Moyers will always be frist in my book!

The true believers won’t believe that they were manipulated.
It takes a particular kind of mental gymnastics to support Bush and ignore CHeney’s new granddaughter.

I watched this segment, and nodded my head in affirmation throughout. Moyers is right-Rove was able to take a loser and package him as the new savior, and that played so well with true believer dominionists that it even seemed palatable to more reasonable religionists.

It is only in hindsight, in the wake of the tragedy of war, the shredding of the Constitution, the stench of corruption, that American citizens have awakened to the fraudulent sales job perpetrated on us. Too busy with our consumerist goals, or simply with survival, we allowed ourselves to be persuaded that the emperor had royal, sacred rainment. But he was naked all along. And Karl Rove was the chief persuader. His legacy is that he has helped cause the destruction of the United States of America’s good name, the death of hundreds of thousands of innocents and thousands of our own military, the postponement of constructive action to alleviate global warming, and not the least, made us less safe against our enemies.

Karl Rove has helped bring our nation to its proverbial knees, and not in the prayerful way his fundamentalist Christian followers would have hoped.

It will take decades to undo his despicable legacy. But we owe it to our children and to the world, to begin.

You’ve got to give it to him, he’s got a lot of reading to do. Who want to go down with sinking ship!!!! ——> http://www.youpolls.com/catego.....iew=recent

The only good thing I can say about Rove is he did take those reich wing knuckle-dragging Christofascits bigoted hate-mongers for a ride.

Even in a creature as reprehensible as Turdy one can find a positive.

Why is it so hard for the American people to see and to admit that they were used and abused by Rove and his frightening agenda? It is frustrating for us on the outside looking in to witness the loyalty shown to these traitors. The intellect of the average U.S. citizen is questioned when we see the accolades Rove is given.

Bravo to Bill Moyers, a true American patriot.

I used to be cynical but i can’t keep up.

Speaking of cynical exactly what does Karl believe in? Is it merely power and/or greed? If i were him i would not want there to be a hell either (Unfortunately there isn’t.) The fact of the matter is i am having a hard time believing in justice these days let alone God.

In a fair and just world, there is a posse riding in to arrest Rove. But this ain’t no fair and just world, is it?

will this movie end well, will the posse catch this horse thief? will the grizzeld sherrif beat the shit out of the culprit? and as the movie ends will thier be a haunting mellody playing as the horse thief swings from a scaffold after a short trial? god i love clint eastwood spagetty westerns

Will you be posting any of the debate clips from the recent Dem debate?

Moyer’s is one of the calmest, clear headed, intelligent, an non reactive investigative journalists left on the scene.

He tells it like it is without all the testosterone laced adrenaline, drama, hype, and infantile self centered “this is show business” approach most other so called journalists these days engage in.

What posse?

Moyers raises the standard every friday. He’s a national treasure

I think we can now count the investigative journalists on one hand.
The next generation won’t even know what it means.

Rove has great instincts for timing his exit…

But unfortunately when it comes to Sen. Leahy and all those investigations…

You can run but your can’t hide, sir…

Emerald @ 3:

I watched this segment, and nodded my head in affirmation throughout. Moyers is right-Rove was able to take a loser and package him as the new savior, and that played so well with true believer dominionists that it even seemed palatable to more reasonable religionists.

It is only in hindsight, in the wake of the tragedy of war, the shredding of the Constitution, the stench of corruption, that American citizens have awakened to the fraudulent sales job perpetrated on us. Too busy with our consumerist goals, or simply with survival, we allowed ourselves to be persuaded that the emperor had royal, sacred rainment. But he was naked all along. And Karl Rove was the chief persuader. His legacy is that he has helped cause the destruction of the United States of America’s good name, the death of hundreds of thousands of innocents and thousands of our own military, the postponement of constructive action to alleviate global warming, and not the least, made us less safe against our enemies.

Karl Rove has helped bring our nation to its proverbial knees, and not in the prayerful way his fundamentalist Christian followers would have hoped.

It will take decades to undo his despicable legacy. But we owe it to our children and to the world, to begin.

Well said. I was surprised to hear that Rove is a self-confessed agnostic. I did not know that, and I would think that factoid would get more play out there…

Btw, where I live, Bill Moyers in on 11pm Friday!
I watch online, and I send voided checks to WUNC.

Bless Bill Moyers. In a world where the trivial and trifling are routinely rewarded (hello, broadcast news and any “news” on Fox), his honest, pull-no-punches insights are sorely needed. He should be making the millions that I’m sure Chris Matthews pulls down. Thank God he continues to speak out.

hadenuf @ 14:

I think we can now count the investigative journalists on one hand.
The next generation won’t even know what it means.

Many will think it means traitor if things keep going in the direction these assholes are taking this world.

hadenuf @ 14:

I think we can now count the investigative journalists on one hand.
The next generation won’t even know what it means.

You got that right. “Journalists” will mostly be jog hoppers who are jumping from one gig to the next better one.

Weather Anchor, Sports, on up the ladder to Host of Idol, Makeover, or Hollywood Squares where the “big bucks” are.

Tremendous analysis from a man I respect. Keep up the good work, Mr. Moyers!

I have no respect for that hypocritical, treasonous POS named rove, who used the fears and neuroses of “the christianista faithful” to help get bush elected at least once - in Texas. The national elections for president, however, must go down in the history books in a fashion similar to the batting records of barry bonds - with a bold-script asterisk (*) beside them.

May rove rot in hell for the damage that he has brought to the United States.

I liked this one…

“Karl Rove figured out a long time ago that the way to take an intellectually incurious draft-averse naughty playboy in a flight jacket with chewing tobacco in his back pocket and make him governor of Texas, was to sell him as God’s anointed in a state where preachers and televangelists outnumber even oil derricks and jack rabbits.”

• Detox from Fox: Starve The Beast

I don’t believe in hell, so may Rove rot in a physical 3D jail cell.

Should be required viewing for Matthews, Gregory, Russert, and the rest of the “journalists” on teevee.

Dont forget to mention election fraud,election rigging and attacking big city precincts to make it impossible for lower income people to vote

Kucinich/Moyers ‘08

Media Consolidation = Lame Stream Media

The media’s analysis of Rove’s impact seems to focus on the effectiveness with which he carried out his goals, and it’s hard to deny his effectiveness. But effectiveness alone is not the criteria by which we should judge whether a politician is worthy of admiration. If it were, we could say that Adolf Hitler was to be admired because his regime was so effective at slaughter. No, effectiveness is only admirable when it serves laudable goals. Rove should be judged by whether he was effective at attaining goals which we can agree are worthwhile.

Moyers is brave, but the political monsters in the dark forest will have him.

An excellent piece from a journalist who retains his integrity!!!

Why is it always hindsight that reveals how stupid we are? In hindsight we are able to realize the collapse of the ’sub prime’ mortgage debacle, the fraudulent failure of Enron, the shameful role this administration has played selling a useless war.

Is hindsight the only tool we humans have to recognize the truth of a situation? If that is so we are doomed to be the eternal victims of the shysters of the world.

Couldn’t we just ask more questions of those who presume to know what’s best for us. Isn’t it possible that we might be able to raise the bar a little when electing or hiring our consultants? We are the one’s paying. We are paying in everything from our life’s blood to our life savings. Couldn’t we, at least, demand from our employees a thorough and verifiable resume?

If we don’t try something to stem the tide of greed and incompetence which permeates our country we deserve to be the eternal victims.

Moyers started his show with a look at Katrina 2 yrs later.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sk-TrboVN4g

so wrong. :(

NevadaBlue @ 26:

Kucinich/Moyers ‘08

Great Idea to bad Kucinich is considered too radical-fringe.

Job number one is getting a President who is going to work tirelessly to heal the divisions in this country and repair our hopelessly damaged reputation around the world. I worry this country has become fragmented into so many pieces it might take decades to put it back all together again.

The function of government is the creation/maintanance of civil society and the protection of the common man and his interests - public commons - from predators; the greedy, corporatists, aristocracy etc. (OSHA, FDA, EPA, FEMA etc etc)

Without government, no group of citizens is strong enough to defend themselves, civil society or the public commons from predation.

The predators have convinced the common man in the US to dismantle that which preserves and protects them. The predators have been unchained on an ignorant and gullable citizenry. They will be ‘eaten’, which is what they deserve. The world needs to watch and take careful notes so as not to repeat this mindless blunder.

Rove is a parasite. He will return, probably attached to the arse of Romney.

Again, the American Public gets what it deserves.

Bush received over 52% of the vote in 2004.

And in the Chutpah Department:

The voters overwhelmingly supported the president in going to war in Iraq
back in 2002-2003. And now many in the public are DEMANDING an apology
from Hillary Clinton (whom I can’t stand) for her vote to go to war - a vote that
most of the public supported. ‘Eff the public, ‘eff Karl Rove.

Moyers has more going on in tip of his finger then MSNBC,CBS, ABC, CNN combined…Fox doesn’t even count.
And no, no one will have Moyers, as truth is never destroyed, only delayed.

A little family history about Rove.

http://www.bmezine.com/news/guest/20070818.html

Rove seems really to be an amoral opportunist in the real politik sense.

What’s on in my area instead of Bill Moyers:
NC People

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For every time I get embarrassed by Texans (Bush, Rove), I am reminded that Ann Richards, Molly Ivins, and Bill Moyers are/were also from Texas. Thank goodness there’s some compensation.

Coarse?

Hah. Miss Piggy Rove feeds on coarse.

But maybe’s Karl’s really going down this time.

bernarda @ 38:

A little family history about Rove.

http://www.bmezine.com/news/guest/20070818.html

Rove seems really to be an amoral opportunist in the real politik sense.

Oh, great; yet another son with tons of father baggage. Yet another someone–untreated–who leaves a wake of disaster behind him. Welcome to the world of When Society Becomes an Addict, predicted a couple decades ago.

Hypocrites love their own. There aren’t enough true believers to elect a dog catcher. They play to the self-righteous, the judgmental. That is why gay preachers and congressmen are so popular with the church going crowd. Keep it in the closet, and be cool, and everything will be okay. The only difference between sinner and saint is that the “sinner” usually doesn’t pretend to be something he’s not, and doesn’t usually try to pretend to be better than anyone else. Don’t kid yourselves kiddies, there are some nasty messed up mofos filling up the pews on Sunday.

Moyers’ analysis is spot on. Rove has been called many things: the Brain, the Architect, the always endearing turd blossom but what I’ve always thought is that he’s the Great Makeup Artist. No one is better at getting lipstick on the pig than Karl Rove.
Why he picked Bush as his masterpiece we’ll never know for sure but I suspect it was the challenge. This was his Everest. The sad part is that at no time did he consider the consequences for the United States of marketing a person of such limited intellectual capacity. For those of us foreigners who appreciate the positive role the U.S. has historically played I beg you: come next election please don’t do that again. We don’t need two forty watters in a row.

Bill Moyers: Punk Rock Superhero.

As I recall, the right wing crazies tried their best to get rid of Bill Moyers. He “retired” and it looks like the retirement didn’t take - thanks be to God. He has always been the voice of the religious center and we have forgotten what that sounds like.

yep, what he says.

Rove thinks the Dem nominee’s gonna be Billary, but I think he’s wrong, it’s Obama. It’ll be Obama vs. Romney, w/ Obama winning.

The only Republican who’d beat Obama is Ron Paul. Fortunately, the Republican base is too stupid to ever figure that out.

I’m tired of hearing people refer to Rove as some kind of genius. Please. I’m sure he has an above average IQ, but the term genius is usually reserved for those who create something new that is of value. Therefore, I don’t think the term “evil genius” should even be used. How about smart a-hole? The reason that Rove came up with so many interesting ways to lie and manipulate is because he spent his days thinking about this in earnest. This is the same reason why most people don’t regularly come up with new ways to scam elderly people, while some people can be professional con-artists. Their mind just work that way for some unfortunate reason. So let’s just call Rove what he is, a reasonably smart, mis-directed a-hole, not political genius.

P.S. If he was a real genius, we wouldn’t be on to his game.

Bill Moyers just oozes integrity.