Throw Gonzo to the sharks! frist

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It’s a sad day when the spooks (CIA, FBI, NSA, etc.) look more honest than the Presidential Administration.

I don’t believe in torture. It’s cruel and inhuman.

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The truth is such a messy business - it eventually leaks out leaves very unsightly marks on those that tried to keep it bottled up.

Liberal AND Proud @ 4:

I don’t believe in torture. It’s cruel and inhuman.

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Gonzales’ memory is so bad, he claims he doesn’t even remember committing perjury.

Blue Buddha @ 3:

It’s a sad day when the spooks (CIA, FBI, NSA, etc.) look more honest than the Presidential Administration.

Ain’t that the truth?

Never would have thought I’d see it. But then, never would have believed half the people in this country would have voted for Dubya, either.

I can’t comment on my no comment, but let me say this…

HillCountryGal Says:
never would have believed half the people in this country would have voted for Dubya, either.

We’re not 100% sure that they actually did.

Er, If it um… walks like um… a duck, swims um… like a duck er… and quacks um… like a duck, um, er… then it um… IS A DUCK.

HillCountryGal @ 8:

Never would have thought I’d see it. But then, never would have believed half the people in this country would have voted for Dubya, either.

I still don’t believe it.

Listen to what Gozo said:
“it was not about the survailance program THAT THE PRESIDENT PRESENTED TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE (emphasis added, he did not yell).

this is the line that this slippery bastard will use to wiggle out of this.

What’s amazing is that these are the people who have all our lives in their hands, and they are playing deadly games with it.

Do you get the uncomfortable feeling that this is just the miniscule, ice-cube sized tip of a vast, continent sized iceberg?

Who among the public could possibly know what these corrupt fanatics have been up to, with their black budgets and the total lack of accountability they enjoy?

LEGAL EXPERTS: GONZALES GUILTY OF ‘TUI’ — TESTIFYING UNDER THE INFLUENCE

HillCountryGal @ 8:

Blue Buddha @ 3:
Never would have thought I’d see it. But then, never would have believed half the people in this country would have voted for Dubya, either.

I’m not trying to be snide, but do you really believe this, or are you a right-winger just planting this stuff here?

Robert Kennedy and others made it abundantly clear that the elections were rigged, flipped, stolen. So I don’t understand it when people still say that half the country voted for Bush.

On the original topic, the web of lies and crimes that has been woven over the years is going to get the spiders all tangled up in their own spin.

Just Me @ 17:

HillCountryGal @ 8:

Blue Buddha @ 3:
Never would have thought I’d see it. But then, never would have believed half the people in this country would have voted for Dubya, either.

I’m not trying to be snide, but do you really believe this, or are you a right-winger just planting this stuff here?

Robert Kennedy and others made it abundantly clear that the elections were rigged, flipped, stolen. So I don’t understand it when people still say that half the country voted for Bush.

On the original topic, the web of lies and crimes that has been woven over the years is going to get the spiders all tangled up in their own spin.

Me, a right winger? You’re joking, right? Ask anyone who’s a longtime poster here if I’m a right winger.

You can call me any vile names you choose to, but NEVER call me a winger, a repuke, or a fundie.

You should have heard Tony Snow trying to spin Mueller’s words today. It was almost funny.
I got this email and thought I should share with anyone interested
“Tonight (Friday July 27): Catch Greg Palast on PBS’ top current affairs program.
‘NOW’ furthers the story Palast first busted open for Britain’s BBC Newsnight, the scheme to attack voters of color - the ‘Blue’ ones.
For Bill Moyers’ capable successor, David Brancaccio, Palast lays out the latest evidence never before televised.”

This show should be good!
8:30pm Eastern (on New York Thirteen). Check local listings.

You people are sooooo “not understanding” of what Gonzo was talking about.
Gonzo, in his testimony before the Judiciary Committee, was talking about “another
NSA program and not the specific warrantless wire tapping(TSP) program.” Well,
at least this is the snowjob Press Sec. Snowjob gave the capital press corp this
morning during his BS explanation. To me it sounded like just a bunch of garbble
goop.

Annoyed Canuck @ 15:

Do you get the uncomfortable feeling that this is just the miniscule, ice-cube sized tip of a vast, continent sized iceberg?

Who among the public could possibly know what these corrupt fanatics have been up to, with their black budgets and the total lack of accountability they enjoy?

No need to worry about that with Global Warming.

I say we bury them in a mound of lemon-lime Jello with peppermint sticks shoved up their aperatures.

Oops, the part of about “this should be good” was not a part of the quote, it should have been below it. It’s my own opinion.

[Fixed it-Sitemonitor]

Just Me @ 17:

HillCountryGal @ 8:

Blue Buddha @ 3:
Never would have thought I’d see it. But then, never would have believed half the people in this country would have voted for Dubya, either.

I’m not trying to be snide, but do you really believe this, or are you a right-winger just planting this stuff here?

Robert Kennedy and others made it abundantly clear that the elections were rigged, flipped, stolen. So I don’t understand it when people still say that half the country voted for Bush.

On the original topic, the web of lies and crimes that has been woven over the years is going to get the spiders all tangled up in their own spin.

As a matter of fact, I’m printing your comment at my place.

:)

HillCountryGal @ 18:

Just Me @ 17:

HillCountryGal @ 8:

Blue Buddha @ 3:
Never would have thought I’d see it. But then, never would have believed half the people in this country would have voted for Dubya, either.

I’m not trying to be snide, but do you really believe this, or are you a right-winger just planting this stuff here?

Robert Kennedy and others made it abundantly clear that the elections were rigged, flipped, stolen. So I don’t understand it when people still say that half the country voted for Bush.

On the original topic, the web of lies and crimes that has been woven over the years is going to get the spiders all tangled up in their own spin.

I always hated Winger too.

Me, a right winger? You’re joking, right? Ask anyone who’s a longtime poster here if I’m a right winger.

You can call me any vile names you choose to, but NEVER call me a winger, a repuke, or a fundie.

Don Davis @ 16:

LEGAL EXPERTS: GONZALES GUILTY OF ‘TUI’ — TESTIFYING UNDER THE INFLUENCE

I thought it was TWI…Testifying While Influenced

My opinion on Winger should’ve been at the end of the threads.

When bloggers meet do they ask each other, “Dig these threads, man!”

and what are the biggest stories of the hour?

drunk astronauts

lindsay lohan

Economy best GDP but dow is plummeting

What the fuck, america is not asleep, corporate media has a blanket of garbage covering them, they have computers but are too busy seeing how many friends they have on myspace. most have cable but they would rather watch “who wants to be the next piece of shit idol” instead of cspan or cnn2. the only outlet for real mainstream happenings are colbert report and daily show, but the “NEWS” calls these show “fake” news. i dont want crazy pills anymore mom…………………………………

Liberal AND Proud @ 25:

Don Davis @ 16:

LEGAL EXPERTS: GONZALES GUILTY OF ‘TUI’ — TESTIFYING UNDER THE INFLUENCE

I thought it was TWI…Testifying While Influenced

Different states, different terminology.

conservNOT -

Don’t forget this one:

Nicole Richie to spend 90 hours in jail

Now THAT’S big news.

So is Mueller throwing Gonzo under the bus while still abiding by Bush’s wishes? Or is he just trying to cover his own ass when the indictments start rolling in?
hmmmm

conservNOT @ 27:

and what are the biggest stories of the hour?

drunk astronauts

lindsay lohan

Economy best GDP but dow is plummeting

What the fuck, america is not asleep, corporate media has a blanket of garbage covering them, they have computers but are too busy seeing how many friends they have on myspace. most have cable but they would rather watch “who wants to be the next piece of shit idol” instead of cspan or cnn2. the only outlet for real mainstream happenings are colbert report and daily show, but the “NEWS” calls these show “fake” news. i dont want crazy pills anymore mom…………………………………

Or how about the breaking news headline :”Scientist unearth jawbone of giant wombat
in Australia”??

So is Gonzo going to investigate himself?

“when in doubt say I don’t recall or recuse yourself”-Cheney to Gonzo

To be honest: When I saw the videos, I thought Mueller´s answers smelled a bit fishy. He never really answered straightforward, he didn´t use the term warrentless wiretapping nor did he talk about TSP. Instead he spoke about “a NSA program”. Whilst ending his answers with a seemingly explicit “Yes”, I´m really suspicious he might have opened a door for Gonzales to slip through smootly, especially in light of this one week Gonzales was presented with by Leahy, to correct his testimony.

But, the non native English speaker I am, I might have got something wrong.

L.A. Confidential @ 32:

So is Gonzo going to investigate himself?

Will Gonzo investigate himself set to this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DONbY9wd6vU

So the courts find Bush’s action in his domestic spying program unconstitutional. Bush ignores the court ruling and proceeds. The court does nothing.

Like I explained in an earlier post, Mr. Mueller’s answers to the questions meant this: There are several different programs at issue, there may be some wiggle room for Gonzo in the fact that the “program” that Gonzo claims the President acknowledged may not be the same “program” that everyone is asking him about. However, by tacking “yes” to the end of each of his slightly squiggly answers, he was basically signalling his disagreement with the Alberto’s parsing of the issue. So he’s basically saying that while there are several different programs (call it TSP, Wireless Wiretapping, or international eavesdropping), Gonzo knows full well his answers were very deceptive, and anything but the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

Sorry, should read “slip through smoothly”

SickandTired @ 37:

Like I explained in an earlier post, Mr. Mueller’s answers to the questions meant this: There are several different programs at issue, there may be some wiggle room for Gonzo in the fact that the “program” that Gonzo claims the President acknowledged may not be the same “program” that everyone is asking him about. However, by tacking “yes” to the end of each of his slightly squiggly answers, he was basically signalling his disagreement with the Alberto’s parsing of the issue. So he’s basically saying that while there are several different programs (call it TSP, Wireless Wiretapping, or international eavesdropping), Gonzo knows full well his answers were very deceptive, and anything but the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

I hope you´re right, SaT

the 4th Reich is rising @ 34:

To be honest: When I saw the videos, I thought Mueller´s answers smelled a bit fishy. He never really answered straightforward, he didn´t use the term warrentless wiretapping nor did he talk about TSP. Instead he spoke about “a NSA program”. Whilst ending his answers with a seemingly explicit “Yes”, I´m really suspicious he might have opened a door for Gonzales to slip through smootly, especially in light of this one week Gonzales was presented with by Leahy, to correct his testimony.

But, the non native English speaker I am, I might have got something
wrong.

Nope, you have hit the nail on the head precisely. The lacking clarity is exactly what
Snowjob was referring to this morning when he gave his little “canned” explanation of
how both Gonzo and Muller were “on the same page” and there was no conflicting testimony.
Unfortunately, I suspect Gonzo’s rather pathetic and wandering statement WILL be accepted
the the Judiciary Committee and they will agree that he did not perjury himself.

Targa @ 30:

So is Mueller throwing Gonzo under the bus while still abiding by Bush’s wishes? Or is he just trying to cover his own ass when the indictments start rolling in?
hmmmm

Perhaps both, Mueller is an ex-prosecutor and knows when to tell the truth. And on that note no matter what anyone has to say about Mueller at least he is making an attempt, so it seems, to tell the truth. How refreshing after listening to the lies from virtually every member of the Dumbya Regime.

The other possibility, which I saw someone else raise somewhere (sorry for crappy attribution) is that Gonzales is treating the surveillance program that existed before his hospital bedside attempt to take advantage of the post-op attorney general as an entirely DIFFERENT program than the one they put in place after they made all the changes the AG/FBI wanted (although it’s the same thing with different safeguards). That’s an alternative option to the idea that the warrantless wiretapping program is broken up into a bunch of component programs, each with their own names, and that President Bush has only “revealed” the one involving tapping of international phone conversations, so that Gonzo can half-truth repeatedly about that program while disclaiming that his answers had anything to do with the rest of it.

SickandTired @ 42:

The other possibility, which I saw someone else raise somewhere (sorry for crappy attribution) is that Gonzales is treating the surveillance program that existed before his hospital bedside attempt to take advantage of the post-op attorney general as an entirely DIFFERENT program than the one they put in place after they made all the changes the AG/FBI wanted (although it’s the same thing with different safeguards). That’s an alternative option to the idea that the warrantless wiretapping program is broken up into a bunch of component programs, each with their own names, and that President Bush has only “revealed” the one involving tapping of international phone conversations, so that Gonzo can half-truth repeatedly about that program while disclaiming that his answers had anything to do with the rest of it.

Yep, makes sense to me; tho I must admit it is treading on very, very thin ice…something
that Gonzo has been doing for well over a year and I supect the Judiciary Committee will
do absolutely nothing(in spite of what “appears” to be conflicting testimony)..Gonzo will
once again walk away with no charges of perjury being brought.

Mueller: “{{cough cough}} read between the lines you bozos, Alberto is lying, get it?”

Doggiebobo @ 40:

the 4th Reich is rising @ 34:

To be honest: When I saw the videos, I thought Mueller´s answers smelled a bit fishy. He never really answered straightforward, he didn´t use the term warrentless wiretapping nor did he talk about TSP. Instead he spoke about “a NSA program”. Whilst ending his answers with a seemingly explicit “Yes”, I´m really suspicious he might have opened a door for Gonzales to slip through smootly, especially in light of this one week Gonzales was presented with by Leahy, to correct his testimony.

But, the non native English speaker I am, I might have got something
wrong.

Nope, you have hit the nail on the head precisely. The lacking clarity is exactly what
Snowjob was referring to this morning when he gave his little “canned” explanation of
how both Gonzo and Muller were “on the same page” and there was no conflicting testimony.
Unfortunately, I suspect Gonzo’s rather pathetic and wandering statement WILL be accepted
the the Judiciary Committee and they will agree that he did not perjury himself.

What about the “Gang of Eight” members saying if it was about some other program they weren’t aware of it and what about the memo from Negropointe saying that the meeting was related to the “TSP”?