You forgot Webb, who not only voted with the republicans to give Bush a blank check, (presumably because he felt a tawdry minimum wage bump was more urgent than, say, ending the war he claimed to help end if he got elected), but Webb voted AGAIN with the republicans to give Bush his illegal NSA program.

Or maybe Webb deserves his own catagory: Bush-SUCK Democrat.

Do you get the feeling that Tucker had an orgasm while Baird was talking?

Iraq will be another Korea.

Oh lovely, a new weapon which sucks air out of people and ruptures organs:
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/....._0823.html

“If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed in my country, I never would lay down my arms–never–never–never”.

Lord Chatham (aka the “elder” Pitt) spoke those words to Parliament in 1777.

Were it brought to their attention, most Americans today would take pride in that observation. They would, at least, understand it.

Most, too, would make a connection between the spirit that animates their pride, and the spirit of those Iraqi’s who- under no circumstance- will suffer American interference in their domestic affairs.

Why no democratic presidential candidate has seen fit to either invoke Chatham’s quote, or otherwise speak of the universal, bedrock pride of other peoples, is something I cannot fathom.

The big picture is just give us our damn electric cars!

The technology has been around for a long time. So many powers have done everything possible to keep us dependent on oil.

Make the god damned sand in Iraq worthless by embracing alternative fuel.

In 15 - 20 years oil dependency could be history.

hadenuf @ 4:

Oh lovely, a new weapon which sucks air out of people and ruptures organs:
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/....._0823.html

Nah, Napalm has been doing that for decades. And it is cheaper, heck you can make it in your very own garage.

I guess it is not only big pharma who re-spin farmaceuticals by changing a base, rebranding the product and selling it for 10x as much even though it is exactly the same as the product on which their patent just ran out.

LongTooth @ 5:

“If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed in my country, I never would lay down my arms–never–never–never”.

Ironically there have been foreign troops landed on British soil for over 4 decades.

the only war Bush and the rest of the Republicans saw was the one broadcast on television at the time. They had no clue as to what they were talking about then and they have no clue now.

I guess what I find really comical is that there are still some people in this country who support those same Republican military draft dodgers and think that they have the experience needed to “win” in Iraq. That thinking is so backwards. Hell, Pee Wee Herman and Bozo the clown probably have more military experience than Republicans do.

Bush Dog Dems. A fitting title for the cowardly traitors.

LongTooth @ 5:

“If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed in my country, I never would lay down my arms–never–never–never”.

Lord Chatham (aka the “elder” Pitt) spoke those words to Parliament in 1777.

Were it brought to their attention, most Americans today would take pride in that observation. They would, at least, understand it.

Most, too, would make a connection between the spirit that animates their pride, and the spirit of those Iraqi’s who- under no circumstance- will suffer American interference in their domestic affairs.

Why no democratic presidential candidate has seen fit to either invoke Chatham’s quote, or otherwise speak of the universal, bedrock pride of other peoples, is something I cannot fathom.

Agreed. Its common sense really but apparently common sense is not common among the Republicans.

LongTooth @ 5:

Most, too, would make a connection between the spirit that animates their pride, and the spirit of those Iraqi’s who- under no circumstance- will suffer American interference in their domestic affairs.

Why no democratic presidential candidate has seen fit to either invoke Chatham’s quote, or otherwise speak of the universal, bedrock pride of other peoples, is something I cannot fathom.

In all honestly, Iraq is a made up country by the British… yet another byproduct of their legacy of “divide and conquer” nation building that was such a hit during the XIX and early XX centuries. So I assume Americans though that them Iraqis would not notice if yet another English speaking country was to meddle with their internal affairs. How am I kidding, Americans know jack squat about history… so that is a most unprovable line of reasoning :-)

Joe O. @ 9:

Hell, Pee Wee Herman and Bozo the clown probably have more military experience than Republicans do.

Bob Bell the guy who played Bozo on TeeVee, actually served in the Marines. He was discharged because he was blind in one eye, he ended up serving for a few years in the Navy after that. He passed the marine physical by memorizing the reading chart in order to fool doctors about his single ocular vision status. This is, unlike most GOP chicken hawks who lied their way out of service, Bozo actually lied his way into service.

History is sometimes full of bread crumps like that.

They’ll dance with us until the “threat” of al Queda subsides or some such nonsense and then- we better prepare to be run over by our own construction. These people haven’t any idea what they are doing. I’d say if the American people judge success as the number of US troops killed or wounded then we shall reap even more of what we’ve sown.

I dare say that if we do not heed the signs we’re going to get our ass handed to us.

If one where to take the Republican line of reasoning then the Americans should have welcomed the British with open arms during the war of 1812. We have seen this same sort of thinking time and time again throughout history by a number of invading countries and for the most part, each invading country has faced a resistance movement against them. The American invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan are no different. Especially to those that are being occupied.

MeMyselfAndI @ 13:

Joe O. @ 9:

Hell, Pee Wee Herman and Bozo the clown probably have more military experience than Republicans do.

Bob Bell the guy who played Bozo on TeeVee, actually served in the Marines. He was discharged because he was blind in one eye, he ended up serving for a few years in the Navy after that. He passed the marine physical by memorizing the reading chart in order to fool doctors about his single ocular vision status. This is, unlike most GOP chicken hawks who lied their way out of service, Bozo actually lied his way into service.

History is sometimes full of bread crumps like that.

An interesting bit of historical knowledge there and it proves the point I made earlier. Bozo the Clown has more time in the service than probably all of the Republicans combined and more than likely could make better and wiser decisions when it comes to military action than they do.

Conservatives let a little success go to their head. In this case, very little success. Without a political solution how do you expect to have rule of law? I want to know WHEN the US can extricate itself from this EXPENSIVE police state. I use the “police” term very figuratively.

“In all honestly, Iraq is a made up country by the British..”.

I stand by my abiding point. We are foreign interlopers within their “territory”.

You know, all of this Sunni-Shia sectarian violence wasn’t this bad before the invasion.

what a disappointment these democrats have been, especially the crowd that was just elected, specifically to end this frigging war…….

i say just get the hell out.

MeMyselfAndI @ 12:

In all honestly, Iraq is a made up country by the British… yet another byproduct of their legacy of “divide and conquer” nation building that was such a hit during the XIX and early XX centuries.

Good luck finding ANY country which had a virgin birth, and just naturally appeared within obvious borders. Or was the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, or the German Republic, or the Russian state, somehow also the fault of the British? It’s a preposterous view of history.

It is hardly the fault of the British that Hussein decided to attack Iran, slaughter the Kurds, invade Kuwait, and murder the Marsh Arabs, and so doing scuttle the country. Nor was it the fault of the United States that Bushco stole power, held an artificial disaster to trump up a cassus belli, and then failed to guard any of the war materiel in Iraq, in order to foment civil war and genocide. These are the actions of dictators, not nations.

An Iraqi federal state with three regions could have been extracted from this disaster had Bushco not salted the earth with high-explosives, shoot-at-will mercenaries, a new palace citadel of permanent occupation, and a stack of permanent airbases. The failure of that loose confederacy of regions is DIRECTLY the fault of Hussein and Bush. The British had little to do with it — and most people in the US have watched the rape and genocide in dismay — even with a mountain of propaganda. It would help to blame the right people, instead of pretending these are the results of actions taken seventy years ago.

The DINOs have indeed been very disappointing. Fool me once, shame on me…fool me twice..shame on ….fool me….we won’t be fooled again.

John Amato is certainly right. Baird is known here in Washington state as Bush lite since he seems more concerned about placating his conservative base in his large district that he is in than he is in getting those troops out of that quagmire as quickly as possible. Baird, like so many other Democrats and neoconservatives, is convinced that things will get worse if and when the U.S were to finally leave Iraq. As independent journalist Nir Rosen, who has spent much time in Iraq, has attempted to point out in an article in The Atlantic in late 2005, “If the occupation were to end, so, too, would the insurgency. After all, what the resistance movement has been resisting is the occupation. Who would the insurgents fight if the enemy left?” Rosen went on to note that that the reason why the Sunni Arab fighters and the clerics who support them are fighting is because of one reason: intiqaam, which is Arabic for revenge, revenge for the destruction that the Americans have caused to their homeland and to their families and for the shame that they have inflicted upon them. These feelings will continue to persist for the Iraqis as long as the Americans continue to foolishly and stupidly remain in Iraq.

michael72 @ 20:

what a disappointment these democrats have been, especially the crowd that was just elected

You probably want to check your facts, since very little of these problems result from the 2006 freshman class.

Tony Snow @ 19:

You know, all of this Sunni-Shia sectarian violence wasn’t this bad before the invasion.

And contrary to the Bush’s boldface lie, Saddam did not deal with or allow AlQeada, or whatever terrorist organization Bush likes to make up, operate in Iraq.

abarts @ 22:

The DINOs have indeed been very disappointing.

Do you live in the district of a Blue Dog? Does anyone here actually live in those districts?

Pretending that the Blue Dogs is some kind of new betrayal is to not have watched the politics of the last seven years, and to ignore those district voting histories. These are mostly Republicans who run as Democrats. They ARE DINO, by definition.

abarts @ 22:

The DINOs have indeed been very disappointing. Fool me once, shame on me…fool me twice..shame on ….fool me….we won’t be fooled again.

I have a theory on that famous Bush quote.

I think he knew exactly how the old saying went, but mid-way through he realised he should not have any sound bytes out there of himself saying “shame on me”… so he butchered the old saying on purpose.

Not content to misrepresent Baird as “anti war” Tucky also lies about Mrs Clinton’s “support” for Der Surge.Clinton was talking about the change of tactics-amnesty for tribal leaders in the Anbar Province-not Bush’s predictable,stubborn and wrong headed escalation.

The Bush administration (or mis administration) is worried because they need a “legitimate” government in Iraq to pass the oil law giving the big oil companies control of Iraq’s sovereign oil. Unless or until this happens, the U.S. military will be in Iraq in huge numbers to quell any revolts. Call it blackmail, call it coercion, call it anything you like, but that is the end game of this debacle. The Iraqi government leaders have no desire to sign over the oil. They consider it their oil as it comes from their country. It is really that simple - they have oil, we want it, they don’t want us to have it. Of course there are nuances to this plan, and they keep changing, but all the deaths of our military and civilians in Iraq are but collateral in the quest for oil power.

Joe O. @ 16:

more than likely could make better and wiser decisions when it comes to military action than they do.

The petro-military-industrial-R Congressional conspiracy knows exactly what they are doing. The wisdom of making a trillion dollars is not hard to understand.

You can’t have this list without Jim Matheson, UT-02, DINO. He touts himself (and belive me, tout is exactly the right word) as a Democrat but turns around and votes with the Rethugs over 8% of the time; the only time he votes Dem issues is on relatively safe stuff like the minimum wage increase. His father was a good Dem governor, but he’s a weasel in Dem’s clothing. He voted an enthusiastic “yay!” on all of the recent bills, to give Bush his wiretap powers, to give him a blank check, and “nay” on the recent votes to try to rein in King George. He’s one of the worst of the BushDog dems.

rdale

Patriot Scholar @ 29:

The Bush administration (or mis administration) is worried because they need a “legitimate” government in Iraq to pass the oil law giving the big oil companies control of Iraq’s sovereign oil.

Six times the House has passed laws which bar any such contract. Three times Bush has signed those laws.

In a few weeks, Congress will again debate the military appropriations bill, and the language will be back yet again. Your point is quite correct, Patriot, but I want to point out that Dems have opposed that kind of result over and over.

Bozo, who knew…I’l have o write a post on that one…

why exactly does tucker need the opinion of any congressman with a D next to their name?
economy built on war
war without end, amen.

he didn’t even go to iraq it sounds like

Musk @ 2:

Do you get the feeling that Tucker had an orgasm while Baird was talking?

I think Tucker has an orgasm when he hears Tuckers talking!

Senator Dodd’s quote above is exactly correct. For many, many, many months we have
all heard both Dems and Repigs, the Pentagon, Snowjob, bush-lite and others in his admin.
say over and over again…”This war canNOT be won militarilly, it must be won by the Iraquis
people establishing a governmental democracy”…Can’t anyone comprehend that by leaving
our troops in the middle of a country in civil war, that the only result is going to be more
and more casualties . I even heard one of the Pentagon spokespersons say as recently
as Tues. of this week that of the 16 Iraq military units, 14 were fully trained and at full force and doing their job..Since the Pentagon acknowledges that fact, let “that Army”
patrol the streets of Bagdah and re-deploy our troops out of the killing field, or better
yet, immediately commence with a troop withdrawal and rotation back to the State.
It seems so unbelievable and inconsistant… everyone seems to agree that the war
cannot be won by military force, and yet those asshole in Congress/Pentagon/White
House, will not agree to taking our fine men and women out of harms way and let
Maliki and his acknowledged trained soldiers carry out the missions in that country.

Wonder if the military baird spoke with “on the ground” were rehearsed, and told to play nice else they suffer the Tillman fate? After all, cheney/bush want this war to go on and on and on….. More money for their buddies, and in addition in bush’s case, more dead non-christians.

Dodd should not be one to criticize. He thinks impeachment is not good for the country. He is putting the election ahead of upholding the Constitution.

Ya think maybe the bush administration has been spying on democrats and has the goods on some of these turn coats? Republicans make me sick.

I can’t listen to Carlson for more than five seconds without performing ritual self-mutilation.

That’s 14 Bluedogs in congress,
And how could we forget our Bluedog senators?
Here in CO we have the cowardly ball-licking Ken Salazar.
Scare the shit out of all of them. Vote ‘em out, bit late to cough up new challenging progressive faces, however.

He should be informed now that his services will not be needed in the 111th congress.
“Karl’s-son” should spend 15 days with the 82nd Airborne on patrol.

fubar @ 39:

Dodd should not be one to criticize. He thinks impeachment is not good for the country. He is putting the election ahead of upholding the Constitution.

…impeachment not good for the country. Oh yeah. fascism is the preferable alternative, right?
This is how fucking stupid these guys are.
Don’t think anything all the way through, Dodd. Say something insane and no one will notice because we hear little else these days, fuckwad. Thank god he doesn’t have a prayer to gain the presidency. Then there’s a nightmare ticket: Clinton/Dodd.

Line them up and put them out of their (our) misery. Mercy!

crazylove @ 42:

That’s 14 Bluedogs in congress,

There are FORTY-FOUR.