"Curve Ball" is revealed. Greencards for War!
By John Amato Sunday Nov 04, 2007 3:30pm
Well all have heard of Curveball by now.
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Rafid Ahmed Alwan defected from Iraq in 1999, claiming that he had worked as a chemical engineer at a plant that manufactured mobile biological weapon laboratories as part of an Iraqi weapons of mass destruction program.[1] Alwan's allegations were subsequently shown to be false by the Iraq Survey Group's final report published in 2004.
It was Colin Powell's darkest hour, but he would have went to war with Iraq without briefing the UN anyway. (Woodward's book "Plan of Attack" tells us that) ..BushCo used this fraud who wanted a green-card in Germany to fool the American people and bring the country into an immoral war with Iraq. 60 Minutes did a fine piece on him Sunday night that should be seen so we will be reminded that "intelligence" can always be manipulated---even after it's debunked by our own intelligence department.
Did Saddam Hussein have weapons of mass destruction? No, he did not. We've known that for some time now. So where did the intelligence come from that he was building up his arsenal? Fantastically, the most compelling part came from one obscure Iraqi defector who came in and out of history like a comet. His code name, ironically, was "Curve Ball" and his information became the pillar of the case Colin Powell made to the United Nations before the war. Who is Curve Ball and how did he fool the world's elite intelligence agencies?...read on
As for the biological accident that supposedly killed 12 people at Djerf al Nadaf in 1998? It never happened. Rafid Alwan wasn't even in Iraq when he said it happened. He had left the country, first traveling to Jordan, then Egypt, then Libya, before making his way to Morocco. From there, Alwan’s trail ran cold, until he showed up in Germany and became Curve Ball. The case finally ended in Munich in March 2004, when the Germans allowed a CIA officer to interrogate Curve Ball.
"And the key thing, I think, was the wall. He showed him pictures of the wall," Drumheller remembers.
What did Curve Ball say?
"'You doctored these pictures.' And he said, 'No, we didn't.' He said, we didn’t doctor them," Drumheller says.
The wall had been built in 1997. Curve Ball didn't know it existed because he had already left Djerf al Nadaf.
"Curve Ball was caught," Simon remarks.
"And Curve Ball said, 'I don’t think I’m gonna say anything else,'" Drumheller says.
The CIA finally acknowledged Curve Ball was a fraud. But why did he do it?
Former CIA insider Tyler Drumheller has an idea. "It was a guy trying to get his Green Card, essentially, in Germany, playing the system for what it was worth. It just shows sort of the law of unintended consequences," he says.
Rafid Alwan got what he wanted. He is thought to be living in Germany today, most likely under a new name, after pulling off one of the deadliest con jobs of our time
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Sorry, we're still having a few code issues..
Curveball is encoding for you now?
John, I would have WENT to my grammar check, but making such mistakes is unpossible in my books. XD
DaXue @ 3:
...and by that, I mean would have GONE. I should've just typed that in the first place.
Well all have heard of Curveball by now.
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. . . he would have went to war . . .
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. . .would have gone to war . . .
Get your verb tenses and grammar right, please!
Is the Pretzelnit's codename...Speedball?
the cons only care about instant gratification. They don't care that their lies killed people
I think they used him more than he used them. I'm betting he has a hefty checking account too and probably that money was once yours and mine.
I would imagine the prez's code name would be goofball.
If only the Germans had waterboarded him first, we would of got the truth. I'm trademarking that, so if you see any reichwingers using it let me know.
No way do I buy that Curve Ball "fooled" the world's elite intelligence agencies. He was their shill, their straw man. Their curve ball to throw everybody off so they could slip this war in over our heads. Corporate-military complex, don't ya know.
Noballs Nobrains Plentysick
Shocks breached the NSA rules and the code is out now.
A liar wants a green card.
Other Liars want a war.
Both bunch of liars get together lying their head off.
Thousands die, thousands are mimed, thousands are disabled.
Cuz neo cons wanted to make sure Israel is safe.
You'd think a name like "Curve Ball" might ring a few alarm bells.
From the story:
Asked how important Curve Ball was in taking us to war in Iraq, Drumheller tells Simon, "If they had not had Curve Ball they would have probably found something else. 'Cause there was a great determination to do it.
That's the real story. The invasion was a foregone conclusion. The Bushistas just needed some corroborating intel -- and they weren't going to take "I don't know" for an answer.
No way do I buy that Curve Ball “fooled” the world’s elite intelligence agencies. He was their shill, their straw man. Their curve ball to throw everybody off so they could slip this war in over our heads.
Like the hoods they wear at Gitmo. He fooled no one. He told them what they wanted to hear. He used them. They used him.
And lots of people are dead now.
So, horrific as it is, the reason our troops are fighting and dying and being maimed and killing and maiming and otherwise destroying the lives of innocent children, women and men is CURVEBALL?!
Are we all as mad as the criminally insane ass that 'leads' us?
IMPEACH, IMPEACH, IMPEACH.
If there were a 'god', and he called you before him for your reckoning, and asked you why you didn't stop this atrocity, what would you answer?
(Just before he kicked your ass onto the express 'down' elevator?)
I remember when greenstamps could get you really cheap crap.
Ahmed Chalibi is the name we need to be talking about here. This is old news.
All this talk about Powell and Curve-ball, the criminal is Cheney. Expect a vote on HR333 this week.
Curveball and the neocons-what a circle jerk.
ahahahahaha......let's see lying your way out of iraq and giving false info that lead to million deaths of your fellow countrymen?
wow.....he's a dead man.
let's hope there's a special section on hell just for him
What a load of bullshit.
The admin wasn't conned by this dope- he is the hat man. The admin pulled the con.
Leave it to 'investigative journalists' to miss the palmed pea.
ashabot @ 12:
EXACTLY!
And I must say, I'm becoming more and more upset with this site. First, we had the post about how ol' Bush Sr. is a kind-hearted old man who would never do what his son did, and now we have this post, essentially buying into the talking point of "bad intelligence"! Yup, this site is just as establishment as the mainstream press now. Which probably explains why none of the bloggers on this site have bothered to mention Kucinich's attempt to force an impeachment vote in the House.
Oh my god! They killed Democracy! You bastards!
60 minutes says "he pulled off one of the deadliest con jobs of our time."
What a stupid thing to say on so many levels. The US used the unverifiable statements of a 'witness' to make the case for war at the UN. The US had to draw pictures of the mobile labs for lack of photographic evidence. The US most likely would have attacked Iraq with or without Alwan's claims. The US gladly took Alwan's lies and ran with them. Etc, etc, etc.
We're supposed to believe that the CIA was fooled by a student, not a good student at that, and had no verification of anything the guy said and passed it along to the White House as the gospel? As I said before, the Germans knew it was bull and the French knew it was bull. That is why they would not back monkey boy up. Criminal. That is the only word for the lies this administration told and the lives they have taken.
This guy didn't fool anybody who didn't WANT to be fooled.
Thats why they believed him. Anyone distrusted by old Europe, had to be the Right Stuff.
Colin Powell would have GONE to war! I thought right-wingers were the ones who don't know proper English.
Okay.
I'm going to move, let's say to Russia. I am going to form a group in Russia the USNC (United States National Congress.) It will be fighting for the return of the rule of law and democracy and freedom and well you know free markets etc. Like Chalabi,(and Curveball) I'll get money from other countries who want to see a regime change in the US since we are on the point of declaring WW111.
I'll live well, dress well, eat well and tell people that the US government has a plan to take over not only the Middle East but most of the world.
I'll describe the weapons, the locations and get some photos off the internet.
Based on my info the Minister of State from Russia or China or Luxenbourgh or where ever tells the UN Security Council that they must approve an immediate attack. Of course the IEAE will not have a report since the US doe not allow inspections. But hey all the better.
The difference between me and Chalabi and Curveball is that my info is valid. Imagine that!!!
I think I could pull down a cool 20 million a year.
Who wants to be a consultant?
Whats the big deal??That there is one fine up standing guy!The Preznit said so!!!Along with all his minion's. I mean what could possibly go wrong with a fine man like that?Put him on the ballot for the Senate....he's got all of the qualifications.
The US intel community, the DOD, the State Dept, congress, the administration and 300 million "murkins" all conned by one Iraqi defector.
Yeah.
Right.
Curveball: "I never worked at an Iraqi weapons plant producing chemical or biological weapons but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express courtesy of American tax payers".
Bush Administration: "Sounds like a slam dunk to me".
ashabot @ 12:
Exactly. The report makes it sound like Curveball pulled a fast one on the CIA, when in essence it was the CIA who must have promised him something in return for the false testimony. Besides, it was their job, as in intelligence agency to verify and triple verufy the credibility of the information obtained. They did a sloppy job and the MSM (in this 60 minute report) let's the gov't off the hook yet again. Watchdogs of democracy my butt.
knightly @ 35:
That should have read...."as an intelligence" and "lets the gov't".
Curveball followed the first rule of conmen: Tell people what they want to hear.
The amazing thing about the whole curveball story is the american's actually had one of saddam's top military men sending us top secret classified info that totally refuted the wmd story all the time. Yet who did Bush use for his source of wmd info? A man even the german's didn't believe was for real. Obviouly curveball's phony info was just a excuse to go to war for this administration...
CBS again plays megaphone for the White house BS : "Oops, we were fooled by a foreign spy, who did it for a green card." Darn!! How could we know? It's not our fault!!
Honestly I care zero what some curveball or hookshot said.
It is irrelevant.
But it was the CIA's job to get the facts.
It was Bush's people that should have confirmed it.
And it was Bush and his goons that stated them as truth.
Regardless of what or when or where... if claim something, you accept responsibility.
If they turn out to be BS, you hang.
And not the BS 'taking responsibility' as Bush and co have pulled off.
REAL responsibility in front of a court.
Funny...how this comes out now when BushCo's popularity is in the shitter...almost like he's gettin desperate...like "heh heh...we found this guy...heh heh, says he was lying to our operatives about WMD's" "no really...heh heh, trust me"
LIES ALL LIES!
No, no, no. His codename wasn't Curveball. It was ScapeGoat...
Was it also Curveballs told to CIA- that-19 Arabs with box cutters did 911 attacks ? Not really that came from Bush Regime !
The real stupid ones are all USA Media who pushed the lies.
Here's my fantasy news investigation , instead of several years AFTER the fact , Imagine if CBS the DAY AFTER hearing about Curve Ball or " intelligence about WMD's , they contacted German Intelligence and asked hey guys is this true or maybe contacted the Guardian who actually reported the TRUTH , A. the aluminum tubes were too small and the mobile weapons labs were too dangerous to produce WMDs , because a CANVAS sided truck can not contain BIO GERMS , it would leak . THAT was reported in the Guardian the DAY AFTER after Colin Powell's lies to the world , at the U.N.
Unfortunately , CBS and the rest of the lap dog media are a dollar short and a day late .
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