Bush warns of 'World War III'
By Steve Benen Wednesday Oct 17, 2007 5:25pmMuch of the president’s press conference today was devoted to discussion of the administration’s policy towards Iran, which was not at all encouraging. At one point, Bush said, "I’ve told people that if you’re interested in avoiding World War III, it seems like you ought to be interested in preventing them from have the knowledge necessary to make a nuclear weapon."
Matt Yglesias explained how discouraging this is.
Two points. One: This is inane. World War III? Against Iran? Really? Because Iran seems a lot like a medium-sized middle income country with few military capabilities rather than a near peer-competitor of the sort against which you might fight a world war.
Two: Note where Bush has placed the goalposts here. Not preventing Iran from having a nuclear weapon. Preventing Iran from having the knowledge necessary to make a nuclear weapon. I’m not sure what the significance of that switch is, but it seems significant.
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Frist?
And seriously, we need to keep shouting back at the right that they can't do this. Anyone with any basic knowledge of history knows that it is our president leading us down the path to World War III. We can't allow this to happen. Iran is NOT a threat. On the other hand, our president is a serious threat to world peace. This must stop!
What can you say for the human race when they allow a madman to get away with this. . .
In addition, does anyone have an idea why our president so badly wants global war? Does he seriously think that global war will herald the "return of Jesus"?
I have the knowledge necessary to make a nuclear weapon. It's a complex chain reaction of atoms that is necessary to detonate such a device.
Having the ability to do so, well, is a galaxy different. This is very significant in terms of Bush reasoning and cannot be overlooked.
What is our Congress doing, anyway? Have they not learned a thing from Iraq? The dial is spinning, the Q is soon to be replaced with an N and Democrats sit quietly, no one shouting out loud that bombing Iran is NOT an option for these warmongers.
yeah, except he said "nuke-lee-ar weapon", which makes him sound very much like the dumb ass that he is.
He really is "Rapture Ready" isn't he? (I actually saw this on a bumper sticker yesterday)
Being obedient citizens, I suppose we should refill our duct tape supply and freshen up the visqueen rolls.
Watched Lou Dobbs tonight, is he crocked or what ?
it's a self fulfilling prophecy.
the fundies have had their fingers on The Button for so long.
without rivers flowing with blood and a world destroyed by fire and brimstone,
it totally shoots down the whole rapture deal.
the only plus out of this is that i think we may soon be seeing the end of the war of terror marketing campaigns.
i saw some radical new blood splattered ww3 graphics the other night on tv.
It seems to me that the madman Bush, not Ahmadinejad, is the one threatening to cause a nookular WWIII.
It's pretzel logic projection. boosh bought the preziduncy with oil money. Iran will buy operational nukes with oil money. It is whut he wud do.
WHATS THE USE OF HAVING 65,500 NUCLEAR WEAPONS IF YOU DON'T USE THEM
Jeannie See @ 7:
Well, he probably thinks he is. Whether the god he worships would agree...
Bush is a worthless drunk dips**t. Can anyone say LAME DUCK?? Putin punked him though, just fanstasic. Once the U.S. wingnuts figure out this is about War with China and Russia and not Iraq and Iran then this whole sorry debacle will come to an end.
You're mis-quoting Bush. He never said "nuclear." The correct quote should read "nucular (sic)."
The significance is obvious to anyone who will bother to reflect for two seconds on these words:
Preemptive War.
For those lacking the cognitive ability (looks to the right) to fully understand what preemptive war entails, it means WE start a war with or without any rationale, other than to say, hey, we wanted to start it before they did, regardless of the fact of the victim (think Iraq here) had ever attacked, planned to attack, or was even the remotest of threats to us.
Under this policy, any genocide, any war crime, any monstrous deed can be rationalized away for a complicent and immoral populace hungry for more and more blood.
In other words, Bush continues in his march to set the dominoes falling as he fully intends to put us all in the path of the juggernaut, Armageddon.
"The sixth angel poured his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up in order to prepare the way for the kings from the east. And I saw three foul spirits like frogs coming from the mouth of the dragon, from the mouth of the beast, and from the mouth of the false prophet."
Think, if you will, on these faces:
Cheney
Bush
Condi
"These are demonic spirits, performing signs, who go abroad to the kings of the whole world, to assemble them for battle on the great day of God the Almighty."
You get to figure out for yourself who is the anti-christ in this unfolding drama.
We need more BoMbS to protect you from World War 3 so your TV sets don't stop working.
Taxpayers = $$$$$$$$$ = Ka Ching = poof~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~MIC~~~~~~~~Black Hole
Even an oil-rich nation such as Iran understands what peak oil means, and so they're preparing for it. I wonder if that's the real crime here.
This is an easy one, what the chimp is saying is, It doesn't matter if they have or haven't a (bomb) it's now they might make one, maybe. So kill'em and get hold of that republican gold. I used to feel sorry for AmeriaKins cause it was the Boosh Cable's fault, but that was 6 odd years ago. Now it's your fault citizens of america for not dealing with these criminals.
Now I know some may try to flame me, and I understand if you do, but the whole freaking world is pissed I can't be wrong can I?
Hmm, let's see, we attack Iran, the whole world condemns the US, Bush thumbs his nose at them, every other country in the world sanctions the US, Bush threatens to bomb them all, end result, WWIII.
dothehop @ 21:
Think "the burden of the masses"
"Preventing Iran from having the knowledge necessary to make a nuclear weapon. I’m not sure what the significance of that switch is, but it seems significant"
My wife, who is not really in tune with any of this, as we watched said with a shocked look, "did he just say that we should prevent them from having knowledge"
I didn't really catch it but she did.
We get it shrub, You've got a real taste for that global genocide war profiteering and you figure what the hell why not have a little more? After all, who's going to stop you?
The headline should be, "Bush Dreams of World War III."
Even if the Iranians are working on nuclear weapons, it would take years to get it up. It's such a crock that it's almost unbelievable. More and more, this episode feels like Germany in the 1930's. What exactly is the difference between Germany then and America now?
My take on this is, like most people's, is that this is about world domination. However, there's some interesting side bits... of course, they want to take Iran because of their oil reserves and their strategic position. Further, Turkey is building (with US money) 33 dams and water installations on the Tigris and Euphrates rivers, thereby stealing the water from Iraq and Syria. We never hear how upset Syria and Iraq are about their water being stolen... The plan is to irrigate the Harran plain in south eastern Turkey and plant a lot of produce. I believe this is a major goal for the neocons: to be the ones with their fingers on the breadbasket of Europe; they will largely control Europe's supply of food. I may be left of center on this one, but it makes sense that that's the plan...
Of course, Afghanistan is about opium poppies...
Funny, Iran doesn't look a bit like Poland.
The significance is whether or not Bush can prove it. Now they don't need to have a nuclear weapon, they just need to know how to make one. Not good.
The President lacks legal legitimacy and defenses under Geneva to wage war. Inside the White House, counsel have been asked to make a case for and against war. The legal arguments have shifted from whether Geneva will or will not be enforced against the US; to whether the US -- with its military power -- can avoid world effort to enforce Geneva. The lawyers are incorrectly overestimating the ease the US military will defeat Iran; and they are incorrectly assuming the Military results will insulate legal counsel. Note, these bad assumptions were at the core of the WH-counsel-supported illegal decisions to ignore FISA and the "lack of evidence about WMD in Iraq".
Also, these are the same kinds of convoluted arguments we saw prior to the invasion of Iraq. Based on history, the goal of this non-sense isn't to address any debatable point, but to shift the attention to Congress and the public from the reckless WH/Congress, to the absurdity in the arguments. There's no better time to wage war than when you have people arguing over arguments, not arguing with the government.
For example, I have a problem with the President's implicit assumption -- that denying them knowledge we can avoid WWIII:
1. Knowledge Is Retained Regardless US Military Actions
The world, not just Iran, has "the knowledge" to make nuclear weapons. The issue isn't the knowledge, or lack of knowledge, but the physical means. Even if the US were to destroy all Iranian nuclear-related efforts -- regardless their connection or non-connection with peaceful efforts -- nothing will prevent Iranians from using information to create nuclear weapons.
2. Iran has no control over the US Actions to Wage Illegal War
It is absurd to premise [a] an effort to "block information/knowledge" on [b] whether or not Iran's acquisition of information will or will not result in a war. Only the US is choosing to go to war. The best the US can offer is they will blame Iran for anything -- regardless reality/facts -- as an excuse to attack Iran. War is not a function of whether the Iranians have knowledge; but whether the US has decided to wage war.
"What exactly is the difference between Germany then and America now?"
true believers vs. greedheads.
Pete at 17 says: The sixth angel poured his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up in order to prepare the way for the kings from the east.
How wild, I didn't see your post, Pete, before posting mine. "And it's water was dried up in order to prepare the way"... that's what's happening... they are stealing the water from Iraq and Syria.... the once mighty Euphrates is going to be full of bones and rusting armaments. God, how disgusting this whole thing is.
And, by and large, people do nothing.
d-man @ 3:
Uh oh. Maybe God has been talking to him again lately and telling him to Nuke Iran. That God, He'd better cut that crap out right now, dammit!!!
Sort of on topic: It was announced today that Richard Roberts, son of Oral & president of ORU, is taking a leave of absence. The "untrue allegations have struck a terrible blow in my heart," he says. George Pearsons, chairman of the ORU board of regents, states they would want him to return if allegations in the lawsuit are found to be untrue.
Now wait a minit--Is Mr. Pearsons calling God a liar? Cuz Richard done said that God told him to tell the people this is a bunch of bullcrap. Oh ye of little faith....
Little Georgie Bush and Little Richard Roberts--what do they have in common besides megalomania, filthy-rich, dishonest, conniving fathers, a sense of entitlement, unchecked power, and the utmost devotion to Jezus?? Compare and contrast.
Lynda,
Yes, it is very frightening for many reasons.
The only person threatening anything is Bush. How in the hell could a sitting president utter the words WW3 and citizens and Congress not know that he is a madman? The term lame duck needs to be replaced with "insanity-without-check. Hello, Congress, please, please help us.
Oh God! Please let there be Star Trek so I can scream from the very depths of my soul-"Now Scotty, NOW! Beam me up!.
There are people who actually support this fucking lunatic. I see lunatic people.
I am truly bewildered-why doesn't Congress declare him insane and remove him?
Curious, this President and Congress point to the "iranian absuses" -- that are fiction -- to distract attention from the President's real abuses -- which are evidence. Time for the President to ask if he is going to be happy if the world decides to wage WWIII against him. It takes two sides to wage war; just because the US has waged war in WWI and WWII -- and "won" those wars -- it doesn't mean the US, because it is involved with a third WWIII is destined to win. Losses: Vietnam, Iraq. The US is not destined to win or prevail.
Does this President not realize that the world migbt conclude it has no option -- in its goal to restore order and stability -- but to wage war against this President and Congress?
I would suggest that anyone with the ability to draw all your money out of your bank, make sure your passport is up to date with all verifiable paperwork, get a fully equiped first aid kit in your vehicle along with a full tank at all times, emergency plans for evacuation and the courage to leave all behind to get the heck out of this country at the first sign that this mad man makes good on his promise to bring about world war. Canada, Mexico, wherever.
Be ready.
"Preventing Iran from having the knowledge necessary to make a nuclear weapon."
bah, that's nonsense. since the old arpanet days, anyone with half a brain could find the info and figure out how to build a bomb. that's a piece of cake. the *tough* part is assembling the technologies involved. some of the parts necessary are very, exacting in a clockwork fashion but even moreso.
I'm sure China won't mind financing WWIII so we can cut off their oil supply.
Russia has already warned the US not to invade Iran. is this warning not enough for this President? Russia is not required to honor treaties the US ignores, violates; or that put Russia at a disadvantage. Once the US president and Congress start violating the law, Russia and her allies are not bound by the same restraints.
Russia's actions are not unreasonable: They are genuinely concerned, on top of the US lawlessness in Iraq, what the US might do if it expands combat operations outside Iraq. Russia views the countries north of Iran as in her sphere of influence; the US, in the mind of Russia, has less of a legal claim or right to use these countries to attack Iran than do the Russians.
There's nothing stopping the Russians from mobilizing the disaffected insurgents in Iraq, African, and Central America to start ground operations against the Mexicans, Canadians, and Americans. They've already planned a gun production facility in Venezuela. Once the US President starts waving his gun around, Russia is less hesitant for attempting to use indirect combat forces around the globe to indirectly or directly jeopardize US national interests. The US is already isolated. The world is less inclined to run to the aid of the US when the Americans are bullying large powers to assent to non-sense. The US cannot afford to lose this many allies, especially given the US's inability to mobilize, organize resources, or raise forces to prevail in Iraq. A mobilized world -- under the leadership of Russia -- is a formidable foe.
Jo @ 37:
Why wait?
Jo @ 37:
on my way to fillup now!
When Bush says he is trying to avoid war with a country, that means he's preparing to attack it. Take Iraq. It wasn't a last resort option. And WWIII, that's something the neocons and fundies talk about regularly and want. We weren't even thinking about it happening, and he's acting like we're assuming it might happen. He's the one thinking about it. Someone elect a Democratic president or Ron Paul.
Jo,
Hate to say it, but if he makes good on that promise NOWHERE in the world will be safe from fallout or anything else.
Seems like a natural progression to me. If you've already defeated Hitler (Saddam) in your own private WWII (Iraq), you've got no choice but to up the ante.
What's he going to do for an encore? Compare Syria to the Martians from War of the Worlds?
Ari Fleisher is launching a 200 million dollar campaign in the media to convince us that war is necessary with Iran. And just as the media lied to us before the war and occupation of Iraq, so they will lie to us again.
When there is money to be made waging war, very few people will tell the truth. The same corporations own the bulk of the media as well as the war machine. Just follow the profit/money.
Gates is repeating Bush insanity.
Lynda from Australia @ 26:
...right because if there is something than Europe lacks is plenty of food, not that they are paying one quarter of its agrarian force to not grow stuff because the domestic European market is so saturated with produce.
Europe has plenty of fertile land, that is why they make the best wine in the world, the effect of irrigating some desert to grow produce to compete with stuff grown locally at a fraction of the cost is ridiculous. Never mind that desert land is fairly poor for agriculture no matter how much you irrigate it (think alkalines, lack of nutrients, etc...)
Dubya’s BFF Vlad dissed Dubya’s girlfriend and the Sec Def; kept them waiting and the meeting didn’t go well...
The day got off to a rocky start when Putin kept Rice and Gates waiting for 40 minutes before meeting them and then began the session with a lengthy monologue detailing Russian complaints.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/10/12/putin.missile.ap/index.html
Putin had better things to do; look at the happy faces...
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/F63A575C-55E3-4767-8DD8-0E03FDB54...
Dubya looked into Putin’s eyes and saw his soul? No, he saw the man Dubya wished he could be. Dubya is a poser; Putin is the real deal. Dubya and Shotgun Dick want to play chicken with the former head of the KGB? Bad news all around.
The Populist @ 44:
Very true. Reminds me of the movie "On the Beach". Dear God, will no one rid us of this meddlesome priest?
Dr. Who @ 48:
Quite.
That struck me as a weird thought ......
Then again with the things I see being said today from all sides and especially the white house, there is little that surprises me now.
Dr. Who - I get your point - although I believe that the Harran plains are not infertile... but there's something in what I'm saying.... there's a reason they're doing this, and I don't believe it's just to feed the Turks.
The drums are beating - again. If we, as a country, can't stop him this time, how do we look at our grandchildren straight in the face?
Once again, the manchurian president reminds us that we have always been at war with Eastasia.
Does World War III have anything to do with the GOP's War On Children?
Guess he wasn't kidding about remaining "relevant" -- even if he has to kill us all to get his point across.
I wonder if the Dems could get him to come in off the ledge by handing him some legislation he can veto. That always makes him feel special.
naschkatze @ 11:
prez fucksupalot scares the fucking shit out of me!!!
fiver @ 53:
What grandchildren???? Will anybody be alive???
Kinda interesting...the one country in the world who hasused nuclear weapon on civilians, TWICE, has the audacity to legitimize who can own them. Yet somehow I have never seen that as a talking point.
your President scares the fuck outta me. Why aren't you guys all marching on washington in protest? Is your gestapo (dept of homeland security)scaring everyone into silence?
Jo @ 46:
Is Ari going to lead the charge?
Quote from the Miserable failures Speech:
THE PRESIDENT: I think so long -- until they suspend and/or make it clear that they -- that their statements aren't real, yeah, I believe they want to have the capacity, the knowledge, in order to make a nuclear weapon.
Hey Jack-Ass, remember the Internet? why don't you have one of you forty some odd "Speechalists" on your staff Google " how to make a nuclear bomb". The Know-how is already there. So what is the other fucking point you wanted to make?
Everyone just imagine now, Let's say for shits and giggles Iran did get the bomb. Imagine they Nuked a Western City either directly or indirectly. What would the retaliation be from us? TOTAL and absolute destruction of Iran. We would probably launch our ICBMs from a Submarine-and Iran would CEASE TO EXIST!! Am I correct? Anyone argue with that?
Now, ask yourself this: what would be the advantage for Iran to do this if it results in total destruction of their society?
Don't fall for this JACK-ASS's LIES-IMPEACH CHENEY IMPEACH BUSH!
Everyone in LA- we have a Anti-WAR protest on October 27th. see answerla.org
Kos has coverage of Fleisher's $200M budget to promote warfare with Iran. Didn't we learn from the illegal invasion of Iraq: Former government offiicals-turned media-dogs do not regain their lost credibilty. Bad ideas are still bad, regardless the packaging.
President Bush gives me BDS(Bush Derangement Syndrome). Now I know why I am so angry all the time.
Oh! Fer crapsakes! There is every reason to believe that an attack on Iran would bring a number of other players into it. Have you been paying attention to Putin? And even if China and Russia were unlikely to take an actively dim view of it, do you really think the rest of the Muslim world will just continue to take it from us and Israel? What the hell can be your thinking for trying to diminish the popularly held belief that an attack on Iran would indeed herald WWIII? Just because * had the poor taste to actually SAY it, doesn't mean it isn't a real possibility, and there happen to be a bunch of Israel lobby people, including Christian Zionists, who are salivating for exactly this. Are you secretly hoping for it, or what?
The idiot smirks when he says "World War II".
Because its really "World War W". He'll have a great legacy afterwards. As good as anyone's. None.
Mike the Canuck @ 60:
No, it's because Survivor's on tee vee.
Ruthless People @ 67:
Hey, if we had known things were going to turn out like this, we would have voted Bush off the island.
Freedom ain't free , yeehaw!
Sniffffffff, smell the fear. We just gotta hang on until the inauguration , that is, if aren't not all dead before then.
To Mike the Canuck #60
Only 100,000 + went to DC on Sept. 15th. I was one of 50,000+ in Los Angeles on March 17th and I will be there again on October 27th. When you campare the numbers to our population, the turnout percentage is pitifull. We are mostly a nation of apathetic, complacent, and selfish overweight consumer slaves.
Most people here do not realize the depths of the coporate takeover of our government. most have no integrity, passion, honor, nor respect for themselves and others unless it affects them directly. We are a nation that is so overwhelmed in multi-tasking that most are not aware that habeas corpus is gone ( and no one really knows what it means anyway). We are to busy talking on our cell phones while eating McDonalds and driving our gas guzzling SUV's at the same time to notice anything. No one knows about NSPD-51 and no one knows about the 600 to 800 FEMA PRISON CAMPS that Chertoff and his "Wonder-Gut" have constructed. No one beleives the few like myself when we scream out "Houston, we Have A Problem!"
Two: Note where Bush has placed the goalposts here. Not preventing Iran from having a nuclear weapon. Preventing Iran from having the knowledge necessary to make a nuclear weapon. I’m not sure what the significance of that switch is, but it seems significant.
He has moved the goalposts several times in the last few months. Each excuse/reason has not done the job of convincing the public. It sounds like he is getting desperate now. He wants to kill another million people because their leaders "might" have knowledge necessary to make a nuclear weapon?
"having the knowledge necessary to make a nuclear weapon"
Sounds a lot like "weapons related programs" to me.
Once Bush has thrown the entire Middle East into chaos and his pals in the Saudi royal family along with big oil are left to control the entire fossil fuels production, I wonder if the fanatics on the right will understand the focus of their goal? Alternative fuels will be a faint memory until Dictator Bush (or his successor), through their benevolence, will find and distribute alternative fuels just in the nick of time when fossil fuel sources have run dry.
By then, we will be at war with East Asia as well. George Orwell just got the year wrong.
That's pretty melodramatic. But if we don't watch and guard for ourselves and the future for our children, who will?
Hey Ghost - yea, I've thought that too. Odd that we're the ONLY country to have ever used atomic weapons in war, yet we're telling people who can and can't have them. So f'd up.
HOW IN THE HELL DID THAT ASSHOLE EVER GET IN?!
stop global warming with nuclear winter
To qualify what I'm going to say I want to make it clear that I agree with most of the posts above. But for the record I believe in this case, IMO, we are misunderstanding what Bush meant. I believe what he was incompetently trying to get across was that if Iran gained the 'nukuler' capability that THEY would start WWIII, not that we would start WWIII. Not that he doesn't seem to want to do that anyway, but I don't think that's what he was saying here.
Barry Halpern @ 77:
That's possible, Barry. But I think back to his comment "in the form of a mushroom cloud" and feel that he is not quite so ineloquent.
They probably already know how to build a nuclear bomb, but knowing how is not the same as actually building one. You can’t start bombing and killing people just because they know how to do something. And just how do we keep them from acquiring that knowledge by bombing them? Destroying their facilities doesn’t destroy the knowledge of how to build a bomb, just the means to do so. I suppose they could try to eliminate those scientists who seemed to have the knowledge, but I kinda think the ship has sailed on this one. They probably have the knowledge, and there’s nothing that can be done about it.
Barry Halpern @ 77:
I think he was implying that Iran would use it's bomb on Israel and that would start WWIII. Here's why I think that's a red herring:
Would any Muslim country want to vaporize the Temple Mount in Jerusalem where Muhammad rose to heaven? Imagine the reaction of the rest of the Muslim world if they did.
Why would a Muslim country nuke Israel when they are trying to return the land to the Palestinians who they believe to be the rightful owners? That would be throwing that baby out with the bathwater. The country would be unlivable after a nuclear attack. The Palestinians would have nothing to return to.
How many Palestinians would be killed if Israel was nuked? They don’t all live in Gaza and the West Bank, and a nuclear attack on Israel would also effect those who do. The fallout would hundreds of thousands at least.
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is not the real power in Iran. The real power in Iran is the Grand Ayatollah, and a Muslin Cleric would not allow an attack on a holy Muslim shrine like the Temple Mount in Jerusalem.
It's just more fear mongering by the meistermonger.
You might expect a serial rapist to rape again. You might expect a killer to kill again. In this case there is no again. Iran has not attacked anyone.
You can't walk down the street and point at someone and say "Hey lock him up, he might kill someone" when he has never done so. It bush that has attacked without provocation. It is bush that started an unnessesary war. It is bush ranting about war. President Alphabet had the balls to come here and while he was here bush hid like the coward he is. bush tried to have his mouth pieces tell us he was working on diplomacy.
Someone get bush a dictionary. The crap he is pulling is not diplomacy.
Carmikl @ 80:
Probably also worth mentioning that Israel has nukes of its own. I don't know how strongly the Grand Ayatollah feels about Muslim shrines, but I'm guessing he cares quite a bit about not getting himself and hundreds of thousands of his compatriots vaporized.
What the neocons are really afraid of is that nuclear-armed Iran would shift the balance of power in the region. Right now Israel is holding all the aces, but that all changes if Iran gets nukes. The neocons are determined not to let that happen -- even if it means compounding the mistake they made in Iraq.
Janet @ 81:
nice points, I've not seen him called "President Alphabet" before, that sure did make me laugh :D
"....Preventing them from have the knowledge necessary to make a nuclear weapon."
Fucking what? Way to be, George. Just take all the textbooks out of Iran. In about 10 years the whole fucking country will be illiterate.
I have a feeling this President will continue to an embarrasment long after he assumes the role of ex-President, which is saying a lot. Even Nixon and Reagan became respectable after a few years out of office.
i am looking forward to seeing this asshole burn in hell--
WWIII,perhaps if W has his way.It would be WWWIII .
Oh well.All the Rapture nuts will be in ecstasy.
To me the most frightening phrase is "have the knowledge necessary". The only knowledge about the design of fission weapons not in the public domain is the design for the initiator. Everything else is available in declassified documents, scientific papers and textbooks. Curiously enough I discovered this on a very personal level. My undergraduate degree was in solid state physics and materials science. In graduate schools I went on to study computer modeling of solid state and fluid systems. When you start reading papers on these subjects you soon discover that this is the heart and soul of weapons design. Throw in a little bit of shockwave theory and a soupcon of technical data on conventional explosives and you are there. The only technically challenging part of the whole thing is isotope separation and the Iranians already have that from the Pakistanis. A mainframe computer would be nice to have to work out the evolution of the hydrodynamics but a laptop would do if you're not in a hurry.
JFK...assassinated
Martin Luther King...assassinated
John Lennon...assassinated
All men of peace.
G.W. Bush?
Where's the justice?
I never thought I'd say this - bring back Haloscan!
Barry Halpern @ 77:
And the reality of course is Iran, or China, or Russia, or any of the Caspian states don't want to be starting war with anyone. We are the terrorist who go around murdering people on an agenda set by the globalists and multi-national corps.
We and Israel have forced other countries into this posturing from our arms race diplomacy..
Bush's daughters won't be deployed because of "tennis elbow" or some other bar related injury