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Real Time with Bill Maher: Kasparov on Democracy

(guest blogged by Bill W.)

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Here’s Bill Maher’s interview with Garry Kasparov to discuss his latest book ” How Life Imitates Chess: Making the Right Moves, from the Board to the Boardroom .” Kasparov is currently challenging President Putin in Russia ( Here’s the original link via the way back machine) and has assumed great risk in doing so, as Former KGB general Oleg Kalugin said about Putin

Putin? Well, I was always outspoken about him. I know this man’s background better than many others. I do not talk in details—people who knew them are all dead now because they were vocal, they were open. I am quiet. There is only one man who is vocal, and he may be in trouble: [former] world chess champion [Garry] Kasparov. He has been very outspoken in his attacks on Putin, and I believe that he is probably next on the list.

Kasparov speaks some about it in this exchange:

Bill Maher: Do you think your fame protects you? Do you think you are such an icon in Russia because of your past chess history that Putin would not kill you?

Garry Kasparov: No I don’t think my name affords me an ultimate protection but unlike many other activists in Russia I can rely on my name and my fame, but still I take some measures to minimize the risk.I have bodyguards in Russia, I do not fly Aeroflot, (laughter) I do not consume any food or liquid in places that I’m not fully aware of, but again it’s just minimizing the risk. I know that it may not offer me any ultimate protection if the worst comes to worst.

Maher: But when you look at what’s going on in Russia, Putin has a very high approval rating. I mean there is something in the …

Kasparov: How do you know? (laughter) I mean are you sure? Are you relying on the polling results of the police state? I think that with the same type of media and pervasive security force, I believe Bush and Cheney could enjoy the same approval rating here. (applause)

Maher: Checkmate to me.

The entire interview was really great. Do check it out.




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Orangutan. Says:

Here is another interesting excerpt from the show.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5BJzEshMes

Bill really struck a nerve last night being reported on by CNN, Yahoo News, and The Associated Press.

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Chris Says:

Bill Maher is a joke. What kind of man bellyaches about things like the Iraq war and other things the neocons are doing and isn’t willing to question the event that jump started it all?

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Thing Fish Says:

I do not fly Aeroflot, (laughter)

And Ashcroft would only fly by private jet.

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Otay Says:

Excellent interview. Thanks, C&L.

BTW, wouldn’t our country be great if we actually respected intelligence in our leaders….

…yeah, I know, I’ll stop the dreaming here.

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Zenrage Says:

Uhh.. C&L?

Did you mean to say that “Putin is challenging Putin” in the second line of your article?

If so, how?

Site Monitor: No, it’s a typo and we’ve already notified the admins to correct it.

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tyree Says:

mahers shouts out asshole to the demonstratiors, i though he was telling his adience what he is! mahers is a big headed ignorent fart, and his jokes blow chunks!

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wijg Says:

Garry Kasparov is a bright guy, I enjoyed listening to him last night.

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tyree Says:

[deleted. Right, we got it. You don’t like Maher. Please tone it down now, tyree, thank you. Sitemonitor]

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Divorced one like Bush Says:

As Chris Mathews spoke about how it was refreshing not to be talked down to, and the audience was listening, he asks why can’t our people talk to us? I just wanted to hold up a mirror to him for the answer.

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tyree Says:

tyree @ 8:

[deleted. Right, we got it. You don’t like Maher. Please tone it down now, tyree, thank you. Sitemonitor]

sorry

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E Ryno Says:

Chessmaster dude, please come run our country . . . I would vote for you.

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joanie Says:

I applaud this website for only reporting the “intelligent” information of this show. That was a good discussion with the Russian gentleman. Your website has more class than to report Bill Maher’s anger as a news worthy item. I probably will have to endure “Bill Maher’s” outburst on Hardball, Fox, CNN….Commentators are NOT the news. The news channels are starting to spend 15 minutes playing clips of themselves or other commentators. Again, these are not news worthy. I don’t care if Matthews was there….I don’t care to hear any debate about this. Commentators are starting to make themselves the CELEBRITY. Yuk! I want real news and information.

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Joseph Says:

Another Assault On Reason

I think it must cost about 3 to 5 million dollars to produce the Bill Maher show. It cost another 1 million to book the guest and promote the guest. I knew who was coming on to the show, and the highlights peaked what they were going to talk about. I got my energy drink, some potato chips and some Italian salami. I was all set to here the mega debate I waited all week for. As the video showed, it was not to be. Instead somebody in the audience thought they would take control of my entertainment for the evening and yell out shit about a debate they knew was not going to happen. This was my liberal disappointment.

Joseph

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Mr Pelicano Says:

I see that Kasparov formed the “Other Russia” coalition between his United Civil Front and the National Bolshevik Party, a notorious neo-fascist, ultra-nationalist party noted for it’s xenophobia and anti-semitism. Perhaps Mr. Kasparov likes hanging out with the hot chicks in the NBP like Yuliya (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Yuliya.jpg) or maybe he’s just not as big on democracy as he’d like us to believe. Certainly carrying a bit of baggage, IMHO.

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uncle joe mccarthy Says:

kasparov is a genius….for real

and despite the fact that the current russia is a police state, its nice to see that activists can speak out…even if it is on a foreign tv show

as to the truthers that continue to pollute this and other blogs everytime a maher clip is posted…..get a fucking life

there are tons of blogs where all you guys can have a huge 9/11 circle jerk…just not here

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tyree Says:

cheer up thiers allways next week for another dissapointing evening on the bill mahers show!

I’m on The Authoritarians mailing list and I’m most interested in the part of the interview where Kasparov debunks the fiction that love of Authoritarianism is an inherent part of the Russian Soul, by citing the examples of North Korea v. South Korea and Taiwan vs. China for a post I’m working on.

First time I’ve ever heard anybody make that clear cut a case of how bogus the Authoritarian model of governance is, and if anybody can get their hands on the transcript of that portion of it, I’d appreciate it.

Thanks!

~nwa

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Doz Says:

It’s amazing to me how the Western media blows sunshine up this guy’s butt, and fails to mention the facts about his “Other Russia” coalition. The guy literally has combined Nazi-Communists in his corner.

Great marketing, pity about the taste.

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uncle joe mccarthy Says:

rp4pres @ 15:

[refers to deleted post]

i think it was an accent thing

putin isnt a jew

kasparov is

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jimbo92107 Says:

It’s not just that Kasparov talks circles around mediocre discussions like the one on Maher’s show, it’s that he sees so much further into the subject. Lots of people can bullshit their way through Maher; Kasperov displayed a level of clear-headed reasoning that made me glad to have ears. Maher conceded “checkmate” to Kasperov three times during the interview, but Kasperov wasn’t trying to beat Maher, merely to enlighten him about aspects of the game that Americans seldom consider.

Bravo, Kasperov. What a pleasure to hear that man speak.

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uncle joe mccarthy Says:

Dustin de Wynde @ 18:

I’m on The Authoritarians mailing list and I’m most interested in the part of the interview where Kasparov debunks the fiction that love of Authoritarianism is an inherent part of the Russian Soul, by citing the examples of North Korea v. South Korea and Taiwan vs. China for a post I’m working on.

First time I’ve ever heard anybody make that clear cut a case of how bogus the Authoritarian model of governance is, and if anybody can get their hands on the transcript of that portion of it, I’d appreciate it.

Thanks!

~nwa

however, 60 years of authoritarian rule, preceded by the cz0ars does make it much more difficult for democracy to flourish in russia

but kasparov is right

we have shirked our responibilities in assisting the former soviet union in achieving a more democratic state

doesnt help that the current administration is still filled with guys who have wet dreams over a return of the cold war

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tyree Says:

tyree @ 10:

tyree @ 8:

[deleted. Right, we got it. You don’t like Maher. Please tone it down now, tyree, thank you. Sitemonitor]

sorry

you left something out !!!!!

[no kidding. :) - site monitor]

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tyree Says:

uncle joe mccarthy @ 22:

Dustin de Wynde @ 18:

I’m on The Authoritarians mailing list and I’m most interested in the part of the interview where Kasparov debunks the fiction that love of Authoritarianism is an inherent part of the Russian Soul, by citing the examples of North Korea v. South Korea and Taiwan vs. China for a post I’m working on.

First time I’ve ever heard anybody make that clear cut a case of how bogus the Authoritarian model of governance is, and if anybody can get their hands on the transcript of that portion of it, I’d appreciate it.

Thanks!

~nwa

however, 60 years of authoritarian rule, preceded by the cz0ars does make it much more difficult for democracy to flourish in russia

but kasparov is right

we have shirked our responibilities in assisting the former soviet union in achieving a more democratic state

doesnt help that the current administration is still filled with guys who have wet dreams over a return of the cold war

its true ,perhaps if wed have moved in on the soviet union with guns and bayonets we could have brought them democracy,

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uncle joe mccarthy Says:

uncle joe mccarthy @ 20:

rp4pres @ 15:

[refers to deleted post]

i think it was an accent thing

putin isnt a jew

kasparov is

why was his post deleted?

it really doesn sound like kasparov uses the word jew in a derogatory fashion….which makes very little sense…but still

if the election isnt fixed, i think it would be really cool if the leader of russia is jewish

just think of the internets all abuzz with all the anti semitic conspiracy nuts

[exactly - that’s what we’re trying to avoid on this site: all the anti semitic conspiracy nuts. Sitemonitor]

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tyree Says:

tyree @ 23:

tyree @ 10:

tyree @ 8:

[deleted. Right, we got it. You don’t like Maher. Please tone it down now, tyree, thank you. Sitemonitor]

sorry

you left something out !!!!!

[no kidding. :) - site monitor]

uncle joes bucking for your job!!

This guy was VERY IMPRESSIVE!

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One Year Wonder Says:

Tweety’s man-love for political power is astounding. What a scumbag.

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John Says:

Pretty sure he’s saying geopolitical tool. His accent does distort it though.

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tHeGaMeOfLiFe Says:

Kasparov is a listen for sore ears. He gave clear, no bullshit responses.

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tHeGaMeOfLiFe Says:

tyree @ 24:

uncle joe mccarthy @ 22:

Dustin de Wynde @ 18:

I’m on The Authoritarians mailing list and I’m most interested in the part of the interview where Kasparov debunks the fiction that love of Authoritarianism is an inherent part of the Russian Soul, by citing the examples of North Korea v. South Korea and Taiwan vs. China for a post I’m working on.

First time I’ve ever heard anybody make that clear cut a case of how bogus the Authoritarian model of governance is, and if anybody can get their hands on the transcript of that portion of it, I’d appreciate it.

Thanks!

~nwa

however, 60 years of authoritarian rule, preceded by the cz0ars does make it much more difficult for democracy to flourish in russia

but kasparov is right

we have shirked our responibilities in assisting the former soviet union in achieving a more democratic state

doesnt help that the current administration is still filled with guys who have wet dreams over a return of the cold war

its true ,perhaps if wed have moved in on the soviet union with guns and bayonets we could have brought them democracy,

Yeah, that will be a day. chimpy will definitely get his WWIII, the chickenhawk, chicshit.

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jr Says:

really good segment

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justabill Says:

Dustin de Wynde @ 18:

I’m on The Authoritarians mailing list and I’m most interested in the part of the interview where Kasparov debunks the fiction that love of Authoritarianism is an inherent part of the Russian Soul, by citing the examples of North Korea v. South Korea and Taiwan vs. China for a post I’m working on.

First time I’ve ever heard anybody make that clear cut a case of how bogus the Authoritarian model of governance is, and if anybody can get their hands on the transcript of that portion of it, I’d appreciate it.

Thanks!

~nwa

Don’t ever say I didn’t do anything for you. hehe

Maher: Yeah but come on, there is something in the Russian soul that loves a strongman. I mean Yeltsin didn’t …

Kasparov:Woah woah, wait wait wait, this is total nonsense you know. It’s refuted by history. If you look for instance at two Koreas. You have North Korea that is one big concentration camp, and South Korea, it’s a flourishing market economy and democracy, and it’s the same people. You can look at Taiwan and China and I could give many other examples, for instance East Germany and West Germany 25 years ago. I don’t think there is anything in the national soul that makes some people not ready for democracy and some are fitting for equality and when I look at this administration as trying to build democracy in Iraq at the expense of democracy in Russia I got confused. (applause)

Maher: When I saw this week Putin, the picture of Putin with Ahmadinejad of Iran I thought you know, here once again Bush has succeeded in uniting our enemies and dividing our friends, you got to admit, at least your guy isn’t stupid.

Kasparov:Yeah, I don’t think it makes me feel comfortable just to accepting the fact that he outplayed your guy. (laughter/applause) It went wrong for Bush at the very beginning because at theiur first summit Bush tried to play psychiatrist and look at Putin’s eyes searching for his soul.

Maher: Right.

Kasparov: Instead of looking at his record, and now Putin is just basically spitting in his face making this open friendship with Ahmadinejad, but it was obvious from the very beginning because Putin has only one item in his geopolitical agenda. He needs high oil prices and tension in the middle east helps him to keep the oil prices at an all time high, so that’s why he sells nuclear technology to Iran, he sells missiles to Hesbollah and Hamas via syria, because it helps him to stay in power. If the oil price goes down, the Putin regime goes down and I’m surprised the White House didn’t recognize it in time. (applause)

Chris Matthews: Geezus!

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Orangutan. Says:

John @ 29:

Pretty sure he’s saying geopolitical tool. His accent does distort it though.

I’m glad you said that, because I was confused as heck about that as well. This makes more sense though.

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Orangutan. Says:

One Year Wonder @ 28:

Tweety’s man-love for political power is astounding. What a scumbag.

I continue to notice this as well. And as much as I hated to admit it. It sure seems true. He does it constantly.

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Jenny’O Says:

big deal, running for sherrif in some kentucky counties puts your life in danger.

i looked around bit at the web site, location of the interview. it strikes me that putin is what george bust et al want to be. he can have ppl whacked whenever. and when he says dead or alive it’s usually dead–accidently. dumb ol george never seems to hit what he shoots at while trying desparatly to be a ruler king. a pathetic puppet tyrant, pawn of an evil cabal.

i know you want to say something about cheney shooting an old man in the face because he thought he was a duck but that was too easy and I would never stoop to that level…you know the level of mentioning that dick cheney shoot an old an in the face! etc etc

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uncle joe mccarthy Says:

Orangutan. @ 34:

John @ 29:

Pretty sure he’s saying geopolitical tool. His accent does distort it though.

I’m glad you said that, because I was confused as heck about that as well. This makes more sense though.

hey…we have a prez who cant pronounce nuclear

so kasparov has a hard time pronouncing geopolitical

at least he understands what geopolitical means…..unlike the chimp

is putin even going to allow elections to occur?

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justabill Says:

uncle joe mccarthy @ 37:

Orangutan. @ 34:

John @ 29:

Pretty sure he’s saying geopolitical tool. His accent does distort it though.

I’m glad you said that, because I was confused as heck about that as well. This makes more sense though.

hey…we have a prez who cant pronounce nuclear

so kasparov has a hard time pronouncing geopolitical

at least he understands what geopolitical means…..unlike the chimp

is putin even going to allow elections to occur?

I didn’t have any trouble understanding him. He does better than Bush and this is a foreign language to him.

Matthews: He would be a, … Do you ever get the feeling that they are playing chess and we’re playing checkers? (laughter) They are so far, he is so far beyond. That was sophisticated and this audience listening to every word. Our guys never get to that level of sophistication. They talk down to us.

Maher: Right.

Matthews: You got to follow a guy like him because you want to. (applause)

Maher: And he has to fight just to run, not just to win.

Matthews: And he’s thinking in Russian. He’s thinking in Russian and talking to us in another language. Imagine one of our guys talking in a foreign language at that level of sophistication?

Maher: No, not on your show. (laughter)

It’s only when he’s not busy being a rightwing tool on his show I ever find myself agreeing with tweety.

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tyree Says:

it aint going to matter if russhia has elections, bush has shown the world americas not to be trusted ever again after he made us a first strike country, the cold wars comeing back and this time the ruskys arent going to worry about submarines thiers or ours, if war breaks out its going to be bombers and missels, weve been crying for 6 yrs over three thousand humans killed on 911 , well thats just the downpayment on bushes legacy!

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evolution Says:

You think Kasparov was an impressive debater? Take a look at his 7 chess matches against IBM Deep Blue. Kasparov was the greatest chess player in history, bar none. This guy’s brain is barely human.

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justabill Says:

evolution @ 40:

You think Kasparov was an impressive debater? Take a look at his 7 chess matches against IBM Deep Blue. Kasparov was the greatest chess player in history, bar none. This guy’s brain is barely human.

I just hope that barely human brain of his doesn’t get splattered all over his doorstep or boiled in gamma rays by a biggie sized order of polonium 210.

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mudshark Says:

when(if) Putin gets the boot…Russia and the world would be better off.Kasparov seem like a decent person.Just think what it would be like if it was Kusinich,Edwards or Obama….running the US and Kasparov being Prez of Russia.That looks alot better to me than what we have right now.I swear when I hear Tweety laugh it reminds me of Burgess Meredith as the Penguin.As for Maher getting pissed off at the hecklers….I think he was right.They were off topic…and rude to his guests.Obviously this was planned….so they got what they deserved.All in all…..it was a lack luster show.