During the roundtable discussion this morning on “Meet The Press” Tim Russert posts the results of two recent polls which show an overwhelming number of Hispanics identify themselves as Democrats As NBC Political News Director Chuck Todd points out, the Republican’s stance on immigration could have an enormous impact on the Hispanic vote in 2008, especially in Florida.
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Todd: “….No Bushes are going to be on the ballot in 2008. That’s probably going to flip New Mexico back to the Democrats and then you’ve got Florida. And that’s is where this thing could really, really hurt the Republicans, because if they lose Florida, there is no path - there is no Electoral College path to winning the White House.”
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If Republicans were somehow able to get Pennsylvania (Giuliani), it could make a Democratic Florida win less important, but I don’t think Giuliani would carry it, even against Hillary.
Is it wrong to giggle? cuz that video made me giggle.
Todd: “….No Bushes are going to be on the ballot in 2008. That’s probably going to flip New Mexico back to the Democrats and then you’ve got Florida. And that’s is where this thing could really, really hurt the Republicans, because if they lose Florida, there is no path - there is no Electoral College path to winning the White House.â€
THAT is why there will be NO ELECTION IN 2008.
The fact of the matter is that the Hispanic community should have never trusted the Republicans to begin with.
I think they might have been caught up in the anti gay movement of the right wingers.
Jack Jett
viva Mexico…
They are coming to help us throw bushes out…
Must the MSM always hire Frank Luntz types to prepare their on-screen graphics? Its name is not the DEMOCRAT party, it is the DEMOCRATIC party. Sheesh!
I’m with L AND P. I think they’re going to stage a coup. Hell, they’re already halfway there.
im sorry, but i cant believe that illegal immigration is the overriding force in why hispanics are not voting repug
there are so many other issues
DITTO.
Bush, Cheney & Rove have plans to suspend the elections in ‘08. You think Cheney and Rove are stupid enough to spend 8 years grabbing dictatorial powers only to hand them over peacefully, possibly a Democrat?
No way Jose.
If you think he’s going to allow this election to actually follow thru, you’re most likely without logic.
Don’t you guys all know that polls are B.S.?
You can get hard-right Christians to admit to Devil worship if you word the questions right…
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Remember, too, that while they are trying to get this Orwellian immigration bill passed, they are also gearing up to force national ID cards on all of us.
The goal now should be to give the undocumented hispanics the right to vote in Presidential elections. Since they are here, they should have that constitutional right. This will make sure there will be no more Bush and Cheney types ever getting elected again.
And if we can finally merge Mexico back with the USA, the GOP will be finished forever!!! We need to work toward this.
Why do Republicans hate Hispanics?
These conspiracy theories are laughable!! A coup?!
With what army? Even if the generals back the Prez, I can guarantee you that your average soldier ain’t gonna stand by and watch a coup take place, whether its his own party staging it or not.
It’d only sink the country more into mass chaos that anything else. Too many people own guns in America. It’s precisely why we have a 2nd Amendment.
Ain’t. Gonna. Happen.
You all better start trying to fix the election system if you ever want to win another presidential.
The electronic machines are owned by partisan GOP entities who’s CEO’s have been quoted promising the election of 2004 to Bush.
Paper ballots - Hand counted.
Cheaper, easier, more secure.
People should count, not machines.
And why do Republicans hate Mexico so much that they will not give Mexico the opportunity to become part of the USA.
Dave M @ 16:
Ever heard of Blackwater?
Good try.
Bic @ 19:
Ever heard of Blackwater?
Good try.
Nice job avoiding the fact that millions of Americans still own guns and wouldn’t stand for it.
Good try, yourself.
Dave M @ 21:
Nice job avoiding the fact that millions of Americans still own guns and wouldn’t stand for it.
Good try, yourself.
I’m thankfull for the 2nd Amendment, but have you ever had a gun fight with a team of elite 21st century warriors toting automatic rifles and night scopes?
Get back in your time machine, change the date from 1812 to 2007 and let’s talk.
Dave M @ 16:
I agree, “No way Jose” …just some of those “out there” who apparently believe that
this country can be taken over and run by bush/cheney w/o knowing or wanting to
acknowldge such “take over” is as unlikely as it is that GWB be relected again. The
renewing by bush of the “War Powers Act” is no different than that done by Clinton
and his predecessors.
graybo @ 18:
Why do Democrats hate Americans so much they will not give America the opportunity to become part of Mexico.
Todd: “….No Bushes are going to be on the ballot in 2008. That’s probably going to flip New Mexico back to the Democrats and then you’ve got Florida. And that’s is where this thing could really, really hurt the Republicans, because if they lose Florida, there is no path - there is no Electoral College path to winning the White House.â€
Especially if they nominate Fred Thompson, who said immigrants from Cuba are likely terrorists.
Gary @ 24:
Most of us, I believe, would prefer to become a part of Canada…they at least speak
our language
Proposition 187 in California was passed with support of Latino voters.
http://209.85.165.104/search?q.....&gl=us
“Latino National Political Survey data revealing panethnic perspectives on a variety of political issues, 75.2% of Mexican Americans interviewed agreed that there were “too many immigrants.” In fact, the percentage of Mexican Americans agreeing that there were too many immigrants was higher than that of Anglos (73.8% )”
“Those Chicanos who competed with illegals for housing, who received low wages and who lacked job security were those who perceived a threat from continued flow of illegal immigrants. The Rodriguez-Nuñez study also found that perceptions of illegals changed among community members with higher socio-economic status: better educated, middle-class Chicano professionals and business owners not only perceived no job threat, but were often most sympathetic to the plight of illegal immigrants and were among those who campaigned against human rights abuses and provided immigration counsel to illegals.”
Professionals who hired Illegals to do yard work, maids, etc. also supported them in the election.
Bush Bites @ 25:
Freddie Boy did back off of that statment, but that is the ONLY thing I can recall
that he has done correctly…
Doggiebobo @ 28:
Ha! Too bad. He said it and he’s going to live with it.
I would agree that we need to tear down our artificial borders and barriers and all be together as North Americans. Then we won’t have any problem with illegal or undocumented immigrants. We should all be together and the GOP is wrong trying to preserve these phony borders. (Bush’s support for the amnesty bill was nothing but a fake-out, to pretend Republicans wanted comprehensive immigration reform.)
Doggiebobo @ 26:
Unless you move to the French speaking Eastern provinces.
While the perpetual tug-a-war between party A and B is always a goodly time to sit back and sip a cold one too (Even if said tug-a-war is, at present, simply a dubious poll a year prior to the event), I rather hope to see those independent numbers go a bit higher.
Furthermore, these armed coup theories are epic enough to -almost- justify coming in to work on a Sunday.
graybo @ 30:
This is no jest. Taking down the phony borders will help the whole continent.
Moreover, the new Representatives in Washington coming from the Mexican states would likely by Democrats. So, it’s a win-win situation.
Donaldd @ 31:
They’re just kidding themselves. I’ve never had trouble speaking English in Quebec.
Which is why this whole “national language” stuff is idiotic anyway.
Wingnuts: English will not be swept away by Spanish–trust me on this one.
Donaldd @ 31:
I could make that work inasmuch as the Eastern provinces of Canada have in place
a “universal health care plan” soooooooo much superior to what “we” have…one that
is French orienanted and provides the care for ALL citizens.
Bic @ 22:
You are still operating on an awful lot of assumptions.
1) Blackwater leadership goes along with this.
2) Blackwater employees go along with this.
3) Flag Officer military leadership lets it happen.
4) FGO-level military leadership lets it happen.
5) CGO-level military leadership lets it happen.
6) The enlisted force lets it happen.
7) Congress twiddles their thumbs while it happens.
8) The American people let it happen.
Were this to happen, Congress would most likely impeach and convict Bush/Cheney at near unanimity (any GOP obstructionists would never be re-elected, so I doubt they’d vote against it). Pelosi would then be Prez, and then she’d tell the U.S. military to go route the insurrectionists.
So, like I said: Ain’t. Gonna. Happen.
That amnesty bill that some self described “Liberals” are so fond of required all illegals to go BACK to MEXICO, pay a $5000 fine and then come back under a work visa under low wages, no insurance, retirement opportunity, or job security.
Oh yea, Liberals should be ALL over that.
I’ve got a few tips for you “Liberals” that support this bill.
1. Do your own laundry and dishes.
2. Mow your own lawn.
3. etc…
Stop supporting the continued drive toward creating a permanent underclass in this country just so you Lexus Liberals can have your criminally-cheap labor.
Dave M @ 38:
You would have to agree that we are BOTH operating on a number of assumptions, but Congress would most likely IMPEACH? LOL
But I wonder why Haliburton’s KBR is building detention centers?
I don’t buy into this idea that the Hispanics will be a big factor for dems in FL. The majority of them are Cuban - Americans and JFK sold them out over the The Bay of Pigs and clinton sent Elian Gonzalez back. Its because of their strong memories and big mouths we still have a dumbass embargo against Cuba. I just don’t see them changing sides.
Bic @ 41:
Yeah, but my chain of assumptions is a lot more rigid and less likely to happen than the one you believe. I still think you are being paranoid.
And yes, Congress would impeach. Not because they’d find the backbone to, but because the American people would demand it. Congress’d cave to the angry, gun-toting public. And that’s only because there are more of us than them.
Public + Military >>>>>> Blackwater in sheer numbers.
Remember of course when counting the votes to allow a 22% margin for votes stolen by the Republican party and if all else fails the Supreme Court can just appoint another disaster…I mean President.
But I wonder why Haliburton’s KBR is building detention centers?
I am not saying that Detention Centers “were” not being built at one time. When googling
this subject matter, the most recent articles I found were dated Jan. thur April of 2006,
so considerable more than a year ago is the most recent info I found. Of course IF such
is continuing, it would not be of a great surprise to me that the MSM is failing to report
and/or cover such construction of detention centers….it’s just that I have seen nothing
is last 18 or so months in the newsprint or other media indicating they were being built
and/or for what purpose those already built was intended….Just saying….
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GDliberal @ 41:
Most recent census info indicates following for Florida:
65 percent White
17 prcent Hispanic/Latino
15 percent Black
3 percent Other
So, I concur, the likelihood of Hispanic/Latino/Cuban-American vote in any of the near
future General Elections will be “nil”
Who cares which political party Hispanics identify themselves? If any non-white group overwhelmingly identitfy with one party over the other, then I hope they are doing it because that party best represents them and not because they’re rebelling over ONE issue. Faith-based voters love to vote against their best interests just over the abortion issue. It doesn’t matter that Republicans are pro-death penalty. It doesn’t matter that Republicans are ALWAYS pro-war. It doesn’t matter that Republicans don’t believe in helping the lessor among us but believe they should help themselves. On every issue, except abortion, the Republican party stands against the core beliefs and practices of any religion. Yet, the faith-based crowd takes the abortion issue and side with the Republicans overwhelmingly over it.
If the growing Hispanic population is going to look at the border issue and say “Democrats = Good, Repubicans = Bad” then they are making the same mistake. What makes government works is when no politician can take the voter for granted. Just like every great company doesn’t take their loyal customers for granted. PLEASE stopping making up your mind about which party or politician you’re going to vote for until you hear all of the viewpoints of all of the candidates on each issue.
Vote with your brain and not your heart!