BREAKING: Chris Dodd puts hold on Telecom Immunity Bill
By bluegal Wednesday Oct 17, 2007 2:12pm
TPM Election Central (h/t Blogenfreude):
Senator Chris Dodd plans to put a hold on the Senate FISA renewal bill because it reportedly grants retroactive immunity to telephone companies for any role they played in the Bush administration's warrantless eavesdropping program, Election Central has learned.
Dodd will send a letter to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid this afternoon informing him of his decision. Dodd also plans to put up a page today at his campaign web site where opponents of the immunity provision can register their opposition.
Updated by Amato. Fill out Dodd's FISA petition:
The Military Commissions Act. Warrantless wiretapping. Shredding of Habeas Corpus. Torture. Extraordinary Rendition. Secret Prisons. No more.
I have decided to place a "hold" on the latest FISA bill that would have included amnesty for telecommunications companies that enabled the President's assault on the Constitution by illegally providing personal information on their customers without judicial authorization...
Jane Hamsher brought the question up to him last week....
Meanwhile, Pat Leahy throws Rockefeller under the bus — where he belongs — for letting things get so far down the road that this became necessary...read on

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Did someone mail him a set of testicles?
Well.....that's a start.
Good news.
Hold it until next November and then I'll be impressed.
Good for Dodd! It's about time a Democrat took a stand on something!
Good for Senator Dodd. At least he's trying. More than I can say for the rest of the Democratic Senate. He stepped up for us. We should as least tell him we appreciate that.
Frankly, I don't trust any of 'em any more.
If you're going to give your word, make sure it's good, and not just a convenient soundbite for the next news cycle, to be discarded when the vote comes 'round.
Dodd has quietly been showing the most integrity of all of the candidates for President. He's eloquent and seems principled.
I'm starting to get impressed.
Well Done. Now Keep that hold in line. Force these bastards to release the information as to what they did. It's time to account for EVERYBODY's Actions
This is, by my reckoning, the first politician to meaningfully stand up to the criminal gang. He's got my vote.
Good news, but BFD - this and $3 will get you a gallon of gas
Kudos to the Senator. He's just gained one more supporter.
He's showing that if they want to say he is soft on terror, bring it on. He isn't afraid of a label and he's brave enough to do what he knows is right. I have never disliked Senator Dodd and now my admiration for him has grown even more.
JQP @ 12:
ditto and ditto.
now that is leadership
Amazing. We have, what, at least three other Senators vying for the Democratic party nomination for President and Dodd is the only one actually demonstrating leadership in the Senate on things that matter. Predictably, the media has him pegged in the lower tier.
I like Edward's issues, but he seems to be in the same camp as Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Hillary, Obama, and most of the rest of the veteran Democrats... let things stay awful the next year-and-a-half and we'll have a Democrat in the White House. The run-out-the-clock strategy is not only likely to blow up in their faces, but I fear what's left of this country will swirl down the giant toilet flush that is the Bush Jr. Administration while they do nothing.
Way to go Senator Dodd!!! About time someone said NO!!!!
Those telephone companies handing over private information should be challenged in court. They don't get to pretend they did nothing wrong. What they did was and is against the law and the CEO and senior management staff belong in jail for their participation.
Dodd Is getting to look better all the time, he has shown time and again to be on the correct side of issues as well as calling out right wing pundits and their rhetoric from ending the Cuban embargo, getting out of Iraq, defending YearlyKos against the O'Reilly smear campaign among other things...
Pelosi said she won't back retroactive immunity in her interview with Arianna Huffington. Pelosi said no immunity when she doesn't even know what the telecoms are supposed to have done.
Off topic, but "Obama: What, me worry?" The liberal media at its finest.
So we're going from lapel-pin-gate to big-ears-gate?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071018/ap_on_el_pr/obama_leno_2
Ha! Republicans squash children's health care so Dems retaliate by putting a hold on bill Republicans want. Suck it!
Bluesman,
I agree with just about everything except I'm a bit more pessimistic to believe that their simply running out the clock - I truly believe they are just as interested in allowing these abuses and are even actively involved in changing policy with the Republicans and the administration. It will only mean that when they do get the presidency they too can leverage unchecked power for the benefit of their big-money buddies. I have real difficulty believing that the majority of the Democratic leadership is as blatantly incompetent, spineless and pathetic as they've appeared to be this past year of ineffectual majority leadership.
Please go to his website linked in the post and thank him for what he's done. If he had done something we didn't like we would let him know, right? He needs our support on this. Finally a candidate who, when someone asks me what that person has done for me, has given me something to say.
There is a word that accurately describes this action by Senator Christopher Dodd... It's called GUTS!!! Nancy and the rest of em, should check into that... They desparately need some...
Thank you Senator Dodd..............JD
Just did, p-o-p. It's between him and Kucinich, now, for me.
There is so much bitching and moaning about the dems never doing anything and now when one steps up and gives it a shot, he gets doubts and disbelief. Is it a lose/lose situation?
This is a 'deal'.
Be aware however that 'deals' with republicans are not give and take. 'Deals' with republicans are ratcheted - you give a little and you will never get it back - ever.
I dont blame Dod, its the Vichy democrats - the republican faction.
Lets ask the central question - the question that was asked originally.
Is FISA constitutional? The constitution requires a warrant. FISA functionally amends the constitution absent a constitutional amendment. FISA simply states that the constitution is inconvenient as it pertains to specific 'intelligence' functions the government wishes to perform.
Bush says repeatedly that constitutional guarantees are in place - he is referring to FISA, which in my opinion abridges the warrant requirement of the constitution absent an amendment to the constitution.
Is Bush right or is FISA wrong?
Good!
This was a gem:
Leno needled Obama about claims that he's a distant relative of Vice President Dick Cheney. Lynne Cheney, the vice president's wife, says she uncovered a long-ago tie between the two families while researching a book.
Obama insisted the newfound relationship would have limits.
"I don't want to be invited to the family hunting party," he said, alluding to a 2006 accident in which Cheney wounded a friend with shotgun pellets.
great news, but can someone explain what he means by putting a "hold" on the bill?
and if any senator can do this why haven't they put a "hold" on so many other horrible bills?
Only when citizens are ready to face the corporations in this country will this idiocy of corporate rule STOP.
No amnesty for any of them.
NO SPECIAL RIGHTS for corporations.
We have to unseat the corporations from having a place at the government table.
Damned straight, Jack Damage! He is showing guts and isn't that all we've asked for, for such a long time now?
I was all over the place about who I wanted to support. I was a Dodd fan before he said he would run. But then the Hillary/Obama/Edwards train rolled in and I sort of deserted Senator Dodd. Now I'm back!
BRAVO for Senator Dodd! I sincerely hope that all American patriots will let him know we are still a country of the law of the land, and that is the Constitution.
Lollimom @ 31:
Hear hear.
Isnt it damning that we even have to say something like this?
In fact we could simply say - end fascism.
The Military Commissions Act. Warrantless wiretapping. Shredding of Habeas Corpus. Torture. Extraordinary Rendition. Secret Prisons. No more....
Its obvious what is going on.
Their plan all started and was put in place BEFORE Sept 11.
--> Cheney and Addington
Bush The Emperor Has No Clothes
The people are with you Dodd..
We are all in good company; public officials and veterans who took the oath to protect the Constitution.
U.S. Attorneys, Soldiers, Injured Veterans, their Families, U.S. Generals, Whistleblowers, Army Captains, Lieutenants, U.S. Veterans, CIA Veterans, Military Intelligence Officials, 911 Families, New York Public Officials, Firefighters, First Responders, Criminal Investigators, Constitutional Lawyers, millions of informed Americans
We are all with you Dodd and anyone else who stands up to these spying black mailing criminals.
Its obvious ...
JAIL --> Richard B. Cheney, George W. Bush and other civil officers in our Government. They have committed Treason, Fraud, Profiteering, Bribery, Espionage, Obstruction of Justice and High Crimes AGAINST the United States, our public institutions, our people and the World.
"I have real difficulty believing that the majority of the Democratic leadership is as blatantly incompetent, spineless and pathetic as they’ve appeared to be this past year of ineffectual majority leadership."
I don't have any difficulty believing this actually.
Dodd/Kucinich 08? or Kucinich/Dodd 08? Either one would be nice.
Not all Democrats on the Judiciary Committee appeared to share Leahy’s concerns. Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), who sits on both the Judiciary and Intelligence panels, signaled she was likely to support the bipartisan approach.
“At this stage, it is a bipartisan bill,” Feinstein said. “I’m absolutely convinced that the only way we can legislate on this is on a bipartisan basis. This bill so far is bipartisan — that’s good news.”
Feinstein can shove that bipartisan bullshit up her bipartisan ass. How is it bipartisan to give them what they want again? She is saying the only way they can legislate is to cave in on this fake bipartisan bullshit. What kind of lawmakers give immunity for crimes they aren't sure of?
http://chrisdodd.com/
Go to his site. He is asking for notes of support. Perhaps he can use the response to inject spine into others.
YES!! GO SENATOR DODD!!
Hey someone found a pair in the Democratic Party - Who would have thunk it????????
Yahoo!!!!!
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OMG! A congresscritter with a spine? How did that happen?
pissed off patricia @ 23:
Ditto that plus sent off copies to my email contacts list.
Even sent one to Broder that wise ole washington piss ant. Ha!
there is nothing we can do until we kick the republican "traitors to america" out...
Its obvious -
We cant even get an SCHIP override vote to insure children in our states ...
Let alone an impeachment vote...
KEEP INFILTRATING THE DEMOCRAT PARTY with good people..
2008
Democrats Get Balls! **
http://demballs.cf.huffingtonpost.com/
[**put down your drink before clicking link. Not responsible for your keyboard]
Well now, Senator Dodd, I'm listening to you loud and clear now. Good to see some spine.
Janet, I just followed that link and read about what Feinstein said. I couldn't agree with you more. Who the hell thinks making nice is more important than being legal? To hell with her opinions.
POP;
I'm still a Kucinich man at this point, but I'm damned impressed and went to Dodds site and told him so... Been waffling a bit on what ticket would really be best in my opinion... Obama is slipping in my mind, Hillary was never there for me, nothing personal against her, just think she's packing too much negative baggage which ain't all her fault, but still... Edwards is still in there but now Dodd has made a place for himself in my evaluations... Dunno, maybe a Kucinich/Dodd ticket or even a Dodd/Kucinich ticket might work.. I got to give it more thought... But at least I have someone new now to consider who has shown me a 'clear' indication of integrity.... Well, besides Denny K. anyway....JD
Let's not say that Senator Dodd grew a spine or grew a couple, let's say he took a stand for the Constitution. It sounds so much more respectable and he sure does deserve our respect right now. :)
Call Feinstein if in CA, I have. She should not support this at all, and she is: Her number in SF, which is easier to get through to is:
San Francisco
One Post Street, Suite 2450
San Francisco, CA 94104
Phone: (415) 393-0707
Fax: (415) 393-0710 OR:
Los Angeles
11111 Santa Monica Blvd., Suite 915
Los Angeles, CA 90025
Phone: (310) 914-7300
Fax: (310) 914-7318
I can't seem to wrap my head around this immunity. If the act wasn't illegal at the time it was committed no immunity is necessary. And if it was illegal at the time it should be sanctioned accordingly, no law should work retroactively either for prosecution or immunity.
How about a Dodd/Feingold ticket? That would so work for me.
right on! @ 17:
There is that, but that isn't even the most important part. Suing the telcos is the only avenue left for the public to seek a judicial ruling on whether or not Bush's surveillance practices are legal, because any attempt to go at the source is automatically shut down with the predictable "state secrets" and "executive privilege" defenses. This is Bush's open fly and he knows it, which is why he's desperately trying to zip it up by protecting the telcos against lawsuits.
Way to go, Chris Dodd. Thank God we have even a single senator willing to stand up to the GOP and go to bat for the Constitution. I don't even mind if you're doing it in part to get votes. You might just have succeeded. ;)
POed Pat says:
"Please go to his website linked in the post and thank him for what he’s done. If he had done something we didn’t like we would let him know, right? He needs our support on this. Finally a candidate who, when someone asks me what that person has done for me, has given me something to say."
Amen. Could this be the crack that breaks the dam? We can hope.
pissed off patricia @ 51:
Hmmm...I've always leaned Edwards but I have to admit that ticket sounds intriguing.
POP @ 48;
Agreed... I also just called Di Fi and informed her staffer to inform her I want her to support the Dodd and hold and fight against Bush's attmept to provide immunity. JD
Good grief, I'm so giddy at this tiny bit of good news I can hardly spell correctly...............(sigh)... JD
Sen. Dodd can say at least he tried, and if we support him, then we can say at least we tried too.
I know, Jack Damage. This is almost as good as an ice cold martini, for a buzz. Almost ;)
Dodd sackin up. That's a good start. Keep going. Make us proud. Long sentences not needed for this.
In my wet dream he drives a truck load of emails supporting his hold into the capitol and dumps them on top of all the traitors.
I think Dodd may well be a sleeper as a presidential candidate. If Gore shirks his responsibility then maybe we ought to give Dodd a closer look.
Its about damn time, I was seriously depressed to see that they were going to pass that bill with the immunity. It was starting to look like something out of a bad novel.
Call (202) 224-6472, and say: "Hi, is this the number I call to get retroactive immunity for my past illegal acts?"
http://www.correntewire.com/call_202_224_6472_and_say_hi_is_this_the_num...
After seven damn years of having bills and legislation rammed down our throat why should be HAVE TO BE BIPARTISIAN...I remember that fat asshat from Wisconsin Sennesbutt going to a conference room where democrats were meeting, taking the mike and turning off the electricity and then calling the police to have them thrown out.
I would go after this common ass piece of republican crap every single time he did anything. AND UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES WOULD I BE BIPARTISAN. If the republicans won't vote for a bill, the democrats are as spineless as crap not to go before the press and tell the country just what they are doing.
What the hell are they afraid of. That republicans won't vote for a bill, hell that's what they are doing now and making the democrats look bad for not passing anything. Seems to me their plans are working a heck of a lot better than the democrats. Kick ass and forget them.
Thank God for Dodd!
Called it. Got a machine and left a message asking for imuunity for a bong hit in college. Said I'm sure it's a simple process compared to the stuff the phone companies did.
Chris @ 63:
Thank you Senator Dodd. What a breath of fresh air. I was about to suffocate.
Jack Damage @ 56:
I called Feinstein's office and raised some hell! I don't care where you are call one of the Intelligence Committee members offices and do the same!!!!
Your spelling is fine Jack!
Along with Dennis Kucinich, he seems to be about the only other member of Congress that acutally seems determined to protect Constitutional freedoms and to halt the slide into corpoate fascism. Bless him! A Congress member with a spine! Thanks, Chris. Good job. Stick to your guns and when the smear machine starts, call a national press conference and tell it like it is.
from Glenn Greenwald regarding the immorality of the retroactive-immunity FISA bill:
...Just think about what is really happening here. AT&T's customers sued them for violating their privacy in violation of long-standing federal laws and for violating their Fourth Amendment rights. Even with the most expensive armies of lawyers possible, AT&T and other telecoms are losing in a court of law. The federal judge presiding over the case ruled against them -- ruled that the law is so clear they could not possibly have believed that what they did was legal -- and most observers, having heard the Oral Argument on appeal, predicted that they will lose in the Court of Appeals, too.
So AT&T and other telecoms went to Washington and -- led by Bush 41 Attorney General (and now Verizon General Counsel) William Barr, and in cooperation with their former colleague, Mike McConnell -- began paying...government officials such as...Jay Rockefeller, to pass a law declaring them the victors in these lawsuits and be relieved of all liability -- all based on assertions that a court of law has already rejected. They are literally buying a judicial victory in Congress -- just like Carothers warned that third-world countries must avoid if they want to become functioning democracies under the "rule of law"
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/index.html
Now let's get them to stop torturing, end the war, and reinstate Habeas Corpus.
Obly @ 52:
The metaphor is disturbing, but you're exactly right. Who knows what the telephone companies will reveal about the scope of the wiretapping if they have to testify under oath.
You will want to notice that Speaker Pelosi has ZERO control over the Senate Intelligence Committee.
The FISA RESTORE Act has no immunity in the bill. That's a direct result of Pelosi's hard work (along with Chair. Conyers and Reyes).
That the DINOS WILL GIVE IT TO HIM IN THE SENATE is not her fault.
Hooray for Dodd's action, but it will probably be morning dew. If only some Senator would do the same to block Mukasey, we might have something to look forward to.
Feinstein is either a moron or corrupt to use this bipartisan crap as an excuse. When there is a right side and a wrong side of an issue there is no meeting the wrong side half way. I am so sick of everybody preaching that there are two equal sides to every issue. Hey here's an idea. . . lets come up with a bipartisan consensus on murder being legal. Lets come up with a bipartisan form of rape. Lets do bipartisan adultery. Maybe the Senator needs a bipartisan slap upside the head? Do you think she would see that as a positive thing?
pissed off patricia @ 6:
This is not the Dem Senate, this is the Senate Intelligence Committee, namely these folks:
John D. Rockefeller IV, Chairman West Virginia
Dianne Feinstein California
Ron Wyden Oregon
Evan Bayh Indiana
Barbara Mikulski Maryland
Russ Feingold Wisconsin
Bill Nelson Florida
Sheldon Whitehouse Rhode Island
Minority party
Kit Bond, Vice Chairman Missouri
John Warner Virginia
Chuck Hagel Nebraska
Saxby Chambliss Georgia
Orrin Hatch Utah
Olympia Snowe Maine
Richard Burr
bipartisan does NOT mean give the repugs what they want.
someone should also put a hold on the media consolidation bill as well.
Plisko @ 74:
YES.
Paul in LA @ 77:
Multiple choice? I choose CORRUPT.
Bluesman @ 16:
Unlike those other figures, Senator Edwards is NOT in the Congress at this time.
Meanwhile, Pat Leahy throws Rockefeller under the bus — where he belongs — for letting things get so far down the road that this became necessary…read on
THANK GOD FOR LEAHY, TOO!
hope @ 78:
Then you are half-right. Would you like to try for 100%?
Paul in LA @ 81:
EXTREMELY CORRUPT?
Sorry, Paul in LA, in the process of doing my happy dance, I misspoke.
When is someone going to take Diane Feinstein aside and remind her she's a freakin' Democrat? She appears to have taken up the reins of Lieberman prior to his turning "independent," pushing through the most outrageous bills in her committee and calling it "bipartisan."
It ain't "bipartisan," baby, it's CAPITULATION TO A DESPOT.
Peace @ 70:
I am waiting for Greenwald to clarify his past statements about how Speaker Pelosi was laying down for Bush, when the FISA RESTORE Act does NOT.
He can also correct his LIE that Pelosi didn't go to YearlyKOS because Bush told her not to.
This is NOT "Congress." This is a handful of DINO Senators -- the same ones AS ALL THIS TIME.
And STILL there are leftists willing to trash the Speaker of the House over the idiotic claim that these DINOs or the Republicans themselves, will change their votes for conviction of THEIR Boy Wonder (and his keeper).
We have twenty-five good Democratic Senators, Dodd among them. Their votes are mostly good, all this time.
Lumping everyone in with the DINOs is bad politics, slander, and hysteria. It's a handful of people, but the US Senate is NOT some converted body as a result of 2006, and will not be a converted body in 2007, though we will have more of a majority to work with. So you might want to cut Leader Reid some slack, since he's not somehow magically able to change DINO or R Senators into puppies.
Medford Tim @ 84:
It doesn't benefit her husband if she actually is a Democrat.
Paul in LA @ 73:
Unless I'm mistaken, Pelosi's House version grants "warrants" for "bunches" of wiretaps. This is unacceptable. There needs to be ONE WARRANT for ONE WIRETAP. If you allow Bush to submit one warrant for hundreds of wiretaps hundreds of innocent people will be spied on in violation of the 4th amendment.
Medford Tim @ 84:
She is a Lame Duck, doesn't have to worry about reelection until 2012, and will probably retire (at 79). She has NEVER voted with the Dems on a partyline vote, but ALWAYS rolls over for his friends (who are mostly Republican and war- and corporate-rich like her).
She won't vote to convict Bush even if he strangles his wife on television.
I'm glad Leahy threw Rockefeller under the bus, but someone needs to look into what is going on in Leahy's own committee. There seems to be a power play by Feinstein and Schumer to make themselves the "deciderers" and to marginalize the real committee chairman, Leahy.
Paul in LA @ 85:
There are plenty of parlementary maneuvers that the leadership can use to stop anything they decide to stop. I don't think "not having the votes" is enough of an excuse. You can not have the votes to put something through. . . but, if I understand congress correctly, the leadership can stop anything at any time and they can replace anybody they want on any committee. You may be cutting them too much slack.
Peace @ 87: Unless I'm mistaken, Pelosi's House version grants "warrants" for "bunches" of wiretaps."
Basket warrants for overseas capture of telecom. That's correct.
"This is unacceptable. There needs to be ONE WARRANT for ONE WIRETAP. If you allow Bush to submit one warrant for hundreds of wiretaps hundreds of innocent people will be spied on in violation of the 4th amendment."
The 4th Amendment does NOT offer rights to foreigners. While I (and Pelosi, probably) might agree with you, the fact is that the bill would not go forward without those basket warrants, so what the Dems have done is require extensive reporting on the 'results' of doing such basket warrants. They have to report the people who were intercepted, etc., to the FISA court and to the Congress.
I don't know when it is that people thought you get clean bills through a divided Congress. Just doesn't happen. There is always something to be angered by, but that's the nature of a Congress, going back to the beginning.
Medford Tim @ 84:
She should have been Lamonted or Liebermaned, however you want to put it, in 2006 but instead faced no opposition. I've read that California does have a recall process for the Senate so unless she is recalled, you are stuck with her for another five years. And even if she is recalled, would there be a special election or would Schwarzenegger be able to appoint a Republican to serve out her term? She may have us all over the barrel and know it.
Plisko @ 90: "There are plenty of parlementary maneuvers that the leadership can use to stop anything they decide to stop."
That is simply untrue. It's untrue both on its substance and on its actuality. In actual fact, the minority has several methods for overriding the majority. An example is the poison pill amendment, which just crashed the FISA RESTORE Act in the House. Another example is the Moveon Resolution, which they brought to the floor on a technicality, even though the Speaker refused to schedule it.
"I don't think "not having the votes" is enough of an excuse."
The only place w