Most pro-lifers lose interest once the life begins!

GonzoD @ 2:

Most pro-lifers lose interest once the life begins!

Exactly. The Republican Crime Syndicate are anti choice advocates to rally thier ignorant base and raise ca$h.

Haven't the real believers in the Bible figured out yet that those in office who say they believe are mostly liars and frauds and that religion is being used to manipulate them?

"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful." - Seneca the Younger (circa 4 B.C.E - 65 C.E)

To modern day Republicans, life is sacred as long as it can't speak up for itself.

Smack_dab @ 6:

Haven't the real believers in the Bible figured out yet that those in office who say they believe are mostly liars and frauds and that religion is being used to manipulate them?

"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful." - Seneca the Younger (circa 4 B.C.E - 65 C.E)

In most industrialized nations, the voters don't know the religion of the candidates. That's the way it should be IMHO!

for example:

The Catholic Workers

the Catholic left has been working for Peace for YEARS..
such as the Barrigan Bros...and The Camden 28 (really good documentary last month on PBS about them) during Viet nam

"The St. Patricks four" at the start of this war..

look like they stepped in it......with both feet

While I may not agree with their ideology it is at least logically consistent. With all these staged Republican debates I wish one of the moderators had had the nerve to challenge the candidates to name one American child who did not deserve to have health care. Just name one.

Remember, according to the "pro-life" Republicans, once you're out of the womb, you're on your own.

I think we're 49th in the world in infant mortality, something the GOP is proud of.

so the repugs have finally hit a nerve.

HumboldtBlue @ 11:

Then again, there's always this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmsOIjzQ1V8

That was great!

Here's mine.......... a song of loneliness from one hot, hot ReichWing babe!

Anyone who paints the entire "pro-life" movement with the same brush and condemns each and every conservative Christian is a bigot ... plain and simple.

Five Caribbean Surgeons are discussing who makes the best patients to operate on.

The first, a Cuban says, "I like to see accountants on my operating table, because when you open them up, everything inside is numbered."

The second, a Guyanese, responds, "Yeah, but you should try electricians! Everything inside them is color coded."

The third, a Barbadian, says, "No, I really think librarians are the best; everything inside them is in alphabetical order."

The fourth, a Trinidadian, chimes in: "You know, I like construction workers... those guys always understand when you have a few parts left over at the end, and when the job takes longer than you said it would."

But the fifth, a Jamaican, shut them all up when he observed: "You're all wrong. Politicians are the easiest to operate on. There's no guts, no heart, no balls, no brains and no spine,* and* their* head* and their* ass* are interchangeable.

BaScOmBe @ 26:

Five Caribbean Surgeons are discussing who makes the best patients to operate on.

The first, a Cuban says, "I like to see accountants on my operating table, because when you open them up, everything inside is numbered."

The second, a Guyanese, responds, "Yeah, but you should try electricians! Everything inside them is color coded."

The third, a Barbadian, says, "No, I really think librarians are the best; everything inside them is in alphabetical order."

The fourth, a Trinidadian, chimes in: "You know, I like construction workers... those guys always understand when you have a few parts left over at the end, and when the job takes longer than you said it would."

But the fifth, a Jamaican, shut them all up when he observed: "You're all wrong. Politicians are the easiest to operate on. There's no guts, no heart, no balls, no brains and no spine,* and* their* head* and their* ass* are interchangeable.

LOL... indeed! :)

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Sick, sad, and pathetic to watch, the Wingnut machine finally gets unhinged from its base. And flies off in all directions, killing innocent bystanders galore.

Bob Roberts @ 24:

Anyone who paints the entire "pro-life" movement with the same brush and condemns each and every conservative Christian is a bigot ... plain and simple.

dick cavett had a great line for strom thurmond: "please tell those of your friends who are NOT bigots that I apologize."

I think that fits here perfectly.

George Carlin said it best

"Pro-life conservatives are obsessed with the fetus from conception to nine months. After that they don't want know nothing from you.... If your pre-born, you're fine. If you're pre-school, you're fucked!"

Max-1 @ 21:

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Rep. Ginny Brown-Waite, Florida

Rep. Joseph Knollenberg, Michigan

Rep. Thaddeus McCotter, Michigan,

Rep. Tim Walberg, Michigan

Rep. Steve Chabot, Ohio

Rep. Gene Taylor, Mississippi

Rep. Michelle Bachmann, Minnesota

Rep. Sam Graves, Missouri

Rep. Thelma Drake, Virginia

Rep. John Peterson, Pennsylvania

Why do they hate children?

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for the same reason they hate soldiers. they are not relate to any.

Bob Roberts @ 24:

Anyone who paints the entire "pro-life" movement with the same brush and condemns each and every conservative Christian is a bigot ... plain and simple.

Oh right. We're bigots because we hold your spiritual philosophy to the same level of criticism as every other philosophy out there. Whatever, you crackpot.

Here's a news flash for you. Real philosophies, whether they are political, social, economic or scientific are based on observation of evidence and logic. Your spiritual philosophies are based on that voluntary schizophrenia you call religious faith and wishing really, really hard to an invisible sky genie.

Its not much of a comparison.

If anything, you're the ones who are acting like supremacists for believing your conjecture of an invisible sky genie is just "too perfect" to bother supporting it with actual evidence and that you can take it directly from conjecture to social application without it.

BaScOmBe @ 36:

Max-1 @ 21:

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Rep. Ginny Brown-Waite, Florida

Rep. Joseph Knollenberg, Michigan

Rep. Thaddeus McCotter, Michigan,

Rep. Tim Walberg, Michigan

Rep. Steve Chabot, Ohio

Rep. Gene Taylor, Mississippi

Rep. Michelle Bachmann, Minnesota

Rep. Sam Graves, Missouri

Rep. Thelma Drake, Virginia

Rep. John Peterson, Pennsylvania

Why do they hate children?

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for the same reason they hate soldiers. they are not relate to any.

I didn't see that. Great minds think alike.

A.Citizen @ 22:

HumboldtBlue @ 11:

Then again, there's always this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmsOIjzQ1V8

That was great!

Here's mine.......... a song of loneliness from one hot, hot ReichWing babe!

yep...that'll work..

Bob Roberts @ 24:

Anyone who paints the entire "pro-life" movement with the same brush and condemns each and every conservative Christian is a bigot ... plain and simple.

Yeah! Stop lumping us True Scotsmen in with all those other guys! We all call ourselves the "pro-life" movement, but that's just because we don't want outsiders to see the huge sectarian turmoil within our ranks!

Bob Roberts @ 41:

Zenrage @ 38:

Bob Roberts @ 24:

Anyone who paints the entire "pro-life" movement with the same brush and condemns each and every conservative Christian is a bigot ... plain and simple.

Oh right. We're bigots because we hold your spiritual philosophy to the same level of criticism as every other philosophy out there. Whatever, you crackpot.

Here's a news flash for you. Real philosophies, whether they are political, social, economic or scientific are based on observation of evidence and logic. Your spiritual philosophies are based on that voluntary schizophrenia you call religious faith and wishing really, really hard to an invisible sky genie.

Its not much of a comparison.

If anything, you're the ones who are acting like supremacists for believing your conjecture of an invisible sky genie is just "too perfect" to bother supporting it with actual evidence and that you can take it directly from conjecture to social application without it.

Thank you. I'm an atheist. Presume much?

If it walks like a crackpot, shovels bullshit like a crackpot, and ignores reality like a crackpot...

Zenrage @ 46:

Thank you. I'm an atheist. Presume much?

If it walks like a crackpot, shovels bullshit like a crackpot, and ignores reality like a crackpot...

If it walks like a bigot, shovels bullshit like a bigot, and ignores reality like a bigot...

Conservative Christians have no standing to complain of bigotry. If my entire philosophy revolved around sardines, I'd be a hypocrite for whining about the smell of fish.

BTW, insuring everyone (including children) is a great idea. But why does the program have to be based on possibly the most regressive tax possible? Can't the very rich (including Pelosi (R) CA) pay taxes too?

mudshark @ 45:

Bob Roberts @ 41:

Zenrage @ 38:

Bob Roberts @ 24:

Oh right. We're bigots because we hold your spiritual philosophy to the same level of criticism as every other philosophy out there. Whatever, you crackpot.

Here's a news flash for you. Real philosophies, whether they are political, social, economic or scientific are based on observation of evidence and logic. Your spiritual philosophies are based on that voluntary schizophrenia you call religious faith and wishing really, really hard to an invisible sky genie.

Its not much of a comparison.

If anything, you're the ones who are acting like supremacists for believing your conjecture of an invisible sky genie is just "too perfect" to bother supporting it with actual evidence and that you can take it directly from conjecture to social application without it.

Thank you. I'm an atheist. Presume much?

Perhaps the religious right should speak out and show the country that they are not all buying into the rhetoric

The rational Muslims out there also need to speak up, loudly. I wouldn't be surprised if there are but it's not being talked about in the MSM.

Unfortunately for all our lamenting, REALITY CHECK, nothing . . . nothing is going to change.

And Bob Roberts, frankly I'm not sure where you got that from. Whatever you were refering to is not what this topic is about.

Bob Roberts @ 51:

breakerslion @ 49:

Bob Roberts @ 24:

Anyone who paints the entire "pro-life" movement with the same brush and condemns each and every conservative Christian is a bigot ... plain and simple.

What if I condemn them individually and not severally?

I am an athiest. Any Christian, by virtue of the fact that he/she is Christian, and believes the Jesus/Jehovamagod/holy spook 3-ply God myth, is delusional.

That just makes you a member of an extremely intolerant religion. I assume that you feel the same way about Muslims, Hindus, Jews, Jains, etc.

You assume correctly. Your use of that particular form of argumentation (atheism is a religion) reveals you to be in all probability a liar and a troll when you call yourself an athiest. More likely you are a Lutheran, or at least familiar with some of their highly quoted thinkers. Just because I believe that religion is the world's oldest scam, that does not turn that into a religious belief. I have all the proof I require. Show me sufficient non-anecdotal evidence to the contrary and I'll recant.

jr @ 55:

37 year old pre teen predator Michelle Malkin didn't go to multimillionaire Erik Prince's house after Blackwater just got a 92 million dollar contract from the Pentagon

Um, ok.

Fnord?

Bob Roberts @ 41:

Thank you. I'm an atheist. Presume much?

Liar.

Bob, your journey is long. Here, take this

breakerslion @ 58:

Bob Roberts @ 41:

Thank you. I'm an atheist. Presume much?

Liar.

Obviously my mistake was in taking you seriously. I'm certainly done with that now.

Bob Roberts @ 62:

breakerslion @ 58:

Bob Roberts @ 41:

Thank you. I'm an atheist. Presume much?

Liar.

Obviously my mistake was in taking you seriously. I'm certainly done with that now.

Oblique statement. You don't deny it.

Last one from me.

@57 you said: "Here’s the thing about atheism…you can neither prove nor disprove the existence of God using logic and observable data. Among God’s most commonly cited characteristics are omnipotence and omniscience. If God is all-knowing and all-powerful, he/she/it/or they can easily hide from your limited physical senses and intellect.

If you cannot disprove the existence of God logically, you have to rely on faith. In this case, faith in the absence of something. Without proof in God’s non-existence, the world makes more sense (or I am more comfortable, or whatever your formulation is) if I believe there is no God. Belief (or faith) means atheism can be compared to a religious (or at least spiritual belief).

Aside from this being an apologetic argument, your use of the words, "If" and "your" above lead to the psychological conclusion that there is a high probability that this is not a belief that you yourself hold. Furthermore, if one accepts that argument, the most one can say about one's self is, "I am agnostic."

I say again, when you call yourself an athiest, you are lying.

Who wouldn't believe that the dingbat Michelle Bachman from my state, Minnesota would vote against this bill. Maybe she thought bush would give her a kiss or something more. They way ditzy brain held on to him when she was a a meeting, I thought she was going to try to get him to slip into something more comfortable with her.

Bob Roberts @ 57:

Here's the thing about atheism...you can neither prove nor disprove the existence of God using logic and observable data. Among God's most commonly cited characteristics are omnipotence and omniscience. If God is all-knowing and all-powerful, he/she/it/or they can easily hide from your limited physical senses and intellect.

If you cannot disprove the existence of God logically, you have to rely on faith. In this case, faith in the absence of something. Without proof in God's non-existence, the world makes more sense (or I am more comfortable, or whatever your formulation is) if I believe there is no God. Belief (or faith) means atheism can be compared to a religious (or at least spiritual belief).

Don't mean to intervene in this back and forth, but I can't help but comment on the stupidity of this argument. First off, faith and religion is never defined in the negative sense. You can't have faith on absence of something, because by default nobody should believe anything. We are simply not defined by what we don't believe in since that covers too many discarded theories and ideas out there, instead we are defined but what we do believe in (when was the last time you said your religion was anti-unicornism). The only reason that the term atheist exists is because theists would otherwise think everyone else believes the way they do, and thus the term becomes a rather succinct way of saying you don't believe in the gods of any religion.

Second off, claims that impossible to prove even in theory should be ignored. Science is careful to make theories that at least have the possibility to be either proven or disproven. It's only religion that invented the idea of faith to justify unjustifiable beliefs.

Third, (Christian) religious beliefs can be shown to be logically incoherent. Believing in a Christian God is like believing in a square circle, the very basis of the belief would require throwing away rules of science and math as they apply in the known universe. The very point that an all omnipotent, omnipresent, omnibenevolent, omniscient deity is contradicted by every detail given about such a God. It is also physically impossible construct that would require breaking the rule of physics to even consider as possible, and even then it's not clear how any of this applies to an intelligent entity. How would an omnibeing react when it knows beforehand whatever is going to happen?

Is an infinite being aware of itself, and is it aware of it's own awareness of itself, ad infinitum? If so, what can it possibly think about since it receives no new stimulus and even its own thought process is known to itself through another infinite process. Why would an omnibenevolent being create so much destruction, or create imperfect beings that are setup to destroy themselves by conveniently placed fruit? Why would an omnipotent being have to go through an elaborate ceremony to forgive someone, when it requires no such elaboration for far less powerful humans? I could keep going, but I would be hard pressed to find something that is easier to disprove then Christianity, to say it requires faith to disbelieve Christian religions shows you have no idea what that word means.

As for abortion, If this doesn't show how stupid the anti-abortion movement is, I don't know what will. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk6t_tdOkwo

Here is a good breakdown by George Carlin as well
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrXvDXVhqfU

People who want to illegalize abortion just need [Please don't advocate horrific endings for terrible people on this site-Sitemonitor]

Bob Roberts @ 57:

breakerslion @ 54:

You assume correctly. Your use of that particular form of argumentation (atheism is a religion) reveals you to be in all probability a liar and a troll when you call yourself an athiest. More likely you are a Lutheran, or at least familiar with some of their highly quoted thinkers. Just because I believe that religion is the world's oldest scam, that does not turn that into a religious belief. I have all the proof I require. Show me sufficient non-anecdotal evidence to the contrary and I'll recant.

So you're another one who trots out the tired old argument "if you don't agree with me, you must be a troll". The "liar" comment I admit I haven't seen before and I'm curious to know how you made that assumption...or is it just another ad hominem attack from someone who would rather use insults than engage in debate?

Here's the thing about atheism...you can neither prove nor disprove the existence of God using logic and observable data. Among God's most commonly cited characteristics are omnipotence and omniscience. If God is all-knowing and all-powerful, he/she/it/or they can easily hide from your limited physical senses and intellect.

If you cannot disprove the existence of God logically, you have to rely on faith. In this case, faith in the absence of something. Without proof in God's non-existence, the world makes more sense (or I am more comfortable, or whatever your formulation is) if I believe there is no God. Belief (or faith) means atheism can be compared to a religious (or at least spiritual belief).

There. I have done you the courtesy of taking your post seriously and explaining (to the limited extent possible in this forum) part of my beliefs. Based on your last post, I assume you are about to try to dismiss me as a troll...

Why should someone that doesn't believe in God, prove to you or anyone else that God doesn't exist? Should not the burden of proof be on the believer's shoulders? I agree partially with the poster you were replying to. Prove to me there is a God. You can't. Can I prove there isn't? I don't have to, you do if you believe.

BaScOmBe @ 32:

Bob Roberts @ 24:

Anyone who paints the entire "pro-life" movement with the same brush and condemns each and every conservative Christian is a bigot ... plain and simple.

dick cavett had a great line for strom thurmond: "please tell those of your friends who are NOT bigots that I apologize."

I think that fits here perfectly.

Woo-hoo, I love it.

Anyone who paints the entire "non-Republican" movement with the same brush and condemns each and every Democrat is a bigot ... plain and simple (Tell your friends)

What I find truly retarded about the whole elite (as in party of the rich, no matter what country) is that they are profiteering, and making their, GOD ($$$$$$$$$), yet again miss the fact that these poor kids whose family can't afford health care for them, are the next generation of meat for their HOLY GOD'S($$$$$$$$) meatgrinder, WAR!!!!!!! That's what the elite want! Where are they going to get their next 'volunteer' army???? GAG!!!!!!

Wow. What will FOX News do when they invite that rabid Catholic -- what's his name Donnelly?-- on to their show to criticize Catholics for their pro-life stance on poor children.

Hannity --"But don't you think with the population explosion we should try to cure less and less children?"

It is called Consistent Life Ethics and sadly most pro-life conservatives lack the ethics, supporting the sanctity of life in word only. This is why we still have a death penalty, millions without affordable healthcare, non violent offenders locked away in record numbers, homeless and hungry people in numbers beyond the means to care for them. Consistent Life Ethics is the root of social justice. Conservatives generally lack the compassion for their fellow man and the ability to work for social justice.