Sorry to do it but….. Frist!!!!!! I’ve seen it on so many comments. Looks fun and IT IS!!! AH ha haha

You’re so childish.

(And darn! you bet me to it…!!)

When The Human Rights Commission was founded, it depended on contributions from all kinds of people, gay and straight. Many of the contributors were afraid that contributions to gay groups could lead to insinuations about the contributors’ sexual orientation. The same thing held true for organizations such as Physicians for Human Rights.

The problem was not the lack of pride in who we were. Lord knows, many of us were out there in the streets screaming we were gay and proud. The problem was that the “gay” label had all kinds of potentially unpleasant ramifications for gays and for people who sympathized with us. It isn’t a statement about us, so much as the bigoted society we live in that many of us couldn’t join or contribute to pro-gay organizations.

“looks fun”??? … no, it looks silly…

anyway… GO RACHEL … very good point there…

Love the Rachel.

Peace protesters cyber-hack UN website

Love this too!!

Of all the people they picked Margaret Carlson to be a moderator. I guess Lorrie Morgan was busy that night

THE QUESTION THE DEMS SHOULD HAVE BEEN ASKED AT THE ‘GAY FORUM’

and another good point from candideinnc…
which is what i had assumed was the loginc behind the name…
i like the bigger umbrella idea…
but maybe i can’t identify as i’m straight…
i do know i’m a big rachel fan!

just one more quick thought…
whenever i heard about this debate, it was always mentioned that it was sponsored by a gay rights advocay group…

i do not listen to or watch mainstream news though… AAR and the nets…
could be a factor… think?

And why were neither Rachel Maddow, Laura Flanders nor David Bender (from AAR’s Ring of Fire) asked to participate in that debate?

Rachel, Laura and David are three rather prominent members of the GLBT community and at least one of them should have been invited to the panel, IMHO.

Rachel, keep up the outstanding work!

Gays have made fantastic state by state inroads re marriage and couple’s rights. State level decisions are much safer and more appropriate.

When I think of human rights I think of human rights as a whole. Hunger, medical care, education, jobs.

The gay community by and large is accepted and we’ve learned repugs are mostly in the closet and deny deny so why bother so much. Sorry I’m not too patient when so much else is crying for attention. dunno, much as I think Rachel is sharp and wonderful, this seems a bit self-indulgent. Sorry.

The whole gay or not too be gay issue is just another cog used to create divisions between peoples different lifestyles, religion, beliefs, culture…this way if the media and public are concentrating on issues such as this and other racism then we are not concentrating on the bigger issues affecting us, such as war, government corruption, lack of work, sky high inflation, etc, etc, etc…just another cog in the racism wheel and we the people fall for it hook line and sinker….instead of just trying to realize people are people irregardless of lifestyle/color or creed.

crazylove @ 11:

Gays have made fantastic state by state inroads re marriage and couple’s rights. State level decisions are much safer and more appropriate.

When I think of human rights I think of human rights as a whole. Hunger, medical care, education, jobs.

The gay community by and large is accepted and we’ve learned repugs are mostly in the closet and deny deny so why bother so much. Sorry I’m not too patient when so much else is crying for attention. dunno, much as I think Rachel is sharp and wonderful, this seems a bit self-indulgent. Sorry.

Hello Hillary is that you ?

No, I’m not Hillary and yes, this is an annoying self-indulgence in times like these.

katy @ 4:

“looks fun”??? … no, it looks silly…

anyway… GO RACHEL … very good point there…

Pawty poopa! ala arni S.

There’s always time for gay rights. Does not have to have a monopoly. But the “there’s so many more important things going on to even think once about that” mindset is kind of responsible for the infrastructure meltdown we’re facing…

what about Bert and Ernie? They are gay, right?

Andre @ 16:

There’s always time for gay rights. Does not have to have a monopoly. But the “there’s so many more important things going on to even think once about that” mindset is kind of responsible for the infrastructure meltdown we’re facing…

Tyranny will come to our country wrapped in a flag. Which is exactly what has happened,

Maybe Carlson is a lesbian. She certainly looks a lot like Jane Hathaway. Maybe she was Thompson’s lesbian fag hag.

Fascinating. I think it would be a good idea to cover the candidate who took the Logo Forum by storm, Dennis Kucinich! In fact, he appeared on ABC’s This Week. I’m surprised that CrooksandLiars has had time to put his appearance up.

Go Dennis!

“When The Human Rights Commission was founded, it depended on contributions from all kinds of people, gay and straight. Many of the contributors were afraid that contributions to gay groups could lead to insinuations about the contributors’ sexual orientation.”

IOW, self-loathing closet cases with money — like David Geffen before he FINALLY came out.

The biggest problem facing the gay community is itself. I say this as a 60 year-old gay man who came out in 1961, joined the Gay Activists Alliance of New York right after the Stonewall riots, and has seen 3/4s of my nearest and dearest die unspeakably painful deaths amidst the almost total indifference of the breeders.

We are taught from childhood that there is something wrong with us. The Church says we’re “immoral,” psychiatry (until rathe recently) says we’re “neurotic,” and our parents say “Shut up!” — unless of course they say nothing at all and simply toss us into the street.

The closet may have fallen apart but its effect remains. Why else are there so many willing to pander to Democrats who will give is
NOTHING ?

Because we hate ourselves so much that we’re in thrall to well-connected straights who won’t attack us physically or throw up in our presence.

I didn’t need these people then and I don’t need them now.

And neither should any other GLBT individual with so much as an OUNCE of self-respect.

Equality in the law is not a mere “self-indulgence,” as has been suggested here. It is a matter of injustice. I suggest that the writers who claim everything is hunky-dory for gays, and that we need to let this matter sink into oblivion look at the court cases which have been fought recently by the Lambda Legal Defense Fund. The issues gays continue to face in this bigoted society are not little matters. They involve job security, housing, adoption, pensions, insurance–all the important matters that many straight people have the luxury of taking for granted.

I believe that the war is the major issue of this campaign, and I don’t want the question of gay marriage to derail the Democrats’ success any more than the rest of you. In the process, though, of winning the election, don’t insult our efforts at achieving equity in this nation. Support for one cause shouldn’t negate support for other causes.

I disagree with her. It is about human rights for everyone. I personally don’t even like using labels. What is true in the United States is that no man or woman, regardless of a self-imposed label, can marry someone of the same sex.

So, this might sound ridiculous, but think about it: no straight man in this country has the right to marry another man. But why would he want to? you might ask. Well the answer is not my business or the government’s. Of course we can almost certainly tell a person’s sex by looking at them, but I think officially speaking, a person’s biological sex should be allowed to be kept private when being married. Of course two people of the same sex should be allowed to be married. But since that hasn’t happened yet, why not make a constitutional argument that a person has a constituional right to the privacy of their biological sex? Forcing the issue of privacy would pave the way for same sex marriages by eliminating forms that ask for the “bride” and “groom’s” name and instead asked only for the names of the two people to be married. Is there any reason that the federal or state governments should need to know our biological sex???????

The closet may have fallen apart but its effect remains. Why else are there so many willing to pander to Democrats who will give is
NOTHING ?

Because we hate ourselves so much that we’re in thrall to well-connected straights who won’t attack us physically or throw up in our presence.

I didn’t need these people then and I don’t need them now.

+++++++

The fact is that for society to progress, for the laws to be changed, for the courts to have different judges, for the sake of a leadership that will argue the justice of our position, we DO need these people. There are good Democrats like Dean and turds like Ford. We have to be selective in who we look to for help. But like it or not, we need the help of the “breeders.” We need the help of Progressives. If we don’t participate in changing the nation we live in, we have no one but ourselves to blame.

Yes, now may be a good time for the Human Rights Commission to change its name and accept the fact that it is a gay organization, like Geffen coming out. We have been living in a time of transition for gay people and the society in which they live. Not everyone has developed at the same rate. Patience is hard when facing the death of your friends and lovers. I know.

You don’t need to be a Rhodes Scholar to understand that if power is going to be wrestled away from the neocon lunatics running this country and if everyone is savvy - the gays will have to keep quiet and the Democrats will have to beef up security on the borders - ON BEHALF OF THE WORKING MEN AND WOMEN of America AND National security…..

These two things will deliver the white house and both houses of congress to the Dems.

if power is going to be wrestled [sic] away from the neocon lunatics running this country and if everyone is savvy - the gays will have to keep quiet and the Democrats will have to beef up security on the borders.

These two things will deliver the white house and both houses of congress to the Dems.

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And furthermore, we can win if we don’t oppose the war and let the blacks continue to live in ghettos, and permit the infrastructure to decay, and the environment go to hell, and everything will be rosy! Gee, it will be just like having Bush as preznit, won’t it? Are you on the DLC?

hmmmmm…rough crowd

“I personally don’t even like using labels.”

Well aren’t YOU special.

And straight.

“You don’t need to be a Rhodes Scholar to understand that if power is going to be wrestled away from the neocon lunatics running this country and if everyone is savvy - the gays will have to keep quiet and the Democrats will have to beef up security on the borders - ON BEHALF OF THE WORKING MEN AND WOMEN of America AND National security…..”

Fuck You and the horse you rode in on!

I’m not shutting up. And neither is any glbt individual with an ounce of self-respect.

candideinnc @ 26:

if power is going to be wrestled [sic] away from the neocon lunatics running this country and if everyone is savvy - the gays will have to keep quiet and the Democrats will have to beef up security on the borders.

These two things will deliver the white house and both houses of congress to the Dems.

**********

And furthermore, we can win if we don’t oppose the war and let the blacks continue to live in ghettos, and permit the infrastructure to decay, and the environment go to hell, and everything will be rosy! Gee, it will be just like having Bush as preznit, won’t it? Are you on the DLC?

No. I’m just being realistic about the chances of some great “Savior” appearing to give everyone in this country what they want on a silver platter.

This nation needs serious government reform before it’s too late. Bickering over gay rights, animal rights, black rights, etc, are exactly what these political scam artists want. To distract you while they slip their hands in your wallet and then sell off all your assets to China.

I honestly fail to see some of her points here. Air America Radio doesn’t have ‘politics’ or ‘left’ or ‘liberal’ or ‘progressive’ in its name either. The name argument doesn’t really fly (!) with me. It seems to me like there’s a lot of other problems with HRC that could be brought up more efficiently.
And then there’s the Fred Thompson ex’s argument: what does a previous relationship has to do with anything? Is he somehow contagious? Is there a point where you are allowed to discriminate on previous relationships but not on sexual orientation? I like her show and usually find it humoristic, but that particular episode remains puzzling to me. Am I missing something here?

sad but true… the hrc is a crock. as a gay man i dont even bother to donate to them; they are a waste of an effort.

Ambigious names are a plague in the gay community. here in uber-liberal berkeley, our gay center is called “Pacific Center for Human Growth”…. which doesn’t have the word gay nor the letters GLBQT or anything. The number one roadblock to gay rights are sabatuers within the gay community, people who just aren’t trying.

20 years ago, the Supreme Court endorsed inequality by saying the crimes against nature laws were legal. Prior to Clinton, the Democratic presidential candidates wouldn’t mention gays, much less endorse their causes. 11 years ago, the candidates would sometimes endorse the concept of gays in the military. This year, all Democratic candidates have endorsed civil unions.

My bet is that in 4 years all the Dems will endorse gay marriage, and the Repugs will come out in favor of civil unions. In eight years gays will not be an issue in presidential politics at all.

But it won’t happen if gays roll over and play dead. You want us to stop being a political issue, help us change the government.

Until we all get it through our thick heads, that we are all equal, nothing will change. Organizations created to secure political rights transform into nothing more than the clones of the government that they pretend to despise and begin stomping on all who dare to think their rights are more important. We are all equal. That is all that should matter. All these stupid groups should champion that cause instead of finger pointing out different groups. That my friends IS the problem. No matter how well intended media personalities are, they do nothing more than hurt their own causes and alienate those that normally could care less what others do with their personal lives. Being proud of what or who you are, does not mean you have to repeatedly beat people over the head with it regardless of your situation. Bedrooms should stay in the bedroom and stay out of politics. I thought the constitution already took care of the rights of all. Oh ya, I guess that’s just a stupid piece of paper.

Is the the most juvenile ‘advanced’ country on the planet or what?

We either respect equality or we don’t, which is it?

Hey, Rachel,

You shamelessly stole the Scooby Doo “huh” idea from the Stephanie Miller show.

Don’t complain that other people infringe on gay ideas until you are willing to give credit where credit is due. :)

I love you and Stephanie, but be willing to share the credit.

huh? @ 36:

Hey, Rachel,

You shamelessly stole the Scooby Doo “huh” idea from the Stephanie Miller show.

Don’t complain that other people infringe on gay ideas until you are willing to give credit where credit is due. :)

I love you and Stephanie, but be willing to share the credit.

Are you frickin’ for real?…..

candideinnc @ 22:

Equality in the law is not a mere “self-indulgence,” as has been suggested here. It is a matter of injustice. I suggest that the writers who claim everything is hunky-dory for gays, and that we need to let this matter sink into oblivion look at the court cases which have been fought recently by the Lambda Legal Defense Fund. The issues gays continue to face in this bigoted society are not little matters. They involve job security, housing, adoption, pensions, insurance–all the important matters that many straight people have the luxury of taking for granted.

I believe that the war is the major issue of this campaign, and I don’t want the question of gay marriage to derail the Democrats’ success any more than the rest of you. In the process, though, of winning the election, don’t insult our efforts at achieving equity in this nation. Support for one cause shouldn’t negate support for other causes.

There’s a time for everything and THIS ISN’T IT!!

candideinnc @ 33:

20 years ago, the Supreme Court endorsed inequality by saying the crimes against nature laws were legal. Prior to Clinton, the Democratic presidential candidates wouldn’t mention gays, much less endorse their causes. 11 years ago, the candidates would sometimes endorse the concept of gays in the military. This year, all Democratic candidates have endorsed civil unions.

My bet is that in 4 years all the Dems will endorse gay marriage, and the Repugs will come out in favor of civil unions. In eight years gays will not be an issue in presidential politics at all.

But it won’t happen if gays roll over and play dead. You want us to stop being a political issue, help us change the government.

That’s exactly what Mike Gravel (who I believe took the show) said, much to the surprise of the audience and the chagrin of Joe Solomonese. HRC is a huge money operation and without a cause the justification for collecting will dwindle. Should Mike or Dennis make it to the White House, it won’t take long for HRC to lose its foothold. No wonder Solomonese tried to lock Gravel out.

I think this is why HRC appears to be endorsing Clinton as she, and the other big money candidates, don’t have “Equal Marriage” in their vocabulary. Therefore the cause will have a longer life.

Call me jaded.

To those that say that we as a society can’t address and advance GLBT issues by naming them:
How poor must your view of society be that you think that America can’t see beyond labels. We need, and in fact have an America that is beyond that. The minority that condemns gays as a group is on their way out…out of the political offices, out of the GOP(witness the number of GOP closet repressions that have led to horrible ends) and out of the churches. We don’t want or need that kind of hate in the Democratic party. Name it, face it. Yes, our candidates do in fact *gasp* talk to gays.

crazylove @ 14:

No, I’m not Hillary and yes, this is an annoying self-indulgence in times like these.

How are your basic civil rights indulgent any time anywhere? If you are beat up, treated as a second class citizen, and not even allowed basic rights to marry etc., it is not induldent to be intersted in what polititians say about ‘gat politics’. Use your head/heart.

I think crazylove is right, we can’t push too fast. Maybe in 40 or 50 yrs we gays can finally be granted equality, a full CENTURY after the 1964 Civil Rights Act. We should be able to wait that long, right? I’m in my mid-40s, so that’ll just mean I have to wait until I die to have equality. And I’m perfectly willing to do that, after all precious crazylove finds any discussion of gay rights annoying. Now who wouldn’t agree to live their entire life as a 2nd class citizen in order to spare some hetero-privileged fascist twit from being annoyed?

Johnny @ 42:

I think crazylove is right, we can’t push too fast. Maybe in 40 or 50 yrs we gays can finally be granted equality, a full CENTURY after the 1964 Civil Rights Act. We should be able to wait that long, right? I’m in my mid-40s, so that’ll just mean I have to wait until I die to have equality. And I’m perfectly willing to do that, after all precious crazylove finds any discussion of gay rights annoying. Now who wouldn’t agree to live their entire life as a 2nd class citizen in order to spare some hetero-privileged fascist twit from being annoyed?

Please don’t misunderstand. It is just that we’re in such fundamental deep shit as a country and as a people. I am 200% for gay rights and any other group (mine is ignored completely as a struggling single parent have NO equality platform nor do I complain about it because no one really gives a shit, but that’s o.k., that’s life).
We’re more concerned with human rights that are more basic at this time. Hunger, education, torture, inappropriate intrusions on our freedoms. I worry about the world my son will face and yours too.
I am sick of this divisive shit. We’re ALL up the creek and have to be unified about our survival. You me black white jew gay straight muslim christian blond brown IT DOESN’T
MATTER.

I am only saying it is time for ALL OF US to just work together and get our priorities straight.

forestyan: Good point!! What does a name like “Air America Radio” tell us about the bent of the station, either?!?
Rachel, love ya, but pitching at windmills here, hon….
There’s plenty to be frustrated with the choices of HRC, without piddling over the name. I happen to like the implication that yes, we’re part of the human race, too (dammit), so its never bothered me or seemed inappropriate.