Intel Community To Release Iran Reports To Slow Bush War Machine
By Logan Murphy Saturday Oct 06, 2007 4:51pm
Via Think Progress:
On the Chris Matthews Show today, NBC’s Howard Fineman revealed that the intelligence community will release “three different reports” in upcoming weeks to “slow down” the administration’s current drumbeat for war with Iran:
The intelligence community over the next few months is going to come out with three different reports on Iran about internal political problems of Iran, about the economy, and about their nuclear capability.
Those are going to be key to decide what the Bush administration is going to do, and it’s the intelligence community I think trying to slow down what the president, most particularly the vice president, want to do in Iran. Read more...
As Bush, Cheney and the rabid right ratchet up their propaganda and make their case for invading Iran, one the most under-reported stories in the MSM remains buried -- the fact that most of the insurgent attacks on our troops are coming from Sunnis who, according to the Iraq Study Group, are funded by Saudi Arabia.
Glenn looks how the same names are repeating the quoting the same Very Serious Officials' talking points uncritically and without qualification, just as they did in the buildup to the invasion of Iraq.
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wow.
on so many levels.
WOW.
......di did di di (twilight zone music in background)
shortest clip ever on C&L.
this will slow them down more:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=qGwvSwOP7Ow
"Something BIG" ???
I'm so sick and tired of this global dick-swinging contest, it's just so puke-worthy.
Yeah, well it looks like they need to worry about nukes a little closer to home-
U.S. Nuclear Sites Lack Security, GAO Confirms October 7th, 2007
Just amazing.
War war war war war war war war war war war war war war war war war war war war war war war war war war war war war war war war war war.
I'm SICK of it.
You know you've royally screwed things up when your own intel agencies are trying to undermine your foreign policy.
Boy do we love Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. If the attack on Sept. 11th was really a foreign terrorist attack committed by Saudi Arabian hijackers and masterminded by a Saudi Arabian born terrorist residing in Pakistan... You'd think we'd be less interested in Iraq and Iran and more interested in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. Strange times. Indeed.
Orangutan. @ 9:
Yep. The fact the Pakistani ISI wiretapped Atta 100,000 dollars seems to be a non-talking-point to the neocons.
Bring it on Bush!
The Iran defensive will bring the demise of the U.S.
As Bush, Cheney and the rabid right ratchet up their propaganda and make their case for invading Iran, one the most under-reported stories in the MSM remains buried — the fact that most of the insurgent attacks on our troops are coming from Sunnis who, according to the Iraq Study Group, are funded by Saudi Arabia.
I personally don't trust Howard Fineman or Chriss Mathews, but if they want to start being journalists that would be fine by me.
Bush and his generals are playing good cop, bad cop on Iran now. Bush and Rice keep talking about diplomacy while his generals build the case for war. Here's Petraeus working on CNN's Jim Clancy CNN website Oct. 7, 2007:
One reason that there is "no debate" about the six Iranians in U.S. custody is that they haven't been interviewed by anyone but the military, they don't have legal representation, and the military isn't releasing any information about them other than statements like, "If you only knew the truth" by David Petraeus". Jim Clancy didn't bother to follow-up on that statement.
Why can't we know the truth? What's the big secret? Apparently the detainees have made some kind of video taped confessions, so why can't we see those confessions? How were those confessions obtained. Were some of those techniques described in the New York Times used to extract those confessions? There can't be a debate about anything if only one side of the debate has restricted access to the subject of the debate.
Since Bush has no credibility, he's letting his generals build the case for him. Sooner or later we'll some version of, "we tried to do this diplomatically but my generals made me do it."
Which people related to this report does the VP and his staff plan to retaliate against? The public was ill-served by this VP when he made more than 17 visits to the CIA on the eve of the Iraq invasion. The reports are this VP did intimidate, abuse, and dissuade truthful reporting.
It's all well an good to point to a report that attempts to "slow" something; the issue is whether this report will be used as a shield to inject misleading information into the public debate. What types of disinformation has the President, Vice President, and Blackwater-like contractors had included in this report under the guise that it be accepted?
Yes, the report may appear to contradict the President, but the key will be to examine the data as was not done with Iraq to ensure the information regardless the source is real, accurate, and valid. The next issue becomes the legal question: Is the proposed US action against Iran -- whatever it is -- inconsistent with Geneva; or is the report merely an effort to get the nose under the tent to achieve the same result: Support unlawful warfare against Iran, merely later?
Why an Iran war? Here is a senario. Simple, Clinton will probably be the Dem nominee. Current poll numbers show she will defeat any GOP candidate. The GOP has to bring her down. BushCo will do that via the recent Senate Resolution on naming the Iran Revolutionary Guard as a terrorist organiziation. Clinton voted for the resolution requesting BushCo to declare the Guard as a terrorist org. BushCo follows through, does the declaration, and uses it as a major reason to take down the nuclear powered terrorist protecting state of Iran. Clinton then will be tarred by Dems as having showing bad judgment on war and BushCo again. She will lose the nomination. Then it is Obama or Edwards for the Dems. Either of whom the GOP figures they can beat since it will be a two war front. No Dem will be perceived as a commander in chief after Clinton is knocked out of the picture. War can be slowed down, but it does seem we are on our way to "Bomb, Bomb, Iran." (McCain will then be the GOP pick.)
This is all part of the strategy for the 2012 pres. elections.
What have we become when rebellion in the military and the C.I.A. are our most effective checks on the military/industrial complex?
They are planning to retaliate against Iran for selling their oil in Euros and not dollars.
I have not yet heard any more sensible explanation.
I'd say the intel community has good reason to put the brakes on. Bush was pretty quick to blame them for all the bad intelligence he cherry-picked to sell the war.
They might think war with Iran is a great idea, but they're not going to be the whipping boy if things go bad. It's more about CYA than CIA.
Joementum @ 8:
Exactly. The fact that in the past one or two years, the people we usually associate with wanting to start wars and slaughtering of innocents (ie: the CIA, DIA, NSA, etc.) are critical of WH foreign policy, just shows how fucked up the Bush admin is. I just hope that this comes straight from the intel. community and not passed through the WH filter so that they can spin it to justify attacking Iran.
The other "most under-reported story" is the war between the CIA and the Bush/Cheney/PNAC Neocons.
The Neocon/CIA war dates back to Bush's election, probably before. After 9/11, the Neocons had the power to invent intelligence "facts" as they saw fit, and create strategy based on these lies and fantasies.
These 3 reports will only be a tip-of-the-iceberg glimpse of the intelligence that Americans usually know nothing of, but which drives foreign policy, geopolitical strategy and even trade policy. Iran is only a small part of this big picture.
kablooie @ 5:
Well said....male ego big time and I too am sick of it!
Another reason why the intelligence community is at odds with Bush: well, they *are* the intelligence community. :lol:
You libs are clueless- The Iranians will attack us if we sit back and do nothing..and they are already attacking our troops in Iraq and will attack us here at home if we do nothing. Iran has called for the destruction of Israel, and as Americans it is our obligation to protect Israel- Becuase if we do nothing, Iran will attack Israel, and America-
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smarty @ 7:
Jeezus, Scarlet, get a grip!
Steve Hall @ 25:
Says the person living in fantasy land....
Steve Hall @ 25:
SNARKALICIOUS!
Steve Hall @ 25:
P.T. Barnum was right...
If these idiots invade Iran, it'll be the end of the country. I don't think anyone in America wants another war except the 12% completely crazy christians and the corporatists.
there are no morals and standards that bush and cheney will fail to stup below.
it appears that cheney's hand up bush's ass is not working so well, and cheney is
now shoving his head up bush's ass to speak for him.
Steve Hall @ 25:
another example of the gop reich[deleted--no flame wars from the left either]
dadams @ 31:
I thought I heard an echo.
I hope we nuke Iran- We need to leave the Iranians with the clear message that if they mess with America, we will crush them- Liberals don't seeem to realize Islamofascists want to kill all americans- not just conservatives, but liberals as well- Give aid and comfort to the enemy and think the enemy will side with you? You'll be the first ones they will come after. Wake up and smell the coffee!!! Iran will attack us if we do nothing!. Are you libs just plain chicken to fight?
kaT @ 30:
It will definitely be the end of this country. Iran is in much better shape as far as economy and military power than Iraq was when we invaded it. If we can't handle Iraq, there is absolutely zero chance that we could handle Iran... while being stretched into two other countries, and no support from any one else.
Steve Hall @ 25:
Thank you for your insight. The methadone clinic opens at 9:00 am.
I highly recommend an article in the October 15 Progressive Populist by Steve Clemons 'Why Bush Won't Attack Iran'. Mr. Clemons gives a studied but very different view of the Iran situation and takes away some of the reactionary/over-reaction to our current dilemma.
...it’s the intelligence community I thinktrying to slow down what the president, most particularly the vice president, want to do in Iran.
What it'll probably be is something that will fool the people into accepting an attack on Iran.
Blue Buddha @ 35:
We will defeat Iran if misguided liberals stop giving aid and comfort by undermining Pres Bush by spreading lies about the war in iraq. We need to stand behind the President, and with the troops. Islamofascism must be fought and defeated...
Reality check-At the beginning of the war for freedom in Iraq, Pres Bush made it VERY clear this war would take a long time, and could happen in many lands- he has been up front and honest with america since day 1, but libs twist everything, and engage in freaudian projection-Just as their hero Bill Clinton was a liar, they say 'oh yeah, well Bush is a liar too'. Very infantile bahavior!
Steve Hall @ 34:
Bring it on!
And kiss your ass goodbye.
Unlike Iraq, Bush and his criminals have not had enough time to disarm Iran before going in for the slaughter.
This is the only way Americans can win a dispute.
pissedcanuck @ 11:
And a lot of Canada too
Steve Hall @ 34:
You want to preemptively nuke another country? And you call Iran the bad guys? That would be the ultimate act of terrorism. You support terrorism.
tHeGaMeOfLiFe @ 41:
Unlike Americans, we know how to resolve our disputes diplomatically.
pissedcanuck @ 40:
If we don't attack Iran now, they will attack us- Why would you want that to happen? Would you rather Americans be slaughtered than islamofascists? war is ugly, and people die, but we are fighting for our way of life.
pissedcanuck @ 43:
Islamofascists are not out to kill canadians- they are after Americans,because they hate our freedoms. Canada has participated in the fight in Iraq, and I am gratefull for our alliance..
Ignore Steve Hall. He supports crimes against humanity and war crimes. He's advocating nuclear terrorism.
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Bring it on!
And kiss your ass goodbye.
Unlike Iraq, Bush and his criminals have not had enough time to disarm Iran before going in for the slaughter.
This is the only way Americans can win a dispute.
If we don't attack Iran now, they will attack us- Why would you want that to happen? Would you rather Americans be slaughtered than islamofascists? war is ugly, and people die, but we are fighting for our way of life.
You are fighting for U.S. corporate domination.
When will you enlist?
navyswan @ 42:
They will nuke us if we do nothong- would you rather that happen? We cannot wait and let this happen
Steve Hall @ 45:
We have not and will not participate in your illegal war.
You're on your own.
navyswan @ 46:
[deleted--one more crack like this and you'll find yourself unwelcome to comment. Keep your posts civil or go away. There are no other options.]
Look, we used nukes on japan, and that ended the war and saved thousands of american lives. If we nuke Iran, we will save thousands of American lives.
Steve Hall @ 44:
You'll find the Coco Puffs in aisle 9.
pissedcanuck @ 49:
The decision is Pres. Bush's to make, and Canada will help if so required.
goatchowder @ 19:
I agree. It was stated here a long time ago that there would be hell to pay if the ME switched to EUs. Venezuela is using EU too(?) Once that's chest thumping is gone, big oil won't have a need for chimpy's war any more. chimpy will have to comply, thanks a lot buddy.
repugs please ride off into the sun
Steve Hall @ 48:
Nobody will nuke anybody if you just mind your own business and quit forcing your 'way of life' on the entire world.
Didn't your mother ever teach you how to get along at the schoolyard?
Steve Hall @ 52:
Yea, that'll happen soon.
If you go into Iran, you're screwed, and on your own.
Did you enlist yet?
Steve Hall @ 48:
Iran has no nuclear weapons. And if they did, which they don't, they have no way of getting them to America.
pissedcanuck @ 54:
I care about America and the American way of life-Any nation that challenges American soverignty is a threat that needs to be put in line...
America is a unique place in the world- only we have freedom, and those who don't have freedom fear and hate us becuase of it- its a moral duty to spread freedom around the world.Most of Europe, as well as Canada are socialist places, where the government controls everything, so there is no way they could comprehend freedom
Hey site monitor I thought you didn't want Steve Hall flamebaiting? What the hell would you call what he is doing now?
Site Monitor: I'd say that he's a typical ignorant, uninformed and authoritarian Right Winger, but not flame baiting. All ideologies are welcome to post, as long as they keep it civil.
navyswan @ 56:
Pres Bush said they are a threat, he is in a much better position to know than you.
Steve Hall @ 50:
How did I effect your freedom of speech? You are a loon.
Btw, where is the site monitor? This guy is advocating violence. He wants to nuke an entire country. I believe that fits the definition of advocating violence.
Also, Steve, if I pay you more than your being paid to troll here, will you go away?
Steve Hall @ 57:
Freedom to me is having the choice to put a size ten steel toed boot up your ass.
tHeGaMeOfLiFe @ 53:
You're bang on.
Henry Kissingers real job was to force all countries to use thye American dollar in their oil bourses.
Oil replaced gold as the base for the American dollar.
Now that Venezuala, Iran and Russia are switching to euros and rubles, look what is happening to your dollar.
The bailout is just starting.
Site monitor, do you see anyone hijacking this thread? I do.
Steve Hall @ 57:
Have you ever read a book?
Pissedcanuck,
Can I sleep on your couch? For, hmmm, how long does it take to get Canadian citizenship?
navyswan @ 60:
Look, I came by this liberal site to see if any of you libs have a clue what is going on in the real world, and you libs don't know squat. War is violence, neccesary violence-The only way we can have peace is through war- a paradox, but true.
AbbeyHoffmansGhost @ 58:
I say let his stay; he is the funniest moron to come here in a long time.
Steve Hall @ 62:
Truth? Advocating the nuclear annihilation of another nation is not truth. You my friend are mentally ill.
AbbeyHoffmansGhost @ 61:
Speaking out against the war in Iraq and questioning the president are attacks on freedom.
Steve Hall @ 67:
Hey fucker, my husband is in the military. Don't go telling me that I don't know what is going on. Why aren't you at the recruiters office, you little coward?
pissedcanuck @ 65:
I find my truth in a book called THE BIBLE.
[deleted--Testing to see how long it will take to get banned to feed your persecution complex?]
Steve Hall @ 70:
You are absolutely, [deleted] nutty.
AbbeyHoffmansGhost @ 69:
So you're saying you'd rather have Iranians nuke us??????
navyswan @ 66:
We love our fair minded neighbors.
You are always welcome on my couch.
Be careful however, Mr. Hall might push by you at the border when they institute the draft.
Chicken shits tend to do that.
Steve Hall @ 72:
That explains it!
pissedcanuck @ 75:
Thanks, gotta keep my options open. ;)
navyswan @ 71:
I'm sure that he will head right down to the recruiters office if you will loosen his restraints.
pissedcanuck @ 43:
Oh that reminds me of a poster I met on the net years ago. She/he (you never can be too sure) was from Australia, a "nuckca," so to speak. I asked this "person" if the English penal settlers treated the Aborigines as bad as the