Karl Rove Spins His Way Out Of Town On Meet The Press
By Logan Murphy Saturday Aug 18, 2007 10:45am
This morning on "Meet The Press" Karl Rove sat down with David Gregory to talk about his career, Iraq and the state of the Republican party today. Gregory actually asks some tough questions and follows up on them, but the Master of Spin refuses to answer most of the questions directly and as expected, attempts to rewrite history and put a positive face on his scorched earth brand of politics and the worst president in American history.
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Rove bashes Hillary Clinton and Joe Wilson, throws Richard Armitage under the bus, defends the recently unearthed video of Dick Cheney (what's changed? Why 9/11 of course!) and refuses to take responsibility for his role in the failures of the Bush administration and the catastrophic damage he's done to the Republican party. There's a lot of garbage to sort through, have at it in the comments...
Karl Rove lied again and again. Does that truly surprise you?
Sorry, "No way Jose" can I watch the video clips of Rove...I just ate breakfast
and don't want to up-chuck...
I really can't understand why the better majority of the admin isn't in jail.
Can't watch. He's a huge downer.
"In 2000 President Bush won an election he never should have won." Karl Rove, Meet The Press 8/19/07
Now that will be the ONE time I agree with Turdblossom 100%.
Spin all you want baby it's over, you've finally caught with your hand in the jar. Savor the moment this is a good day for America. -------> http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=316
CraigJohnson @ 5:
He is still batting .000 with me. Bush did not win, he was appointed by S/C in 2000.
I hope they do the MC Rove Dance!
Doggiebobo @ 7:
True. An agonizing truth. An assault on the constitution that should have caused an armed revolution.
So, several minutes worth of Bush talking points from the guy that wrote them boils down to this:
"I don't apologize for a damn thing, because the only measure of success that will matter in the history books is that we didn't get hit by another 9/11."
Thank you, and good night.
I think its BS that David Gregory is doing this interview. He's up there dancing with Rove and bonding with him on a "friend" type basis. Then he's supposed to be an objective reporter and lay into him?
Funny thing is Russert has a similar conflict of interest. He can't ask Rove jack about the Plame case because they're both involved in it.
MEAT YOUR PRESS
"the worst president in American history"
Absolutely. Even the wikinuts from FNC will have to live long and work hard to ever change that general, worldwide perception of BushCo.
Bush's legacy is indelible.
Pure manipulation. Who is going to calmly stand up to him, and embarrass him out of our view.
Did I hear him say Afghanistan has no natural resources? I thought I did! Well that's telling.
Maybe he will go on tour with Celine Dion. We can only hope...
There is nothing that man has to say that I want to hear. Everytime I see his face I see a liar, a crook, and a traitor and no amount of spin is going to change that.
I guess the Afghan people don't count, being that they're so,....unnatural and everything.
rove makes my head hurt. i can't believe people like him have any credibility... it's like i'm in some terrible nightmare. what has bush done to my country?
I realize for many of you, watching Rove makes you too angry to watch.
Not me. I love seeing that this is all he is. There is no mad genius. There is no political scholar. There is no Machiavellian savant.
There's just a slimy little shit who has gotten to where he is because he doesn't have a problem lying. He doesn't mind that people like you and I are watching him lie. He doesn't mind that his face will be associated with the lies coming out of his mouth. He lacks the scruples to give a shit.
And in a weird way, it makes me feel better. This guy doesn't know more than he lets on. Comments like "I know THE math" are designed to make you feel intimidated and wonder if he knows more than you.
He doesn't, and that's never been more clear than this morning.
Bob @ 13:
Talking heads, you mean?
Strangely enough, I nominate Bill Maher for this task, even over Jon Stewart.
All hail those who do have the stomach to watch the Awful Little Man. I already watched a clip of Bill Orally this morning -- two of them in one day is more than I can handle.
Rove says in one statement that Bush has to make difficult decisions that don't always have 80/20 support among the people.
Then he says that the American people are basically smart.
So George Bush goes against what 80% of smart Americans think is right.
That's leadership? Keep your eye on the spinning, swirling words.
Doggiebobo @ 7:
To this day I believe that Kerry was a ringer for Bush. He put up a weak campaign and was apathetic to all the blatant voting corruption, ie. machines, paperless trails, intimidation.
Kerry was working for Bush. Skull & Bones forever!
Off Topic: Today's Austin paper lists the individual taken to Wash. by bush-lite who
are Texans....Four have resigned, being: Harriet Miers, Scott McClellan, Dan Bartlett and Karl Rove.
Following still remain: Karen Hughes, Under Sec. of State for Public Relations; Brian Montogmery, Asst. Sec. for Fed. Housing Commission; Gordon Johnson, Special Asst.
to Prez and Nat. Security Council Press Sec.; Israel Hernandez, Asst. Sec. for Trade
Promotion & Director General of the U.S. & Foreign Commerical Services; Margaret Spelling,
Education Secretary; and Clay Johnson, Director of Management at the Office of Management
and Budget.
And we thought the DoJ was full of Regent College lawyers who are devoted to bush-lite
and his administration, but looks as if almost all of those who served w/bush when he
was Governor of Texas are like a bunch of sheep in "his" flock.
DNey @ 19:
Glad to see this.
Ray McGovern--former CIA analyst who speaks several languages, writes poetry, recites literature, is extremely articulate, and a true patriot--tried to tell us this years ago.
willie krash @ 14:
Yeah, largest poppy(herion) supplier in the entire world.
Sorry, doughboy, you can't get away with it, and history or the American people won't let you. After 9/11 occurred the country was united against this attack on ALL Americans but then YOU, fatboy, YOU decided to take your man, Bushie, down the road of division and destroy the unified country by attacking the Democrats as soft on terror or weak on the military defense, just so you could win elections. You, tubby, decided to make 9/11 and terrorism and all that 'political'. Hey it worked for a short time but look how your house of cards came tumbling down rather breathtakingly last Nov 06 when the Dems, by the voters great wisdom, came roaring back and now control Congress. So much for a permanent Republican majority [sick]. Yes the Dems need to stop being afraid of their shadow that you scared them into being afraid of, but the best thing here is, chuckles, you've been exposed as the lucky political charlatan you are. By attacking the opposition as you did, fiercely and arrogantly, and still expecting to get bipartisan bills passed (where you needed them) is just the height of naivete or hubris. Perhaps a unique mix of both. Well, you closeted poof, it didn't work and you're cutting and running and spinning away like so many hot-air laden political Katrinas out of DC. Good riddance, you won't be missed. All those names I used you completely deserve.
Doggiebobo @ 26:
Don't forget that they hold valuable pipeline right-of-way... and actually many beautiful, abused people.
i actually thought David Gregory was pitiful in his follow up ?'s and let Rove peddle numerous "falsehoods" especially regarding Valerie Plame among others. Ironically, Chris Wallace on FNS did a better job in interviewing him even though he left a lot to be desired also.
I for one am sad to see him go. There's few ppl in this admin that can pump up the democratic base like this turdball can. Likewise I hope gonzo sticks around. Just keep feeding these doped enough rope till "08!
You forgot he called Tweety a liar. He told his dance partner Gregory"Your collegue SAID Valerie was fair game, I nEVER di"...OH really let's see if Tweety responds.
I think its BS that David Gregory is doing this interview. I agree with this statement wholeheartedly.
Where are the two liberals to question him?
How come he gets a soft ball stroking by Gregory?
This is why Meet the Press has lost it's audience. They are no longer a program that matters.
They are a program that sells the propaganda FOR EVERYONE TO SEE.
It used to be that the military industrial complex who owned TV stations was kept secret; only a few people being aware.
These jackasses have blown it wide open so that anyone above six years old that doesn't realize that the TV is owned by "them" is a complete hopeless retard. No offense to the disabled (I am one of them). But we have to find a way to describe the republican base. They're retards.
Karl Rove is a fat slob clown with a severe sexual deficit.
See ya, republican uber-weasel. Too bad he is just a small part of a pervasive sickness.
I watched MTP, & realized he is not scarey anymore to me. Just a creep who, "DOES NOT CARE WHAT ANY ONE THINKS" or
"DOES NOT OWE ANY BODY AN APOLOGY"
From a turd he arose and to a turd he shall return.
Doggiebobo @ 2:
I agree with you. I just cannot stand anyone who lies. I get so angry when I hear this BS.
i one doesnt watch what the enemys up to then how can you prepare a defence against him ? i watched rove and my tummys still digesting my bacon and eggs , stiff upper lip , carry on , and pip pip, roves leaking shit and talkings not going to plug the hole, he needs to be destroyed once and for all ,
Lying sack of shite.
He outed Valerie Plame and the world knows it.
Wilson was working for State and he is a Patriot. So is Plame a patriot.
This guy is a traitor. But he can't see that because he remains loyal to his "feckless" leader and he "thinks" that kind of loyalty constitutes loyalty to the nation.
We all know the loyalty test is to the CONSTITUTION, not your "boy".
When it comes to measuring up to whether these rat bastards have protected and defended the CONSTITUTION?
Well Pelosi needs to drag IMPEACHMENT back onto the "table". The people are demanding it. Read your CONSTITUTION. When the PEOPLE DEMAND IT you must do it.
He does a very good job of holding the line about everything. I am surprised that Gregory did not go after him a little more about the information leading up to the war and the scare tactics used by the Administration then and now. Yes, some things changed on 11 September, but our freedoms, our place in the world should have not changed. We cannot go after terrorists with armies, but with a better security and information infrastructure.
Did anyone notice that Rove used oil quite a bit to justify the war. He said that fanatics want to use oil to bring down the West. More of reason to stop using oil from the Middle East.
Amazing. A complete political animal. All strategy all power all the time. He doesn't know the difference between right and wrong because its simply not useful knowledge.
I've got a better nickname for him: Amoral.
I think he is IMMORAL.
dr.know @ 30:
Its not just the Democratic base that he makes angry. I'm a Libertarian and I feel the same way the Democrats do about Rove.
Meet the "lying" Republicans.
David sure held the (Republican) party line in that interview.
Wow. Just watched it. He IS a smooth liar, I have to give him that. No wonder Bush kept him on until he almost destroyed the GOP. There are way too many lies, spins and half-truths in these clips to address. I do agree with some of the earlier post regarding not wanting to watch it, I wish I didn't now that I've seen. He lies and deflects to the bitter end. What a slippery Texas snake in the grass. The Turd gets flushed on August 31st and what a great day for America that will be.
Karl Rove's true legacy? The permanent debasement of American politics itself.
For the details, see:
"The Base Politics of Karl Rove."
neil @ 43:
Or as Al Franken said..."Lies that the lying liars tell."
Title should read, "Karl Rove SHITS his way out of town."
DNey @ 19:
Rove may boast he "knows the math" but he cannot avoid the consequences of his actions. As ye sow, so shall ye reap--and it's harvest time. He won't be remembered for anything redemptive.
911? He's in that click of culpable supervillain scum that did it!
Why is it that reporters like Gregory seem to lack a basic grasp of critical arguments on fundamental issues? For example, Rove repeats the blather that "everyone thought there were WMD."
We've been hearing this for years now, and the truth of the matter is well-established that, while no one knew for certain, many sources thought that this was highly unlikely or at least doubtful. See Hans Blix, Mohammed El-Baradei, and even the administration's equivocal National Intelligence Estimate. And of course Blix and El-Baradei were all CORRECT. The Downing Street Memo showed that the policy of invasion came first, the weak, partial, and suppositious intelligence demonstrating WMD possession mustered to support the policy case.
These are BASIC, BASIC facts about the Bush administration's drive to war, but Gregory still doesn't know or can't cite them? Why do these journalists persist in letting officials like Rove parrot long-debunked spin, and so allow them to lay down another iteration of falsehood in the minds of the American public? They should take a lesson from the much tougher British press.
The Italian people had a major problem following the war called Mussolini. They solved it with a piece of rope and a light pole. I was only a kid but I remember the picture I saw in the paper. It is seared in my memory. No trial, no jail, just justice. True, it was street justice. Sometimes...
By the time it was over, Karl Rove handed David Gregory a spun basket full of lies.
These snake rethuglicans are working at trying to steal back the ball. To them it is not about nation; it's about being drunk with power. They can't stand the fact that they might not be in power. They apparently don't care that people hate them because it doesn't affect their job... yet.
Let's turn off the TV. Can you imagine if every Democrat in America cancelled their Murdoch TV feed? These shows come over the air FOR FREE and they're on the net FOR FREE. So not paying the monthly bill will DENT THEIR ASSES like nothing else.
No votes for them... no money for them.
By the way, when are we going to insist that if they send a thug republican to the polling places to "CHALLENGE" voters that they should have an EQUAL NUMBER OF DEMOCRATS AT THAT SAME POLLING PLACE TO CHALLENGE THE REPUBLICAN VOTERS?
We know it is because Democrats don't treat people this way. But adding that rule would get rid of the republican thugs so that people can vote. It used to be they just thugged outside the polls from the back of their pick up trucks. Now they thug inside the polling places and the news doesn't see anything wrong with it.
Oops... I forgot. There IS NO NEWS.
Fuck him. I hate liars.
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Election thief and fucking lying scum.
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I'm tired of the response to the Dick Cheney quote as "9/11 changed everything". Isn't the entire point of that quote to illustrate that "9/11 didn't change as much as we thought it did"?
BTW: Do you all get it yet?
Gregory is not a reporter or a journalist.
He is a HACK.
Some where out there there has to be a Clip of Sudam saying over and over he did not have any weapons of mass destruction. I seem to remember his administration reiterating that they were following UN santions. Everyone thought he was lying (perhaps including his own generals) BASED on the US intelligence. But he wasn't lying ws he? He wasn't even bluffing was he because I remember Iraq saying they did not have them and they didn't and they were telling the truth. Rove knows these are, Lies and more lies. Weapons Inspectors left after the US said they were invading not because they couldn't do the job because of Saddam but because the US was about to bomb Iraq. History rewrite?
I still refuse to watch the videos. There is no point in listening to the Devil's endless lies.
ThraseaPaetus @ 51:
I completely and totally agree. Gregory and other members of the "Capitol Press Corps"
do exactly the same things at the infrequent Tony Snowjob press meetings...NEVER
asking the correct questions or when they do, and get the snowjob from Snowjob,
they don't seem to know how to ask the appropriate follow-up question. ALL of the
MSM are disgusthingly inept....or perhaps just a part of the dumbing-down of the
citizens.
This sucks - he should not have been exit interviewed on MTP or any other Sunday talking head shows. He should have been the highlighted guest on 'Yo Mama' - now I'd buy that for a dollar!
David Gregory deserves to lose any respect that he might still have. After Rove bloviated about the separation of powers between the 3 branches of government, and how the founding fathers did not want, in his example, the judicial branch to be able to call in a clerk for a Supreme Court justice to question that clerk, I'm thinking right then that Gregory has the perfect segue into asking Rove about the excesses of the presidential branch. What does he do? For all practical purposes, Gregory falls to his knees and slobbers all over Rove. Mr. Gregory, if you are reading this, you are a turd blossom ass licking muncher. You have today caused Huntley and Brinkley to spin repeatedly in their graves. Do us all a favor and quit your job. OK? I'm sure the WH would be happy to hire you to replace the Snow job who can't cut it on a $168K salary, but then that would be working below your means, wouldn't it?
Wow, talk about the long fall from Hubris to Herpes.
That was a pathetic performance by Rove.
Curtilingus @ 11:
Joe O. @ 60:
Same.
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The only part of this farce that truly makes me angry is that he WILL get away with every conniving, deceiving, scheming, vicious crime he's authored. Flagrant constitutional violations, contempt of law and I personally hold him responsible for the deaths suffered in Iraq to-date! This worthless sack of protoplasmic shit is going to get away with it ALL!!! No accountability, no responsibility AND making more money then many of us will ever make in a lifetime. Think about that.....
One of my favorite spin moments is when Gregory called Rove on the fact that Bush's pols are lower than Hillary's to which Rove slithers with "she enters the general election with the lowest poll numbers and Al Gore had the second lowest approvals before the general (Turdy has to slime Gore too while he's got the spotlight) people know Hillary and have made up their minds". Well what does that say about George Bush Turdy? After being IN OFFICE for 6 years people have learned what Bush is all about which is why he is polling lower than Clinton. I doubt Hillary would poll as low as Bush after being in office for 6 years. And where are Al Gore's polls now Turdy? A lot higher than yours and your boy king I'm sure.
And I love how he tries to tie 911 to World War II. Hitler was marching across Europe with a goal of world domination and he's going to compare that with going after Saddam who did not attack us and who was not moving across the globe with a goal of world domination? One of the better Rove lies in this clip was when he says "The whole world thought Saddam had weapons" Big fucking lie you history revisionist piece of shit. The whole world DID NOT think Saddam had weapons that's why the whole world and the UN was saying wait we have no evidence, but this Texas oil administration and 2003 Cheney wanted to start an oil war that he could not start in 1994 so Hallburton could get no bid government contracts and big oil could cash in on the blood of innocent people.
Lying, criminal piece of low life shit. You and your henchmen should pay for your crimes and killings just as Saddam paid for his.
Rove is evil as Hell, but he is without question the smartest guy in this administration. He's the nerd Bush would have copied off in school. I hope his gone for good.
ThraseaPaetus @ 51:
hillery clinton says she trusted bush! edwardws said he trusted the cia wnds for sure, obamma had no vote so what would he have voted for if he had ? would he have like hillery trusted bush to not use his vote to go to war? and why did these supposed wise politicians believe a lieing son of a bitch like bush ? seems to me they had to be really stupid or else in bushes pocket. i didnt believe rumsfelds bullshit or powels or rice either and you want these lackeys in your whitehouse for four or eight yrs ? both obamma and clinton take money from lobbiests you want proof well its there if your looking , so whats going to change with our government with obamma or clinton nothing , they will never restore all the rights bush took from you but use them for their own advantage , kucinich as a young person was forced to lice in his familys car as a youngster and hasnt forgot the poors plight the rest went thru life with a silver spoon and chicken every sunday momma every things ok, and roves not going to change that!
The major thing that "9/11 changed" is that it turned the United States of America into Orwellian Land.
I can't watch the video, but I thank all of those who had the stomach to watch this creature who is not a turd, but "the" turd. By the way, screen caption makes him look like he's got quite the pancake makeup thing going on.
nice posts here ..
how heartwarming..
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sorry thats live in his familys car!!!!!
When he was talking about Anwar Province, he referred to "Al Qaeda and the terrorists". Are these "terrorists" the ones we've teamed up with to beat Al Qaeda, or the other "terrorists" i.e. the Shiites? Or maybe the Iranians? I suspect the latter, so here they are re-framing the issue again under his shifting sands doctrine. Well that was yesterday, that was in 1994 when things were different - anything to try and justify bad decisions on their part.
I'm reminded of an old saying that I will slightly modify - "You can always tell a Republican, but you can tell him much".
[...] Clark Karl Rove Spins His Way Out Of Town On Meet The Press » This article link is from an article posted at Crooks and Liars on Sunday, August 19, 2007 This [...]
OOPS, CORRECTION.
I’m reminded of an old saying that I will slightly modify - “You can always tell a Republican, but you can't tell him much”.
[deleted - over the top] That's the best that I can do on short notice.
Yellowbird @ 32:
If there's one thing we know about Karl Rove, it's that he won't show his face if he suspects he's going to deal with anything harsher than a blowjob from his interviewer.
A major reason we invaded and occupierd Iraq was purely for Rovian political power grabbing purposes, as well a few other unspoken but obvious reasons
He keeps repeating: "Regime." Doesn't he mean regimen?
Rove said, "Think about this. [Saddam Hussein] was under an onerous regime of inspections by the UN because he refused to cough up what he had in the way of WMD. He could have gotten out of that regime of inspections and restraints on his government and on his people if all he’d done is said 'I don’t have any more.'"
What fantasy world is Rove living in? The Iraqi government claimed numerous times that they no longer had WMDs throughout the 1990s after the first Gulf War ended. In 1998 when the inspectors left Iraq, Tariq Aziz went on CNN speaking for Iraq and said there was basically nothing his country could do to satisfy the U.S. and the UN, that they HAD disclosed everything (which WAS a fact in 1998) and yet the sanctions remained. He was disconsolate. If anyone goes back and looks at this history, the argument that it was Saddam's fault for not disclosing is ridiculous. What WAS true was the U.S. was never going to favor lifting sanctions as long as Saddam remained in power. Going back in at some future point was inevitable. If the U.S. wasn't a veto holding member of the UN, sanctions would have been lifted long before the 2003 debacle as they were no longer a legitimate threat. Disgusting.
What most of you missed is the offer the whitehouse made for closed hearings on the attorney firings. Rove is not afraid to testify under oath as much as they are afraid of Harriet Miers testifying. He would spin everything. Miers would not be able to spin her testimony.
Guys like Rove make me wish there is a hell.
Rove "we went into Iraq to keep terrorist from using the oil revenue to attack us". That was another slick Rovian lie. There were no terrorist in Iraq but "Al-Queda in Iraq" is there now thanks to BushCo. Thanks to BushCo terrorist can now get plenty of oil revenues to attack us again, which would mean more innocent blood on the already blood soaked hands of the war profiteers of the Bush regime.
SpankyTheMonkey @ 67:
This is really the heart of the matter. We have a ruthless unlawful government running roughshod over the planet. A government of murderers who have left rivers of blood in their wake. Over a MILLION Iraqis are dead. These are war criminals for sure.
Another thing they have cemented. We the "People" are put in a position that if we DON'T KOWTOW to the BOSS... we loose our homes AND our health care. If we don't knuckle under to the corporate power of the world we can not have a roof over our heads or have a doctor help us if we are sick. There is no forgiveness in bankruptcy anymore. You can be hounded until you die over a medical bill AFTER you file bankruptcy and if you didn't pay it off your kids get hounded when you're dead and gone if there was not enough left in your estate to pay it all.
But CORPORATIONS GET A BAIL OUT ON WALL STREET FOR GAMBLING DERIVATIVES.
These people are truly monstrous and have just about achieved all out repression. When will we throw it off?
does anyone think that rove would have agreed to do an interview with say, bill moyers?
"I still refuse to watch the videos. There is no point in listening to the Devil’s endless lies."
"May a thousand cancers infest his cerebellum causing him to eat uncooked republican babies." Excellent.
Yeah, can't watch because I might throw up too. I did watch the first two minutes, Iraq being compared to WWII? Is ANYONE that stupid?
Karl Rove is a demagogue, plain and simple. His ascent to power has been disastrous to our country at home and around the globe.
Gregory is a pussy who could have nailed Rove for his nonsense time and time again. For example, Rove was talking about how oil revenues were paying for the war. Gregory could have stated how much the war has cost the American people in dollars, human lives and wounded and compared that total to how much oil revenues have been produced. That comparison would have made Rove look like the idiot he is. Instead, he let Rove slither on like the foul snake he is.
Give to Cesar what belongs to Cesar, and to God, what belongs to God.
It hurts, but the bastard is extremely intelligent.
Furthermore. Machiavellic evil intelligent. He will spin, deny, confuse, rearrange and will prove you wrong that it's midnight in the middle of the day! But wait! It's not always going to be like that. Just be patient! He has his coming!
It's funny that he tries to justify the the attack on Iraq with the idea that saddam "thumbs his nose at UN inspectors!" He, of all people, should know that America doesn't pay it's tributes to the UN and basically thumbs it's nose to the international community every chance we get. The attack on Iraq was a thumb of the nose to the UN.
What unmitigated bullshit.
Any WMDs that were there they got from us in the 80's anyway.
Also, he says people can't think the same as they did in 94 because of 9-11.
People can't think the same as they did before we invaded Iraq. Basically, that Bush and his boys have to go, and impeachment is the way to do it.