The most heated moments from tonight’s AFL-CIO forum came when the topic turned to Senator Barack Obama and his claim for the last debate that he would invade Pakistan to fight terrorism, even without permission from President Pervez Musharraf. Senator Chris Dodd was asked about his critical response to Obama’s statements and reiterates his criticism and things get going from there. Obama stands his ground and jabs Dodd and Clinton for voting for the invasion of Iraq, then turning around and attacking him “for making sure we are on the right battlefield, and not the wrong battlefield in the war against terrorism,” which drew huge applause from the audience.
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Senator Clinton once again attacked Obama on this issue which didn’t go over well with the crowd…
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Fristed
DUDE!!
I have watched the Hillary segment on Obama and Pakistan twice. The boos were not for her. They were either for Olbermann who went to Dodd for a response for for Dodd. I think the audience wanted Obama rather than Dodd to have a chance to respond.
It would be a good clip for you to put up so everyone can judge for themselves.
I couldn’t believe it. Obama misquoted himself in his own defense. I don’t believe he said (in the speech in question) “..work with Musharaff…” or “…continue to give him aid…” That’s disappointing to me. Stick by your guns, Senator. I think the pundits may be right. He’s a not ready for prime time player.
great. so the savour of the free world is another war monger. awesome. how about solving problems rather than blowing things up. when did that EVER solve anything?
TalkLeft @ 3:
Sorry for the typo, that should read: “They were either for Olbermann who went to Dodd for a response or for Dodd.”
Meh, Obama lost me about a month ago. That being said, this mis-quote is understandable, and I think he gained some points with his statement about having a more open discourse concerning foreign policy issues.
yeah, obama just lost my vote.
all three make sense..it comes down to Pakistan w/nukes.If Pakistan falls to radical islamists..I think India..will be watching very closely.That doesn’t mean that the radicals won’t try though…as bad as Musharrif is…we still need him.
The Long Emergency
I think Obama is saying this to show he is not wishy washy on terrrorism….the down side is he is starting to look like a war monger.He should of thought this threw better before he opened his mouth…..not enough experience…maybe in 4 more..but it will be hard to get past this even in 4 years
Obama is saying all the right things, and I think the people will eventually catch up to him and vote him into the White House.
All the liberals who have resorted to “Where’s Osama” to corner Bush and his supporters should be lining up behind Sen. Obama’s quite reasonable stance that we shouldn’t allow our nominal allies to provide safe haven to the very group that attacked us on 9/11. He isn’t threatening Pakistan, he’s telling them to live up to their commitment to fight terrorism.
Please Al!!! Please!!!
The producers of “American Idol” should sue. This is not “debate” but rather bad theater. Unfortunately, it’s the only show in town at the moment. The only consolation is that the Republican version of the show is worse than this one. Why am I so suddenly depressed?
The Countries falling apart and Congress is in “Recess”.
No doubt living it up at the vacation home.
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Anyone see Hillary wink at Dodd after he finished his response? Those who vote for the war together stay together.
“… making sure we are on the right battlefield, and not the wrong battlefield in the war against terrorism,” which drew huge applause from the audience.
More fluff from Obama.
What is the right battlefield? Should this be a movable scene - going from country to country and invading now
and then?
What about confronting what it is that causes people to resort to this sort of violence?
What about confronting our own history? What about talking to people?
Fer all of the polish, that was one very stupid comment by Clinton.
Hillary- We want the truth, the whole truth and nothin’ but the truth!
Our chances of dying or getting severely ill from toxic food are probably greater then getting killed by a terrorist.
My problem with Obama is that his record on the war and war funding is very much obvious. When the time came to defund the war or cut the defense bill he famously said “no one wants to play chicken with our troops”. It is very easy for him to criticize the votes of Hillary and Chris Dodd when he was a state senator. I would have loved to see if he did the same as a member of the US senate. Only a few senators voted against the war authorization and none of them are running for president.
Poor Olby…. He was doing the equivalent of refereeing a fist fight… :( He did well though… :)
Brendan @ 12:
I don’t think so.
Pakistan was the country that allowed us to do what we did in Afganistan - for better or worse.
Everybody knew about Musharraf but he was OK because he was on our side.
Now he has fallen out of favor with the Bushies, and Obama is piling on to show he’s tough.
Obama lost me a long time ago - he reminds me of lieberman with his equivocating and wanting to play both sides of the issue…. kind of like hillary
Obama and Hillary just dont seem to move me. I dont believe Obama meant just to attack pakistan i think he meant if he knew for sure Osama was there he would get him.
L.A. Confidential @ 20:
Regardless, both are extremely low because we are vigilant against the potential threats.
Obama did NOT say he was going to invade Pakistan! he said he’d hit al-qaeda targets in Pakistan if Musharraf doesn’t give permission (which he can’t politically, and never will). please do not join the right wingers in spreading this falsehood!
Plastic poser Obama vs. dead Osama.
The fact that the audience cheered on more war worries me deeply for the collective Karma of America.
Why can’t I see my comments?
[Because you were banned awhile back-Sitemonitor]
Railden @ 23:
Pakistan would not allow us to fly through their airspace.And told the US not to cross their borders.SO…in a very weird kind of way Obama’s right
Pakistan did not allow anything to happen in Afgahnistan.Pakistan can’t,international laws and al that
3-1 pitch, Dodd peers into Clinton for the signal, goes into the wind-up, Obama swings . . .GONE!
This is just pointless and pissy.
Did these tough guys protect the constitution last friday - say it louder - No. So you take anything remotely to do with the use of power that they say to actually mean something?
People, these are pretenders. I will say that Kucinich has taken steps (cheney impeachment) even if the democratic party treats him as if he had a stewie hygiene moment.
The rest are …
Pretenders
Chip @ 26:
I wanna get killed by a jealous husband. When I’m about 85.
L.A. Confidential @ 20:
Yep…..that’s more scary than anything else right now.
Obama was somewhat slippery when restating what he said. His original statement was clearly aimed at Musharraf.
Cowboy Obama is goin’ in if Musharraf doesn’t act the way we want him to. This is pure Bush.
Obama also offered that “the biggest threats to American security right now are in the North-West provinces of Pakistan.”.
I think that statement should be subject to some debate.
Railden @ 36:
Yeah! What about Gay Marriage?
Wow. How sad. It seems the audience, the voters, still want to warmonger. Obama appealed to that & was applauded. Clinton suggested restraint & was booed. Ruthug voter? Democrat voter? there is no difference.
*shrug* it doesn’t seem to matter who occupies the Whitehouse, the American people want blood.
=my depressed 2c
TalkLeft @ 6:
But you didn’t change the headline….
Railden @ 39:
Sorry - I meant C&L didn’t change the headline.
pathetic, simply pathetic (Dem aflcio debate). I happened to catch the Republican debate sunday morning and while I’m no Republican, I’d have to confess they looked considerably better.
BC @ 38:
A third of this country are fascists, although they would get mad if you called them that - they are also ignorant.
Remember the story of Julius Caesars slave who rode behind him whispering in his ear … memento mori … well, Americans dont. Americans just love to be lied to. You are the best. You are number one. You could kick anyones butt. Everyone else is just jealous. And they love hearing that while they work at walmart because the plant was closed and the jobs sent to China and their kid has no healthcare.
Bush is whispering in their ear - ‘remember, you are rapture ready’. That, they remember.
It’ll be interesting to see if the headline does change, because Hillary wasn’t being booed. Railden is correct, they were booing Olberman for going to Dodd instead of Obama after Clinton.
ginger @ 41:
you must have a taste for shit!
Im not sure they were booing Hillary. Context anyone?
I think the audience was the real star here.Listen to the passion of these Americans who have had it up to their eyebrows with this rat fuck of a war.
Beautiful.
It is unfortunate that this media is so misleading about any and everything the people they dislike and refuse to take the corporate money have to say.
I salute all of them that are giving the finger to corporate America, because that is the very problem we now have with these greedy bastards controlling our country today.
We cannot afford to make the same mistakes like that again and shame on us if we do not demand accountability in our election process, as well as the polling data this same media that has lied about any and everything we are now suffering about.
Thank God we have an intelligent individual like Senator Obama, who is clearly able to articulate his point of view in spite of these greedy money grabbing thugs and I hope that American people know they are lying about the polls and demand free and fair polling data so that we are not mislead into yet another election with the wrong person in the job.
It is clear there are people who cannot stand the though of this very intelligent young vibrant black man, that they cannot find the kind of garbage they have looked for sense he announced he was running for the office of President of the United States, so now we are down to misleading and playing with his words, never mind the hundreds and thousands of American people who love support and respect this man, including a very huge group of white Americans all over this country, who simply disagree with their sick counterparts and are hungry for the change in this country that Senator Obama represents and unlike many running for office, it is clear to see the support of this man by the huge numbers of supporters that come to all of his events.
They will never turn the cameras on for all to see all why he has collected more money from $5. denotations then the entire team of candidates, except Senator Clinton who is 2nd to him and these are the ass holes that claim money trumps all.
I guess except when it is a black person that is leading.
I would simply be amidst if I did not mention the lousy treatment Senator Edwards is also getting from this team of right wing media thugs. He is also a very smart savey young man with a wonderful family, especially his wife Elizabeth. I just know they would represent this country well as Senator Dodd, Gov Richardson Congressman Dennis Kuccinich and pretty much all of them would be great in that office.
We need to support all of our candidates against the attacks of this vile media
tyree, are you saying or implying that the Dem afl-cio debate did not look pathetic? Now I’m no Republican, although I’ll probably be accused of being one, by being honest, but did any of you see the GOP debate sunday, and can make a comparison?
[Wow ginger only two posts on C&L and in both of them you feel compelled to mention you are ‘no Republican.’ In my world, it’s called protesting too much-Sitemonitor]
omglawl @ 45:
She’s supported by Murdoch, voted for the war and will continue to take campaign money from large corporations?
Do you need more, because that’s all I can come up with on short notice.
I’m really unimpressed by Obama’s insistence on broadcasting a very unpleasant signal about America’s future foreign in order to score a non-point about how we want to get bin Laden. Of course we want bin Laden. But what seems to be igno