The danger of having “intellectually incurious” people in charge of foreign policy…
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When asked by a reporter how long he thought the American people would be willing to wait for Bush to force the Iraqi government to reach benchmark goals, Bush veered bizarrely into a claim that Saddam was responsible for the deaths of the “Mandelas”.
Part of the reason why there is not this instant democracy in Iraq is because people are still recovering from Saddam Hussein’s brutal rule. I thought an interesting comment was made when somebody said to me, I heard somebody say, where’s Mandela? Well, Mandela is dead, because Saddam Hussein killed all the Mandelas. He was a brutal tyrant that divided people up and split families, and people are recovering from this. So there’s a psychological recovery that is taking place. And it’s hard work for them. And I understand it’s hard work for them. Having said that, I’m not going the give them a pass when it comes to the central government’s reconciliation efforts.
Um, WTF??? Not only is Nelson Mandela very much alive, but he’s also been very vocally critical of the Bush Adminstration:
“What I am condemning is that one power, with a president who has no foresight, who cannot think properly, is now wanting to plunge the world into a holocaust.”[..]
“If there is a country that has committed unspeakable atrocities in the world, it is the United States of America. They don’t care.”
Maybe it was a bit of strange projection on the part of Bush to want another critic gone…something others in this administration have some experience with as well.
UPDATE: Obviously not everyone understands mangled metaphors: After Bush remark, Mandela Foundation issues statement that former President is still alive.
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Man, he looks terribly confused and out of touch with reality. I would suggest a vacation, but he’s been on more than any other President in history already.
Where the hell did THAT come from? Chimpy’s brain seems to be short circuiting.
He’s looking bad. Circles under the eyes, puffy. Yep, things are bad. In addition to the craziness of what he said.
I wonder if he meant manatees?
Saddam Hussein killed all the manatees in Iraq.
Breaking up manatee families, etc.
I cross between laughing my ass off or running to the backyard to finish my bomb shelter.
what a useless piece of ape excrement! er shit!
Not to excuse his toxic brain syndrome, but perhaps he meant that anyone who might serve as Iraq’s version of Nelson Mandela is dead, because Hitler, er, I mean Saddam killed them all…
W…….T……..F!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
He’s bat shit crazy….
Eesh, C&L…Bush is just mangling another metaphor, as he often does. “Mandela” in this case merely refers to the forces of sane and courageous dissent against a corrupt and violent dictatorship. The actual Mandela is very much alive, but the forces of dissent under Saddam’s reign were killed by Saddam.
Naturally, Bush is utterly unaware of the irony of himself, of all people, lauding the necessity and virtue of dissent against a corrupt and violent administration.
Did someone put a pencil in his ear while he was passed out on the floor, then kick it as hard as they could? Only explaination I can think of for this stuff.
He has become increasingly fuddled - maybe drugs (prescribed or otherwise) maybe dementia (years of alcohol abuse catching up with him) maybe stress from working so hard to ignore the obvious.
I actually think this may be the rare instance where what he said *isn’t* as dumb as it sounds. Here’s what I think he’s trying to say:
“people are asking me ‘where is the Nelson Mandela for Iraq? When will that kind of figure step forward?’ The problem is that Saddam Hussein’s government killed the very people that today might have take on the role that Mandela did in South Africa.”
Maybe I’m giving him too much credit and I don;t particularly agree with the sentiment but look at it a minute. Doesn’t that sound like an argument the administration might try? And if Bush tried it wouldn;t he have butchered it to sound like what he said today?
Uh folks, I think you’re taking Bush too literally. I believe he was referring to an Iraqi version of Mandela, a leader that the people could rally around.
Bush is stupid, but even he’s not THAT stupid!
Sheesh. He was obviously referring to Iraq’s version of Nelson Mandela. The statement is dumb enough without you distorting it, thank you.
I don’t get it. I really don’t get it. For the love of God, how did our country get saddled with this idiot? It is almost impossible for me to believe, but every word, every statement that this moron ejaculates still flabbergasts me anew. You would think that I would be numb by now.
My God in heaven! Save us from this perpetual Hell we have been placed in!
Tlaloc @ 15:
Absolutely. And I have no doubt that Bush considers himself the “Mandela” of Iraq. L freakin’ O L.
anonymous @ 12:
exactly
this post is embarrassing.
George W. Bush is a joke. All his big bad talk about wiping out terrorists, then he turns around and lets the man who is undoubtedly at the top of that list come strolling into the country to speak at the UN. I am speaking of course about that state sponsor of terrorism and supplier of arms against our troops Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
The mask is now offically off. Bush is a terroist sympathizer.
I usually like this site because of the information you guys post here. However, in this case, I think he was just speaking figuratively. I don’t think it does your cause much good to grasp at stuff like this and try to turn it into something it isn’t. A better approach would be to maybe challenge his assertion that there’s no Iraqi left that could perform the role of a Mandela for Iraq because “Saddam killed them all”. I think that assertion is a cop out.
Where did that one come from? “Hussein killed the Mandellas” goes well beyond “brain fart” or “left field” I mean I can’t even fathom what point he was trying to make. It’s like that gibberish text that graphic designers use as placeholders in layouts or one of those spam poems.
Maybe that’s his plan! Blurt out moronic non-sequiturs to confuse people. Cunning Bastard!
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You’re working hard to put food on your family.
Why does this man open his pie hole?
Ya, he is clearly talking about where is an Iraqi Mandela, there are not any Iraqi Mandelas because Saddam had all the people who might be the equivalent of a Mandela for Iraq killed.
Sorry the only braindeadness here is from people who couldn’t understand what he is saying.
But I agree the guy can’t speak well, lets move on, this is a non anything.
What the hell is this JOKER talking about now? Just when I thought he had completely gone over the edge, he redefines CRAZY. Scary scary man.
Got to ask, what the hell did he mean by instant democracy?
Man, whatever he’s smoking I need to stay away from. “Saddam killed the Mandelas”? I mean what……
Nicole, friend, you just misunderstood. I hate Bush, but what he said makes perfect sense (Sadaam killed all those who would be a Mandela in Iraq). Delete this post.
This is the most bizarre excuse I’ve heard for what is going on in Iraq yet. Mandela fought the Apartheid government. He advocated violent struggle against them (rightfully). And that’s why he was in jail. If Bush knew Jack Shit, he would have invoked Ghandi.
Tlaloc @ 15:
That makes sense. But the chimperor did not think that up himself. It’s a GOP talking point that they tried to plant in his head…and it died there.i
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Completely ’round the bend. Hey bush! Steer us into the sun you wild-eyed drooling retard!
I’m not even going to say it…
But didn’t Cheney and friends think of Mandela as a TERRORIST???
Cheney “opposed the resolution to free Mandela, according to Cheney, because it was attached to recognition of the African National Congress.
“The ANC was then viewed as a terrorist organization,” he said.
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/45c/210.html
So if Saddam was killin terrerists! Wouldn’t that make him our FRIEND???
Ok so that was a lil intellectually dishonest, but you get what I mean heh Round and Round we go!
No more Mandelas? those things are pretty.
What a jack ass! This idiot is a menace.
Can we impeach him for just being stupid? Please?
anonymous @ 12:
I think you’re correct. Among the myriad bonehead theories the neo-cons dreamed up in their think tanks was that once Hussein was deposed, the Iraqi Thomas Jeffersons, James Madisons, Nelson Mandelas and Martin Luther Kings would automatically gravitate toward lives of public service, and create a whole new kind of republic for the Middle East. They were naive enough to believe it was just that simple, and were ready (prior to the war, and 9/11, even) to accuse anyone who disagreed of racism. (”What? You think the American experiment can’t happen with brown people?”)
It didn’t happen. Why not? Well, the Oval Office Orangutan is trying to explain why not — the way it was probably just explained to him a few minutes before this speech, though his brain didn’t quite process it. It didn’t happen because Hussein was so bad that the Jeffersons, Madisons, Mandelas and Kings were killed before we invaded.
Yeah. Clears it all up for me. That’s clearly why there’s no instant democracy in Iraq.
Fucking idiots. You know, even if that stupid neo-con theory were viewed in its best light, there was no instant democracy here either. In fact, we’re still fighting for it, and the historic battle sees a saw-toothed trajectory of progress. I just hope our current backsteps don’t doom us altogether.
Nicole Belle - Your attempt to make Bush look foolish (usually so easy to do) has actually backfired and made you look foolish. Them’s the breaks.
I hate to say it, but “salt” has a point. Bush isn’t a very complicated man, and not particularly prone to literary devises, but it’s pretty clear to me that he’s answering “someone’s” rhetorical question of “where is the Nelson Mandela of Iraq” with the same figurative term. That isn’t to say what he said isn’t ridiculous. It is. It is precisely from such brutal authorities that Mandelas are made. If Bush had left Iraq alone, he (or she) might well have come to power through more natural processes. But instead he blew up Baghdad, led a divisive occupation, and basically sprayed Roundup (TM) all over everything, killing flowers and weeds alike (to mix metaphors shamelessly).
Yes, yes. He meant the Nelson Mandela of Iraq.
Sadly, he didn’t provide the correct answer, which is that if there was one around ten years ago, the United States is overwhelmingly more likely than Sadaam to have killed him (or driven him into exile).
-fred
Bizarre. This is worse than Reagan with his killer trees.
Why didn’t Bush meet with Saddam before the invasion and look into his soul?
I wish we were in a golden age where discussion could be without conceit. Of course Bush is using metaphor..when someone(??!) asks, “where’s Mandela?” they are asking where’s the equivalent person to lead the Iraqis as a populist hero.
But we are not in a golden age. Bush would never allow such an uprising. In fact the entire Iraq effort is to smash every bourgeoning potential liberation of the Iraqis, as did Bush Sr. at the end of the Gulf War 1. Does gaming the oil and arms markets with his longtime Saudi friends have a familiar ring?
Maybe he was talking about Iraq’s Mandella- But why do we have to figure out what he’s trying to say? Should not the President of the United States be smart enough to say what he means to say?
Saddam destroyed all the mandolins! There’s not one to be found! Maybe Chimpy’s just suffering from pretzel dysphagia again. (I wish!).
yoshikawa @ 31:
It can’t make perfect sense if you had to add to it to clarify it. Generally, when people are trying to speak figuratively, they are able to explain what they mean. Bush did not.
anonymous @ 12:
Yeah i’d have to agree here. He tried tot use a metaphor but WOW did he botch it. And definitely the irony of it is WAY too funny. At the very least i hope the original post is edited to reflect this point; it would be much more relevant that way.
…Sorry, forgot to add that the rest of the “Resident’s” (the spelling is correct for he ain’t won nothing) comments were bizarre, false, insensitive to the Iraqi people, delusional, and more of the Neocon lie machine. They make the Hitlericans look like amateurs. You people have lost your minds…..
Bill @ 46:
In reality… yes. But we’re all in Bushworld now.
Someone gave him a metaphor and he butchered it. Much like his treatment of the entire English language.
Tlaloc @ 15:
Why should bloggers be left to try to reconstruct what the President of the United States is “trying to say?” This man is just too stupid to be in public office. “It’s hard work” Here we go again with his stupid simpilistic mantras.