Uh yeah I still feel apathetic. This Government knows that they rule over a nation of cowards. I'm just as disgusted with Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Shumer, and Diane Feinstein as I am with George WMD Bush, Dick Cheney, and Condi Rice. I believe that Bush is a tyrant, but the Democrats in Congress are too cowardly to call on Bush/Cheney to step down and resign. The Corporate Media are cowards for not speaking truth to power. The American People are cowards for not hitting the streets in a General Strike and calling for the Government to step down and resign. The Troops are cowards for obeying illegal orders and for not protecting and defending the U.S. Constitution from the tyranny of the Military Commisions act. We're going to get what we deserve.

WOW!! Now this is some thought provoking rock 'n' roll! great find Nicole

Apathetic or overwhelmed? I feel like the lone dissenter in a stampede of lemmings. I know there are more of you out there, but there are 500 furry little asses between me and the nearest other thinking animal.

This on MTV?

FINALLY!!!!

what took so long?

Trent Reznor gets a lot of flack and gets called a poser, fake, etc. But, the truth is that he's a brilliant song writer and performer and a passionate activist with strong convictions.

I first became a Trent Reznor / NIN fan when they refused to play the VMAs because MTV wouldn't allow them to play "Bite the Hand that Feeds' in front of a giant Bush face. After seeing this, they are now definitely my favorite band!

I'll tell you Osama is somewhere laughing his ass off at what he has done to us. In our moment of truth we have exposed our paranoia, racial indifference,cultural ignorance, false superiority, and cruelty. Say whatever you want about OBL, he kicked W's ass in public opinion.

I don't really know of anyone calling Reznor a fake or poseur. Over rated, repetitive, a bad writer? Maybe. I felt that way after With Teeth, but Year Zero brought my interest back (even though even during the With Teeth period their live show was damn good).

Is Trent really involved with this as much as they're saying? The original site doesn't really seem to imply that and the video really just seems like they took his song and put images behind it of their own accord.

Left&Left @ 15:

I'll tell you Osama is somewhere laughing his ass off at what he has done to us. In our moment of truth we have exposed our paranoia, racial indifference,cultural ignorance, false superiority, and cruelty. Say whatever you want about OBL, he kicked W's ass in public opinion.

For sure. He won!!

Maybe some young people will "tune in". I love the blogs, but I wonder if everyone blogs and then feels, "I've done my bit," and watches TV??

excellent!

OH! And I really liked the video!

Blue Lensman @ 24:

L.A. Confidential @ 14:

Dr. Matt @ 11:

Trent Reznor gets a lot of flack and gets called a poser, fake, etc. But, the truth is that he's a brilliant song writer and performer and a passionate activist with strong convictions.

True only problem is hoping celebrities will do everything, or waiting for things to change isn't going to change anything.

That's the whole point - this is a call to arms!

Good luck on that one. With the average attention span being about 3 seconds.

absolutely fucking brilliant!

Featuring videos like this is what keeps me coming back to C&L. forget the silly talking head news clip crap. we need some more vids like this! you have to make it cool to be progressive and this vid is cool as hell! Props to Trent and the folks at Art of Mental Warfare.

Now that is some good shit Mayard... Trent Raznor and NIN... THAT's the kind of band and material I'm looking for... That's the kind of band I'd like to be involved with.....JD

Love ya Nicole Bell! (you are my favorite) here at crooks and liars.

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Apathy? I have always care, but I know it is impossible to change it. The sense of hopelessness is something that we have in common with a sucide bomber. The only difference is we grew up on different sides of the world.

I don't really like music, which is strange for an 18 year old, but this guy seems good.

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Time to Impeach for Treason and Try for War Crimes.

Shirt Jac @ 40:

Isn't NIN on Interscope records... I noticed their logo was missing from the opening montage.

Trent Reznor has large swinging brass balls! You are mistaken. He is no longer with Interscope. He told them to fork off once he fulfilled his contract with the release of Year Zero.

Check out his production of a totally self-published, released, and web-distributed album by Saul Williams. Totally DRM free with all of the proceeds from the work going to the artist and production team. Available in high bit-rate .mp3 and FLAC lossless audio.

I tip my hat to Trent for doing something about the corruption in the media business. Don't call him part of the system.

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With all due respect, that video was absolutely fucking terrible. I've done some video editing here and there and that smacks of something created in the eighties by angst-ridden fifteen year-olds.

The message needs to be coherent, instead of a slide show of mocked-up images of 'demonic' Cheney or pseudo-intellectual juxtapositions of Abu Ghraib detainees with Jesus Christ on the cross.

Shawnmeat @ 46:

With all due respect, that video was absolutely fucking terrible. I've done some video editing here and there and that smacks of something created in the eighties by angst-ridden fifteen year-olds.

The message needs to be coherent, instead of a slide show of mocked-up images of 'demonic' Cheney or pseudo-intellectual juxtapositions of Abu Ghraib detainees with Jesus Christ on the cross.

Maybe you could use your video and musical experince to make something better.

DiamondMC @ 48:

Shawnmeat @ 46:

With all due respect, that video was absolutely fucking terrible. I've done some video editing here and there and that smacks of something created in the eighties by angst-ridden fifteen year-olds.

The message needs to be coherent, instead of a slide show of mocked-up images of 'demonic' Cheney or pseudo-intellectual juxtapositions of Abu Ghraib detainees with Jesus Christ on the cross.

Maybe you could use your video and musical experince to make something better.

I'd argue I have, but I'm not going to upload videos I edited for friends' films and shorts here. It's immaterial, though, because you're using a logical fallacy. Are you suggesting that I can't assess the quality of anything without having produced something better? I can't argue that the steak I am eating is kind of crappy unless I've made one better, for example? That's ludicrous.

I think videos that are worse than most of the ones friends in high school produced ten years ago do more damage to the cause than they help it, is all. Simplistic, melodramatic, fast-paced (ironically so, considering their criticism of The Media™) nonsense is not going to turn the country around.

I say this as a fan of Trent Reznor and as someone who agrees with a decent chunk of (what I deciphered to be) the message of the video.

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You have to cry when you think of three words: In. Our. Names.

I dont cry. I get angry. If you will excuse me for saying so the time for crying is long past.

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DiamondMC @ 49:

Maybe you could use your video and musical experince to make something better.

I'll agree with that while also agreeing with the original poster. I did enjoy the video. But, I am admittedly part of the choir. At the same time, I would have liked to see a little more allowance from the editor's standpoint to let the viewer reach their own conclusion without being subjected to an overbaring amount of text. However, if one knows video editing, grab a song and do it. Particularly for politically minded artists' music. It's not like they'll sue. ;)

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"will you bite the hand that feeds you" - insightful line; the more power you cede to the government, the less likely you are to affect change in it. food for thought.

Happy Days lads!

The video calls us out to keep a stiff upper lip & a poke to the mouth ready for the tories who still act as if Bush has a clue.

By the way. They are out there by the spades.

Another NIN video with a political bent...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSy4qk76TSE

JJohnson @ 8:

Old Billy @ 5:

Apathetic or overwhelmed? I feel like the lone dissenter in a stampede of lemmings. I know there are more of you out there, but there are 500 furry little asses between me and the nearest other thinking animal.

I hear you there.

We need to vote smart in 2008; we don't get a second chance with this one.

Yes! We need to vote in the primaries, I am backing Kucinich. I am changing my affiliation to Democrat to do so. And though I have no sound here at work, the images were quite moving on their own...I talked with some younger people over the weekend, and they were CLUELESS as to what's going on...and they laughed when I said we're on the verge of living in a fascist police state...I think I did get through to one of them...but the others....too complacent to care.

While I agree with the message in the video, I feel that this is not anything people haven't been saying here and on similar sites for years. We all know Bush and Cheney, et al are war criminals. We all know that our government is responsible for many hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths. We all know that nothing will change. Cue more shots of Britney's boobs and Paris' ass...

more at my blog...

I went to visit my 80-something year old mother after not seeing her for about two years. She is a conservative, strict RNC party line voter. When last I saw her, her TV would normally be on all day, tuned to FOX or one of the other propaganda outlets - usually CNN.

Though I hadn't seen her in a while, we had been communicating via email. The subject of a lot of that communication ended up being my refuting neocon nonesense/lies that she would send me. Invariably we would end up at a point where I would be asking her why she was unquestioningly allowing her mind to be polluted by FOX or CNN. They offered nothing but lies and a steady diet of fear.

Eventually she started questioning for herself. I gave her the web addresses for sites like C&L and told her she was a fool if she accepted the commercial media at face value. I think she has been doing her own due dilligence, because she has said recently that all the MSM is the same. She even used the word "lies". (!)When I went to visit, the TV was never turned on. Not once. I'm hoping that she is breaking the addiction to the hypnosis and junk food diet of manipulative lies.

My sister was there with me. We had a discussion about Bush and crew, particularly about Bush being a criminally insane personality and, effectively, being a serial killer with the means to commit mass murder - a crime he is gleefully committing. We compared him to history's worst monsters: Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, etc. We noted how the Republican Party is little different than the Nazi SA, that about the only people it attracks today are the morally dead, the maladjusted and all classes of thugs, that the Republican Party is basically the gathering spot for the criminal class. And so on - all this while my mother listened. Oddly, she was quite silent. No FOX / RNC/WH/neocon talking points. And subsequently, she spent much time on the internet. I think she is waking up.

I never thought I'd see the day that she would begin an awakening from the dark dreams(all of them hand delivered to her courtesy of MSM indoctrination and hypnosis) that have possessed her all these many years. I think that breaking the addiction to broadcast and printed media propaganda is a thing that can gradually happen, and when it does, critical thought becomes possible.

Turn off the TV. Better, get rid of it entirely. Save some trees, unsubscribe from the newspapers and new magazines. They offer mostly lies and fear and little to nothing of value.

Clytemnestra @ 38:

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Wow . . . I must be on some killer medication cuz I can't even remember posting the second comment, much less what I said.

I do remember playing this video as my middle son walked into the room and asked me why I was playing NIN. Then alittle later asked me to stop playing it because I was going to make him sick of the song (guess I was playing it too much)

But I had no idea that this medication was so strong as to actually make me forget doing something. . . thank God I'm on bedrest for the next few days!

That viddy rocked my world. Thank you.

The American Public doesn't do anything because most of these things don't effect white suburbanites on a daily basis. Iraq is a far away scary place that Brit Hume says is a paradise and Global Warming "still requires more research." The American Public won't do anything until one of two things happen, 1) A draft or 2) an economic crisis happens. Both seem to be on the horizon but until then we'll just bitch about how f'ed up it is on blogs and watch Bill Maher, but not actually do anything about it.

Jaden @ 72:

DaveTheAngryRhodeIslander @ 71:

While I agree with the message in the video, I feel that this is not anything people haven't been saying here and on similar sites for years. We all know Bush and Cheney, et al are war criminals. We all know that our government is responsible for many hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths. We all know that nothing will change. Cue more shots of Britney's boobs and Paris' ass...

more at my blog...

And there lays the opportunity and responsibility of the ones who are in the know, to spread the word/visuals/whatever to the ones who don't know.

Very good point. This is something I have been doing for the past several years. The biggest problem is that people are so deeply ingrained with FOX, CNN, etc., that when I send links to sites such as C&L, and others, the response is puzzlement. People can't understand that there are sources for information outside of the narrow realm of propaganda from the MSM. They think you're a loon, or worse, when you try to show them something. In that sense, the propaganda machine is winning. We, as in those of us here, are a small minority that gets ridiculed by those in power. It doesn't matter if we're right - we're regarded as "Godless Liberal moonbats". Until (if ever) we become a majority, this will always be the case.

You guys have a nice little party going on over here! Props to C&L and all the C&L readers who make this a cool ass and intelligent community. I appreciate all the comments and discussion about the video. It was something we just put together quickly - all rough and gritty. Keepin it real, that's what we call it.

Thanks - we've just begun!

"Are you brave enough to see?" I think most of ya are!

- David