The American Research Group recently conducted a survey that 54% of those surveyed supported the impeachment of Dick Cheney. My first reaction was “Why so low?” Having some personal experience with surveys, I’d like to see exactly how the framed that particular question (and what other questions were surrounding it) to get an idea of why exactly someone with an approval rating at or nearing the single digits–of whom a majority believe he may have committed illegal acts–would not merit at least an investigation of articles of impeachment in a larger majority of those surveyed.
I tell you, it’s a concept that needs more consideration. As I said a couple of days ago, I was slow to join the impeachment bandwagon. But the idea of starting with Cheney certainly has a logic and appeal to it on many levels. Robert Greenwald and Brave New Films has a new ad out supporting Dennis Kucinich’s HR 333.
You can sign the petition to ask Congress to consider HR 333 here.
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it’s official we have a majority.
We need to hit them hard and hit them NOW!
Vote people this may be our one chance to bring down Cheney.
Yeah, it took me a while to jump the impeachment divide, but trying it on cheney makes a whole lot of sense. I do believe that all the evilness in this administration leads back to him so it would make sense that he should go. Bush would throw a fit, but who cares? He throws a fit about anything that goes against his childish ideas.
You could take that one statement where he says there was no doubt that Saddam had wmd, and get him on that alone. There sure as hell was doubt in the CIA but he chose to ignore it.
Why doesn’t Cheney and crew just take Olbermann’s advice and resign?????
Cheney isn’t going anywhere. When when people realize Chimpy’s White House doesn’t give two shits what the public thinks??? They laugh this off….it means nothing.
Who do you think is going to initiate such an action??? Obviously, no one from the GOP. Not Nancy “Impeachment is off the table” Pelosi. Not any of the other spineless Dems. God forbid they take a step and risk being labeled as (GASP!)…a liberal.
This is a dead-end. Chimpy and Cheney are in power until January 2009. Deal with it.
One thing I’m not clear on, and this is *not* flamebait, but an honest question. I thought Saddam *had* used a chemical weapon on the kurds (mustard gas?) at one, or more, points. Does that not qualify as a weapon of mass descruction? I want to be clear, as it would seem to be one valid point. This is not excusing the manufacture of intelligence, but I do not think it can just be ignored. Anyone have any links to more information or stories with validity?
JS — When the inspectors went to Iraq before this current war, their sole purpose was to see if Iraq was making or storing any usable WMD. They found none. They wanted more time to be absolutely sure, but they had found none when we decided to attack. There are quite a few countries that have produced or used chemical weapons at some point in their history, this is not a reason to attack them. There needs to be compelling evidence that it is current and an immediate threat. That was not the case with Iraq.
BTW - We supplied Saddam with most of his weapons when he was fighting Iran - So if there is anyone to really blame for Saddam coming to power — It would be us.
I hope you realize that your link on the topic of Cheney’s approval rating is a joke.
Cheney is not well liked, but I’m fairly sure he still has a higher approval rating than most serial killers. (Not to mention Yanni)
JS, I’m sorry I can’t find the link right now but Robert Bear (I hope I spelled it correctly) was an ex CIA guy and he had an article on the web explaining how if Saddam did have any of those weapons left now, they would have deteriorated and be unusable. Also the weapons inspectors had found nothing there. There just wasn’t any current info to back up what cheney, et al, were saying. Bush was saying that Saddam had to prove he didn’t have the weapons (which is asking someone to prove a negative). When the story came out about the yellow cake that wasn’t, that seemed all the proof I needed that there was no wmd. If they had to lie to make their case and they used that even after they knew it wasn’t true, then that must have been their best evidence. Just not enough facts to take our country into a ill thought out war.
Anyone know Condi Rice a Roni is doing…..? Haven’t heard any optimistic junk from her about mid east peace lately. Or is she quietly under investigation too?
“My first reaction was “Why so low?”
My first reaction (in response) is to say: “Because congressional democrats- with too few notable exceptions- lack a fundamental integrity”.
Were they to rise to their oaths and duty, people who have heretofore sat in darkness would be led to see a great light.
Paul, Condi was in Maine with her husband, oops strike that, her president and Putin. I saw her interviewed today on the NBC cable channel that shows the stock market actions all day long. Saw her face and changed the channel.
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Would the impeachment proceedings include the extraction of his hand from W?
Well the problem with *not* starting with Bush is that Bush will do for Cheney what he did for Scooter. I’m sorry, but The Shrub has already set precedent that he will not let any of his cronies go down. So, I say start at the top. You don’t blame the ensign for running into the underwater object you blame the captain of the ship because it’s his boat! The Shrub is the President, and I’m sorry, “I didn’t know this was going on” is NOT an acceptable answer or the leader of the free world to respond with.
Speaker Pelosi, I think it’s time you cleared a bit of space on that table.
Impeach, then imprison. There can be no greater crime than leading a nation to war on a pack of lies.
Wouldn’t Gonzo have to be involved in this at some point? Should that be the case, it’s dead before it begins. Of course with Gonzo’s memory problem, he might not be as big a problem after all.
Yes please do before he gets Putin and everyone else seriously pissed off at us.
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My first reaction was “Why so low?
When we realize how bad the EXTREME RIGHT WING MAIN STREAM MEDIA (ERWMSM) is, we also have to know that the poles are manipulated too.
It’s because Americans think that Impeachments are for blow jobs and are wondering what all the hubbub is about.
It is about time. The time to consider has past the time to do is now. Grip and rip it, after all what does one have to do to get impeached?
ticktock @ 5:
Because Hell doesn’t have Cable.
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Paul Suriano@11 Says
Anyone know Condi Rice a Roni is doing…..?…Or is she quietly under investigation too?
Countess Condi only comes out of her coffin for sex with Bushula.
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PNAAC Minister@15 Says:
Would the impeachment proceedings include the extraction of his hand from W?
Yes, but he can still use his ventriloquist talents.
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I remember when this movie was on Prime Time Television and it actually moved the country to stop and think about things and there was a big debate going on across the country.
Now days it’s “Wow-Neat-Cool” or “Turn Iraq into glass”" or “hahahaha that vaporizing scene was bad man!”
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JS, this is what I understand. The US encouraged the Iraqi war against Iran. We incuraged the Saudis and others to fund the war (lone money to Sadham) and we even supplied intelligence to one side and then the other (we didn’t really want Iraq to win the war, just bleed Iran). When Iran recovered from the surprise attack and mobilized a counter attack, Iraq was near collapse. The US and others allowed Sadham to get the WMD to defend against the very aggressive Iranian attacks. No outrage was shown when he used WMD on Iran. Iran encouraged the Kurds to rise up and revolt at this time. Sadham’s military was stretched very thin and could ilafford to deploy divisions to put down the revolt. So he did pretty much what we did in the second World War. We nuked 2 of Japan’s cities to demonstrate the futility of their resistance against brutal weapons they could not defend against. He did the same, and the revolt was crushed. Again, no outcry from the current US administration.
“Vote people this may be our one chance to bring down Cheney.”
You are going to need a lot more than nine backers for Kucinich’s bill.
“This is a dead-end. Chimpy and Cheney are in power until January 2009.”
This is not a dead-end, this is DEFEATISM.
Just because we can’t impeach either of these two bastards doesn’t mean they are going to finish their terms. INDICTMENTS will drive them from power, if we can pressure them enough, and if we can get Gonzales and the bastard crony in the 2nd Circuit to resign.
Defeatists are trying to handle their own stress — it’s understandable. Plenty of people want either a magical solution, or the dubious (and lazy) contentment of total pessimism.
Instead, we will continue our effort to remove the Exec by indictment, scandal, political pressure, and piece-by-piece removal of cronies, of which 20 are already gone. Continue to support the Dem Chairpersons who are recording evidence of these crimes.
PNAAC Minister: It has been conclusively proven that Bush is not, I repeat, not Cheney’s ventriloquist dummy.
The chief piece of evidence is that ventriloquists’ dummies actually occasionally argue with the ventriloquist.
We should not only impeach Cheney then Bush, but Prosecute them for high crimes. What would be the lesson otherwise for all the lost blood and treasure? They walk?
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former Republican
I thought Saddam *had* used a chemical weapon on the kurds (mustard gas?) at one
These were weapons that the U.S. sold Iraq so they could use them on Iran. The big question was, did the Iraqis actually have a program that was manufacturing these on their own? Evidently, they didn’t. The chemical weapons they found after the invasion that were sold by us had already deteriorated to the point of being ineffective. Several agencies as well as U.N. inspectors warned the Bush administration that the Iraqis did not have these capabilities.
The whole “Iraq has weapons of mass destruction” story was a sham and a pretext to declare war. Why? Control a big chunk of the oil rich Middle East. To keep oil prices down? No, to keep them up. With Iraq in the their pocket, Cheney et al. can now manipulate supply and demand. Throttle it back. It is that simple. Sell less product for more money.
OPEC and Cheney: sucking the money right out of your pockets.
Paul in LA @ 28:
This is not defeatism….this is realism.
Once again, who will bring forth this kind of action???
As I mentioned earlier, the evil GOP will not and the worthless Dems cannot. Who does that leave???
You have Chimp/Cheney until January 2009. That’s a fact. A sad, miserable fact…but still a fact.
“we even supplied intelligence to one side and then the other” — dropkick
When did we share intelligence with Iran?
Iran recovered from the surprise attack and mobilized a counter attack, Iraq was near collapse. The US and others allowed Sadham to get the WMD to defend against the very aggressive Iranian attacks.”
Allowed? Hussein was well within his power to buy the dual-use materials from as many as ten foreign powers, as he did.
“No outrage was shown when he used WMD on Iran.”
What do you mean by ‘outrage.’ Do you mean by the Reagan gov’t?
“Iran encouraged the Kurds to rise up and revolt at this time.”
Where is your evidence of that (a Kurd revolt)?
“Sadham’s military was stretched very thin and could ilafford to deploy divisions to put down the revolt. So he did pretty much what we did in the second World War.”
Where is the example from WWII of the use by US forces of chemical weapons on non-combatants?
“We nuked 2 of Japan’s cities to demonstrate the futility of their resistance against brutal weapons they could not defend against.”
The circumstances are NOT at all comparable.
“He did the same, and the revolt was crushed. Again, no outcry from the current US administration.”
I presume you mean the Reagan/Bush administrations, and ‘contemporary’ not ‘current.’
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“This is not defeatism….this is realism….You have Chimp/Cheney until January 2009. That’s a fact. A sad, miserable fact…but still a fact.
Like I said, DEFEATISM.
Facts are in play.
Paul in LA @ 35:
Well, you must have A LOT more faith in the Dems than I do. What have you seen from them that suggests they have the stones to fight Chimpy & Cheney???
I’ve seen a lot of empty words and non-action. I expect more of the same.
We’ve seen what happens when the roles are reversed. The GOP plays dirty…and they play to win. If you don’t like it…too bad. The Dems are scared little children who are incapable of confronting this Republican White House. They are as weak as the GOP makes them out to be.
Believe me, I don’t like it at all. But my name says it all…The Truth Hurts.
I’m voting for Dennis and with my $$$ too. all these others are just playing games. Kucinich is the one that America needs if Gore and Dean are out.
Forget the Leadership.
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“I thought Saddam *had* used a chemical weapon on the kurds (mustard gas?) at one”
Hussein depopulated over 1,000 Kurd villages, using bulldozers. He dropped Sarin, mustard gas, VX, and other agents on the Kurd villagers, and then machine gunned them when they came running out of the villages. Surviving men were trucked away and never seen again.
“These were weapons that the U.S. sold Iraq so they could use them on Iran.”
The US sold no chemical weapons to Iraq.
“The big question was, did the Iraqis actually have a program that was manufacturing these on their own? Evidently, they didn’t.”
The biggest pile of nonsense yet. OF COURSE THEY DID. Hussein manufactured VAST quantities of chemical weapons.
“The chemical weapons they found after the invasion that were sold by us”–skyreader
False. …that Hussein manufactured in his several plants.
There is also plenty of evidence of Hussein’s manufacture of biological weapons, uncovered by UNMOVIC.
I agree with Paul in LA. This country has quite literally come undone. People of conscience DO feel defeated because the pace at which these criminals in our government are being held accountable is glacial at best.
How do we keep the faith in a world where NOTHING seems to be on the up and up?
At a bare bones minimum… As a basic starting point.. Ultimately a small 6 by 10 room with bars at one end and very little sunlight is where this ratfuck belongs……….Til the day he dies…JD
“Well, you must have A LOT more faith in the Dems than I do.”
And in the legal system, and in the Constitution, and in democracy, and in the collapse of coups…
“What have you seen from them that suggests they have the stones to fight Chimpy & Cheney??? ”
You apparently have missed the fact that we narrowly missed indicting Cheney, that we nearly imprisoned Cheney’s chief of staff, that Rove is caught up in the caging and vote-fraud scandal (that will lead to indictments), that 20 cronies have been forced to resign, including 7 in the Department of Justice, that large amounts of fraud and conspiracy evidence has been documented.
“I’ve seen a lot of empty words and non-action. I expect more of the same.”
Your characterizations are uniformed, and you expect more of the same justifications for your defeatism.
Just how LAZY are you?
Yes, he did use chemical weapons (not mustard gas). But that was well before the first Gulf War. By the time of the run-up to this war his existing chemical weapons had deteriorated to uselessness, and the UN inspectors had verified that he neither had nor was acquiring new WMDs of any kind. Exposing that the nuke thing was a total fabrication was the reason Cheney–with Libby as cat’s paw–outed Plame as an undercover CIA agent.
wbm @ 16:
Even if this assertion were right, it wouldn’t obviate the value of making Bush go on public record for having done it. But in fact it isn’t right. The President cannot override the Congress on impeachment.
Impeaching Cheney at this moment is a bad idea. The predictable cries of Revenge impeachment, Political straw-grasping etc. would have enough resonance to carry the news cycles.
A fresh angle with more media resonance is needed, and MoveOn has it right:
Step One: Subpoena Cheney.
Step Two: Wait for him to tell Congress “Go F**k yourself!”
Step Three: