Guiliani is going down.

It’s OK if god fearing republicans do it!

“Mr. Guiliani, do you approve of waterboarding?”

“Umm…….Well, I tell ya, it depends on………hang on, its the wife”

So Rudy, if you or someone you love gets waterboarded, is it torture? If it is for you, it is for everyone. Can’t have it both ways.

Translation - If the USA does it, it’s not torture!
This is the same kind of thinking Nixon had - If the President does it, it’s not illegal!

Actually, Giuliani is entirely correct. Sorry, guys!

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(Hint: It’s not torture when Keifer Sutherland is at the helm.)

odanny @ 3:

“Mr. Guiliani, do you approve of waterboarding?”

“Umm…….Well, I tell ya, it depends on………hang on, its the wife”

“Oh, s-sorry. Thought it was the wife, guys - it was actually 9/11 on the phone.”

Here’s an idea on this “was it torture or not”-argument. The point is “abuse” is the standard, and it’s illegal.

Here’s the idea: If the GoP-Congress-WH-DoJ want to play the game of “see no evil,” then do this: Determine which CEOs made inside trades on the assumption that the issues of Geneva violations would get swept under the rug.

Let’s contact the SEC, encourage them to review the trades of all CEOs related to any firm that provided contracted-security for POWs at GTMO, Abu Ghraib, or in Iraq; then find out whether the CEOs made trades on their stocks in anticipation that that they would be immune to war crimes indictments/FISA violations.

Perhaps when the Inquisition did it, it was a sacrement.

Mr. Giuliani said: “Well, I’m not sure it is either. I’m not sure it is either. It depends on how it’s done. It depends on the circumstances. It depends on who does it.

Ghouliani is gonna’ try to convince the Pope to become the head of the CIA………

“Well, 9/11.”

I’d like to Waterboard the whole f&%king Repug Party!

Just more pandering by Rudy — like his NEW FORM OF ‘CROSS-DRESSING’

That is without a doubt one of the top ten most reprehensible things I have ever heard a Presidential candidate say. The Republicans have truly turned this country into their own open-air insane asylum.

Pfeh, as if getting caught in whoppers were any kind of liability in politics anymore. No such thing as bad publicity….

“It depends on who does it.”

Is waterboarding “torture” if my dog does it? Because I’m tellin’ ya, after seeing it demonstrated on CNN, my dog is JUST ACHING to waterboard the cat. I mean, he dragged an ironing board and water pail over to the cat’s bed the other day, although he wasn’t sure what to do at that point…

Oh, one last thing. If “Maryanne” from Gilligan’s Island waterboards, is that torture? Because — and I’ll come out and admit to some sort of weird S&M fetish here — picturing Maryanne waterboard some terrorist-lookin’ dude, well come on, that’s just totally hot.

You can’t use “seriously” and “Rudy Giuliani” in the same sentence. They don’t mix.

No, Rudy is the guy who will hasten the police state in the interest of
furthering his own political power. He’s more a monster than Bush.

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Someone told me The Joker dropped by Woodstock and gobbled a sheet of the brown acid.

And, apparently, thus was born Ghouliani.

slippytoad @ 17:

You can’t use “seriously” and “Rudy Giuliani” in the same sentence. They don’t mix.

Oh yeah? How’s this: “Rudy Giuliani is the candidate of the seriously fucked up mental cases who crave a strong authority figure to tell them what to do and how to think because of their seriously deficient parental relationships, which is seriously expressed in Giuliani’s children’s disassociation with him in their adult lives.”…so, there…

In Iowa yesterday, GOP frontrunner Rudy Giuliani followed Bush Attorney General nominee Michael Mukasey in playing dumb on the subject of torture. It should come as no surprise that Giuliani would argue that whether waterboarding violates the Geneva Convention depends on what the definition of “torture” is. Even less surprising is that the same man who in May endorsed “every method they could think of” would now jokingly claim that he was a victim of torture himself.

For the details, see:
“Giuliani Flip-Flops on Waterboarding, Jokes About Torture.”

George_Metesky @ 20:

slippytoad @ 17:

You can’t use “seriously” and “Rudy Giuliani” in the same sentence. They don’t mix.

Oh yeah? How’s this: “Rudy Giuliani is the candidate of the seriously fucked up mental cases who crave a strong authority figure to tell them what to do and how to think because of their seriously deficient parental relationships, which is seriously expressed in Giuliani’s children’s disassociation with him in their adult lives.”…so, there…

If you put it that way . . .

Don’t you understand. They take a tired person, put them on the spot, and then attack them with a specific question from any angle - both sides do it and all of you encourage it because you’ve never been put in the same situation.

If you had - you would have compassion and empathy. Instead, people criticize from their self-dug trench - and what does that help?

It depends on how it’s done. It depends on the circumstances. It depends on who does it.

Sigh.

Am I the only one around here old enough to remember when the Democrats were accused of being the party of “situational ethics”?

I guess if your rich and white you can do what you want, if your poor and brown - you are fucked!

Worst. President. Ever. @ 24:

It depends on how it’s done. It depends on the circumstances. It depends on who does it.

Sigh.

Am I the only one around here old enough to remember when the Democrats were accused of being the party of “situational ethics”?

Unfortunately, both the Democrats and Republicans are flip-sides of the same worn-out, rusty nickel.

The Democrats are less evil, but only slightly, and no one in their camp has the guts to lead like the last great American president, JFK.

It’s understandable. No one wants to be a martyr, no one wants to die like JFK, MLK, RFK, Wellstone or even John Lennon.

But capitulation and acquiescence will only take us down a road darker than the road through the Black Forest, circa 1945.

My post earlier today on Think Progress is germane to this conversation. If it isn’t torture, as the Rudys and the Mukaseys want us to think, then why are they bothering to subject the detainees to the conditions? If it isn’t torture, how do they think they’re going to get someone to talk? If it isn’t torture, or it matters who’s doing it, or why, then why bother. The people in a position to push back need a lesson in logic

RUDY is just another rightwing goose stepping zealot. Just another disgusting piece of humanity. POOR RUDY, the man is morally and spiritually bankrupt.

Rudy, take two Viagra and call me in the morning, you dumb sonofabitch. And bring your favorite wasrag. We’re gonna party. You first. C’mon, lay right down. This’ll be easy. It ain’t torture, right? That’s a boy, take a nice, deep breath. Her it comes…

Rudy is a power hungry putz that believes his own PR. This guy would sell his own mother to be president.
He is nothing more than a caricature of a scummy politician.
If he is elected as president he will make Boosh look good.

Dahgrostab’ph-r-i @ 25:

I guess if your rich and white you can do what you want, if your poor and brown - you are fucked!

Its a rich poor thing… what color is condi? alberto gonzales? why are you starting this…we are all fucked. period….why race? I see bush doing big busines w Arabs and Latinos….(Mexico has oil) too Japanese and Chinese are doin pretty well now too!!! why race??

looks to me like if you got money or stuff (and or lack of morals) you can play the game (regardless of race)

I dare say take it (race) elsewhere…lets be poor and pissed of in unity

When asked why people should tolerate the US water boarding people Ghoullyani replied,, Why should it bother you, unless you have something to hide.
When Ghoullyani was then asked how do you tell if someone is lying when you are water boarding them, He answered, If they keep breathing after you have dunked them they are lying.

Dahgrostab’ph-r-i @ 25:

I guess if your rich and white you can do what you want, if your poor and brown - you are fucked!

Well hopefully you enjoy it.

“street fighter”-Chris Matthews on Rudy

I love how the guest pronounces Rudy’s last name “Julie Annie”.

There was plenty of information on what a dufus Bush was before he was “elected” the first time. That didn’t prevent it from happening. The Democrats could still lose this one to another unqualified selection. It’s all about turnout.

We want Giuliani to get the nomination, remember he can’t win the south.

It depends on who does it???wtf….OH That’s right…they have to be certified by the repug school of torture…an accredited school where only the best need apply.And must possess a neocon right wing membership to the Repugnican Party. Experience not necessary ,will provide OJT.Conscience not required

Don’t forget Kerick was his right hand man…..and that guy was a thug(with a badge)

Rudy thinks blind people should be able to carry guns:
http://www.gunguys.com/?p=2593

Let’s strap Rudy up and give it a shot and see what he thinks then. What a dope.

If Benito Mussolini was known as Il Duce, then Benito Ghoulinai should be known as Il Douchebag.

Let’s pretend rudi is a liar and we want to know about his mafia ties. Put rudi in his garter belt, fishnet stockings and red pumps and waterboard his ass.

Imagine rudi’s legs flailing as he is waterboarded.

Pure comic relief.

well i think i could endure the repukes waterboarding me , but i draw the line at sister Guiliani circumsiseing me with thoes horse teeth of his!!!!1

Dahgrostab’ph-r-i @ 25:

I guess if your rich and white you can do what you want, if your poor and brown - you are fucked!

Correction:

if you’re poor and/or brown then you are fucked.

Canuck Stuck in Muck @ 27:

My post earlier today on Think Progress is germane to this conversation. If it isn’t torture, as the Rudys and the Mukaseys want us to think, then why are they bothering to subject the detainees to the conditions? If it isn’t torture, how do they think they’re going to get someone to talk? If it isn’t torture, or it matters who’s doing it, or why, then why bother. The people in a position to push back need a lesson in logic

Good point.

Oops. No one could have predicted that that document would be released.

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Trudy Julie-Anne: “It’s not torture when America does it.

It’s not a war of aggression when America does it.

It’s not fascism when America does it.”

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TC-14 @ 16:

“It depends on who does it.”

Oh, one last thing. If “Maryanne” from Gilligan’s Island waterboards, is that torture? Because — and I’ll come out and admit to some sort of weird S&M fetish here — picturing Maryanne waterboard some terrorist-lookin’ dude, well come on, that’s just totally hot.

Dude, you need help. But thanks for the smile.

Torture for Giuliano is when his wife asks him to commit to a lifelong bond in marriage…to love and cherish to honor and obey…etc.

Waterboarding is what you do on a warm and sunny summer day at the beach.

Anyone who thinks waterboarding is not torture should be waterboarded. New Attorney General not sure about waterboarding? Waterboard his ass right there in the hearing room on live TV. We should have an answer in about 4 mintues MAX. No, wait, that’s too kind — let him drown for about 10 minutes.

More proof that Giuliani is an authoritarian, an idiot and an ass**le.

When Pol Pot did it, it was torture. So maybe Americans need, once again, a historical reminder:

Waterboarding was one of Pol Pots favorite techniques. It is also one of Bush’s favorite techniques.

Come one, kids, connect the dots.

As far as the “extraordinary rendition” program being a state secret, what’s the secret? There’s a best selling book out about it for crying out loud.

“It depends on who is doing it”.

The only “depends” about it is the ones G-man probably wears at night to keep from wetting his bed.

Simple question, tortured answer.