What if there was no need to raise money to run for office?

And we were to expect what, exactly?

Sometimes I wonder if anyone is payin’ attention to the MSM at all any more. I certainly don’t- or at least I don’t count on the MSM fer anything resemblin’ the truth. Fer entertainment? Sometimes. I’ve gotta feelin’ more people watch the myriad of alternative choices on cable now, whether it’s Animal Planet, The Food Network or TNT(aka the Law & Order Channel).

Am I the only one who’s got a feelin’ that the only people watchin’ the news and readin’ the papers are only doin’ so fer the sole reason of offerin’ partisan critiques?

Just wonderin’…

Where theres smoke theres fire…..fuckem all.

Andy K @ 2:

And we were to expect what, exactly?

Sometimes I wonder if anyone is payin’ attention to the MSM at all any more. I certainly don’t- or at least I don’t count on the MSM fer anything resemblin’ the truth. Fer entertainment? Sometimes. I’ve gotta feelin’ more people watch the myriad of alternative choices on cable now, whether it’s Animal Planet, The Food Network or TNT(aka the Law & Order Channel).

Am I the only one who’s got a feelin’ that the only people watchin’ the news and readin’ the papers are only doin’ so fer the sole reason of offerin’ partisan critiques?

Just wonderin’…

Personally, the only thing I watch is Mc Neil/Lehrer, Frontline, NOW, and Bill Moyers on PBS, or BBC World News. For the most part, the American MSM is little more than a lackey for their conservative corporatist masters.

I’m sorry, but the more both sides keep hammering Hillary, the more I ike her. And I’m a Clark gal.

And the ironic thing here is that Fabian was an actual employee of the campaign, whereas Hsu was merely a contributor. I’ll bet that Romney knew about it and condoned it, because they kept all the other money funneled through Fabian. It’s just another case of the repubs being more crooked at every turn, yet they point their fingers at the democrats.

bmw 528 @ 4:

Andy K @ 2:

And we were to expect what, exactly?

Sometimes I wonder if anyone is payin’ attention to the MSM at all any more. I certainly don’t- or at least I don’t count on the MSM fer anything resemblin’ the truth. Fer entertainment? Sometimes. I’ve gotta feelin’ more people watch the myriad of alternative choices on cable now, whether it’s Animal Planet, The Food Network or TNT(aka the Law & Order Channel).

Am I the only one who’s got a feelin’ that the only people watchin’ the news and readin’ the papers are only doin’ so fer the sole reason of offerin’ partisan critiques? Jesus, dude. You and I need to go shopping or camping or somethin’.

Just wonderin’…

Personally, the only thing I watch is Mc Neil/Lehrer, Frontline, NOW, and Bill Moyers on PBS, or BBC World News. For the most part, the American MSM is little more than a lackey for their conservative corporatist masters.

bmw 528 @ 4:

Andy K @ 2:

And we were to expect what, exactly?

Sometimes I wonder if anyone is payin’ attention to the MSM at all any more. I certainly don’t- or at least I don’t count on the MSM fer anything resemblin’ the truth. Fer entertainment? Sometimes. I’ve gotta feelin’ more people watch the myriad of alternative choices on cable now, whether it’s Animal Planet, The Food Network or TNT(aka the Law & Order Channel).

Am I the only one who’s got a feelin’ that the only people watchin’ the news and readin’ the papers are only doin’ so fer the sole reason of offerin’ partisan critiques?

Just wonderin’…

Personally, the only thing I watch is Mc Neil/Lehrer, Frontline, NOW, and Bill Moyers on PBS, or BBC World News. For the most part, the American MSM is little more than a lackey for their conservative corporatist masters.

Oops. See, this is why you should never drink and comment.

This is their idea of “fair and balanced”? The networks do seem to ignore much of what republicans do while dwelling on democratic candidate foibles. Is there a fix in? Is the next President simply a given? You have to wonder.

Romney, fake mormon, fake republican
With this campaign scandal, it only makes him more tantalizing and delicious to republicans. “he’s got what it takes!”
He’s tall ,too.

Sun Myung Moon has spent BILLIONS finding the rise of the theocratic right the last 25 years. 3 billion on the Washington Times alone - it will never make a dime. Moonie Millions for Falwell, LaHaye and to bail out fright mail guru Richard Viguerie. Millions funding Moon front groups designed to bring about Moon’s vision of a right wing, homophobic, theocratic America. Millions and free labor for Moon fronts like the American Freedom Coalition. The AFC at one time had over 300,000 members and was called one of the two most powerful conservative grassroots organizations in the country. The money comes from overseas and according to Moon’s own daughter law is laundered into the country, mostly from Japan.

Top all that off with the fact that non citizen Moon’s organization has been found guilty of swindling hundreds of millions of dollars from the Japanese targeting widows. The group fighting these frauds says the damages to the Japanese runs several BILLION US dollars. One lady was awarded 2.4 million USD just last year.

Absent this money the right wouldn’t be as far right, nor as theocratic and would NEVER have gained all three branches of the government in 2001 and would not be turning the Supreme Court into a theofascist dreamland.

And you won’t see damn thing about any of this subject at MediaMatters, NBC, C&L, TPM, TP…NO ONE will mention it. Splain that one Lucy.

Some details here.

Once again, it’s the point of character in a similar set of circumstances that would theoretically make or break the level of interest in each respective story. But like always, it won’t.

I think Hillary’s woes make it obvious how difficult it is for the candidate themselves to actually know where all the money is coming from. What do you do when you find out? Well, Hillary gave it all away to charity, and it appears to be a paltry sum at that. (Though who knows if she got more out of Hsu and isn’t telling.)

No Republican would ever bother making a gesture that indicts themselves as having a negative connection.

Time to send some emails. Tomorrow would be the a better time as today is a holiday. Wednesday would be better.
bill@BILLPRESS.COM
evening@cbsnews.com
ctc-editor@tribune.com
hardball@msnbc.com
dsaunders@sfchronicle.com
james@edschultzshow.com
countdown@msnbc.com
letters@latimes.com
wendy@edschultzshow.com
viewerservices@msnbc.com
dan.abrams@msnbc.com
Nightly@NBC.com
letters@nytimes.com
rebekah@stephaniemiller.com
MTP@NBC.com
letters@washingtonpost.com
ombudsman@washpost.com

Somebody get a picture of Romney and Fabian together and it’ll get a lot more coverage. Pictures, like the one of Hsu and Hillary, make it easier for the media to tell the story.

Strawberry @ 8:

Oops. See, this is why you should never drink and comment.

I thought I was seeing double.

Some things never change. All politicions are corrupt, we are still in Iraq, Bush is still pResident, and soon all these crooks are going to give Bush another 50 billion for he and his cronies to steal. but first they are going to have to raise the debt limit to 10 plus trillion dollars. New Orleans is still a cluster fucking mess. All the repurbs are still fucking hors or sucking dicks. All the poor are getting poorer and the rich are getting richer. The sun comes up and the sun goes down, and life goes on until we die, but we always leave a mess for the next generation to clean up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I watch The News Hour pretty regularly, and I listen to NPR. I watch the local news occasionally, and only for the weather or local sports scores. My hometown newspaper does a dishonor to any fish wrapped in it.

I haven’t seen any polls lately that tell how many folks rely on the MSM fer their news, but I wonder, if ya break down whatever the results may be, that many people tune in fer weather, sports and “consumer awareness” news and zone out when “hard” news- whether honest and reliable or not- is on.

As fer the partisanship I mentioned earlier, I don’t watch O’Reilly(or, at least, I didn’t when I had cable) or listen to Rush(though I’ve worked in places where his show is on). I don’t read the WSJ. But I’m sure I’ve got a mirror out there who doesn’t watch Olberman or read the NYT.

We think, in 2007, that news should be fair and balanced. It’s an idea that we got from Murrow and Cronkite, from the NYT of the middle to late 20th century. But in the late 18th century and runnin’ through the early 20th century the media- because of the technology of the times the print media- was very partisan. There were Democratic papers, Federalist papers, Whig papers, Abolitionist papers, Labor papers…. Perhaps the idea of middle-of-the-road concensus was merely a creation of the mid-20th century media itself.

And, specifically, that imaginary concensus was created by networks of the broadcast medium. After all, before radio, while some cities might contain Hearst Syndicate papers, many cities had independent newspapers- the New York Times, the Chicago Tribune, etc.- that offered perspectives unique to the communities in which they were published. But with the advent of radio, all of America heard the news from NBC, Mutual or CBS and a national concensus was formed and influenced by the entities that controlled those networks.

It’s a good thing to critique the MSM, imo. But I don’t think that we should expect the MSM to change. It’s up to us to offer the counter-arguments to the MSM. And that’s what the netroots are doin’.

For the most part, the American MSM is little more than a lackey for their conservative corporatist masters.
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and for the remaining part it appeals to lowest common denominator, but not even in a news sense, but in an National Enquirer sense….gah, who could have guessed so many years ago when you chuckled at the Enquirer cover in line at the grocery store that this would be the direction of all MSM in the future? Other than Murdoch I mean.

Good advice Kaptain K send them some mail and ask them to speak out.

And while you all are writing them ask them why they NEVER _ NEVER _NEVER report this.

Even liberal media outlets are afraid or too uninformed to touch the real problem that has been subverting the nation. They are all afraid to admit he isn’t the clown they have been telling themselves he is. Hell, he openly brags about being involved in the six ways talks over North Korea and HE IS.

NOT A PEEP.

Think about that and ask yourself why.

Quoting James Whelan, the first editor of Moon’s Washington Times.

“They (the Moonies) are subverting our political system. They’re doing it through front organizations–most of them disguised–and through their funding of independent organizations–through the placement of volunteers in the inner sanctums of hard-pressed organizations. In every instance–in every instance–those who attend their conferences, those who accept their money or their volunteers, delude themselves that there is no loss of virtue because the Moonies have not proselytized. That misses the central, crucial point: the Moonies are a political movement in religious clothing. Moon seeks power, not the salvation of souls. To achieve that, he needs religious fanatics as his palace guard and shock troops. But more importantly, he needs secular conscripts–seduced by money, free trips, free services, seemingly endless bounty and booty–in order to give him respectability and, with it, that image of influence which translates as power.”

Hey now. Don’t be too hard on our MSM friends. Why just look at the things I wouldn’t know about if not for CNN.com:

–There is a hurricane bearing down on Central America
–When two little girls fall down a mine, and one dies, the parents are distraught
–The movie Halloween set a Labor Day record
–A chihuahua has won the ‘fastest’ title
–A little boy has died digging a sand tunnel

I could go on. There is simply a plethora of earth-shattering, very important news there. While sites like this one are wasting their time whining about a lying president, people dying in war, subversion of the constitution, etc., I still have to rely on the MSM to tell me the real important stuff like this.

Andy K @ 17:

bmw 528 -

I watch The News Hour pretty regularly, and I listen to NPR. I watch the local news occasionally, and only for the weather or local sports scores. My hometown newspaper does a dishonor to any fish wrapped in it.

I haven’t seen any polls lately that tell how many folks rely on the MSM fer their news, but I wonder, if ya break down whatever the results may be, that many people tune in fer weather, sports and “consumer awareness” news and zone out when “hard” news- whether honest and reliable or not- is on.

As fer the partisanship I mentioned earlier, I don’t watch O’Reilly(or, at least, I didn’t when I had cable) or listen to Rush(though I’ve worked in places where his show is on). I don’t read the WSJ. But I’m sure I’ve got a mirror out there who doesn’t watch Olberman or read the NYT.

We think, in 2007, that news should be fair and balanced. It’s an idea that we got from Murrow and Cronkite, from the NYT of the middle to late 20th century. But in the late 18th century and runnin’ through the early 20th century the media- because of the technology of the times the print media- was very partisan. There were Democratic papers, Federalist papers, Whig papers, Abolitionist papers, Labor papers…. Perhaps the idea of middle-of-the-road concensus was merely a creation of the mid-20th century media itself.

And, specifically, that imaginary concensus was created by networks of the broadcast medium. After all, before radio, while some cities might contain Hearst Syndicate papers, many cities had independent newspapers- the New York Times, the Chicago Tribune, etc.- that offered perspectives unique to the communities in which they were published. But with the advent of radio, all of America heard the news from NBC, Mutual or CBS and a national concensus was formed and influenced by the entities that controlled those networks.

It’s a good thing to critique the MSM, imo. But I don’t think that we should expect the MSM to change. It’s up to us to offer the counter-arguments to the MSM. And that’s what the netroots are doin’.

Agree with you. Journalistic integrity and impartiality such as we experienced with Chet Huntley, David Brinkley and Walter Cronkite have been replaced by manipulative corporate partisans who use their flaccid media puppets to deliver their slanted message. Unfortunately, the Neocons sincerely believe that the ends justify the means–Fox Ooze is the living example of the “whorehouse network” the movie Network satirized–except it’s a reality.

I think it’s hard to claim left/right media bias when the primary subject in question is Hillary Clinton. I mean she is SO hated by the right and frankly I bet many on the left that don’t actively support her also hate her. So maybe not a case of anti-left bias, but just anti-Hillary bias?

I mean, take Hillary out of the equation and say its just a story about Hsu and Obama, still big media coverage? I don’t think so.

Still crappy journalism by the MSM no doubt about it.

A.Political @ 18:

For the most part, the American MSM is little more than a lackey for their conservative corporatist masters.
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and for the remaining part it appeals to lowest common denominator, but not even in a news sense, but in an National Enquirer sense….gah, who could have guessed so many years ago when you chuckled at the Enquirer cover in line at the grocery store that this would be the direction of all MSM in the future? Other than Murdoch I mean.

I thought the movie Network was satire—little did I realize that UBS was the predecessor of the Fox Network.

The media are getting stooped backs from carrying Romney’s water. “shoulders you can land a 737 on”-Roger Simon “straight back like Reagan”-O’Reilly “son looks like Tom Brady”-some newspaper writer “smells great”-CNN reporter

[Deleted. Wacko]

You don’t hear much about Rev Moon’s media control because he is King of America and doesn’t want you to know.

Just thought I’d pass that along http://www.google.com/search?q.....tartPage=1

Controversial Korean evangelist and self-declared messiah Sun Myung Moon received a “Crown of Peace” at a March 23 ceremony that took place at the Dirksen Senate Office Building in Washington, D.C., and was promoted by members of Congress.

Wearing flowing robes reminiscent of Middle Ages kingly attire, Moon and his wife, Hak Ja Han, had golden crowns placed on their heads during the ceremony, which was attended by a U.S. senator and several members of the House of Representatives.
It was clear that Moon followers viewed the coronation ceremony as more than just an award. On Moon’s Family Federation for World Peace and Unification website a few days later, top Moon official Chung Hwan Kwak was quoted as saying, “So in effect, the crowning means America is saying to Father, ‘Please become my king.’”

Moon’s group was able to get access to the Senate building thanks to an influential friend: U.S. Sen. Mark Dayton (D-Minn.), who attended the event. Also attending were six members of the House of Representatives: Reps. Roscoc G. Bartlett (R-Md.), Christopher B. Cannon (R-Utah), Curt Weldon (R-Pa.), Danny K. Davis (D-IlL), Harold E. Ford (D-Tenn.) and Sanford D. Bishop Jr. (D-Ga.).

The House members were listed as “Congressional Co-Chairs” of the event on invitations. “Invitational Committee” members included U.S. Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), former U.S. Sen. Larry Pressler (R-S.D.), U.S. Rep. Phillip M. Crane (R-IlL), U.S. Rep. Thomas M. Davis (R-Va.) and U.S. Rep. Eddie B. Johnson (D-Texas).

But his greatest sin according to media reports was making his dog ride on the roof of the car.

bmw 528 @ 20:

Andy K @ 17:

bmw 528 -

I watch The News Hour pretty regularly, and I listen to NPR. I watch the local news occasionally, and only for the weather or local sports scores. My hometown newspaper does a dishonor to any fish wrapped in it.

I haven’t seen any polls lately that tell how many folks rely on the MSM fer their news, but I wonder, if ya break down whatever the results may be, that many people tune in fer weather, sports and “consumer awareness” news and zone out when “hard” news- whether honest and reliable or not- is on.

As fer the partisanship I mentioned earlier, I don’t watch O’Reilly(or, at least, I didn’t when I had cable) or listen to Rush(though I’ve worked in places where his show is on). I don’t read the WSJ. But I’m sure I’ve got a mirror out there who doesn’t watch Olberman or read the NYT.

We think, in 2007, that news should be fair and balanced. It’s an idea that we got from Murrow and Cronkite, from the NYT of the middle to late 20th century. But in the late 18th century and runnin’ through the early 20th century the media- because of the technology of the times the print media- was very partisan. There were Democratic papers, Federalist papers, Whig papers, Abolitionist papers, Labor papers…. Perhaps the idea of middle-of-the-road concensus was merely a creation of the mid-20th century media itself.

And, specifically, that imaginary concensus was created by networks of the broadcast medium. After all, before radio, while some cities might contain Hearst Syndicate papers, many cities had independent newspapers- the New York Times, the Chicago Tribune, etc.- that offered perspectives unique to the communities in which they were published. But with the advent of radio, all of America heard the news from NBC, Mutual or CBS and a national concensus was formed and influenced by the entities that controlled those networks.

It’s a good thing to critique the MSM, imo. But I don’t think that we should expect the MSM to change. It’s up to us to offer the counter-arguments to the MSM. And that’s what the netroots are doin’.

Agree with you. Journalistic integrity and impartiality such as we experienced with Chet Huntley, David Brinkley and Walter Cronkite have been replaced by manipulative corporate partisans who use their flaccid media puppets to deliver their slanted message. Unfortunately, the Neocons sincerely believe that the ends justify the means–Fox Ooze is the living example of the “whorehouse network” the movie Network satirized–except it’s a reality.

Well, I probably didn’t make myself clear enough…Cronkite, Huntley, Murrow, etc. were, imo, part of the problem. There must have been dissent to the news as they presented it, but who really saw that dissent? Because there was no obvious dissent, we tend to sentimentally enshrine these men as fair arbiters of the truth. Certainly there were instances when these men showed some bravery- Murrow’s fight with McCarthy and Cronkite’s denunciation of the Vietnam War leap to mind- but, fer the most part these men toed the company line. The lack of a challenge to Bushco’s Iraq/WMD evidence was stunningly reminiscent of the MSM’s initial reaction to the Gulf of Tonkin Incident.

No, those golden years of the MSM seem cheap to me because there was no standard against which, in those times, to judge the MSM.

My, my…how did the liberal media miss this?

the msm will position hillary as the pre-emptive front-running Dem and all the while demonizing hillary at every opportunity.

That way, after she gets the nomination, they can demonize her to help the repug candidate(s).

They have it all planned, even the support from Murdoch.

For that matter, how much press did the cocaine charges against Rudy Giulaini’s SC campaign chair Thomas Ravanel garner? Hardly a peep.

The crowning of Moon is another thing Moon did that makes people think he is a clown. But he was swindling billions and funding the right years before that happened. You linked to google search so who knows what article you quoted but this:

Moon’s group was able to get access to the Senate building thanks to an influential friend: U.S. Sen. Mark Dayton (D-Minn.), who attended the event.

That is a bullshitting moonie deception, poor reporting or troll driven. Sen John Warner (R-Va) rented the room. Dayton was targeted by a scam, had no knowledge Moon was involved, had his picture taken with a constituent and wasn’t there for more than ten minutes. The Moonies didn’t roll sata..n, er a Moon out and crown him till long after Dayton left. Moon needed a white liberal to smear and he found one. Even Moon’s operative admitted Dayton had no idea Moon was involved.

There are some naive and foolish democrats who send Moon greetings. However, Moon has spent billions funding the rights’s rise to power and other than a few thousand in speaking fees over 30 years he has spent about zero on anything liberal. He is a right wing theocratic fascist.

The fact that you quoted that as you did without comment is a problem, liberals are uninformed.

The Bushes on the other hand, have taken over 3 million from Moon just since 43 took office.

Is there anyone on the left who knows shit about the guy who spent billions screwing our democracy? Other than he conned some people into giving him a room to be crowned and the “Franklin CoverUp” (which btw wasn’t anything remotely about what most liberals discuss.) Liberals wouldn’t know an issue if it bit them on the keester.

It’s not just he MSM, include the Huffington Post.

and another thing

You don’t hear much about Rev Moon’s media control

That is just one part of it and he gets away with that because liberals won’t educate themselves to know his media isn’t independent of his goals and plans. The right will tell you the Washington Times is “independent” of Moon. Any of you know how to reply to them? You could start with, and I mean &