Countdown: Jim Webb on Lieberman/Kyl, Rush Limbaugh and the Spanish Downing Street Revelations
By Nicole Belle Thursday Sep 27, 2007 9:08pm
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It's dizzying to try to keep up with all the plates that the Right Wing are spinning. On Thursday's Countdown, Keith Olbermann and Sen. Jim Webb try to put it all in perspective.
(On the Spanish "Downing Street" memos) There's no real surprise there. If you look back at where the situation was in '02, I and General Tony Zinni and other people were saying that Iraq probably would have been sixth highest in terms of the threats to the United States. In fact, I wrote a piece in the Washington Post five years ago this month, basically saying "Do you really want to be in Iraq for the next 30 years?" and that these people have no exit strategy because they don't intend to leave.
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Shouldn't that be "los calle Downing nota?"
A really fine analysis here. I wish all Americans could hear and comprehend it. And then we could get rid of bush/cheney before they mess things up even further.
yeah and webbs not going to lead us out either, once a repuke allways a repuke!
Mark @ News Corpse @ 1:
¡El Presidente esta se chingando los Estados Unidos!
KO seemed to be under the mis-impression that we had to pay the $1 billion Sadaam wanted to take into exile.
tyree @ 3:
But at least with Webb our troops will be better rested for the fucking they are going to continue to get.
2 late
2 weak
4 me
Yeah, Webb was...shall we say...less than impressive? I suppose once a member of the MI Complex always unwilling to tell the truth about what that swamp of corruption and cronyism is up to....
Is anyone surprised at this, or that Saddam was willing to leave or that the Intel was fixed. All this shit is old news or no news at all. Blood is on the hand of every American cause of this man.
never in my lifetime have i felt this sad for my country, the whole country seems to be under some kind of depression, the depression started in 2000 got worse on 9/11, went manic during Katrina and with each day this man is in office a cloud of sadness will hang over this great country.
I do see a light at the end of the tunnel that light is the up coming election. Rudy said " Think God George Bush Was In Office during 9/11" I say Think God there's A Election coming up.
My real hope is that the Dem's take more house and senate sets so some real work can get done.
Blue Buddha @ 4:
SI! El Presidente es un grande borracho y un grande culo..............no?
Now, see, if that were a real United States Senator, he'd be telling Keith that he was helping to make sure the House would bring articles of impeachment, but instead he shrugs, "Eh, what can you do?"
while Webbs motives seem to be all and good.....but for some reason (I can't explain)...I don't trust him very much.....but for right now....he'll do.
Good 'ol Jimmy-boy F#cked us AGAIN TODAY! That's twice Jimmy-boy has rolled over for his republican, NO TIMELINE tummy-rub! What a lying fraud! He also sold us out and voted with his republican circle-jerk pals on the NSA illegal spying. Then Webb cowers with Lieberman to vote to denounce the ridiculous MoveOn ad resolution. Has Jimmy-boy actually taken a stand on ANYTHING that disagrees or challenges Bush? NOPE! ( Jimmy-boy's laughing his @ss off about how the voters actually BOUGHT that bongwater about his "ending the war!")
Guess those boots Jimmy-boy was waving around aren't designed to stand your ground.. Jimmy-boy, you're a disgrace!
KUCINICH/FEINGOLD '08 The only sane choice.
Robert @ 9:
this is great but how do you know whos the dem and whos the the repig dressed like a dem?
So Jim is trying to recover from the damage he has done? Sorry, Jim. Too late. You and the Dems have made your beds and ours. Whether by the FISA crap that you passed, or the Kyl crap that your colleagues passed. Not even including the batshit insane attack against MoveOn that you helped pass.
So just do us all a favor and STFU now. You guys are done.
"Nota del Calle Downing," verdad?
tyree @ 14:
It's getting easier to tell. Look at Gulianni and Clinton: both are corporatist republicans and both wear dresses.
Also, Jim Webb is a reasonable, well-spoken and thoughtful senator. Seems like a good man.
fiver @ 17:
yes but with clinton we get twofers hillry and bill , maby bill will get hillery to fuck us on an upgrade of nafta
theOtherJK @ 18:
yes hes a great repig!
Question: If someone doesn't agree with you 100% of the time, does that make him/her a dick?
Show me a politician you agree with all the time and I'll show you someone who is only looking to get re-elected!
theOtherJK @ 18:
Good one! Thought you were serious there for a minute! Here's DINO Webb's vote last night giving bush another %#@*! blank check...just like his first one....
http://senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm...
What a Bastard! At least Feingold had some huevos...appears he's the only one!
GonzoD @ 21:
the answer to your question is yes it makes him a dick!
without a doubt, there is respect for jim webb. i can only hope that he doesn't get advisors who smooth him over so much that his message loses meaning. when the top dems in the debate declare that the war will last years longer, webb doesn't step out and call it what it is. he's into making excuses for them as to why they said what they said. we need an immediate pullout and allow the dust to settle. no gradual pullout, no peace-keeping force, just head out the back, jack. leave. allow that country to settle on its own. we created the chaos, why do we have to keep it going. because king george and his dominions tell us the terrible things that will happen if we leave. and you all know we can believe everything they say we are the caretakers, the people. don't count on your elected officials, don't look to the media, look to yourselves.
No wonder we don't see anymore trolls on this site. No need! Plenty of people already here willing to bash Democrats!
Usually, it's Hillary. Welcome to the club, Senator Webb!
GonzoD @ 21:
No kidding Gonzo, after hearing all this democrat bashing on a liberal blog, I've decided to vote for Mitt Romney just to be a bitch.
these people have no exit strategy because they don’t intend to leave.
I just want to say how shocked I am that Senator Webb is accusing General Petraeus of lying to the American people. We can't win this war when our brave troops and their leaders are attacked by blah blah blah complain to John Cornyn!
tyree @ 23:
Then you must have a very narrow view of the country and the world.
GonzoD @ 28:
guess maby ive just seen a lot more of it then you have!
Strawberry @ 26:
now,now,now.......we know you better than that...but the scary thought is some people might not go out and vote....Ya Know....I wouldn't put it past them to try to do just that.............................................................................................................................................And I'd never say you were a beeeeeeotch
tyree @ 29:
Touche!
Hey, did Webb ever complain about Rush's "phony soldiers" remark, or does he just slam criticism from people who are against the war?
we're going to be in Iraq forever. "Vital American interests" while we still use 19th century internal combustion engines in our cars
Congressional Democrat bashing? It couldn't possibly hurt them anymore then they have hurt themselves; the Dems have brought their own rating down to the low teens. Nobody can help them out of this except themselves. And all I see is talk, no action, and musical chairs on who is the next Dem congresscritter to vote for or against a resolution - the names change but the number of stupid votes doesn't. In fact, the number of stupid votes seems to be going up, not down.
nsr @ 32:
He does; it's in the video.
Otay @ 34:
well put!!!!!!!!!!!
mudshark @ 30:
Leave it to us dems to fight amongst ourselves when we've got the repugs are on the ropes.
Bill Maher looks pretty good tonight.....it's been awhile.
these assholes can vote for shit that doesnt help the democratic party in the least bit but when it comes to getting the real job done thier just so many farts in the wind!kucinich 08
James Webb: "Eisenhower took the right kind of action, for the benefit of the American people & for the health of our relations around the world. We call on this president to take similar action, in both areas. If he does, we will join him. If he does not, we will be showing him the way."
Source: Democratic response to 2007 State of the Union address Jan 23, 2007
How's that Jimmy-boy? By grabbing your ankles & giving 'this president' so much money that he drowns in $1000.00 bills? By surrendering our privacy protections without blinking? By cowering with Lieberman to attack free (and accurate) speech? Webb is a bush-suck republican, through and through.
Strawberry @ 37:
Democrats have given Bush his fully funded war, warrantless search power, an excuse to bomb Iran, immunity from impeachment, probable immunity for past illegal spying... the list goes on. What more could a Republican Congress have given him?
We've got the Republicans on the ropes? Bush is laughing.
fiver @ 41:
Bingo! Well put.
I don't trust a single word out of Webb's mouth. He has sold us out too many times to be trusted any longer and I began to wonder after he voted to allow the government to spy on us whether or not he is a plant from the right.
Retired Navy @ 43:
like i allways say once a republican allways a republican!
I guess Webb sucks - bring back Allen!
GonzoD @ 45:
reagan democrats ever hear of them
Strawberry @ 37:
Condemning the progressive wing of your own party for a completely factual ad, and voting to blame Iran for what's gone wrong with Iraq, are not acceptable. And it's not bickering to say so. This is a fundamental disconnect between us and the people who purport to represent us.
And it's not just on Iraq. Nancy Pelosi is pushing through an expansion of NAFTA because it's what K Street wants, not the voters. They don't think enough of us are paying attention to cause them any trouble. This isn't how I expected a Democratic-controlled Congress to behave-- you can't even say it's because her majority is too slim, which is the excuse Reid's pulling. They're simply not standing up for us. And I'm done being quiet about it.
GonzoD @ 45:
Like the votes woulda been different???
nsr @ 47:
Thank YOU! Keep talking! Never forget the screwing these 'savior Dems' are giving us after breaking our necks to get 'em into office.
hanshiro @ 48:
tyree @ 46:
I give up! Vote for Gravel / Kucinich!
GonzoD @ 50:
bet your ass ,
tyree @ 51:
Might as well vote for Nader!
Here's a Jimmy-boy blast from the past (Jan. '07):
“I have a strong belief that in this country, one of our greatest strengths is we have a right to stand in front of the people in power and state our views,” Webb said on CBS’s “Face the Nation” on Sunday morning. ~Jimmy-boy Webb
Unless, of course, you do it in the New York Times! Then, we'll resolution yer @ss!
tyree @ 51:
KUCINICH/FEINGOLD '08 (Feingold, the LONE HOLDOUT voting against this latest Senatorial funding cave-in to bush. We need people like that in office for us!)
nsr @ 47:
And we'd better start talking loud and soon. Another two years of a neocon agenda (even if it is under the auspices of a Democratic Congress and under a Queen instead of a King) and we are f&*$ed! Primary season is around the corner and if we need to challenge these phonies we need to start soon.
this countrys gone if we vote for the same shit they push on us hillery clintons going to give us no better government then we have shes a golwater republican none of the rest are goung to change anything kucinich and gravel are the only ones speaking honestly about the shit that goes on here, want four or eight more yrs of the shit they been cramming in your face vote for anyone of thoes lame brained pricks!
I like Jim Webb. I also do not understand the level of vitriol and the kneejerk reactions in the comments on C&L now. There used to be just a few (who seem to still be here) but there was some interesting additions to the discussion to give you more of an overview. What did Webb say about his votes? Why did he vote the way he did? What about the very scary discussion about the Lieberman Kyl vote. That seems like the most important part of this discussion to me.....Did anyone comment on that?
Jill Bryant @ 57:
guess all the smart ones left
Jill Bryant @ 57:
Look at his votes. You don't justify voting with the republicans to give bush a blank check. That wasn't what he ran on nor is it what he was sent to Washington for. His reasons are bogus, claiming that to cut funding would 'endanger the troops.' This is a flat-out falsehood! Feingold has consistently voted NO to funding this war. He has bigger stones than 'former republican' Jimmy-boy (R-shhh) Webb. Plus, how do you justify giving bush illegal spying power? 'Cuz it's "short term???" Justifying peeing on Constitutional protections, which bush has already violated, isn't in ANYONE'S interests except to cover bush's @ss. Webb sold us out.
More Webb hot-air:
“We have an American public,” Webb said, “that has turned strongly against the lack of wisdom in the strategic effort in Iraq.”
“This is almost like a tipping point for a lot of people who are saying we cannot continue to give the administration a clean hand in the manipulation of troops numbers without a clear strategy,” he added.
So has he voted to challenge ANYTHING about bush's strategy? Has bush changed anything about his plans because of Webb's "bold decisive" leadersh*t? Not when Webb trips over his dick to give bush more no-strings funding! Gee, what shrewd legislaterin' is Jimmy-boy Webb...
Jill Bryant @ 57,
I think Jim Webb happens to be a lightening rod on this thread for many people's serious disappointment with this Congress. While disgust with his warrantless spying vote is a reason I view him with suspicion, I admit that inaction on Iraq, Lieberman/Kyl, MoveOn condemnation, and the proposal being pushed by Clinton Dems to immunize the telecoms has pushed me over the edge with the whole damn party. I'm angry, and more than a little frightened that my country may become irretrievable if something isn't done soon.
hanshiro @ 13:
KUCINICH? lol
keep dreaming.
CD @ 61:
Always. Doesn't surprise that CD doesn't recognize a better candidate. CD doesn't recognize much anyway.
dreams are what this country is built on.........................but I get your point...sadly
hanshiro @ 62:
Kusunich probably realizes he doesn't stand much of a chance.....but he goes out there and keeps on trying to spread the message........That my friends is a Patriot.
hanshiro @ 62:
Unlike some people I recognize that a congressman with a limited fan base won't get elected.
mudshark @ 65:
Perhaps if MoveOn gets behind the effort. I've already emailed them and encourage others to do the same. Hillary-Edwards-Obama are corporate owned and have screwed us on votes too many times to imagine they're anything but republican-lite. Kucinich and Feingold have been consistently against bush.
I am sorta shocked it took C&L until Friday evening to post this. Why the delay? You're really quick when it comes to Olbermann's Comments, why wait a day to post this?
CD @ 66:
Oh, terribly sorry CD, I owe you an apology! I somehow gave you the impression that I give a rat's @ss what you think! My bad...
I'll end on a humorous note:
Saturday, October 28, 2006
Webb: Democrats Will Provide Iraq Remedy
Webb: Democrats Will Provide Iraq Remedy By BOB LEWIS Associated Press Writer RICHMOND, Va. (AP) - The only remedy to a series of Iraq policy failures by President Bush is a Democratic takeover of Congress in the Nov. 7 election, Virginia Senate candidate Jim Webb said Saturday.
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! F*ck you Jimmy-boy. Bend over, bush wants more fundin' and more a-spyin' and you're givin' away votes like a drunk 'publican!
to congress shut up and put up put your political ambition on the back burner an the troops lives up front
hanshiro @ 69:
What no essay about how I'm wrong and Dennis is going to win?
May you all have sweet dreams!
gna!
CD @ 72:
every body believes every word you say cd if you say he cant win well then thats that!right
hanshiro @ 67:
How is Edwards corporate owned?
tyree @ 74:
Well hanshiro says I should vote for Dennis and since it wouldn't make sense to vote for a candidate you think is going to loose hence Hanshiro thinks that Dennis can win and since he knows everything I'd like to hear him explain why and how Dennis is going to win.
CD @ 72:
It's not a question of being wrong, CD, you're a brainless douche. Being wrong would suggest that you possess working synapses that don't rely on a Fisher-Price 'See and Say' to write your posts; "lol" and all...
Jill Bryant @ 75:
Good point. Edwards made his money suing corporations and insurance companies. His message of two America's is pretty anti-corporatist, and the constant attacks on his haircut by the MSM may indicate he's the candidate the top 2% fear the most.
CD @ 76:
well give us the lowdown cd whos going to win
fiver @ 78:
Actually, two things:
One Edwards was on the intelligence committee leading up to the Iraq war. He saw the 'unvarnished NIE' including all the red flags and still voted to go to war. Now Edwards himself states that a real leader stands up for what he believes in, but Edwards didn't do that. Despite the evidence to the contrary, Edwards voted to authorize war. That calls his judgment into serious question. On the issue of being 'owned,' his Healthcare plan, like Hillary's and Obama's allows the insurance and big pharma to remain in power to simply apply a different version of the current healthcare screwing. That is not an improvement. Why? Why allow those rapacious entities to keep ripping us off?
Yes, follow this ruthless logic:
CD says: Well hanshiro says I should vote for Dennis and since it wouldn’t make sense to vote for a candidate you th