ON the premiere of Real Time with Bill Maher, Tim Robbins told Cheney’s new BFF, Stephen Hayes to apologize for writing a book that tried to link al-Qaeda and Saddam so that it would appear he was in on the 9/11 attacks. And as C&L and many other blogs have been arguing is why are these people still considered “experts?”
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Robbins: You’re partly responsible, you could start with an apology. You wrote a book saying there was a connection Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda.
Hayes: You want to know why I wrote that book? Because there was a connection Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda.
Maher: No there wasn’t.
Robbins: You can lie a thousand times—it doesn’t make it true.
Everyone knows that this was more propaganda from Hayes, but it landed him a nice paycheck to write a Cheney book. The White House continually linked the two together so it made it easier for the public to accept the attack on Iraq. To the detriment of the world it worked. However, once the American people caught on to the lies of the Cheney/Bush administration—and their warmongering puppets—they turned.
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This is why the Bushies don’t want “Hollywood types” to say anything–because they call them on their bulls**t and cut to the truth.
Listen to Tim Robbins slap down Handjob Hayes and then listen to the bile filled and violent ramblings of draft dodging pervert Ted Nougat.
I am glad Tim Robbins is on my side.
As for Ted Nougat, shut up and retire.
-GSD
Damn, isn’t this the Hayes guy that got his ass whooped on the Daily Show? You’d think he’d get his rhetoric, er, I mean argument down a little better.
The term ‘connection’ can be defined in many ways.
The neocons defined it in the most flimsy, uneducated, propaganda, and slimy way they could come up with.
It’s like saying “my neighbor killed his wife yesterday and since I was his neighbor I must of had a connection to her murder”.
or “George Bush is an idiot. Therefor all Republicans are idi… Wait, this one might be true”.
Here’s the connection: both Hussein and bin Laden had human DNA. Don’t you get it?
I would like to start by saying that people like Stephen Hayes and his asshole buddies will never change their mind. Even when they know they are wrong they will continue the same way as before. The Iraq War, Global Warming, Minimum Wage, Katrina…..etc. Always the same bullshit. At least change somewhere goddamnit, before y’all get everyone killed.
Good analogy.
You have to know that any man that hangs with the likes of Susan Sarandon HAS to be a thinking man.
Generally “Hollywood Types” are no more smarter than our president. They memorize little soundbites and repeat them. Tim Robbins was stumped when Stephens Hayes quoted co-chairman of the 9/11 commision. I wish the left would stop giving actors with average intelligence airtime to debate politics with our nations intellectuals. That being said Tim Robbins is defiantly very intelligent, but I would give Bill Maher credit for cutting through Steven Hayes bulls**t.
Tim is one intelligent guy. If actor Ronald Reagan can
be our president why not Robbins? He’s a zillion times
smarter than Reagan was & can really act.
Mike @ 10:
I’ve always had a lot of respect for Robbins. Hence the name I comment under.
Just be repeating the meme often enough, these folks may have convinced themselves that Al Qaeda was operationally linked with Saddam, but that doesn’t mean the rest of us are going to put on the blinders (or in some people’s case, put back on the blinders).
All this guy is serving to accomplish with his insistence on the connection is to notify everyone that whatever he says is tainted with a heavy dose of non-reality - so don’t trust anything he says. Which may be unfair to his position, as parts of it may happen to be correct, but he will have brought it upon himself.
Not that I care. Keep destroying what little respect you have left, Hayes. Keep up the good work!
Chris @ 9:
Maher came prepared. Robbins still whooped Hayes, who should have been more prepared considering Hayes refers to himself as an Iraqi expert.
Chris @ 9:
I thought neocons hated intellectuals, and philosophers, and teachers. Wasn’t it Pres. Bush who said that there were to many intellectuals, and philosophers in Washington.
Anyways, PI is about so called political experts sharing the stage with Hollywood know it all’s. It has always been the format.
Did I just hear that right? Hayes’ retort to Robbins’ claim that Americans were “suckered” into the war by lies and propaganda, and never would have sanctioned the war if “given the facts” was, “Go back and look at the opinion polls” because “the American people supported the war at levels of 75-80 percent?”
Does it get more transparently ridiculous? More infuriating?
We only supported you because you lied to us. / Yeah, well, that’s what you get for believing us.
And a document seized from 1997 said there was a “relationship” between Hussein and bin Laden? The United States has a “relationship” with bin Laden, doesn’t it?
Holy fuck, our country has gone down the drain. Bush won’t be impeached; his administration will get away with everything; the only chance of ever pulling out of Iraq is for a Democrat to be elected president, and even then, it’s just a chance.
There are no words to express the frustration.
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Hey, I’m as anti Steven “bootblack” Hayes as the next guy but neither Robbins nor Maher slaped him down…in that clip. He slithered out of it…in that clip. Now, I didn’t see the show (and I will) and I hope they do get him nailed but they let him get out of it there. BTW, its a no brainer to punk this idiot. Maher had the quotes….Let’s hope he uses them in the part of the show not shown.
Of course Hayes is being completely disingenuous by quoting Keans, a far right partisan Republican hack who supported the illegal invasion and occupation from the get go. That’s why he was placed on the 9/11 commission; to fudge the facts and muddy the water so that no clear conclusions could be reached as to the culpability of the Bush regime for allowing 9/11 to occur by either incompetence or deliberate malfeasance. It’s not surprising that he has made statements independent of the commission designed to give ammo to the Bush regime and its supporters.
Osama bin Laden had a relationship with al Qaeda but unlike Saddam he’s still alive and breathing.
Stephen Hadley and all the other neocons continue to tell the same lies four years later, almost four thousands US dead soldiers later, a half trillion dollars later and long after 67% of Americans know it’s all been a hoax. They’re trying to stop the carnage of Bush’s Iraq debacle from killing more GOPers in ‘08.
Turned? Turned?
Sadly the American people have not turned. We progressives have.
The Dems in Congress just went along with legalizing the criminal wiretapping activities of the CheneyBush admin.
We, the American people have not “turned” in any way.
We still have a country full of cowards who are willing to give away the rights that make America special for a false sense of security fed to them by prissy posers.
God help us.
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heh…
To Stephen Hayes: A.S.S.-H.O.L.E. you’re an asshole
You missed Robbins best quote, “when you fuck up this many times, you can no longer be called an expert!”
Shorter Stephan Hayes:
“Just drink the kool-aid, and everything will be better.”
I cant believe that Hayes or any other neocon still expects anyone to buy this bullshit. There’s a WORLD of difference between having a “relationship” and having an operational partnership. By Hayes’ logic, Don Rumsfeld had a “relationship” with Hussein going back to ‘83. This man thinks we’re all suckers, to which I say “fuck you, you fucking scumbag”.
AbbeyHoffmansGhost @ 6:
Don’t you ‘war critics’ realize that there is a document, in a language you don’t understand, in a script you can’t read, that might as well be a CIA plant, that says that there was a relationship between an Iraqi intelligence officer we can’t name, and an anonymous Al-Qaeda operative?
I think Stephen Hayes has pretty much established the connection, don’t you?
What a shill.
phlounder @ 20:
Imagine if in some other country the “conservatives” spent nearly a trillion dollars (that is enough money to make 1 million people into millionaires) on say-so, third hand info and lies - after spending 60 million dollars a few years earlier trying to find a crime in a couple tens of thousands dollars discrepancy in a president’s wife’s investments - and failing at both….
….and still calling themselves the “conservative” party.
We would rightfully be laughing at them until our sides ached. But since it’s our country, well, it’s a little harder to laugh.
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A Richard Head @ 7:
Well…why should they. They got paid good money to create their propaganda.
Gotta love that Gwen, don’t ya?
‘Why couldn’t they just be wrong…why does it have to be a lie…’
She’s a thousand times better tool than the Hayes prick. Hope she got a big fat bonus fer that one!
What are you talking about? Reagan was a great actor. And… he was gorgeous when he was younger.
Tom (Not Tom) @ 26:
Yes indeed, but to the ReichWing ‘relationship’ means yer were doin’ yer wifes sister so it’s a really, really bad thing….
See?
Hayes slipped in Tom Kean’s 9-11 Commission sock puppetry, and unfortunately his partisan BS was allowed to stand during this segment. I wish Maher or Robbins would have called out Kean’s BS.
Michele Martin, another Maher panelist, was a disappointment.
Stephen Hayes is a lying sack of shit.
Now, they are looking for a new Saddam.
I think the gop should go over and run their country.
getalife @ 36:
Haven’t we caused enough destruction in Iraq? ;)
Strawberry @ 4:
But, Strawberry, really, what’s he gonna say? He’s got another book out there that he wants to sell to the people that have already had that flavor koolaid.
It seems to me that he is doing what he accuses war critics of doing… “using the quotes that suits their purposes and omits the quotes that doesn’t” Ala Cheney’s cherry picking of the evidence that said Saddam had weapons of MD, as evidenced in the Downing Street Memo that clearly stated that the US was “fitting the fact to fit the agenda”.
These guys are so good at the projection game.
Otay @ 37:
It is better for them to govern over there than over here.
Heh, as donkey said.
Hayes is an expert on war like Brownie is an expert on emergency management like Bush is an expert on linguistics.
Hayes is also cheerleading the massacre of so many people and yet the best he can contribute is a book I don’t want him to enlist, just quit talking the lies that keep the war going on. I don’t want anyone to enlist. And you Hayes, get a legitimate job.
What Country Is This? @ 5:
That’s so true. Everyone can be “connected” to anything. 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon anyone?
“Saddam once rented a limousine that had been used by someone who’s daughter’s husband had once been in a soccer tournament in Prague with Mohammed Atta’s brother.”
Karen @ 15:
Yep and The US also had a relationship to Saddam Hussein as well. I guess that makes the US Al quaeda by that logic too. If A=B and B=C then A=C, right?
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I don’t know why these actors and talk show hosts act like writers are some sainted brand of humanity. They would all have done better to simply rebut Hayes by pointing out that he HAS to buy into what he writes, or no one else will. Hayes doth therefore knoweth the side upon which his bread is buttered, I daresay.
Hayes = WHORE with a thesaurus.
Jeez, there’s a connection between me and my ex-wife too, and we’ve exchanged gunfire.
LibertyLover @ 38:
You’re right Liberty! He’s never gonna be able to turn the tide with the tripe he wrote. He’s after that squishy middle fence sitter. So going on Maher or the Daily Show makes little sense. We KNOW bullshit when we see it, and if we’re unsure, we do RESEARCH! They have no clue.
Otay @ 37:
Yes I too think they have suffered enough.
I have a “relationship” with Angelina Jolie because I watch her on my television.
Iraq had a “relationship” with Al-Qaeda in just about about the same way.
These batards are now parsing “relationship”. Amazing.
The question is, were they working together, Iraq and Al-Qaeda? And the answer is certainly, FUCK NO!