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The Daily Show: Torturous Intentions

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The Daily Show looks at the labyrinthine efforts on the part of the White House to obfuscate and rationalize their use of torture on detainees.

STEWART: How is fake drowning, sleep deprivation, how isn’t that torture?

OLIVER: That is not torture.

STEWART: Why?

OLIVER: Because we don’t torture.

STEWART: Meaning we don’t do those things?

OLIVER: No, no. Meaning if we do do those things, they must not be torture.




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38 Responses for “The Daily Show: Torturous Intentions”
1
Loonie Says:

Funny, but also quite sad.

The US doesn’t torture, because it calls torture something else.

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Clytemnestra Says:

Thank you for posting this Nicole, I accidentally deleted this from my dvr last night before I got to watch it

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Human Says:

Saw it on a rerun. Nothing amusing about it.

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john Says:

here is a song / video against torure feturing the usual suspect extraordinary rendition

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Anais Says:

Scary and Orwellian. “If we say a thing is so, it is so.” Just because the emperor says he is wearing the latest style doesn’t mean he isn’t naked if you’re eyes tell you so. The Emperor has no clothes, people! Wake up and smell the coffee!

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fiver Says:

Not sure if anyone’s referenced this already, but the Supreme Court refused to hear the case of a German kidnapped by the C.I.A. while on vacation, taken to and tortured in Afghanistan, and released without charge in Albania. The lower court’s ruling denying his suit was based solely on “state secrets.”

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Clytemnestra Says:

actually I like the idea of a book/dictionary lapel pin being used to protest how we have, indeed, lost our language, dentainee vs prisoner, etc.

If you want to get a book/dictionary lapel pin I found a place
http://www.lapelpinplanet.com/catalog/item/CC375/

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Clytemnestra Says:

fiver @ 6:

Not sure if anyone’s referenced this already, but the Supreme Court refused to hear the case of a German kidnapped by the C.I.A. while on vacation, taken to and tortured in Afghanistan, and released without charge in Albania. The lower court’s ruling denying his suit was based solely on “state secrets.”

yeah cause we don’t torture … the German government all mad at us and everything over what happened to their citizen has it all wrong

/snark

usholes

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greg white Says:

2+2=5

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greg white Says:

We don’t torture.

We’re spreading democracy.

We’re compassionate conservatives.

We’re fighting them over there so we don’t have to fight them here.

Can anyone spot the lie?

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Loonie Says:

greg white @ 10:

2+2=5

2+2=FREEDOM, you commie french terrorist Islamicator!

They teached me to thunk that at school!

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GOPu! Says:

I could almost laugh at this if it weren’t so sickening, true and tragic. When did America become Amerika?

Oh yeah… 2000 AD when a corrupt Supreme Court crowned the village idiot King.

*Note to the current administration: Jack Bauer is a FICTIONAL character! Stop justifying your atrocities with a TV show.

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The Truth Hurts Says:

Quit saying “we.” I have no part in any of this bullshit….and refuse to be lumped together with those who do.

Why are the comments turned off on the post above this one? The post about Wilson saying that Novak can go to hell. By the way, I agree he can go and so can most everyone in this administration.

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esme Says:

not “can go…” but “is going…” me thinks the wording states.

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lafin gas Says:

pissed off patricia @ 16:

Why are the comments turned off on the post above this one? The post about Wilson saying that Novak can go to hell. By the way, I agree he can go and so can most everyone in this administration.

But then they are Satin worshippers; they expect to go to hell!

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Dr. Matt Says:

Why are the comments closed for the Wilson-Novakula thread?

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wisedup Says:

Nixon once said: “If the president does it, it’s not against the law.” Putting himself ABOVE the law. Republicans didn’t learn a thing.

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fiver Says:

wisedup @ 20:

Nixon once said: “If the president does it, it’s not against the law.” Putting himself ABOVE the law. Republicans didn’t learn a thing.

Ah, but they did. All they had to do was install one of their own as the “Democratic” Speaker of the House. Once impeachment is “off the table” the President is, almost by definition, above the law.

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OliverDreams Says:

Bush needs to be impeached.
But it does no good to impeach Bush if Cheney would then become president.
Cheney has to go first.
Dennis Kucinich has introduced legislation impeach Cheney.
Kucinich talks the talk and walks the walk.
He has proven to have the courage and integrity to do what’s right for America.

Save America - Kucinich 08

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Sister Mary Evangeline Says:

One of the funniest things I have ever seen on TV was Bob Novak spitting out his front teeth on CNN’s “Crossfire”. He was on a tirade and his teeth came flying out of his mouth,…. he grabbed them, push them back in his mouth and kept ranting……

humble be,

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L.A. Confidential Says:

Bush Co hires and outsources other countries and companies to do the torturing for them.

Then like typical multi millionaires wash their hands obsessively through out the course of a day.

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L.A. Confidential Says:
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Deighved H Stern MD Says:

WMV download link does not work.

Site Monitor: I’ve notified Nicole and she’s fixing the link. Try again.

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Mike Meyer Says:

Call Nancy Pelosi @ 1-202-225-0100, and say IMPEACH.
FORCE Congress to IMPEACH the Vice President and the President of The United States Of America.

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Deighved H Stern MD Says:

WMV Download working now. Thanks!

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t j maxx Says:

This is absolutely BRILLIANT!

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Radically Moderate Says:

Jon:
You forgot to mention head slapping. Which is so offensive that the practice was banned by the National Hockey League 25 years ago.

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do-si-do Says:

I’d like to take this opportunity to call out the BS of Cheney’s talking point of “we will not discuss what these enhanced interrogation techniques are because then our enemies can TRAIN for them” vs. “we will not discuss what these forms of torture are so that the world will know we indeed are torturing people.”

What Dick Doesn’t Want AQ to Know Dick About:

If you are a civilian operative who foresees a one way trip to Syria or other publicly denounced country in your near future, here are a few traveling tips to prepare for your destination:

1. Get Thee to a Nail Salon. Have all twenty nails removed from your digits and replaced with acrylics. When they pop those babies off, your secrets are still safe.

2. Get Thee an Extreme Makeover. Have those underwater breathing devices inserted and head to the nearest available body of water in the Saharan Desert. Have a companion dunk you into the restorative salt water and feel the core of your steely resolve.

3. Go to the Freezer, Get the Boombox. Stand in the middle of any readily available refrigeration units in Sahara Desert, with a boom box. Play American classic Rock and Roll Hootchie Koo (amazon.com, iTunes, etc) at the highest possible volume.

4. Get The Family On Board. Have your best friend interact with your wife as per the following: A. insult her. B. molest her C. harm her in your presence. Next your daughter and then your mother. Remember you are in training, so this isn’t the real thing.
If you can do all these things to yourself and train thoroughly, the world is less safe for Americans. Get it?
Thank you.

Anyone else see how ridiculous this is on its face? We don’t want the world to know so we don’t get caught. I mean really, our VP of Torture sounding like a fifth grade bully trying to lie his way out of trouble.

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JM Says:

This segment is brilliant! Torture is 8 years of bush/cheney and the damage they are doing to our national soul.

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Shared Humanity Says:

Great show but I have a hard time listening to it or laughing.

WE ARE A NATION OF WAR CRIMINALS

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admiral krunch Says:

Best Fucking Episode, EVER

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jr Says:

Stasi nation on the march

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Zlad! Says:

Brilliant! “Orwellianly” brilliant!

Now, if only Obama would wear a dictionary pin…

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Lyon Says:

Let’s hear it for semantics!

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Anne Says:

Human @ 3:

Saw it on a rerun. Nothing amusing about it.

No, the SUBJECT MATTER definitely is NOT “amusing.”

BUT, as Dan Froomkin wrote on Tuesday in his “White House Watch” blog on WashingtonPost.com:

The Humorists Get It

There’s nothing funny about torture. And yet the most insightful — and certainly most succinct — views on the subject, as usual, come from the political “humorists”.

Dan Froomkin goes on to provide the links not only to both the of the Daily Show segments, “Cruel Intentions” and “Tortured Logic,” in this video, but also to some of the more powerful editorial cartoons in the last couple of days which ridicule Bush’s “We don’t torture” lies.

As Jonathan Swift and his more contemporary companions in humor — Lenny Bruce and Dick Gregory and Richard Pryor and Jon Stewart and Steven Colbert and the cast of SNL and a host of other comedians and political satirists and political cartoonists — have so amply demonstrated, satire and humor cuts to the core of any issue. And let’s be honest: a LOT more people probably saw, and will see, this John Stewart video (and saw the John Stewart’s show on Monday night) than read last Thursday’s New York Times article, “Secret U.S. Endorsement of Severe Interrogations.” In other words, Jon Stewart reached more people than the New York Times could ever dream of reaching in their wildest fantasies. The only thing we can hope is that John Stewart’s viewers will be enraged enough about what Bush is doing to “protect” them that they will, at a minimum, put pressure on their Congressional representatives to actually DO something to put a halt to the methods Bush is employing to “protect us” and to expose and condemn the legal sophistry he is using to justify his actions.

No, the SUBJECT MATTER definitely is NOT funny, but the video is. There is NOTHING funny about the havoc that Bush has created in our country and to this country’s core values. But what to do when our “leaders” don’t care what we think? Lapse into crying endless tears? Fall into a pit of feelings of helplessness? Humor is cathartic, humor can be energizing, humor can provide relief.

What Bush has done depresses me enormously: I no longer recognize the U.S.A. as the country into which I was born and raised, the country I loved so much because I had lived overseas and saw enough oppression first hand to know beyond a shadow of a doubt that Americans should kisss the ground they walk on every single day because they lived in the most open and most free country in the world, whatever problems this country had (and there were and are many). But I no longer recognize the country of my birth. Bush and his cronies are unprincipled, amoral thugs who don’t care what we think. The large majority of our Congressional representatives belong to two groups: the Republican political syncophants who seem to think their oath of office was to preserve not the Constitution but their president and political party; or the Democratic enablers, spineless cowards who have their equivalent of their “spousal abuse” act down pat. And most of the American public are either uninformed or willfully ignorant of how their Constitution has been shredded or have become paralyzed by feelings of total helplessness — as, admittedly, I have done for long stetches of time because I am long past being able to shed tears for the tortured, the maimed and the dead and for what our country has become in the eyes of the civilized world: a moral cesspool. At this point I would be more proud to be a citizen of Burma than of the U.S.: at least the Burmese had the courage to rise up and resist, and are still resisting despite the appalling consequences for doing so, the actions of their “leaders.” Such courage is in short supply in this country and especially in our politicians who, at worst, would suffer only the loss of their jobs — not their lives — for resisting what Bush is doing to our country.

The ONLY relief I find any longer from tears and feelings of helplessness — and the only thing that energizes me to stay informed and to march and to constantly protest to my congressional representatives and to urge others to do the same — is a daily dose of humor, which Jon Stewart and Steven Colbert provide. So kudos to Crooks & Liars for posting this “unfunny” video. And a big “thank you” for keeping me sane.

As an aside, it is worth every minute of your time to read Dan Froomkin’s blog, “White House Watch,” which is published Monday thru Friday, usually early to mid-afternoon Eastern Time. And on that blog, he has written two extraordinary articles on the torture issue:

White House Watch: Torture, Continued
washingtonpost.com, Thursday, October 4, 2007; 1:42 PM

White House Watch: Bush’s Feeble Torture Dodge
washingtonpost.com, Tuesday, October 9, 2007; 2:10 PM

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GetReal Says:

Ms. Perino,

The “Debate on torture” ended when the US signed the Geneva Conventions. It’s not “healthy” that the US is abusing prisoners. It’s a war crime.

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