3 Tour Iraq Vet At Dem Debate: "Our Troops Need To Come Home Now"
By Logan Murphy Wednesday Nov 14, 2007 9:10pm
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During tonight's Democratic Debate, Christoper Jackson, a young veteran who has served three tours of duty in Iraq, stood up with his mother to ask the candidates about a possible invasion of Iran. Christopher's mother is scared her son is going to be deployed again, but this time to Iran.
Senator Biden gives a great response, making reference to the Kyl/Lieberman amendment, telling Mrs. Jackson if President Bush tries to invade Iran without Congressional approval he should be impeached. Edwards also does well on this question, taking a similar approach to Biden -- Hillary is also asked to comment and was a bit more confident that Bush wouldn't use the amendment as an excuse to invade Iran than the other candidates.
Jackson received a standing ovation from the crowd, then later got big applause for his answer to a question from CNN's Suzanne Malveaux;
Malveaux: "Your mother, I spoke with her, your mom is so worried that you're going to be called to duty again, but not to be deployed in Iraq, but rather Iran. Do you share her concern?"
Jackson: " Yes I do and I feel that if we continue on the path we at that's where we're going to end up, in Iran. And that's not what our troops need, our troops need to come home now."
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I'd like to request a compilation of every Kucinich answer....
She applauded for Kucinich when he uttered the crowd-pleasing word "Impeachment" -- hope the other candidates were listening...
Is this when the swiftboats come out and start torpedoing this kid for speaking his mind?
I'e only watched 5-10 minutes of the post-debate wrap-up on Cnn, but everyone seems to be calling it for Hillary-I don't think they watched the same debate. God help us, the S.S. Hillary (S.S.Titanic) seems about to sail away. Thank God I can escape to France! PS-Why didn't Russ Feingold run?
Guess who's on Limpdick and every other wingnut's shit list...another soldier
telling the truth.
Call me a cockeyed optimist, but I think war with Iran is going to be like W.'s Social Security "reform"---a lot of noise, then plop. I just don't think people are going to fall for this again. You really can't fool all the people all the time.
Can you?
Some people ( i.e. Michelle Malkin ) are already claiming that this was a 'planted' question........so, my question is this : is she claiming that the 'soldier' was planted? Is it that the mother really doesn't care enough for her son that she wouldn't say that? Could this be her way of saying that he's a 'phony' soldier?..........just asking........I mean, I know Malkin is just about as sychophantically-crazy as any winger on the web, but damn, she's really reaching for blog material on that one.
By noon tomorrow someone will call this brave young man a "phony soldier" or something equally disgusting.
christian Says: She applauded for Kucinich when he uttered the crowd-pleasing word “Impeachment” — hope the other candidates were listening…
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Yes. It was clear she dug it.
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beth Says: I’e only watched 5-10 minutes of the post-debate wrap-up on Cnn, but everyone seems to be calling it for Hillary-I don’t think they watched the same debate.
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Sorry. She sorta ruled.
Well we have covert operators in Iran and are giving aid to opposition groups operating in Iran. By Clinton's standards are we not a terrorist organization?
Let the smearing begin!!!
Correction to my previous comment............it wasn't Malkin, it was on Rhiel World View..........but, Malkin's HOT AIR blog sees it fit to give it a top 'news' story heading...........still, pathetic
Thank you Mr. Jackson.
Malveaux sucked the whole night. Why was she allowed to modify the questions of audience members? And then why did that pansy Wolf repeat the modified questions? eg with the Supreme Court Justice criteria transforming into a question about abortion?
Look up the word 'evasive' in the dictionary, and you'll see the smiling mug of Hillary Clinton.
Biden's response as to the Supreme Court criteria is very applicable to the race for President. Paraphrasing; "Give me the dog catcher, give me the person with some life experience."
Amongst this crowd, who is "the dog catcher?"
if you all can recall, George Bush onc etried explaining the whole "fool me once, fool me twice" saying, but go it all wrong....
a youtube link to refresh your mind: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=eKgPY1adc0A
well for once, Bush can get a taste of his own medicine....
Listen up Bush, When it comes to Iran and your tyrannical plans to colonize it, the real saying goes like this.....
Fool Me Once (Iraq War 2), Shame on YOU (Bush)!
Fool Me Twice, Shame on ME (American people)!
I dont think America will fall for it this time and embarass itself for your own self-serving ideology.
too bad there is a good 30 percent or so that would back him on this....
Bring them home NOW! Impeach Cheney and Bush. Send them to the Hague.
Sorry. Can't change the fact that Hillary will galvanize a whole bunch of folks to journey on down to the polling booth just to vote against her. Can't really say that about Edwards, Obama, or Kucinich. I really hope she's not the nominee.
Tommy @ 18:
Kucinich would have a similar effect (though not as much).
Clinton will do and say whatever she feels necessary to win, and this issue is an example of that.
Edwards, I feel, is more genuine. He admits he made a mistake with his vote to give Bush authority to attack Iraq.
Kucinich is obviously the most credible of the three. He's been right on these issues from the beginning. Actions speak louder than words.
WE GOTTA CaRPET BOmb ALL COUNTRIES EXCEPT CANDA
Look up "victory".
You see Hillary smile at cha.
Still, this clip shows Edwards at his best.
Also my hat is off to this proud lad.
The swift-boating of this "real troop" will begin in 3-2-1...
CD @19
I doubt that it would be a significant since most people really don't know who he is. Remember most people were watching ER or whatever was on, not the debate.
None of these three addressed the request to bringing the troops home NOW.
Best Q&A on any 08 debate so far.
I can't believe Biden busted out with the I word. lol
My Bill O'Reilly dad was rather made a pro Hillary oldster from this debate.
She pulled out the stops for a tired FOX riddled WWII vet.
There was a magic.
There could be more.
qwert @ 24:
ER is still on the air?
Hillary has lost it for me, whatever the MSM says. She didn't really have an answer on health care, she didn't really have an answer on how her support for Kyl-Lieberman has resulted in more antagonism between Iran and America and higher oil prices.
And Edwards hit it right on the head: the Dems cannot afford to give the Shrub ANYTHING. He will use it against them and us.
CD @ 19:
based on what reason
tyree @ 30:
I've been around enough Republicans to know they view him as a complete socialist.
Watch the polls.
The Tories/Ralphies are clueless.
She'll make sure her votes get tabulated.
She will be i/t White House.
Stay away from the polls?
More like drive them to the polls.
CD @ 31:
fuck the repigs ,this next elections not going to be any differet then the last two , the repigs will all come back to the repig party again anyway!
Hillary voted and supported the war in Iraq , Hillary voted with the neocons to consider the Iranian military as a terrorist group, Hillary keeps changing her stance every 5 minutes to gain more support right wingers...If she gets elected as the democratic nominee we deserve too lose again!! WAKE UP f*** up PEOPLE!
The troops are never coming home. Why? Because we need them here. We need them to protect us here. We need them to protect us from the crooks that have stolen our government and are getting ready to instate a police state. Our troops can never be allowed to come home. If they were here and became incensed against the freedom grabbers, they may help lead a revolution, and thoughs in power will never tolerate that.
There is only one candidate which has said over and over again that 1. The war in Iraq is illegal. 2. Never voted once to fund this illegal war, and 3. said he would bring the troops home immediately. Ron Paul. People can say all they want but he is the only one who would bring them home. I am just afraid that if he is elected president he would be taken out by the powers behind the scene. So when are the troops coming home? Never.
David @ 35:
funny i thought that was dennis kucinichhhhhhhhhhhh
tyree @ 33:
Yeah, I don't think we're going to reach the 29%ers. And I don't think we should pick the nominee based on what they think. I heard Kucinich on the radio last night, and I think he's getting my vote.
In this clip Hillary sounded like a hack. I don't see how you can cover for that vote on Kyl-Lieberman. That was just the wrong vote.
David @ 35:
Only one candidate: Kucinich.
go trolls go... damn him for being a phony soldier.
you nazi bastards.
tyree @ 33:
Why do you post here if you think there's no hope for a change?
Old Billy @ 37:
FTR I hear the # of Bush supporters are down to 24%.
kudos to Christopher Jackson
In case anyone's forgotten, may I remind everyone that Fox News' Rupert Murdoch supported Hillary Clinton? I don't understand how any true Democrat could vote for her! Are Americans truly that uninformed??
Ms. Clinton made a big mistake by voting the Iranian Revolutionary Guards to be Terrorists.
Implicit she claims they had something to do with 9-11.
The "fact" these Iranians supporting some insurgents in Iraq, doesn't make them terrorists. Terrorism is a sensitive issue; also inside Iran.
If she and other Americans do get that, the wrong people are being pissed of. And this time nobody will care for US feelings..
Fuck the Bush Repubicans. They better face some tough ass questions in their YouTube Debate coming up late November. I hate these bastards. Check out Cheney's voting record. No on Martin Luther King Day. Yes to Apartheid. Fuck this motherfucker. Put the truth out there. And let's bury these motherfuckers. Bottom line. Dig the dirt. Bury the hatchet.
In EVERY debate I've liked Biden best. There, I said it...
Mrs Clinton's assessment that Iranian assets are killing our soldiers, and that makes them terrorists, means she is using the language of the republican party.
If Iranian military forces are being used in an advisory capacity, to train, equip, and develop disciplined units that only attack military targets, (our soldiers), than that doesnt make them a terrorist organization. IT makes them a legitimate combatant, and it makes Iran eligible for what in law of war terms is known as reciprocity.
nothing further, nothing escalated, just enough to keep thier guys on their side of the border.
Using the republican definition of "Terrorists" suggests her campaign has some of the same kind of folks who back Bush.. .
CD @ 40:
WHATSit to you? you dont clean my balls for me i do!!!!!kucinich 08
tyree @ 48:
and why do you say i dont think thiers no hope for a change? thier is but not with the clintons or the rest of these corporate boobs , ive been around a lot of repigs too and they say the,ll stay home unless hillerys the nomination, not tjhat id ever beleive or care what a repig says!
I refuse to accept the CNN narrative that Hillary Clinton is the dominant force in Democratic politics and that all news coverage should be focused on her.
Immediately following this debate the chattering commentators devoted 100% of their focus to discussing how 'strong' Hillary performed or some such absolutely shameless 'vote for Hillary' kind of faux journalism/analysis. The debate was likewise focused exclusively on Hillary for the first 4-5 questions and then the final question was Hillary do you prefer daimonds or pearls?'
WTF!?!?!?!
I am practically shattering this keyboard with each stroke I am so fucking angry over having Hillary Clinton shoved down my throat as the foregone 'winner' of the primary process. I wacthed the debate and after wincing through the shameless Hillary pandering of Wolf Blitzers early questions and anyone else besides Obama nad Edwards got a chance to speak I felt as if ANY OF THE OTHER PEOPLE on the stage were a better choice than Hillary Clinton to be president of the United States and FIX some the damage that the Bush administration has done.
Hillary Clinton is a lie being foisted on us and I believe I am not the only person who thought the same after watching that circus tonight.
tyree @ 49:
You said "this next elections not going to be any differet then the last two"
now go back to cleaning your sack.
Who wants to take bets how long before Rush or BillO call him a traitor?
CD @ 51:
well its not , the repigs are unhappy now with bush so thier defecting , come election day these same dweebs you seem to be so impressed with will fall back into the fold , and vote for any piece of shit the repukes put up , but dont worry im not asking such an intelliget poster such as yourself to was my cods for me ,im a big boy now!
tyree @ 53:
tyree @ 53:
intelliget?
I'm going to leave you and your bottle alone now.
CD @ 55:
bottle???? come on for a guy who taps his feet in restrooms your not doing to great!
WMK @ 50:
Echo that. Couldn't have said it any better myself. I can only check out excerpts here on C & L. There is no way I could stomach actually watching my cable TV live, and sitting through the talking head/propaganda!
Clinton's response to the Iran issue is expected. She's got some serious inside information as to what is going down in the White House on this subject in my opinion. The fact that the Bush regime is coaching her on how to handle Iraq and Iran is elected pretty much tells me they expect her to be in the White House, which I am so NOT looking forward to. Two families in the White House over almost 30 years. This is ridiculous.
Malkin sensed a disturbance in the force.
The Sea Hawk @ 58:
Inside information my ass. She just tries to pass the others on the right, playing tough.
But it's a pathetic move. A dangerous one, and a smack in the face of all liberal opposition in Iran.
For the record: US and NATO troops are not winning the war in Afghanistan. It's not a time to make more enemies.
Listen to Hillary. She is a warmonger. She is evil.
Oh my god.
My dad, ex-military, voted for Bush x2 (now hates him), Bill Clinton hater, Rush-Limpbaugh listening, Fox news watching cretin is falling for Hillary.
WTF.
First of all, if this kid wasn't going to be deployed to Iraq or Iran, he will be now. Either that or he will die in an "accident" like Pat Tillman or those troops that wrote the op-ed piece on Iraq.
WMK @ 50:
It's all set up. It's already been decided. What people don't realize is that "they" decide it for us. Voting is for show. It makes us think it's a democracy and our voice coints. Well it doesn't. Hillary Clinton is going to be out next president whether you like it or not. 28 years of Bush/Clinton rule my friends. Do you see a pattern yet?
StirFry @ 59:
By the way, Malkin failed to mention the soldier in her "coverage".
Hillary's going to take a nose-dive.
Chris @ 64:
The dark force is talking to Chelsea as we speak..
If clinton is the nominee the Revolution will go on as planned. She's absolutely no different then bush.
Chris @ 64:
CD @ 55:
OMG dude that was so freaking funny! If this guy ISN'T drunk then he is extremely stupid. He misspelled intelligent LOLOLOLOLOOLOLOL! Hey Tyree learn to spell, it lends credibility, otherwise you look like an idiot.
This "soldier" is obviously not a good representative of what a real soldier should be! He shouldn't be whining about a fourth tour.. the soldiers that complain hate freedom and are cool with terror. We need to bomb and Invade Iran because Iran wants to stab our freedom with terrorism knives.
Hillary = Bush lite
The sad fact is George Bush should have been impeached long ago.
How do you win a modern, presidential debate? The best zinger? The loudest applause? The fawning approval of television journalists? It certainly isn't the best, most coherent argument for, or against, something. Fluff, fluff, fluff. Here you are voters, lay your head on the cool side and sleep well, everything will be all right...we promise.
Counterpunch is doing an excellent series on HRC. The campaigning for Nixon, the proud Goldwater girl, and the same, tired, story of how you make it to the top of the heap in modern politics. She knows who keeps the trough full, and she knows better than to bite the hand that feeds her.
Democrats will go to the polls and vote for her, soothing their conscience with the "lesser of two evils" argument. But that shit's getting old. And while Zeno's paradox of motion may not apply to motion in the real world, it surely does in the political world. Voting for the lesser of two evils gets you exactly half way to good, every time...so at the end of the day you're still standing where you started.
Bush does not need to do one more goddamned thing in order to be impeached, he deserves it NOW, he has earned it.
brandon @ 7:
I think "phony" could be right or this is just how I see it-
When a human speaks they give away there true intentions and feeling through body language.
Knowings the audiences for theses debates are screened.
A man who has been on three tours of duty(if on the front line at least) might be a little more passionate about ending this illegal war. Someone in that position I think would have a direct question and not such a vague plead.
I noticed when he asked his question he directed it partially to the mic jockey and than a glance and pause at the Presidential jokefuls.
Not much enthusiasm in his voice or passion behind his question.
He kept himself very dignified during the standing ovation, as any military man will be, but but as soon as he had the stick, it seemed he was digging for words.
I would of had my question well rehearsed, it would have also taken at least a minute to resite, it would have everyone on stage in a sweat. In the isle near the front row of seats systematically looking every candidate in the eye, with a professional posture and vocal tone.
Do you think these media attention whores of the Republican and Democratic parties want you to question their intentions.
Anyways, vote Ron Paul! Give a hand to Kucinich for making light of the topics we should really be focused on! P,FLILF
Come on people, who the hell is Christopher Jackson? The Neocons have possibly the bravest American warrior of all in Ted Nugent. Check that - I don't think Mr. Jackson boasted to urinating and defecating in his pants for an entire week to avoid serving. O.K. you win Mr. Jackson with those 3 tours in Iraq.
I'ld like to hear Chris's response about Hillary's statement. She sadi since he's been in Iraq he knows that the Iranian guard have been supplying the terrorist with weapons.
Since he's actually served in Iraq, not walked around with a security detail like our "brave Senators" I want to know if he's seen any Iranians giving weapons to Iraqi insurgents.
It's funny about the debate.. they're talking more about the current president than they are about what they will do as president. Are they trying to win the vote for the primaries... and also covering their jobs?
Dennis Kucinich is MY PRESIDENT....such audacity to speak truth to power. The Oligarchy will always marginalize the statistical winner for they are scared to death that their delusional game will come apart at the seams with the daylight that only True Patriots can bring to our distorted worldview imposed on us by our dark overlords of Profit!
This "jamming Hillary down our throats" is so obvious among the "serious" MSM loudmouths (Pumpkin Head, Scab-orough, Tweety, etc.) that it's palpable. Just like it was said last night, Hillary is just replacing the Repuke Corporatists with the Democratic Corporatists. The good news is, no mater how the "opinion makers" try to spin it, Iowa and New Hampshire polls continue to say it is a dead heat and that Hillary is NOT assured.
The video clip was a good one and I think points out how Hillary can double talk a crowd well. It was pointed out she voted to name the Iran military a terrorist group, then in her response, said she wanted diplomacy. Oh, ya they are going to sit down and talk with her after her well know vote around the world..sure. She and Bill went over to the dark side a long time ago. Money is corrupting and they are now just as caught up in the One World Order as all the rest of the neo-cons. Come on people, wake up.
Hey Beth, in France, there is universal health coverage.
edwards is a phony. not only did he vote for the patriot act, which is the blueprint for an american police state, but he co- sponsered the senate resolution for authorisation of force against iraq... populist my ass..... and hilary... what a sham of a farse of a stooge... and biden.... so full of himself it makes me want to puke... i can´t watch these debates and keep down my dinner at the same time...
Mindfire13 @ 70: