Sen. Webb On Hardball: "The Cheney element of the administration is well represented in the United States Senate"
By Logan Murphy Thursday Oct 25, 2007 9:36am
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On Thursday's Hardball Sen. Jim Webb (D-VA) talked with Chris Matthews about the strong push from Dick Cheney and some members of the Senate -- namely Kyl and Lieberman -- to move closer to invading Iran. Matthews gets it, by passing amendments condemning Iran, they're tying to get other legislators on the record so they can come back later and use it to make the case for war.
Matthews: "...But these guys, Kyl - Kyl and Lieberman are not diplomats, they're hawks.
Webb: "Well, the Cheney element of the administration is well represented in the United States Senate."
Strategy. Republicans are good at the this.
I got it!!!
Chris Matthews' evil twin brother sometimes fills in.
'cust the comments are off on the below post
http://www.youtube.com/v/jxzXo78WqSM
tofubo @ 3:
Why were the comments turned off?
Fat Fingers?
in english: 'cus the comments are turned off on the post below
That quote you chose by Webb is classic. The look on his face when he said it was classic too.
(sneers at Tweety) I am the Senate!
BUSH ‘LABORS’ TO JUSTIFY SANCTIONS ON IRAN
Hillary voted for Kyl-Lieberman. 'Nuff said.
We're screwed...............................have a nice day.
Webb: “Well, the Cheney element of the administration is well represented in the United States Senate.”
How a about spiking their coffee with demerol so they can fall asleep during key votes.
mudshark @ 10:
It is donut day here.
Welcome to Stupidistan, folks!
“Well, the Cheney element of the administration is well represented in the United States Senate.”
In other words, THEY know better than to obstruct any Cheney doctrine,
they all remember the ANTHRAX episode and fear THEY could be next.
Weaseldog @ 12:
shhhh...don't tell anyone.....there over behind the coffee pot.
This Govt is in a very sad state of affairs...when they believe Chainey...and are reluctant to listen to reason.
Sha_Rules @ 2:
That must be the reason why he's been bouncing back and forth more than a ping pong ball for the past six months...
But where's the goatee? After all, that's how we can tell which one's the evil one.
Hmmm ... I thought the "Cheney element" was the administration
earl @ 18:
Some think Condi is the only thing standing between us and all out assault on Iran.
So, yeah, we are screwed.
>Some think Condi is the only thing standing between us and all out >assault on Iran.
>So, yeah, we are screwed.
Oh. My. Dog.
Slightly off topic but apropros Tweety last night. Valerie Wilson was on. The conventional wisdom has been that she was outed to punish Joe Wilson. What about the flip side argument? (1) Wilson goes to Niger. (2) Wilson writes an expose on the Bush lies about Iraq and yellow cake. (2) Cheney's secret office which created the lies and orchestrated them panics. (3) They suspect someone in CIA is feeding him the truth, i.e. from the non-proliferation area. (4) They immediately spot Valerie. (5) The big fish they want to set up is not Iraq, but Iran, a plan to be set in motion after the invasion to come. (6) They fear Valerie will feed her husband again, because she is not a "team player." Hence she is outed not to punish Wilson, but to elminate her as a potential threat to the upcoming new set of lies.
So if Lieberman is openly acknowledged by Dems as Cheney's boy, WHY, oh WHY does he still have a committee chair?
Just askin'...
'The Cheney Element' is pol-speak for the NeoCon Zionist War-Mongering Crude-Oil Obsessing Republican-CrazyChristian Fundamentalist Evangelical Hypocritical Mendacious Amoral Ass*ole 'Let's Nuke 'Em and Let 'God' Sort 'Em Out' bunch running this country under the dictates of the Dummy and his ventriloquist, the DickHead.
21 SteveinSC Says:
That scenario would require actual fore-thought and planning.
Not their strong point.
These people are straight-up knee-jerk thugs.
The Cheney Element
Fn
Just added to the periodic table.
(fucking nuts)
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Preacher Boob Says:
‘The Cheney Element’ is pol-speak for the NeoCon Zionist War-Mongering Crude-Oil Obsessing Republican-CrazyChristian Fundamentalist Evangelical Hypocritical Mendacious Amoral Ass*ole ‘Let’s Nuke ‘Em and Let ‘God’ Sort ‘Em Out’ bunch running this country under the dictates of the Dummy and his ventriloquist, the DickHead.
Otherwise know as: the administration.
I love to dis the dems. they are so pathetic and useless. Actually worse than rebups in my book. Completely void of true American values. If I was stuck in an elevator with any one of them, including the women, I could not resist the urge to beat them senseless with my bare hands. Senator Webb is a bright shining star compared to these fucks. He deserves credit for that, I have to admit it. I can think if the great senators Webb, Feingold, uh, uh, Oh yeah, Dodd, uh, um, hmm. Is that it? Yes, it is. Third party please!
Webb: “Well, the Cheney element of the administration is well represented in the United States Senate.”
Right..and the 'Cheney' element is also totally represented by the corporate/ repiglican media startin' with the corporate sluts called tim 'my Depends are always to full' Russert, and "Miss" brian williams ..... both of them being their fuhrer's .. shitstain bush .. 'go to guys' ... these pigs are nothing more than corporate sluts who are permenantly bent over, pants / dresses down, assholes spread as wide as possible and 'swishing' back and forth, screaming next as the line of Elephant penises swells behind them ...... collecting their million dollars paydays as a 'thank you' for their efforts to deceive, manipulate, and lie to the american people on beh alf of their fuhrer and all the corporations that that have destroyed this once great country called america.
earl @ 20:
I'm not sure why you'd think she's 'standing between' anything. She's just another shrub co. shill and when they tell her to start pissing off the Iranian ministers and talking war she will. If shrub handed her a gun and told her to get it going she'd fire the first shot.
God damn rapture bunnies in the senate want war every year to get "Jesus to come"
Weaseldog @ 12:
We too, are experiencing donut day....nice...I like the donuts....
MargeAggedon @ 29:
My point exactly. She's a lame version of Colin Powell, who was pretty lame himself. What I've heard is that she's the only one in the Cabinet who will make the case for diplomacy -- before getting steamrolled by the Cheney and the other hawks. Then she'll go along to get along.
jr @ 30:
Yup, and ain't they gonna be pissed when ol' jeeeebus don't pick them to take up to that super walmart in the sky....where every day is donut day!
Matthews on Webb:
Ain't that the truth...
SteveinSC @ 21:
I'm not sure that it was a deliberate plot, but as an unintended consequence of outing Plame, it almost certainly torpedoed a significant portion of our intelligence network within the Middle East.
“Well, the Cheney element of the administration is well represented in the United States Senate.”
And isn't about time that we worked even harder to change that?
liberalNmoderation @ 33:
No, then they'll rationalize that they've been 'left behind' to fight the ultimate battle against the antichrist and his legions.
That's the problem with basing your actions entirely on somebody else's magic mushroom trip.
Jim Webb is more alone than I am. Absolutely no one is in his corner. He's a Democrat freak show on par with Dennis Kucinich. Too bad.
The rest of the gutless, backbiting, greedy Dems are marching lockstep with the Murder Monkey straight to the gates of Tehran.
Democrats suck!
unfortunately...
the Senate Re-Thugs are playing 'chess' and have their strategy/moves well planned out and, are VERY good at executing them
and
the Demo-Rats (Leahy, Nelson, Feingold, Webb, and a few others excepted) like Reid are playing 'checkers'...badly.
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my friends, i'm afraid that (just like Iraq) it's a 'done deal', i'm just waiting on the the 'other shoe to drop' (ie the 'manufactured' event/crisis/intel to let loose the dogs of war.
Perhaps some in the administration are slow-witted most particularly the shrub, but to assume there is not calculation in some quarters behind what they do is to believe Karl Rove only accidentally was successful. Remember the quote (loosely repeated here) about 'while you are analyzing and discussing what we have done, we move on and create a new reality?'
Alone In My Room @ 38:
Lifelong Democrat her and I'm starting to agree with you!
Hello Sitemonitor, are you there? Why is the Benen Post Comments off? Are you there?
Here, here the Democrats DO suck. And know this: an attack on Iran will be our last act as a "superpower".
biff diggerence @ 25:
And it's the most radioactive death-knell element on the chart.
Webster@44
Big Time atomic weight.
chrissie mancrush almost sounds rational. maybe the smell of repugnicant men is wearing off. I won't bet on it, though.
Tom (not Tom) @ 9:
corporate sellout bitch!
A Talking Iguana @ 43:
As Einstein said, "If the next world war is fought with nuclear weapons, the one after that will be fought with stones."
Kyl and Lieberman should be strapped to the first bomb out.
What the hell has Iran ever done I like to know.
When it comes to nuclear weapons, I like to point out that the US is the only country who ever used them. Does Hiroshima and Nagasaki ring a bell?
Shame on all Americans who support the war hawks and yes that includes Democrats.
Only a draft will stop the madness.
Alone In My Room @ 38:
Maybe the outsiders should form their own mini-caucus and start making some noise about their overlapping and underlegislated interests.
Joementum @ 32:
So true.
"What the hell has Iran ever done I like to know."
Location, location, location...
Israel aside, Iran is the sworn enemy of Saudi Arabia. The United States is the protector of Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia is the sworn enemy of the United States... 911, Sunni Revolution...
Not a beer drinking bar rail gang these three.
This is what Iran has done as the historic and current center of the Middle East universe as her geography makes her invaluable to corporate global empire.
A Talking Iguana @ 43:
I agree. No other country will support this, except maybe Britian. I think this administration appears clueless in not recognizing that much of the world thinks they are nuts!
The U.S. has no credibility left on the world stage except for a reputation as the aggressor.
MargeAggedon @ 51:
I think the brass at pentagon are trying keep a leash on Herr Cheney. They don't like the Iran caper one bit. The threat of mass resignations is probably doing more to curb the beasts than condi
tyree @ 47:
you got that right!!
Cheney.....he wakes up long enough during meetings to say "bomb Iran", then goes back to sleep. Maybe we'll get lucky and one of days his ticker will just give out.
The 'Cheney Element' is present in more than just the Senate and it's more like a cancer. This cancer has so permeated every agency and entity in D.C. that the whole district smells like a rotting corpse. Cheney has everyone working and living under dagger held by string. That's why in eight years the word IMPEACHMENT is barely uttered. If they are taken down, they have enough dirt on anybody and everybody, they'll take them along.
moondancer @ 54:
Unless the 'Christian Soldiers' tender their resignations, I'll remain skeptical.
tyree @ 47:
if hillerys elected we wont even notice bush has left the building! kucinich or fuckit!08
The MSM's failure to provide analysis and background on the ridiculous behavior of Condi and the Cheneyites is beyond disturbing. I mourn the fact that the American public will gleefully continue watching "Dancing with the Stars" while these morons drive us off the cliff.
"What the American public doesn't know...is what makes them the American public" - Abe Zalinsky, from "Tommy Boy"
Rhetorical question here: What's it going to take to get people to notice this shit?
I'm just askin'....
Congaree @ 58:
nothing but reruns forever on tv??
Go to Juan Cole's comment for his good insight on the hypocracy of the U.S.'s current policy on Iran and these sanctions. This guy has the best insight on the middle east. Go to:
http://www.juancole.com/
Ah, Mr. Cheney, he seems to be another MK Ultra clone.
A spineless senate. A corrupt insane emperor. An apathetic citizenry that only wants to be amused and entertained. Squandering of national wealth on a bloated military that is spread too thin and is supplemented by paid mercenaries who owe no allegiance to country.
Season 3 of Rome? Nope. Fall of the American Empire. This is going to make a great miniseries in the future. If there is one.
United States of America
R.I.P.
1776-2000
lockheed martin they never forget who thier working for!!!!a tribute to dick cheny!
I am so glad that Webb has the balls to call out Lieberman for what he is - a warmongering fuck who doesn't care about the lives of the soldiers who will surely be slain if this insane war on Iran comes to fruition. If it comes to war by the Bush administration, I want Lieberman to take responsibility when the body bags start arriving at the airport. No, scratch that: I want Lieberman in a body bag if this happens. He would deserve no less, as would Bush, Cheney and the rest of these bloodthirsty clowns. Better yet, force each of them to drink a 55-gallon drum of crude oil, since they love it so goddamned much.
Dom @ 64:
you think if they drank that oil theyd piss out gas?
tyree @ 65:
And then gouge the consumers for $50 a gallon, no doubt.
nirak @ 49:
Nothing in the last 500 years!
oil is rising pretty fast today.
BaScOmBe @ 67:
Well, the three wise men from the story of Jesus' birth are believed to have been Persian astrologers ... which means they came from what is now Iran ... which means it was all a dastardly plot to kill baby Jesus!
BaScOmBe @ 68:
Wait till the US messes it up so hard that it all goes to Euros and the dollar turns into toilet paper ........
Sha_Rules @ 2:
Indeed.
In all honesty, I may not be a Matthews fan, but at least he's not entirely insane. He seems a little misguided in some ways, and in others I simply disagree with him. But there are pundits far more destructive than him on television.
We Must Not Forget Who Beats The War Drums
How I want to remove thy; let me count the ways. The phrase pertains to the congressional and senatorial Republicans who can't stop calling for war. In spite of the public opinion polls, they still talk of war.
As long as their actions run counter to what the people want, the Republicans stand less of a chance winning in the 2008 elections for congressional and senatorial seats, not to forget the presidency. Good, our country needs to stop the power slide, which flows in the extreme right wing annals of our political system. This country has moved too far to the right, and unless we stop the Republican power element from total monopolizing, the balance will be loss for a long time, if not forever.
So let them call for war. The country is watching, God is watching, and the world is watching. Pretty soon the Republicans will realize the elections are coming up. When they do, there will be a flood of flip-flopping statements coming from the Republicans like you never heard. All of a sudden, "time lines" will be in fashion and Al Qaeda will be beaten again. Of course, there is always the "other" possibility: Our military aggression toward Iran can trigger a nuclear conflict and blow the middle east up.
Joseph
Okay - locate Cheney's Senators and take them out.
Yes, I know it didn't work in Connecticut - but the majority is clearly brain dead in CT.
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Thank God for Jim Webb. Can you imagine if George Allen had gotten re-elected? Instead of one more administration puppet pushing for war with Iran we have a former Navy man who has a particular interest in the Middle East (his son) who really cares about the repercussions our actions may have in that region of the world. The Democrats may not have gotten our troops out of Iraq yet, but think about the George Allen and Rick Santorum and then sigh with relief.
"Matthews: “…But these guys, Kyl - Kyl and Lieberman are not diplomats, they’re hawks."
Correction Tweety, they're chickenhawks.
Jim Webb for Senate Majority Leader!
Chris @ 74:
And think of the swiftboating Webb will endure from the reich wing chickenhawks cowards who have never fought in war or have no kids in the war they started for Webb's son to fight. The Republican low life America destroying cowards have no shame and are out only for themselves and their cronies the nation be damned.
I refuse to vote another dumb monkey in the White House. Hillary's face should go on that monkey that covers its ears, mouth, and eyes. Stupid woman. Not voting for her!!!
liberman and kyle are nothing but secretions out of the asshole of luicifer himself ..
These are the same tactics they used in leading to the war with Iraq. But they've spent all their political and military capitol in Iraq. Cheney's plans have gone awry and it doesn't mater how many henchmen he uses. This is why Cheney is so frustrated. The failed war with Iraq coupled with the numerous scandals have, if not shattered his personal agenda, certainly weakened it. The idea that you can shame congress into war is so lame and pathetically weak it needs to be confronted.
Attack Iran and you attack Russia
By Pepe Escobar
The barely reported highlight of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s visit to Tehran for the Caspian Sea summit last week was a key face-to-face meeting with Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.
A high-level diplomatic source in Tehran tells Asia Times Online that essentially Putin and the Supreme Leader have agreed on a plan to nullify the George W Bush administration’s relentless drive towards launching a preemptive attack, perhaps a tactical nuclear strike, against Iran. An American attack on Iran will be viewed by Moscow as an attack on Russia.
The Populist @ 77:
Sweet Jesus I hope that can be pulled off.
After the speech that Reid gave about Limbaugh I'd all but kill to see Webb replace him.
Poodle @ 82:
I believe that Putin should give Iran a hundred missles. Only one armed with a nuclear warhead. That would put a damper on the chicken hawks push for Iran's oil. Even if they shot down 99 missles they couldn't be sure they got the important one. And Iran would not have much of a reason or hope of destroying much of anything (except itself when Israel fires back) in starting a war.
CD @ 83:
I have to third that ...
Webb and Dodd are the one's I have been wishing for
myshadow @ 85:
If you like those two I'm betting you'd like Jon Tester too. 8)
Loserman is all for ISRAEL along with most of these clowns. We protect Israel even though they have nukes and would use them against us if they thought they could get away with it. All of this (Iraq war) is for Israel. It wouldn't surprise me if they gave parts of Iraq or all of Iraq to Israel after we've almost sucked it dry. Our wars are ALL for ISRAEL. I say we sacrifice Israel, after all is said and done it will be only a comma. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
thedecider @ 87:
I second this comment!