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Populism for the masses? Or just white guys?

I’m not a fan of the circular firing squad and usually avoid commenting on things like that, but I cannot pass this one up.

Huffington Post’s Tom Edsall did a round up of popular Democratic pundits, asking if Democratic presidential contender John Edwards is really emblematic of the populism that the Democratic party claims they stand for.

Not to take anything away from Edwards, who I agree is a good candidate as far as populist ideals are concerned (and that doesn’t mean that there aren’t others–stay with me here), but look at this list of pundits interviewed:

The Huffington Post sought comment on this question from a number of political writers, activists and scholars, including (David) Sirota; Al From, CEO of the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC); Robert L. Borosage, co-director of the Campaign for America’s Future; Larry Bartels; Lawrence Mishel, President of the Economic Policy Institute (EPI); Time’s Joe Klein; Paul Krugman of the New York Times; Chris Bowers of Open Left; Harold Meyerson, executive editor, American Prospect; John B. Judis, senior editor, the New Republic; Kevin Drum, contributing writer, Washington Monthly, and blogger Political Animal; Ruy Teixeira, fellow, Center for American Progress (CAP) and The Century Foundation; Michael Kazin, professor of history, Georgetown University; Andy Stern, President, Service Employees International Union (SEIU); and Matthew Yglesias, Atlantic.com.

Notice anything? Do you think it would be perhaps instructive to ask that question of…oh, I don’t know, maybe a woman or a minority? I mean, c’mon…Tom Edsall asks Joe Klein (!!!) but can’t ask a single woman or person of color their opinion?  Shameful.  It’s almost as if they assume that the female and minority votes are locked up by other candidates.

Taylor Marsh has more…




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1
CD Says:

Paul Krugman=Jewish.

I’m pretty sure they’re still a minority.

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Udon Nomee Says:

…It’s almost as if they assume that the female and minority votes are locked up by other candidates.

Not to mention the votes of minority females…

3
scarlet p. Says:

how i spent thanksgiving:

http://www.freewayblogger.com/thanksgiving07.htm

damn near all of them stayed up for a few days too…

4
dadams Says:

the days of the whiteboys running this country are coming to an end and it’s about time.
all these corporate whores need to go. if you campaign on giving the people first, then you can not turn around and just legislate advantages for the corporations.

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CD Says:

dadams @ 4:

the days of the whiteboys running this country are coming to an end and it’s about time.
all these corporate whores need to go. if you campaign on giving the people first, then you can not turn around and just legislate advantages for the corporations.

Tread lightly when calling men “boys”.

And then you have something like this that I found over at Kos. This is Mitt Romney speaking.
“. . . based on the numbers of American Muslims [as a percentage] in our population, I cannot see that a cabinet position would be justified. But of course, I would imagine that Muslims could serve at lower levels of my administration.”

How does that strike ya? So even the best person for a high cabinet position would be ignored if he or she were a Muslim. Nice going, Mitt. You asshole!

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JJohnson Says:

pissed off patricia @ 6:

And then you have something like this that I found over at Kos. This is Mitt Romney speaking.
“. . . based on the numbers of American Muslims [as a percentage] in our population, I cannot see that a cabinet position would be justified. But of course, I would imagine that Muslims could serve at lower levels of my administration.”

How does that strike ya? So even the best person for a high cabinet position would be ignored if he or she were a Muslim. Nice going, Mitt. You asshole!

Yeah, but who’s surprised?

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anon Says:

Write Huffington Post off. It is a tabloid - political and social. And it is a ‘censured for profit’ site.

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nihilist homosexual menace Says:

CD @ 1:

Paul Krugman=Jewish.

I’m pretty sure they’re still a minority.

uh, no.

10
x Says:

Taylor Marsh finds male bias? Boy (yuk) that’s a surprise, too.

11
mike-2 Says:

Pretty sure Ruy Teixeira is Hispanic. Matthew Yglesias is also Jewish.

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mo_dems Says:

CD @ 1:

Paul Krugman=Jewish.

I’m pretty sure they’re still a minority.

mike-2 @ 11:

Matthew Yglesias is also Jewish.

woah woah woah people. if one of them was Irish would that make them a minority?

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shantiquax Says:

Deja-vu all over again. Except white males do not own the internet, and therefore cannot control whose voice is heard. Yet. The thing to do is write HuffPo and ask what the fuck?

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WashStateBlue Says:

Who in their right mind is asking Joe Klein anything these days anyway?

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CD Says:

mike-2 @ 11:

Pretty sure Ruy Teixeira is Hispanic. Matthew Yglesias is also Jewish.

Ruy’s wikipedia entry says he’s Portuguese-American.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruy_Teixeira

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naschkatze Says:

I agree with your point, and the one that really, really gets me is the CEO of the DLC (!) making pronouncements on populism.

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Rula Lenska Says:

I’m comfortable seeing Joe Klein in that group. He can give good poop on whether Dewey will beat Truman.

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Rasputin Says:

I had dinner with a friend and his wife not too long ago and we brought up the democratic race. I asked him what he thought of the candidates and he said he was backing Hillary. So I asked him why and he responded:

“Its time for America to have a woman president.”

To which I responded:

“Is the election about gender or is it about where the candidates stand on the issues?”

His response was a look of shock. How dare I ask that question!

Krugman’s assessment is about as close to truth as any of the respondents in that Huffington article and yes Nicole… it would have been good to include some female pundits too, but gender is not the issue… the issues are the issue and Edwards has led the pack and determined the issues that are being debated in this campaign.

As Krugman noted:

PAUL KRUGMAN, NEW YORK TIMES:

I think it’s not a fair test because voters — even primary voters — are NOT getting a clear picture of the candidates’ positions. You’ll have to dig it up, but I’m sure I saw a poll in which Democratic voters believed that Hillary was the leftmost candidate and Edwards the rightmost. [See here.]

The candidates are all much more progressive/populist than anyone would have imagined a couple of years ago. Edwards tends to come up with the policy proposal first, but he’s eventually emulated by the others – and you have to be a serious political groupie to be in the business of inferring positions not from the policies, but by which month they’re announced in. Basically, nobody is running on the pro-business, anti-class-warfare platform. We’re all populists now.

Where I strongly disagree with most of those pundits is how can you be in opposition to the big corporations and their lobbyist… when you are funded by them?

Hillary has taken more money from lobbyist and PACs than all of the other candidates combined in either party.

As one Doc wrote at D-Kos:

I support John Edwards. For many reasons.

Universal healthcare is a big one for me– the sick and injured must be cared for with decency and respect.

ALL of them.

And not just when they’re on death’s door in the Emergency Department where care is federally mandated. Cost effectiveness, in addition to human decency, requires primary preventative care as well.

In my opinion, nobody but John Edwards stands a chance of achieving Universal Health Care, because nobody but John Edwards is willing to fight the HMOs and risk losing their continued financial support.

Do you know which two United States senators took in the most money from HMOs this current cycle?

#1. Hillary Clinton
#2. Barack Obama

First and second place– out of all 100 senators, Republican and Democrat.

Health Services/HMOs:
Money to Congress

Election cycle: 2008

List: Summary Top 20 Members

Candidate
Amount

Clinton, Hillary (D)
$246,480

Obama, Barack (D)
$175,093

http://www.opensecrets.org/ind.....Cycle=2008

http://www.dailykos.com/storyo...../15814/964

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Manila Ryce Says:

They’re not all white males. Joe Klein has a cousin who dated a black chick. Seriously though, this is atrocious. Additionally, I’d like to add that asking established pundits about populism is like asking O’Reilly for a recommendation of a black-owned restaurant in Harlem.

mike-2 @ 11:

Pretty sure Ruy Teixeira is Hispanic. Matthew Yglesias is also Jewish.

I think Big Media Matt is also part Portugese. At least I thought that is what he said at the new gig he shares with Sully and McMegan.

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Richard Kyanka Says:

I think it’s shameful that you’re only zeroing in on their race/gender. At the risk of sounding like Colbert, when I look or think about people the first thing that comes to mind isn’t categorizing them into ‘black, white, asian, or hispanic’ or ‘male or female’. But then again, noticing things like this is usually a sign of the latent racism in the speaker.

Maybe you should look inside yourself before criticizing others?

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Chris Says:

Of course! its about diversity, maybe they did not find anyone of certain political skill level that was a women or minority? Stop playing to race/gender/whining card.

Well, yeah, the issue is Edwards’ populism but I’m with Nicole on this. After all, women are the MAJORITY of voters and also predominate among those at working class wages where Edwards’ populism is aiming at. so hell yeah, balance matters. and it certainly does for minorities, too.

There are so many eloquent women in the blogosphere and women like Ellen Goodman or Larisa at Raw Story, or columnists at The Nation and Mother Jones could easily have been asked, too.

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CD Says:

Richard Kyanka @ 21:

I think it’s shameful that you’re only zeroing in on their race/gender. At the risk of sounding like Colbert, when I look or think about people the first thing that comes to mind isn’t categorizing them into ‘black, white, asian, or hispanic’ or ‘male or female’. But then again, noticing things like this is usually a sign of the latent racism in the speaker.

Maybe you should look inside yourself before criticizing others?

Ouch.

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shantiquax Says:

Richard Kyanka @ 21:

I think it’s shameful that you’re only zeroing in on their race/gender. At the risk of sounding like Colbert, when I look or think about people the first thing that comes to mind isn’t categorizing them into ‘black, white, asian, or hispanic’ or ‘male or female’. But then again, noticing things like this is usually a sign of the latent racism in the speaker.

Maybe you should look inside yourself before criticizing others?

Oye vey!

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crazy train Says:

4 dadams Says: the days of the whiteboys running this country are coming to an end and it’s about time.
all these corporate whores need to go.
————————————————————————————

I agree, hillary needs to go. Even though that might upset taylor marsh.

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Manila Ryce Says:

Chris @ 22:

Of course! its about diversity, maybe they did not find anyone of certain political skill level that was a women or minority? Stop playing to race/gender/whining card.

Oh please. There aren’t any skilled women or minority pundits? With nearly 20 sources, it’s almost as if white males were intentionally sought out. If Fox News can find Republican minorities to parrot their agenda during every show then the Huff post really has no excuse here.

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Mike Meyer Says:

Scarlet P 3 Any chance I could talk you into posting Pelosi’s number on those signs? (1-202-225-0100) I’m going for 6 million calls and YOU are right there in the MARKET PLACE and I sure could use the help.

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Preacher Boob Says:

What a stupid idea!

Ask questions of women and minorities!?

Everyone knows they are the most prejudiced people on earth.

(Other than the Zionists)

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Slabo Says:

One name folks: FDR !!

Edwards will be another FDR !! Yes, a rich white guy named Franklin Delano Roosevelt was the best friend ordinary americans ever had. Not only the the most progressive, but also the greatest liberal president EVER and ranked next to Lincoln by MOST historians.

Don’t believe me ? Ask this black journalist who honors this “rich white guy populist”

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04.....mp;emc=rss

April 18, 2005
OP-ED COLUMNIST

A Radical in the White House
By BOB HERBERT

Or ask thses blacks who lived through the REPUBLICAN Great Depression and honor FDR and his wife Eleanor for their POPULISM despite their wealth.

Roosevelt’s Blues:African American Blues and Gospel Songs on FDR

I say I say… I think hateMoron be a weeeee bit confused!

YAHTZEE !!!

Bwwaaahahahaaa….heehehe hehee…..

Book:
Roosevelt’s Blues: African American Blues and Gospel Songs on FDR (American Made Music Series)

Prior to the long presidency of Franklin Roosevelt, black Americans largely voted Republican. Guido Van Rijn’s analyzes blues and gospel lyrics that contained social and political comments to shed light on the question of why Roosevelt became so popular among blacks. Roosevelt’s Blues is a uniquely fascinating blend of blues lyrics and political history that will appeal to a wide range of readers.

The chapters need not be read in sequence; the reader can skip to topics of special interest, like Got a Job on the WPA, or The Scottsboro Boys, or Uncle Sam is Calling. The blues lyrics are entertaining in themselves, but more importantly they provide a deeper, more personal insight into the Great Depression that is often missing from standard accounts.

The chapters address key events from 1929-1945 including the hard times of the Hoover days (1929-31), the first relief efforts through the Red Cross stores (1933), the CWA (1934), the bonus payment and the PWA (1936), the WPA projects (1937), the draft (1940), the approach of war (1941), Pearl Harbor (1942), wartime rationing (1943), and FDR’s death (1945). The last chapter summarizes the conclusions of Van Rijn’s analysis.

Van Rijn enhanced his text with numerous lyrics, record labels, and historical photographs. An appendix includes extensive notes, a bibliography, a song index, and a discography.

A suggestion to history teachers: To many students the 1920s and 1930s are only vaguely known as those decades bounded by two world wars. The chapters on the Depression years in most standard high school and first year college textbooks are perhaps notable for being somewhat uninteresting. Van Rijn’s Roosevelt’s Blues could enliven classroom discussions, as well as serve as a good example of political and social research. Roosevelt’s Blues also demonstrates that reading history can prove fascinating and enjoyable.

Edwards is the real deal !!

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Fanon Says:

Chris @ 22:

Of course! its about diversity, maybe they did not find anyone of certain political skill level that was a women or minority? Stop playing to race/gender/whining card.

That’s right, I’m sure there aren’t any bright, intelligent or “clean” women or minorities to interview. Spoken like a true white male. Usually people who resort to the ’stop playing the race/gender’ card are in the majority.

And Edwards as a ‘populist’? Give me a break. A rich, white lawyer. Not that this negates his effect to speak for the people, per se, but he sure as hell isn’t one of us. The days of the log cabin, studying by candlelight, up hill both ways to school in the snow candidates are over. We have our choice between rich, more rich, and even richer.

It’s not ok that they couldn’t come up with anyone of a minority race or gender card to interview and I don’t care if you think that’s whining.

T

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Manila Ryce Says:

Richard Kyanka @ 21:

I think it’s shameful that you’re only zeroing in on their race/gender. At the risk of sounding like Colbert, when I look or think about people the first thing that comes to mind isn’t categorizing them into ‘black, white, asian, or hispanic’ or ‘male or female’. But then again, noticing things like this is usually a sign of the latent racism in the speaker.

Maybe you should look inside yourself before criticizing others?

Actually, it’s a populist’s job to recognize demographics. Would you also call Nicole a racist if she mentioned that black people are disproportionately affected by poverty? Race plays a role. There is nothing wrong with pointing that out. White males are not the majority. Hence, noticing that all the sources are white males is fairly relevant to the story.

Richard Kyanka @ 21:

I think it’s shameful that you’re only zeroing in on their race/gender. At the risk of sounding like Colbert, when I look or think about people the first thing that comes to mind isn’t categorizing them into ‘black, white, asian, or hispanic’ or ‘male or female’. But then again, noticing things like this is usually a sign of the latent racism in the speaker.

Maybe you should look inside yourself before criticizing others?

no fear, your comment sounded as much like colbert as E.T. sounds like einstein.

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naschkatze Says:

Rula Lenska @ 17:

I’m comfortable seeing Joe Klein in that group. He can give good poop on whether Dewey will beat Truman.

Good old Rula! I’ve been wondering for years what happened to you. Are you doing the hairspray for Edwards?

35
Tony Says:

It’s the good ole boys club, and the rest of us aint invited.

Typical ivory tower liberal/conservative demagoguery.

36
Cat Atomic Says:

Well, they’ve certainly got their finger on the pulse of the middle aged Jewish man’s opinion, at least.

37
Bullwinkle Says:

This moose used to think that he’d settle for basic competency from a president, which made any Democratic candidate vastly more qualified than any of the Republics. But in the last week John Edwards showed up at WGA rallies on both west and east coasts. Hillary and Barack have paid lip service to the picket lines, he showed up in person twice. Works for me.

As for Edsall’s piece, what are the odds of drawing randomly twenty times from a group of progressive advocates, bloggers, and such, and coming up with only white males? I don’t remember much about my college course in probability and statistics, but that doesn’t look like a random outcome to me…

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CD Says:

Tony @ 35:

It’s the good ole boys club, and the rest of us aint invited.

Typical ivory tower liberal/conservative demagoguery.

Horse shit.

Hillary may or may not be winning but she’s doing a damn good job in the polls and so is Obama.

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Manila Ryce Says:

CD @ 38:

Tony @ 35:

It’s the good ole boys club, and the rest of us aint invited.

Typical ivory tower liberal/conservative demagoguery.

Horse shit.

Hillary may or may not be winning but she’s doing a damn good job in the polls and so is Obama.

And that’s good or bad for minorities and women?

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CD Says:

Manila Ryce @ 39:

CD @ 38:

Tony @ 35:

It’s the good ole boys club, and the rest of us aint invited.

Typical ivory tower liberal/conservative demagoguery.

Horse shit.

Hillary may or may not be winning but she’s doing a damn good job in the polls and so is Obama.

And that’s good or bad for minorities and women?

Their doing so well in the polls proves that race and gender no longer mean a person can or can’t be President.

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AbbeyHoffmansGhost Says:

anon @ 8:

Write Huffington Post off. It is a tabloid - political and social. And it is a ‘censured for profit’ site.

I heartily agree. I have been posting there and reading their posts and stories for a long time but it is winding down. I see them taking their last breaths and I will be leaving after the first of the year unless they make a drastic turnaround. I have been censored there at least ten times, especially when commenting on celebrity blogs; not because of foul language or insults, but because I vehemently disagreed with invalid arguments and vapid reasoning. They’re cooked.

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chris Says:

Fanon @ 31:

Chris @ 22:

Of course! its about diversity, maybe they did not find anyone of certain political skill level that was a women or minority? Stop playing to race/gender/whining card.

That’s right, I’m sure there aren’t any bright, intelligent or “clean” women or minorities to interview. Spoken like a true white male. Usually people who resort to the ’stop playing the race/gender’ card are in the majority.

And Edwards as a ‘populist’? Give me a break. A rich, white lawyer. Not that this negates his effect to speak for the people, per se, but he sure as hell isn’t one of us. The days of the log cabin, studying by candlelight, up hill both ways to school in the snow candidates are over. We have our choice between rich, more rich, and even richer.

It’s not ok that they couldn’t come up with anyone of a minority race or gender card to interview and I don’t care if you think that’s whining.

T

How is John Edwards not one of us? Simply because he busted his butt and worked hard to achieve success? He came from nothing and made something of himself and now you want to hold that against him? I don’t hold success against someone. If you look at where each candidate stands on the issues, John Edwards stands with the people. He is always the first candidate to come out with policy proposals- Healthcare, fighting poverty, combating global warming etc.- and then Hillary and Barrack copy him and the media gives them all the credit. He is the only candidate out there that I trust to stand up to the Corporations and fight for every American.

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Cindy Says:

I am a Democrat.
I am 32.
I am white.
I am college-educated.
I am a woman.
And people seem to assume that I am therefore, by default, a supporter of Hillary.
I’m not.

Edwards has my vote.