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bluegal on Wednesday, August 15th, 2007 at 8:29 PM - PDT
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Perhaps you’ve heard of the Political Compass website, where you can take a test that places you on a grid based on the degree to which you are “left” or “right” on the economic scale as well as how socially libertarian or authoritarian you are… Anyway, thanks to a recent article in London’s TimesOnline, we can see how the 2008 U.S. presidential candidates fit on the grid.
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There it is.
So much for anti-autoritarianism.
I guess anarchy does not rule.
I keep pulling for Kucinich…
Heck of a job DLC. That is so scary!
Pull him further left. He’s gettin thirsty and he’s about to reach for the kool-aid.
So that’s why the last three pop-quizzes I took started out: Kucinich, Gravel, Obama, Clinton, Edwards, Richardson.
Either I’m consistent or they are…
Edwards scares them more than Hillary.
Yes. Blue gal, if you were a guy, I’d want to have your baby. I mean my eggs will be hittin’ 40 this month but anyhoo…. Jon Stewart just gave the greatest smack down to a neo con, EVAH! And he did it with such grace, style, gentleness and respect for an opponent. It was so beautiful. I was standing and cheering. Yes, my kids were frightened.
I’m way in the lower left corner, all alone, sniff.
Still, I think this representation is rather accurate.
I look forward to seeing TDS on the site tomorrow…
He ripped the author of Cheney’s new biography a new one.
I was thinking of Mitt being semi-sane despite the holy underwear, and a corrupt tool of the special interests…..he’s the biggest fucking fascist of all, even over Rudi…..course that goes in with the SUBORDINATION to religion and all that.
Glad to see my guy John E. lower and lefter than any of the other republican lites I mean democrats. Wish we could get a low, left quadrant into a position to be electable but…..
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perhaps rove got his republican majority afterall.
I call bullshit on putting Ron Paul in the right quadrant, if anything he should be the only candidate in the liberitarian quadrant.
Petty will support troop cuts. Congress is as unpopular as the Prez. The army has the worst suicide rate in over 25 years.
I don’t buy the grid. I don’t think it accurately reflects Edwards or Ron Paul, just for starters. I won’t argue the Republican horde or Hillary.
I’m a little disturbed to see Barak as high as he is, and somewhat happy to see Hillary as low as she is, although that’s a pretty big nasty veer to the right that she has.
I’m low left quadrant too, hangin out with Ghandi and MLK.
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I think Dennis Kucinich should be moved a few notches towards authoritarian because of his (position on gun control)…
Ron Paul even though he is pro life….should probably be a little more towards center….
Obama…..move him farther right…
Hillary….more authoritarian
even though the british drive on the wrong side and see things askewed …
seems to be a reasonably accurate graph…
LibertyLover @ 7:
I agree
I’d like to see that graph with another dimension… over time how did the candidates shift…
Dan @ 19:
Bravo!
> I think Dennis Kucinich should be moved a few notches towards authoritarian because of his (position on gun control)…
Some folk identify themselves as right-wing trolls, by the position they take. They always seem to *use* the First amendment to only think or talk about the Second amendment.
So when is Tom Tancredo going to experience a helium flash, balloon to millions of times his current size, and engulf his satellites? I mean, he’s pretty far in the upper right there.
This is a Hertzsprung-Russel diagram, right?
PS: However I do note that Ron Paul is on his way to being a white dwarf.
I avoid taking these things like the plague.
No matter how I answer them I always end up to the right of Mao, Stalin and Nixon.
:-(
Go figure….
~Nyc
Pretty depressing spread.
I think Ron Paul is exactly where he should be because of his position on abortion rights.
It’s no big surprise that the Dems are where they are, although John Edwards probably ought to be further left.
I don’t really want to fight in the revolution — too damned old — but I guess if I have to, I have to.
Umm, Times of London is a Murdoch paper.
Seems like all we have heard from is the media, and who is taking the lead. Until I see an idependent poll, I am ignoring the media, and rightfully so, because it has been a long while since the media been right about anything.
It’s a game, folks, this left/right good bad crap; look for the folks pulling the strings.
Democracy was set up as a game to entertain the masses whilst the real power implement what they want. read or listen to Alan Watt , www.cutting throughthematrix.com
We’re being gamed.
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Takin’ it to the man!
Kucinich!!!!!!!!!
Any doubts?
Any questions?
Or, are you willing to settle for more of the same?
Peace!
Those who watched The Daily Show tonight - Jon gets better every night and tonight he knocked it out of the park. Hays had no defense and he knew it.
No way that grid is accurate.
Thinker @ 31:
Do you want entertainment, or substance? Do you think Jon will answer the ultimate questions of just what the hell is going on? He can entertainingly yabber on and attack Cheney’s latest outrage but, just what is going on? Go deeper.
You’re being gamed.
Thinker @ 31:
Sorry Thinker, beat ‘cha to it. Watching TDS while bloggin’ at C&L’s is like Margeret Cho saying having sex while watching porn is like watching the cooking channel while eating…BAM! If that doesn’t make sense, blame the Syrah.
Yeah, Kucinich is the one I should be voting for. I used to like Edwards, but I’ve noticed a shift to the right with him.
Good God, I don’t think Kucinich has a chance.
With the exception of him, all of the others bring the promise of infinite mediocrity.
http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html
The World’s Smallest Political Quiz is the site I was familiar with. I hadn’t thought of plugging the candidates into it. It works pretty closely for me. I’m in Kucinich’s neighborhood.
this is normally past my posting hours, but i was wondering if in the world of C&L anyone could help me
my parents are in Lima, Peru right now and i am desperately trying to get info. all the news services are pulling from similar wire services. does anyone know of a way to get realtime info on the earthquake?
i know i am probably grasping at straws, but, like i said, i am desperate
Very interesting how far all the candidates seem to be shifted toward “authoritarian”..
….yet NONE appear to be left wing.
Sorry Billy, looks like LEFTY nazis aren’t running this year.
It is just way too early to focus SO much attention on polls and grids that don’t reflect how these candidates have shifted with regards to an ever changing world and political climate. Take the debates for example, each of the candidates are asked questions about major issues, but only get a couple of minutes or 30 seconds to respond. Do we really want the next president to make decisions about such complex issues in this manner? The way the debates are set up does us all a disservice as well as polls because often reinforce the B.S. that the TV media spits out. Many of the polls aren’t even scientific. Suppose a candidate changes their mind on an issue due to new information they learn about. (I am not talking about hot button issues such as abortion here.) Rather than consider the candidates ability to possilby grow throughout the campaign, they are immediately labeled a “flip-flopper”. Damn, talk about carpal tunnel flair up for just typing that damn term!
Guess I’m voting for Gravel.
Samson- @ 37:
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Try Googling “online radio Lima Peru”…
Samson- @ 37:
geez samson, no idea. I’m thinking of you. I’m sorry.
heres where I am..
Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -2.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.28
a little south of mike gravel i guess. lol
Vote up Fox entries
http://wired.reddit.com/wikidgame
http://www.politicalcompass.or.....lchart.gif
Just about every international leader, including liberal ones in Europe, is on the Authoritarian-Right quadrant, so I’m not surprised.
colorful and useless. that chart based on an arbitrarily derived formula is about as meaningful as a relationship quiz in cosmopolitan magazine.
Samson, here is a page that offer peru tv
http://wwitv.com/portal.htm?ht.....on/165.htm
It looks like the streams are full on some of them. I typed peru tv into google-maybe a closer country has the news.
I remember doing one of those test thingies. I was pleased to apparently lie on the same axis as Gandhi, albeit a little closer to the centre. Hooray!
Just Me @ 41:
Oh yeah, good advice. Try (Mac) iTunes or the PC equivalent to get access to web radio. From that, you could tune in live to pretty much anywhere. Best of luck.
Organizations have power, they don’t need rights. Corporations will eat the world alive if not stopped. Put me in the HARD Liberal camp.
…but what does Dr. Phil say?
Just Me,
thank you so much. i googled it and it has a lot more information. I am going to pour thru the local news to see if i can find anything out.
strawberry,
thank you for your thoughts, that was very nice of you. i am sure they are ok, its just the not knowing that is difficult.
miss kitty,
i am going to try to stream the news. it looks like some are down, but i am going to keep trying. thank you for looking into that for me.
Eternal Vigilance,
thank you. it means a lot to have people wishing the best.
just a big thank you to everyone
take care C&L friends~