Jena 6/Hate Crime protests in DC
By John Amato Thursday Nov 15, 2007 4:06pm
There's a huge turnout in DC today as thousands of African Americans marched on the Justice Department to demand racial equality from the justice system spurred on by the Jena 6 case. CNN does a nice job with its coverage today. The new AG, Mukasey was forced to respond and you can hear what he had to say in the above video....
'Jena Six' case sparks march on DC
Marchers surrounded the Justice Department headquarters on Friday to demand federal intervention in the "Jena Six" case and enforcement of hate crimes against those who hang nooses in public. On a chilly but clear day, busloads of people packed a downtown plaza seeking a big government response to small town injustices...read on
With religious fanatic DA's like this one---it's no wonder the African American community is up in arms...(Flashback)
There was a “press conference” today with the Jena 6 prosecutor DA Reed Walters. Or there was supposed to be a press conference but instead Walters played host for a gathering which sounded more like a revivalist tent meeting.
Reed: The only way and let me stress that, the only way that I believe that me, or this community has been able to endure the trauma that has been thrust upon us is through the prayers of the Christian people who have sent them up in this community. (loud applause) I firmly believe and am confident of the fact that had it not been for the direct intervention of the Lord Jesus Christ last Thursday, a disaster would have happened. You can quote me on that!...read on
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Frist!!!!
Here's the problem. Hanging a noose up, while a reprehensible act, is protected by the First Amendment. Calls for the white teenagers to be prosecuted for hate crimes by putting the noose in a public place are nonsensical. Hate crime statutes, whether federal or state, can't trump the First Amendment
Hate crimes against jenna boosh?
I DID IT!!!!! I DID IT!!!!!!!
WOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
Down in south Texas, we ARE the majority and we live in paradise!
335 African-Americans were murdered in Philadelphia last year.
I'm just saying....
priorities.
Sorry... supporting data...
http://inquirer.philly.com/graphics/murders_map/
Bullshit! When your actions negatively affect someone else's rights or living space, then you have just violated the "...ensure DOMESTIC TRANQUILITY" clause of the Constitution's Preamble.
These racist fucks deserve all the shit coming their way.
The Constitution of the United States
Preamble
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
SouthTxman @ 4:
I don't know exactly what you're talking about, but per the 2000 Census:
TEXAS:
White: 70% ish
Black: 11.9% ish
Hispanic (any mix): 35% ish
Unless you were only stating the obvious. I'd post the link, but you should probably know how to get Census data.
Lynnianaa @ 7:
Bill O'Reilly loves that argument against free speech.
I don't agree with Richard, but I'm just sayin'.
Hanging a noose is not protected speech, it is hate speech. Hate speech has no more protection than yelling "fire" in a crowded theater. The improper behavior of the DA speaks for itself. Such lack of concern when one group commits crimes indicates that he is the problem.
Yeah.. that's exactly what this whole situation needs.. wishing. Not anything that would require actual effort or responsibility, but wishing really, really hard to an invisible sky genie should straighten everything out.
Religion is such a crock of shit.
O rly? I thought the falafel man USED the concept of free speech to mask deliberate lies to his audience. Ever hear of the concept "with freedom comes responsibility"?
European Americans should be free to live in their own folkic societies free of federal imperial meddling.
Our European culture says beating a random person unconcious is wrong. In our society the victim does not deserve to be attacked because he should have been on guard. Granted this is not a universal value and that it is imperialist to impose our laws (beating someone unconcious is wrong) on other cultures including the African American and the American Federal leviathan at large cultures.
Within TV-imperialist society and African American society they are free to beat to the curb whomever they please, but within our European controlled lands, our law shall rule.
Embrace Moral Revativism, and leave our ways alone.
Lynnianaa @ 7:
The preamble is not part of the Constitution (see numerous cases of the US Supreme Court). If you could put people away for disturbing domestic tranquility, then every unpopular speaker, from racists to Communists to abolitionists, would have been imprisoned
You gotta love the black community... GOD BLESS THEM. You would NEVER see this kind of solidarity in a white community... we can all learn from actions like this... community is everything.
H Eight Grime @ 10:
You're just wrong there. Hate speech is protected (see the Supreme Court decision protecting one's right to burn the American flag). Any expression of an idea (as distinct from yelling fire) is protected. There is not a single case of any court in the US holding that hate speech is not protected.
Timothy Rose @ 9:
Bill O'Reilly loves that argument against free speech.
I don't agree with Richard, but I'm just sayin'.
Neo-Nazis love that argument about everything being free speech.
I'm just sayin'.
I am proud to see that a new generations of civil right advocates are coming to surface. This will ensure that the decades of work were NOT wasted in bringing to the forefront the injustices and the work to attempt and efforts to put an END to so many civil rights violation are still in existence and active.
Since the 60s and nearly half a century later; it is evident that racism and injustices still exist under a "band-aid" of numerous legislative laws are being ignored or unenforced.
What good is it to have laws when there are those that does not abide by it? It's all gum and no teeth. It's time for some real accountabilities and real independent oversight so that the gate-keepers and the policers are doing what they are hired to do. Enforcement is being cherry picked; a pattern that is predicated by a corrupt officials running our government.
It has been apparent that even police officers are abusing their licenses by virtue of their position to hold power to the general public that they were hired to protect. The brewing civil disobediences are the results of lawlessness by those (civil servants) WE THE PEOPLE have entrusted to enforce the laws; "WE the people" accepted as laws.
Elected officials has abused its power; police officers has abused its power; military has been mis-used by elected officials; THE PEOPLE ARE THE ONES getting HURT at the end.
Richard @ 16:
This, like all the OMG IT'S JUST SPEECH bullshat from the hatemongers, misses the point. The noose IS NOT SPEECH. It's a THREAT. You are not ever, EVER, free to threaten another human being.
Then again, I don't expect point-hooded trolls to notice that distinction. They slap each other on the back for what they threaten DEM NEEGROES with and haw-haw about how funny it all is, and when someone calls them on it, they run right for the First Amendment, thinking that it protects criminal acts.
By the way, for those of you don't speak Louisiana, what the DA was spouting at the press conference was not a prayer or a revival or nothing.
That is a threat, folks. He's saying, "Take a look around at all the law enforcement, and just know that, but for the grace of god, we would be whooping your ass if you give us the opportunity. Just think about that next time you think of coming to Jena."
Hey everyone, Mark Morford over at SFGate needs some input. The Drudgies are attacking his most-recent column: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2007/11/16/notes111607.DTL with some major hate.
Here's and example: "So much bile here. You lost 2 elections, your so-called progressive ideas are boring re-treads from 50 years ago (utopian ideals) and your answers to dealing with true threats from abroad is to tuck your head in the sand and cry: "we only want to understand you and engage you in dialogue; we should be more compassionate of different viewpoints". Wake up morons, these Arabs want to kill every last one of us, in spite of your channeling good vibrations across the pond. Nancy P. has been in office for a while; how's she doing with implementing your vision and so-called mandate? Last I checked, she's 0 for 40. Glad to know the not-even-as-smart-as-kindergarteners reading Morford the Moron and his Pathetic Little Life Story Book can be effectively neutralized by more sane adults that are able to process rational thoughts."
Occidental Tribalist @ 13:
are you a member of KKK or something cause everything about this sounds like the ramblings of a white supremist.
All blacks who were inforcing the law of the african jungle within their own towns should be freed from the prison system that jailed them for breaking white law.
It's imperialism. The white police state that expects blacks to have the same definition of crime as whites is racist.
White law does not equal black law.
They are acctually practicing good citizenship. Afrocentric citizenship. They are practicing their inate tribal folkways. Drug dealers, pimps, prostitutes, metal scrap thieves, and the Voodoo Shamans who inspire them, represent the highest of their society and provide their best influence of multi-cultural transmission.
Occidental Tribalist @ 13:
Hey, Baldy, you lost WW2, get the fuck over it.
Speaking unpopular views does not hurt anyone, but hanging a damn noose on someone's door sends a clear message of mental or physical threat. You're saying the racist teens are innocent?
And true, the preamble is not part of the Constitution's body, but it does provide the underlying reason why it was made in the first place; the rest of the body just serves to reinforce the preamble. You can't deny its importance.
Richard @ 2:
The Jena case wasn't originally about prosecuting someone for the noose hanging. It was about an equitable justice system for the six boys charged with assault. They were looking at something like 15 to life for getting in a fight.
It's kind of metastasized. Anyway, I think the noose, is a threat. You aren't allowed to threaten people with harm - it's against the law with words, it should be against the law with symbols. Unless you can make the case that people are hanging up nooses as a way to express something else, I don't think its protected speech.
Let's al support 6 people who assaulted a lone man!!!
Must all of America embrace post-white war-state capitalism of the Bush administration?
There are towns in America that still have a Eurocentric society, are whole towns, celebrating Christmas, a Eurocentric tradition, racist?
Lynnianaa @ 25:
The kid they put in the hospital was not one of the kids who put the noose up for one thing.
These punks say they want equal justice? I could agree if it was for an equal crime.
Just because some one hangs a noose up in a tree does not equate to giving six dumb ass punks the right to gang up on one kid and put him in the hospital. This type of reasoning shows the mentality of these idiots.
I guess their idea of equal rights is so eschewed because they are to dumb to know what equal means. Their idea of equal is when they see one guy arguing with some one of another race is for six to ten guys to jump the one guy and beat the hell out of him. Then expect the one that got the crap beat out of him to be arrested for a hate crime. All the while screaming they were the one's being mistreated.
1=1 2=2 a noose = a noose some punks putting a noose or two in tree =s six punks beating up and putting someone in the hospital? I don't think so.... If anyone thinks otherwise they are so stupid I may have to rethink my position on abortion.
Occidental Tribalist @ 23:
In what language should I tell you to get bent?
Occidental Tribalist @ 23:
ok you just validated my suspicions. you are an overt racist and should be banned from this dialog. there is no room for this kind of trolling inflammatory ignorance here. piss off.
Anyone that is implying that hanging a noose is threatening violence is an idiot. Should we treat burning the flag the same way? after all you could argue that burning the flag is threatening the state.
Weather you like it or not it's all protected by free speech.
"I may not agree with what you say, but I will fight for your right to say it."
The indignation is not universal. Some people have no problem with a white kid being beaten up by 6 blacks unprovoked. He must answer for his "privelege", and all whites are game at any time.
This is the majority opinon and shared by the neocon Bush administration. Beyond simple plebian concepts of "good and evil", but predator and prey, we are state prey, prey of the rap-culture (which is our national music, loved by our Troops). Your way of thinking is old. Unprogressive.
Dave @ 30:
Dave,
I don't think you have the facts all straight. There were white kids in the same town who beat up a black kid and were given slaps on the wrist. The six black kids were charged with attempted murder. People were protesting that the charges should be equal regardless of race.
The noose thing is an afterthought.
So to make a speech; all you have to do is , wave the flag, bash a bible, shout 9/11 & terrorists, mention supporting the troops ............. and magically the issue goes away as people are too busy clapping to think ........
IN the hospital? Oh, you mean the tow hours the guy spent in the hospital and then was released attending a school function that night?
The blame from the racist shitbags starts as soon as they realize that people won't fall for the out-and-out lies.
Occidental Tribalist @ 28:
You're not speaking words, you're speaking in garbage. Take your racist gibbering somewhere else, you failure of evolution, as you are unwelcome in real society.
You know, my grandfather killed your kind in WW2. I'd say he had the right idea
Frank @ 33:
anyone who argues that hanging nooses up is not threatening violence is an IDIOT. after all it's not like thousands of African Americans didn't get hung with nooses by white people and threaten them with nooses. oh wait......
Ah, and Pointy-Hooded Throwback starts talking about "neocons" as though that will make us believe he's on our side.
To clarify, "neocon" in Skinhead-speak is code for "Jew".
Death to Nazis, as much now as then.
Christmas is a Eurocentric holiday, that has no history with colored peoples.
Are those who celebrate is backward racists?
YES. We need state oppression of this horrid exclusivist tradition. Our "creative destructivists" "new reality" state role is to prevent "hate" not assault.
Frank @ 33:
I'm not an idiot. What do you think hanging a noose means? It means, in the very least, we ought to hang you. Not "the state," not "your culture," you.
If I burn a flag, I'm saying this country no longer deserves the emblem of a nation conceived of liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal (or something like that). I wouldn't be threatening anyone.
Old Billy @ 35:
actually they weren't given a slap on the wrist. they weren't given anything at all. as a matter of fact when the white guy pulled the gun out on the black kids the kids were charged with theft after wrestling the gun away in defense. that guy was related to the kid who was beat later btw after he was bragging about how the black kids were beaten and was using the racial slurs towards them. also that same kid, "Barker" brought a gun to school and no charges were brought against him, nor was he expelled.
Occidental Tribalist @ 40:
A little help, site monitor?
mister mix @ 38:
It's not like thousands of white people were not also hung with a nooses by other white people.
I guess that was racism also.
Do the republicans have Jesus running for the nomination..If so I haven't seen him on the campaign trail.
Marge @ 45:
Whoever they pick, they'll just consider the Second Coming. Jesus is too liberal for them.
Ah yes, another war between ziocapitalists (which includes neocons, zio-liberals, dispensationalist Judeo Christians, all the satanic rebel movements against tradition and tribe), vs. Patriots who favor traditions of their kith and kin is quite in order.
Ziocapitalists vs Patriots is a more decicive issue than abolition vs slavery in 1861.
mister mix @ 42:
Thanks for the clarification.
I agree that hate-crimes are a difficult determination because one must divine intent, but there are other legal charges that rest on intent. It shouldn't be legal to menace someone.
For those of you thinking hanging a noose is alright, what about burning a cross?
Why did Jesus let this event happen in the first place? Just to show how wonderful Jesus can be in an intercessory way, if only you pray loud and long enough?
Oh wait....
I remember how God (the J man's daddy) treated his most pious servant Job, killing his family, destroying his livestock, burning his fields, giving him boils and blisters and non-healing, non-fatal festering sores - and then causing him to walk around in the wilderness for decades, just to prove a point to the Devil.
Now it all makes sense, in that sense-not-making way that is the Judeo-Christian book of mythology.
Dave @ 44:
So you don't think that the noose was a threat?
Dave @ 44:
you show me 1 incident in this country where a white person was hung for the color of his skin. just 1 single incident will suffice. i can show you hundreds of documentations of black people who were hung simply because of the color of their skin. even in this incident which you are defending, the nooses were only hung on the tree right after BLACK TEENAGERS sat under the tree for the first time in the schools history. they weren't hung under the tree after all the times the white students sat under the tree. what are you trying to defend? you are so busy trying to say it's not racist to where you are making yourself look racist cause you are defending it.
Pete @ 49:
You might as well mine for diamonds in a litter box.
Iraqi society was attacked for the same reasons the final white societies in America are being attacked. "Creative destruction". Is anyone suprised in imperial society that our worldwide imperialism is directed inward? The ziocapitalists hate all proud, strong, tribal bonds and view them as a threat to their capitalist hegemony.
I don't want a hate-crime bill. Can you say slippery slope?
Sorry but blacks are not "special" citizens requiring special rights when it comes to what other individuals do to them no matter how sick it is. Every crime is a hate crime. Is there such thing as a love crime?
When you're handed a noose, make it into a lasso.
mister mix @ 38:
FYI Thousands of WHITE americans got hung by nooses too.
Timothy Rose @ 5:
By who? Just saying..
Joe for Unity08 @ 54:
Then all killing is first-degree murder. Accidents? Murder. Heat of passion? Murder. Self-defense? Murder.
Sorry, it doesn't work that way, and you can take that argument back to whatever sphincter it plopped out of.
Are you black and ever had a noose hanged on your door or had a burning cross placed on your yard? I'm guessing no. Who the hell are you to say that the Jena teens should have felt threatened or not?
As far as the flag burning issue is concerned, it doesn't threaten anyone directly.
And yes, the Jena teens do deserve jail time for attempted murder.
Freedom with responsibility; speak your mind/make your actions, know the consequences, and be prepared to take responsibility for it. - A point that everyone involved in this case seems to have forgotten
Damian @ 58:
There was and is other types of murder other than hate crime...
wait, is this the case about a bunch of black kids that stomped the shit out of some white kid?
Lynnianaa @ 59:
So its ok to beat someone into a bloody pulp if you are offended by what they say? Also, the guy who got beat up isnt even the one who hung the noose.
Damian @ 58:
What is a hate crime? Is it just murder? Is it assault? Is it saying something offensive and insensitive to "somebody"? How far does it go?
ATTENTION, TROLLS:
The boy who was beaten up was out of the hospital that day. He attended a school function that evening.
Joe for Unity08 @ 63:
Exactly its extremely vague. It basically legislates thought.
Damian @ 64:
Whew and here I thought that it wasn't ok for a bunch of kids to beet up another.
Damian @ 64:
And that makes it okay?
Joe for Unity08 @ 63:
Are you afraid you're going to get caught doing something wrong, Joe? Or are you simply trying to shift the argument so you don't have to admit that intent is written into law all the time?
Damian @ 68:
Where is intent written into the punishment? Is there such thing as a love crime?
Ah, the racists and closet-racists are out in force tonight, all ganging up on me because I'm telling them the truth. Nothing like watching a bunch of pitiable, low-class white guys with bad haircuts getting all flustered because they can't deal with the facts.
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Frank @ 56:
i refer your blind dumbass to comment 51 as well.
Frank @ 69:
Murder versus manslaughter.
Your stupid, pithy little comment isn't an argument, it's just trite garbage that you hide behind because you can't form one coherent argument as to why you oppose making a crime a crime.
Accidentally Breathing, shut up. You've already been shown as the skinhead failure you are. Go blow your brains out and burn in Hell with the rest of the Nazis.
Damian @ 70:
in fairness you don't know their race or hair styles. their comments do suggest that they are racist though.
Wow this thread sure degraded quick. I guess its ok to say its a hate crime as long as a white person isnt the victim.
Damian @ 73:
This is a very well thought counter point. I applaud you on your deep thoughts. Someday you will achieve great things.
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mister mix @ 75:
So it's racist to think that white people and black people should be judged the same? hmm...