The Gender Card theme
By John Amato Thursday Nov 01, 2007 1:59pm
As I was watching the MSNBC debate with Jane Hamsher, (she stayed with me for a few days before her surgery yesterday and is recovering nicely.) I turned and said that I was wondering when Russert would ask her if she killed Vince Foster. The hostility directed at her was pretty ridiculous. Disagree with her all you want and I certainly do, but Russert had a plan in mind and carried it out. You will never see Republicans treated this way throughout a debate. Taylor Marsh thought so too.
Here's all you need to know:
Russert asked the panel of 7 candidates a total of fifty-two questions. How many do you figure were about Hillary? Go on – take a guess. Give up? Right – of the 52 questions a total of twenty-five were about Hillary.
Of those 25, how many do you think were hostile toward Hillary? Go on – take a guess. Give up? Right – 22 of those questions were hostile.
And I agree with FDL on this one. Bob Somerby tries to wake us all up to the fact that will always be the case for any Democratic front runner. Just wait and see if Edwards or Obama pull ahead in the polls.
At any rate, the “men” did go after Clinton last night—holding hands like blubbering babies, looking like frightened, wet-legged boys. Brian and Tim and Barack and John learned an inspiring lesson last night—if the four hold hands and help each other, they can work up their courage to dunk the vile witch. Yes, they did the same thing to Candidate Gore, simply pretending that he was a woman. But this will be done to Democratic front-runners as long as we Dems and libs permit it. And uh-oh! If the work of our brilliant web leaders provides clues, this will go on for a very long time. So will Republican control of the White House.
Now Obama is saying that Hillary is playing the gender card: (above video from Obama on The Today Show)
"I am assuming and I hope that Sen. Clinton wants to be treated like everybody else. And I think that that's why she's running for President."
Of course it's an all boy's club: Ezra Klein answers:
Clinton, speaking to her alma mater, said, "In so many ways, this all-women's college prepared me to compete in the all-boys club of presidential politics." That's the only invocation of gender since the debate. And to me, it sounds like nothing more interesting than alumni puffery. She didn't say the "boys" were beating up on her for being a woman. She didn't say the questions were unfair or the attacks sexist. She just said that her alma mater helped prepare her to enter this world. That's not making this about gender. It's mentioning gender, and pumping up her college...read on
And then of course Russert took a few minutes off at the end of the debate to ask Kucinich about UFO's. An absure passage in a book. As I said, you will never see a Republican treated like this in a debate. Ever! I do fantasize about someone saying this to the Oh, mighty----Timmeh:
I have a fantasy that at one of these moments, a candidate will say, "You know what, Tim, I'm not going to answer that question. This is serious business. And you, sir, are a disgrace. You have in front of you a group of accomplished, talented leaders, one of whom will in all likelihood be the next president of the United States. You can ask them whatever you want. And you choose to engage in this ridiculous gotcha game, thinking up inane questions you hope will trick us into saying something controversial or stupid...read on
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first woohoo
Taylor was really good on Dan Abrams last night even though Dan was going crazy
hail satan!
As far as KUCINICH is concerned, he's really in trouble, FOR ISSUING PILOT’S LICENSES TO UFOs!
I had this conversation with my husband. Russert was a disgrace, one. Two, as far as the notion of equality has come since I've been alive, as tough as Hillary Clinton is, a gang of men all coming at a woman at once is a distasteful, unpleasant thing to watch. She handled it far better than I would have. The situation made her an object of sympathy and served to humanize her...which can't hurt her given how stiff and uptight she is normally.
I still emphatically abhor the Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton possibility. America needs someone new.
Look, I have said this before but now I really mean it. I am done with Chris Matthews. He is an absolute disgrace. The constant Hillary Clinton bashing and Rudy defense. The debate was a disgrace, but we shouldn't allow them to set the narrative. She was the unbeatable candidate, now she's in trouble and saying the boys are being mean. We need to stop watching cable news, except maybe for Olbermann. They have such a great opportunity to convey news from all over the world, even news no one hears about, over a 24 hour period. However, they use that extra time to invent stories, set narratives, and generally be wrong and emotional in their endless debates between opposing viewpoints (e.g., "crazy" versus other "crazy" versus "why the hell are two republicans discussing who will succeed in the Democrat debate?")
What?? No mention of her cleavage or her va-JJ? Give me an effin' break... she's a woman, get over it guys. Sheesh.
I am sorry but I see this as a debate and a chance for us to pick a candidate for the primaries. Clinton is in this by choice and should be able to respond to this earlier and with some choice words if she truly has a platform to stand on. I remember Dean ,Gore and etc etc where the MSM comes after them.Obama has it right--she should not choose to do this and then cry foul if she is unable to stand up to it. By the way am a white woman who has had a career in a male dominated field for many years so find offense at all this poor little girl stuff. Oh yes it is unfair and yes we are not ever going to get a break from the media at all so maybe we should choose people who will come after them with a put down or two.This has really gotten very tiresome on Clinton's part. Okay bring it on !!!!
She was being attacked because she's the front runner.
She shouldn't be stupid enough to play the gender card while turning it away all the previous times. But from her, I'm not surprised.
Nobody should be stupid enough to play the gender card. They should be focused on getting Gov Poopy-pants outta the white house along with his fucktard posse, evilDick and the boys!
Keep a close eye on Russert the next Republican debate he "moderates". Let's all count the number of times he tears into Rudy for his NYFD radio debacle or his roaming the streets after 9/11 because he had nowhere to go or his numerous flip flops from liberal to conservative. Russert asked Kuccinich about seeing a UFO so why not ask Rudy why he enjoys dressing as a lady so frequently? Tim Russert and Chris Matthews make up the MSNBC God Squad and they don't even try to hide the fact that they're trying to destroy Hillary Clinton. I saw Matthews the day before the debate begging Obama to go for Hillarys' throat and he told Obama what he should say to Hillary at the debate. Mary Matalin did let the cat out of the bag during the Scooter Libby trial when she said that she and Cheney saw Meet the Press as their best outlet to get the WhiteHouse talking points out there without much opposition from Tim Russert. And hey, if the right is supposedly salivating over running against Hillary Clinton then why are they all going after her all of a sudden. Limbaugh and Hannity are spending their entire shows recycling the old Clinton era crap again. Seems funny them going after her with everything they've got now if there's no chance she can win.....They're gettin' scared!
The Republicans are dying for Hillary to be the nominee. They feel they can beat her. We need a man to run, but she will never give in.
As congress has proved, they put their party before their country. She will never back down.
Russert is Dick Cheney with the face of a pumpkin.
How is it that his bosses don't see how vile he is?
Is he that powerful?
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Politics may be politics, but certain minimal decorum was in order, especially because Hillary is a woman -- what's wrong with acknowledging that? -- and Tim Russert was certainly no gentleman!
Asking Hillary about the New York Drivers Licenses for illegals was certainly unfair; because that question should have been directed to Gov. Spitzer, not Hillary.
Timmah was exposed as cheney's tool and should not be his tool in the Dem debates.
Let Brian spew their stupid questions.
Geez.
off topic, but ... CNN has BREAKING NEWS with no details so far, and they are reporting: "An employee at an Arizona nuclear plant was stopped at its entrance with an explosive device in his truck, officials told CNN."
I'm going to be a cynic and assume that it was something stupid, like a bottle of over-shaken soda.
But be afraid until more details become available.
Timmeh the Pumpkinhead is a "journalist" in the same way that I'm a paleontologist.
In other words, he's not.
And he keeps on peddling that "I'm just a blue-collar boy from Buffalo" crap.
Can't stand him. Or Tweety. Or any of the rest of the Beltway Bush Kneepad Stenographers Brigade.
Until one of the Democratic candidates shoves your very apt question up PumpKinHaid's bunghole and breaks it off there....
This slanted bullshit will continue.
My money is on Edwards to do it. He's the only one with balls in this race. And no, that's not a putdown of Hillary it was
meant metaphorically.
Can someone explain to me how the hawk of the party who supports Kyl-Lieberslut and keeping the troops in Iraq , has the biggest corporate donor base, has the worst health care plan , supports NAFTA, (her husband's lovely project) does not seem capable of answering a straight question is now the front runner???? What am I missing here--it is as if we have no other candidates that are not far more qualified.(oh forgot they were not 1st Lady- qualifications there that I am missing)And then we wonder why we lose elections unless it is at the grass roots level.
And some many defend her and when pushed say it is because she is a woman. What a way to elect someone. Almost Bushian in the blind support for what!!!
Glad I could vent so thanks!!!
katie, Hillary is the front-runner because she is the most qualified, and we finally do need a woman President. What's wrong with acknowledging that.
Obama is also talking about what a huge crisis social security is in, what a huge threat Iran is and he won't sign the letter from Deocratic senators telling Bush he has no authority to go to war with Iran. In other words, all right wing crap. He has drunk the kool aide, he even was touring with a homphobe and a bigot. Obama has lost me. Completely. He should have waited. he's not politically mature enough for this kind of contest yet and now it's too late to take back a lot of things he's said. I'm no fan of sHillary but Obama looks more GOP every day.
I agree with John. That debate was about attacking Hillary as much as attacking the issues. In my opinion, it does nothing but help Hillary. It makes the other candidates look petty, and makes her a sympathetic figure. Look at the national polls since Obama and the other candidates started going after her. She always had the lead, but since they went on the attack, her lead has increased.
Evinfuilt @ 9:
She didn't "play the gender card". That was the POINT of the post and somehow you managed to miss it. Geez.
You and I must have read different posts. The point seemed to be that she DIDN'T play the gender card.
Kucinich Will Introduce Privileged Resolution To Force Up Or Down Vote On Cheney Impeachment
WASHINGTON, D.C. (November 2, 2007) — Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) announced today that he will be offering a privileged resolution on the House floor next week that will bring articles of impeachment against the Vice President, Richard B. Cheney.
“The momentum is building for impeachment,” Kucinich said. “Millions of citizens across the nation are demanding Congress rein in the Vice President’s abuse of power.
“Despite this groundswell of opposition to the unconstitutional conduct of office, Vice President Cheney continues to violate the U.S. Constitution by insisting the power of the executive branch is supreme.
“Congress must hold the Vice President accountable. The American people need to let Members of Congress know how they feel about this. The Vice President continues to use his office to advocate for a continued occupation of Iraq and prod our nation into a belligerent stance against Iran. If the Vice President is successful, his actions will ensure decades of disastrous consequences.”
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/28328
Rose @ 12:
We "need a man to run"??? What kind of jabber is that? Personally I'm tired of policy being dictated by testesterone drunk, overgrown frat boys. sHillary isn't great but she's better than any republican running and phrasing it like you did makes you sound like you should join the league of "women" voters. They are like you: A group of women who believe they should defer to men.
ted @ 20:
You have got to be kidding me. Someone drank the koolaid.
Hillary's a Bush clone.
The media wants to play a role. If the Dems are a snooze-fest the hopes that the pin the tail on the donkey (elephant) random Republican race becoming high ratings is unlikely.
They need not worry as Hillary's saber rattling in Iran will allow the media to have another war and perhaps recession to report on.
See was attacked bacause she is the front runner and she has responded with the gender card. Since this is the media we are talking about we know they are trying to Dean Scream it as best they can for now. Was the media after her at the same time as they knew the others were going to try to draw blood - definatly.
Would Hillary prefer to be in Dodd's or Biden's position? They only got asked 2 or 3 questions. I bet they'd love to get asked 25 questions!!
Another point is that this should be done to the Republican front runners - not that it should not be done to the Democratic front runners.
The biggest dissapointment was that STILL NONE OF THE ISSUES are going to be talked about. Rather its talk about how the entire "gender issue" or "front runner horserace" is impacting the very race - that is to say they are looking for virceral 15 minute segements to put between comercials rather than digging & discussing policy/skills/etc.
I agree that we need a woman to be president but just not this one unless you want more of the same of this week. The point I make is that we need to really take a look and not make a decision solely because she is a woman.Look at the record , look at the obfuscation look at just the plan dividing up on just this one issue. Do you really want another 4 to 8 years of the same old crap. Give me just one issue where she is much better than the other candidates. Excluding the woman meme.(By the way Obama is bi-racial and he got lots of crap but has not used this particular ploy)
While you are at it look at her unfavorables.I am in Ca and can tell you truly that not one woman or person I know has any desire to see Clinton in office.
Yes Tim Russert is a MockingBird. That is why he asks these questions. I mean if he wanted to ask pointed questions to Killer Hillary he'd ask about what she did with Vince Fosters papers she had seized right after his death. Or about 2 dead boys in Mena Ark. Or her unqualified support of the Bush Regime. One will not hear these questions on the MSM. Because like it or not Killer Hillary is gonna be the new Ordained President. To bad so many fall for the misdirection cited in these article. But like so many with the power of reaching millions, the only Conspiracies allowed to be mentioned are those that are Government approved.
Peace.
Evinfuilt @ 9:
I agree 100%. When Howard Dean was running, everyone (the media, the candidates, and the establishment) went after him. Timmy picked on her. So what? She didn't expect that? There are two things that will guarantee that you'll be treated with like crap in a debate: 1) Your the front runner and 2) Your a Democrat.
Also, as long as Democratic candidates and politicians continue to allow the media to treat them disrespectfully, the more they'll continue to do so. There's an obvious contrast between the tone of questions asked to Republicans vs Democrats. Republicans are treated more seriously than Democrats. If Sen. Clinton is not prepared for this, then she's not prepared to be the Democratic Nominee. This goes for all the rest of those running. Obama hasn't shown the aggressiveness necessary to defend his positions against a formidable ideological opponent and Edward's performance, while receiving high marks, engenders memories of his absolutely terrible debate against Dick Cheney. So ship up or ship out.
The media has a vested interest in leveling the playing field by attacking the leader. Otherwise why would you tune in to the next debate? Hillary should be chided for playing into the media circus like that. If she pulls the gender card it will backfire.
I think that the people that spew the most hatred of Clinton are those that have been drinking the republican koolaide. We have been told incessantly for over 15 years that we should hate the Clintons for whitewater, for blow jobs for this and for that. The Clintons are corporatists, no question. Now name one president in your lifetime who was not. Other than Carter, all of them republican and democrat have been completely beholden to the big guys and he wasn't much better. I think that the people who blindly hate sHillary Clinton are more likely to have sipped the koolaide. You hate her because you've been told to. You've been given your marching orders by the neocons and now you hate her.
Missing would be the enlightened position that it has nothing to do with "all boys" or "women".
It has to do with the most important job in the world thing. To only talk about quotes is not being completely candid either - there are plenty of handlers and spin artists on both sides. If the topic went to policy rather than gener it would have included talk about Edwards and Obama policy as well as differences in:
- Iran war resolution & and the candidates views of their Iraq war calls/mistakes
- Health Care & Lobby
- Flip flopping
- Hillary's desire for Sunshine into records
There is a list for all the candidates, but only one is the front-runner. The longer we talk about this useless stuff the worse off everyone is.
Americans are going to have to raise the expectations, and work harder and smarter then the politicos to get out of this idiotic instinct based drudgery rut the Republicans have got this country in the past 7 years.
Genius is 98% sweat and 2% inspiration.
Looks like she picked up on Chris Mathew's "free advice" and is going with the line "they're piling on because I am winning".
So guess the gender debate is dying down for a while and we will go back to tracking the hore race and not the policy.
I'm going to have stop watching anything that is on the NBC network because they are actually ruining my life, with their opinions and beliefs and trying to make us all believe it ,too. Are they suppose to ,as reporters ,tell us who they are backing and supporting ? I feel they have become far worse than FOX at this. So, I'm sure no one cares, but for my own sanity I'm leaving Matthews, all the female hosts including Mika, and of course old ,off the wall ,Fussert . I may sneak Olberman into my schedule...as he is soooooo good !!
Uhh, was it really because Hillary's a woman?
I find it more likely that it's because she's on top in national polls. If someone else (let's say Edwards) were up top, they'd all be going after him, would they not?
Good post, John. You can tell just how deferential Russert gets around Cheney by his failure to ask about the 5 deferments.
Russert would never miss such a rich opportunity with Senator Clinton.
What Hillary got hit with in the debate were powder puff softballs by comparison to what she will get hit with in the general election when the swiftboaters get a hold of her!
And if she bats her eye lashes and whines about the mean old boys picking on the gurrrrlll... we will have a Republican President for sure (a thought that makes me want to vomit!).
If you run for President, you've got to give as good as you get to survive and she didn't!
Right on EVinfluit could not agree more. Now she is in the "kitchen" cute huh from the frontrunner???
Chris Tim etc are all just a bunch of power wannabes and have not quite realized they are on the wrong side. My solution to them--DO NOT WATCH-it is amazing what it does to the blood pressure. Plus it hurts Tweety birds ratings lately with Keith really coming on strong where I feel i should put my support and help his nunbers.
God I jsut wish Al Gore would come out wth one of his really great speechs like sometime soon and just condense this crap right where belongs He is truly my choice --he has really become a recovered pol. Love him
PS. Russert is an a**hole, but far less of one than the swiftboaters who went after Kerry and are waiting for the chance to whack Hillary!
Obviously they are piling on because she's winning. I didn't need Matthews to tell me that, nor do I need Pumpkin head to tell me what to think about her. Nor does she. I would bet good money that her I.Q. is in the 150s. Stop listening to pundits. They are telling people how they should think. They are dissiminating the conventional "wsidom" so you don;t have to think for yourself. Clinton is perfectly capable of origianting the thought that she was being ganged up on because she's in the lead. Why the right wing talking point that she must have taken advice from Chris Matthews? Even on a progressive blog sexism is evident.
The single most unbelievable thing that occured during Tuesday's debate was Dennis Kucinich TWICE saying that Impeachment of Bush & Cheney is necessary to save the country and Constitution. TWICE he said this. And NONE of the other candidates had any comment!!
Bush & Cheney lied us into war, tortured and illegally wiretapped. If Hillary, Barack & John won't defend the Constitution from these offenses WHEN WILL THEY DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION??
The job of the President is TO DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION...If you don't want to do it then don't run for the job.
Yet everyone on stage was too scared to EVEN COMMENT on defending the Constitution.
wait a sec... isn't one of hillary's top pr guys also working for blackwater?! she's in bed with the defence industry also. i'm sorry woman or no woman i can no longer deal with this sort of crap! so, woman will save us huh? ever here of margaret thatcher?
Rasputin @ 41:
Ah, hell. I've been looking for a reason to move to British Columbia.
The swiftboat crowd is already going after her. They aren't waiting one bit.
isn’t one of hillary’s top pr guys also working for blackwater?
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Do you have any evidence of that? Because if not, it might as well be coming from O'Reilly.
Kucinich should have pointed out that both Ronald Reagan and Jimmy Carter reported seeing a UFO as well, so he's in good company. That would have sandbagged Timmy right quick!
curtilingus @ 26:
That's exactly my sentiment on this matter (about Hillary being a Bush clone). She voted TWICE to authorize the "war" and continued to fund it until it the elections were close, then decides to flip=flop. Let's not even forget how she voted in favor of the Lieberman/Kyl "Amendment", which was the straw that broke the camel's back. I DO NOT want to see her in office. Ever. She is not what we need right now.
As far as the debate is concerned, it was disgraceful as it was tactless; rarely was any pressing issue debated. Tim Russert and NBC should be ashamed for lowering themselves to Faux Noise standards.
katie @ 30:
Katie, I do want more of the same. I want more of what happened in the nineties during the first Clinton administration including the environmental protections put in place, the balancing of the budget, the strengthening and empowerment of the middle class in this country, and so much more. The nineties were all about peace and prosperity. Give me more of that. NAFTA was the only mistake, in my opinion, but that's nothing compared the what the Bush crime family has done both before and after Clinton I. I suffered through 8 years of Reagan and 4 years of Bush and look back at the first Clinton administration as an oasis of sanity sandwiched by unbelievable incompetence and thievery. I'm a woman. I support Hillary and so do all of the women I know from my eighty-something mother and aunts to my twenty something nieces and all of their friends. We don't support her because she's a woman, but I must confess, at least in my case, I support her because she's a Clinton.
PurplePatriot @ 47:
I'm heading for Vancouver myself! At least I can get healthcare there.
Swiftboat!
The politics of parsing
jude @ 38:
I'm with you on that. Whats going on here is the MS media is doing absolutely NOTHING-ZERO to address the real issues facing this country.
As every day goes by the more I begin to realize they are playing us for suckers.
brian @ 11:
Good God, Brian, you're channeling every one of my thoughts!.
Even though Hillary isn't my first choice I am so waiting for her skinning of Rudy.
Margaret @ 34:
Hillary Clinton’s Bush Connection
NEW YORK, Oct. 19 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ — The Real News Project reports exclusively today that the engineer of George W. Bush’s rescue from financial disaster—a man who would propel Bush on the path to elective office—has quietly moved into Hillary Clinton’s inner circle of key financial backers. The engineer is longtime GOP backer Alan Quasha.
His mysterious Harken Energy drew intense scrutiny from investigators and the media in the early 90’s and again during Bush’s first term because of its dubious financial practices and board members connected to the corrupt Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI). Along with a business partner, Quasha has been forging new links with Clinton and her associates for several years. Among other things, they have raised substantial sums for her, and in 2005 they discreetly hired Clinton confidant and longtime Democratic Party money man Terry McAuliffe, providing him with a lucrative temporary perch until the Clinton campaign formally launched with McAuliffe as its chairman.
“That Hillary Clinton’s campaign is involved with this particular cast of characters should give people pause,” says John Moscow, a former Manhattan prosecutor. In the late 1980s and early ’90s, Moscow led the investigation of the BCCI global financial empire—which included Harken board members among its prominent shareholders.
“Too many of the same names from earlier troubling circumstances suggests a lack of control over who she is dealing with,” says Moscow, “or a policy of dealing with anyone who can pay.”
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/27855
**Margaret, I was a Bill Clinton supporter. I'm currently supporting Kucinich or Gore (if he runs). My dissatisfaction with Hillary is based on solid facts.
Obama accuses Clinton of hiding behind gender
Stop the swiftboating now!
Everyone knows republican'ts are pussies who can't stand up to a snowman in a youtube debate, therefore, so they don't shame themselves nationally, they are treated like little babies, while the real men, and yes, I am talking about Hillary, deal with the tough questions. Seems to me we know who's really ready to LEAD!
Clinton considers giving up some powers
NEW YORK - If elected president in 2008, Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton would consider giving up some of the executive powers President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney have assumed since taking office.
In an interview published Tuesday in Guardian America,…Clinton denounced the Bush Administration’s push to concentrate more power in the White House as a “power grab” not supported by the Constitution.
Asked if she would consider giving up some of those powers if she were president, Clinton replied, “Oh, absolutely … I mean, that has to be part of the review that I undertake when I get to the White House, and I intend to do that.”
**Excuse me??!! She’s going to review which illegal powers to give back when she’s in the White House?? She’s unable to tell us NOW which powers are illegal and will be conceded? She plans on keeping, or trying to keep, some of these unConstitutional powers?? And none of the “news” programs have mentioned any of this??
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200.....mGzHas0NUE
ted @ 14:
Uh, WAAAHHH?? She's the f*cking senator from NY. (She blew it by pulling a Kerry.) As for her getting deference because she's a woman...I call big time B.S. on that crap. Shame on anyone who plays the sex, race, age, or any other card.\
any questions about hillary's blackwater connection ...google: mark penn blackwater.
What I can't understand is this. Obama is allowed to bash Hillary saying she is playing the WOMAN card. Just how far do you think his supporters would go, and even the republican press, to really start trashing Hillary, which if you go to any blog site you'll already see, if she just once mentioned the race card. That Obama is getting help from blacks to play the race card. Most blacks that support Obama are making this point very prevelant. To tell blacks that Obama will work for them, blah blah blah..So if Hillary supporters even mention that Hillary would look into women's rights, should she be bashed.
And mostly the reason the Men jumped on Hillary is because they are jealous as hell that she is the front runner. But they are wrong, because the more they bash, the more she SURGES ahead.
Well if they all are truly are talented leaders then shouldn't they be able to outsmart the fat, smirking pig, Russert? Quit making excuses for any of them, especially Hillary since she is leading in the polls, which by the way doesn't make any sense to me based on her voting record. We need change big time, and the candidate that stands up and questions the continued lunacy and ideological bent of the mainstream media might possibly be the one that can lead this country back to sanity. If you can't do that then you don't deserve to the job of The President of the United States. There a lot bigger challenges in that job than telling some beltway insider jerk his questions are specious and irrelevant. Bush has lowered the bar for that job that the American electorate seems to be willing to accept anyone with half a brain. Seems fairly simple to me; don't answer the stupid question and talk about something that does matter and you have got my vote.
From Mother Jones about Hillary Clinton’s involvement in a strange religious group called The Fellowship. It may shock you to discover that Hillary appears to have very extreme religious views! Why isn’t anyone discussing this? Some shocking highlights:
…When Clinton first came to Washington in 1993, one of her first steps was to join a Bible study group. For the next eight years, she regularly met with a Christian “cell”.
…The Fellowship believes that the elite win power by the will of God, who uses them for his purposes. Its mission is to help the powerful understand their role in God’s plan.
…the faith is always evangelical, and the politics always move rightward.
…According to the Fellowship’s archives, the spirit has in the past led its members in Congress to increase U.S. support for the Duvalier regime in Haiti. The Fellowship’s God-led men have also included General Suharto of Indonesia; Honduran general and death squad organizer Gustavo Alvarez Martinez; a Deutsche Bank official disgraced by financial ties to Hitler; and dictator Siad Barre of Somalia.
…These days, Clinton has graduated to the weekly Senate Prayer Breakfast. She prays with men such as Sam Brownback, James Inhofe (global warming denier), former Senator George “macaca” Allen, Senator Mark Pryor (who told us that the separation of church and state has gone too far) and holy Joe Lieberman (blood thirsty neo-con warmonger).
http://www.motherjones.com/new.....yer-2.html
Lynnianaa @ 51:
How did Obama vote on Kyl-Lieberman which he kept saying was "so important?" What's the basis for his self-righteous "anger" at the frontrunner for her vote?
Why didn't Hillary get asked to critique the answers of Obama & Edwards like they were asked to critique hers? "Do you think Barrack was being honest when he talked about how important the Kyl-Lieberman vote was?" "Do you think about John Edwards was being totally honest about the backing he's receiving from trial lawyers?" What was their clear stance on Gov. Spitzer's plan? Didn't hear them say what they would do about that, thanks to no-follow-up Timmeh. Nobody had to tell anyone what Timmeh's strategy was. Couldn't have been plainer.
Evinfuilt @ 9:
Did you even read the article?
She hasn't played the "gender card."
dennis @ 58:
Paleeze. Grow up. She's brought this on herself. She should shut-up and start taking like a "man".
Check out the great Edward's video on her lame performance at the debate from Talking Points Memo.
I don't really care if Hillary is tough or a whiner. She is a corporatist just like Bush.
I will NEVER vote for Hillary Clinton. Allow me to repeat- NEVER.
If she wins the primary, Stephen Colbert will take my vote on a write in period.
There are a lot of smart Democrats out there that better start hittin' the cipherin' that there are millions of other Democrats like myself. You know the ones that are the shock troops for the party that do all the heavy lifting (phone-banking, door knocking, letter writing) that will NEVER work for Hillary.
These good folks can choose to throw down with a candidate that embodies core Democratic values (Edwards, Dodd, or even Gore), or at least comes closer to the mark like Obama, or they can choose to loose.
I'll be just as happy pouring my efforts into getting actual Progressives elected to Congress where they are sorely needed.
Marge @ 63:
Chris @ 69:
Thanks for your help in electing a Republican.
Johnny2Bad @ 68:
Interesting how Hillary's voting record is more progressive than Edwards' huh.
dennis @ 54:
No....Its about her views and policy. There is not one personal attack there and you know it.
katie@19
What am I missing here–it is as if we have no other candidates that are not far more qualified.(oh forgot they were not 1st Lady- qualifications there that I am missing)And then we wonder why we lose elections unless it is at the grass roots level.
And some many defend her and when pushed say it is because she is a woman. What a way to elect someone. Almost Bushian in the blind support for what!!!
Glad I could vent so thanks
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The woman has 8 years on-the-job experience. To me she is the most qualified person at this time in point. Her husband is behind her. Remember those 8 years with President Clinton? The country was booming under his leadership, although everybody was trying to fuck him. He had his pipes blown, but I can't remember any 4000 thousands Americans dead, or a dollar costing 1.50 Euro, if you know what I talking about. See the different? Maybe if we get another eight years with another Bush, or Giuliani, you'd be a better human being. Hmm?
Josh @ 72:
Yeah?? Real progressive..if taking more defense industry dollars than any candidate (Democrat or Republican) makes you a "progressive".
FedUpFred @ 66:
Where in my post did I mention preferring Obama or Edwards over Hellary? The basis of the post was that I WILL NEVER trust the conniving hack.
Personally I'm glad Russert was asking the tough questions of the supposed front runner.
Chris Dodd said it best, we have got to win this next Presidential election and we can't if fifty percent of the people in this country won't vote for her. Hell Newt Gingrich has been touting Hillary Clinton as the Democratic choice for nearly a year now. Why do think that is?
If you want Gulliani or Romney as your next president then by all means, be my guest, go right ahead and nominate Hillary Clinton.
Dennis Kucinich has about as much chance as I do of being the next president. IMPEACHMENT??? Please. I would be happy if they could just pass a childrens health plan. Impeachment has no chance and neither does Kucinich.
And while I'm on the subject....Barack Obama (who is the only candidate I've given money to so far and BTW..he wasn't throwing the gay community under the bus by trying to reach out to people