Turley: "It Is Rather Clear That What The President Ordered Was A Federal Crime"
By Logan Murphy Tuesday Nov 27, 2007 12:01pm
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The Bush administration has been using the "state secrets" defense in order to have federal law suits challenging their illegal eavesdropping programs thrown out of court. So far, they have been successful; thanks, in most cases, to lazy or partisan judges who have given little or no scrutiny of the validity of their claims which, according to Constitutional law professor Jonathan Turley on Tuesday's Countdown, are nothing more than unconstitutional attempts to cover up their own federal crimes.
Olbermann: "With or without this new law, suppose one of the anti-wiretapping civil lawsuits succeeds, what does that legal victory actually mean then in terms of stopping the government or punishing Alberto Gonzales or any other top officials who were responsible for this?"
Turley: "Well, it can mean a lot and that's one of the reasons there's a lot of people, both Democrats and Republicans, who don't want to see it happen. They don't want a court to say that the president did something that is a federal crime. That's why they're trying to get all these cases thrown out of court because it is rather clear that what the president ordered was a federal crime, clearly defined in federal law. But that causes a problem because many of the Democratic leaders and Republican leaders have promised each other that they would not start impeachment proceedings, but when a federal judge says the president committed a crime, it's pretty darn hard to ignore that."
This is one of the reasons they don't want to impeach. The evidence is quite clear. An impeachment inquiry will certainly lead to articles of impeachment. The Democrats are complicit enablers. They'd rather just run against him all summer. The ironic thing is that they've already lost as many votes from inaction as they ever would have from taking it "too far".
Impeach!
If it is clear that Bush admin. committed crimes to constitutional law experts then what in the hell is the Congress waiting for. If a "regular person " did this they would already be in jail. The law in this country is truly useless and one of these days the people will realize it and begin to take matters into their own hands. The rich and priviledged will pay then.
They're also trying to cover up that they're still going after DANIEL ELLSBERG!
Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought a judge already said that the President had committed a crime. I will try to remember the details...
Pretty darn hard, but not impossible. I'm certain both Democrats and Republicans alike will find the way. Why they want to . . .? I'm not really sure. But they are. And it will happen. I understand that "things changed" after 9/11, but did the nation throw out its soul at the behest of W? Come People, aren't we better than that? Than him?
The crime is that he didn't need to do what he did re warrantless wiretaps, but he and Cheney had been wanting to expand the power of the "unitary executive" (whatever the hell that is) and, boom, buildings come down and those around the big secure conference table all said WTF, well, hey, let's party and did it. Now, no one wants to know what they let go on under their nose.
"... it's pretty darn hard to ignore that."
Yeah but they will. They'll manage it somehow.
Just ignore that 8 ton elephant in the room.
They'll just keep rubbing wintergreen under their noses and staring out the window pretending they can't see or SMELL it.
Wait, wait...
What... what on earth is that supposed to mean? Republicans have promised Democrats that Republicans won't impeach Bush? What next, will Republicans promise that if Democrats don't run negative campaigns against Republicans, Republicans won't run negative campaigns against themselves either?
God, what a bunch of pitiful wretches.
Ok, I found the details:
that is an excerpt from this story
Yes, but...
If the House gives the citizenry the middle finger, and bush/cheney in so many ways tell us to go f*** ourselves, and the rest of the world says it's your problem...
This is all moot.
Now, let's get back to the results of Dancing with the Stars.
Turley falsely predicted Rove indictment
So let me see if I understand this. The pussycrats and the republics have promised each other to be derelict in their Constitutional duties.
Perfect.
Is there a rule of law in this country? For EVERYONE, that is.
Kucinich! I mean, Impeach!
America is run by mobsters who care not one cent for the rule of law.
They do care about profiting off corruption, misery, death, drugs, violence and hardship though. Is it any coincidence that since the U.S. invaded and occupied Afghanistan that opium production skyrocketed?
And this, from a country so vocal in it's "war on drugs".
Actions speak louder than words.
America is run by mobsters.
What is that called when a group of people work together to commit a crime? . . . I used the word one time and someone called me a fruitcake and the psychic pain was so intense that I've repressed it.
Multiple people in a coordinated crime endeavor?
MargeAggedon @ 7:
Oh, Marge...You are sooo right. Election is the main focus/goal/preoccupation of our representatives. Not the rule of law. Never has been nor will ever be.
Of course they'll ignore it. They're buying into the 'we don't have enough votes' myth - I would think that if you have compelling evidence (such as a judge's ruling and/or proof of wrongdoing) that a vote to impeach must follow. Period.
And it's really that simple. Intelligent adults are accepting excuses that wouldn't wash if they came from a misbehaving child. I can't believe this is how Pelosi raised her children, or how she regards her grandchildren.
mo_dems @ 13:
Good catch. We don't want to cast a Paul over things do we?
FOX is State Sponsored TV @ 11:
Uh, ok...what's yer point?
greg white @ 14:
They fly in the drugs, they distribute the drugs, they build the prisons, they fill them with drug users, they farm out the prison labor.
They killed JFK, RFK and MLK . . . they killed hope . . . they rigged the elections . . . they got their war . . they built a private army.
You wait in line to ride the Tea Cup ride at Six Flags over Hallucinations
They can't hold the government accountable.
If they do, they'll have to prosecuting politicians.
That would limit the flow of professional whores running for public office.
Our major corporations love whores. They don't want politicians that read bills and vote according to what they believe is right for America. They just want people who'll do anything nasty for a dollar.
lefty @ 1:
The imperial ship is sinking. No one wants to even shift their weight in fear that they will be blamed for the impending journey to the bottom.
Johnny2Bad @ 18:
Liberal Democrats for Ron Paul!
I find it harder to believe that they will not ignore it. Watching Congress is like Times Square on New Years Eve - I'm just standing around waiting for the balls to drop.
We are a hairs breath away from these f$$ks forming their own judicial system that doesn't have to answer to anybody. We are close to total capitulation of our democracy or what is left of it, and we call, write, do whatever we think will help stop this administration from destroying our country, it seems that nothing helps, nothing changes but you know what, the fat lady aint singing yet, and it is not time to throw in the towel, that is not a luxury we can afford. We must prevail, and the way to do that is to keep shining a light on these people who would take your freedom without care as to whether you lived or died.
My words may be over the top in the drama department but they are accurate, they are coming for us, make no mistake, the war on terrorism is another name used to instill fear and control and in it's name they will enslave us all, if they can.
Well, it appears he can commit all the federal crimes he wants, because Nancy Pelosi has got his back and is going to make sure he gets away with it every time.
The "rule of law" in the country seems to only apply to pot-smokers and jaywalkers. I kid you not, my husband got a ticket for jaywalking in Seattle last year for crossing in a crosswalk but against the light on a night when it was pouring down rain. Crimes like these are prosecuted, but the treasonous acts of this government are overlooked "for the good of the country...".
Jeon Ji-Yung @ 24:
Avid Reader @ 20:
Amen, Amen! Great comments!
the dems have been trying hard to look as tough as possible in the war on night attacks, or err terror.
yet, they missed the REAL fight they should have be fighting--which is the fight to protect the constitution from the criminal-in-thief. they have abdicated that responsibility. they have failed america. example, hillary, she has used polling data, focus groups, strategists to concoct a tough-girl demeanor. yet, when it comes to actually defending america from domestic threats she simply rolls over.
Go Kucinich!
Hypothetical situation: Bush goes into a crowded subway station, and mows people down with an assault rifle. Nothing will ever happen to him, because... y'know... impeachment is "off the table".
I hope that the next president nominates Turley to the Supreme Court when the next vacancy opens. You know he gives a shit about the Constitution and the concept of justice, unlike, Roberts, Alito, Scalia, Thomas and that other swinging dick.
Bill Cllinton got impeached and remains one of the most respected and loved Presidents of the modern age.
George Bush is a humiliation to himself and the nation. He will be a laughingstock for decades after his occupation of the White House has ended, and then he will disappear into the same blackhole of history that has swallowed all our other unremarkable Presidents.
Bush will be remembered for mindless unwarranted war, prosecution of innocents and the near destruction of American freedom. He will be dismissed with disgust, revulsion and contempt.
Dr. Acula @ 12:
As my Dad's friend Vito would have said "No. So you gotta problem wit' dat?" And that's pretty much what I'm hearing the Democrats in the House and Senate say to me, to us.
The same damned people who let the Repubics tear Clinton a new butt hole because of the Lewinsky non-affair (and some of them actually pretended to be shocked and ashamed of Clinton, remember) seem to think it's no big deal when this unelected grandson of a Nazi sympathizer violates our rights, the constitution and the law of the land.
(Question for the room: is this the same Jonathan Turley who tried to defend Ward Churchill against the Repubic fascist-symps in Colorado? The outraged Repubics cobbled up a set of charges against Churchill so they could fire him for publishing an article about 9/11 that they didn't like. The same Party that elected the son and grandson of a Nazi sympathizer -- and had no compunction whatsoever in doing so -- got bent out of shape when Churchill suggested that there were "little Eichmans" working in the WTC. Hell, our "President's" grandfather would have shook hands with the "big Eichman" if he saw a profit in it. Back to the point: Turley is a recognized constitutional expert and scholar. He may, indeed, have predicted that Rove would be indicted, but don't knock him for failing to see just how badly the system of justice has degenerated.)
Maddy @ 25:
bring them on,! now this second while im still able to take some of em with me!
Hey Pelosi and the scared-o-crats: Eff You! You have failed us miserably.
We need a god damned third party with some traction in this country in the worst way.
Liberal AND Proud @ 32:
I agree with almost everything you said, excpet that he will disappear as being unremarkable. He will be forever remembered. His presidency has not been unremarkable. It is just that it is remarkable for all of the wrong reasons.
Johnny2Bad @ 18:
HA! Good one!
If that thrice-damned 'Homegrown Terrorism' Act passes, we'll all be arrested for thought crime and put up at the Halliburton Suites at Guantanamo Bay.
Instead of America standing up and showing courage and conviction in the face of adversity, we're cowering under our desks.
John Ashcroft once chided 'those who would frighten freedom-loving people with phantoms of lost liberties.' And America has chosen to listen to those who would frighten freedom-loving people with phantoms of widespread terrorist networks seeking to bring Shari'a to your neighborhood.
The former is defending America and what it stands for; the latter actively tears it apart under the guise of fighting terrorism. Now, we jump at Lite-Brite signs advertising cartoons, or self-absorbed MIT students wearing blinky lights on their hoodie. We panic when an offbeat running club uses chalk and flour to mark a course.
Yet the populace at large continues to ignore the nonsensical 'we're fighting them there so we don't have to fight them here.' We're ignoring that this administration has done nothing to secure this country, choosing to promote the foolish 'magic intercept' theory and surveillance programs reminiscent of failed fascist and communist states.
Real security must be fail-safe. You want to go trolling for the secret message from Ali ibn Babalooey to his legions hiding in middle America, that's fine - but what do we do if you miss that one, critical message? How are we prepared to handle a crisis when intelligence gets ignored as is SOP at the White House? We need defense-in-depth, just like any winning sports team.
We're not doing it, and this 'our policies are working!' horseshit is only hastening the day that we will reap the consequences of our willful ignorance.
Fanon, i guess the best word for George Bush's legacy would be "infamous".
It's been pretty damned difficult for the general public to excuse this president's flaunting of the laws and as noted, this is a federal crime. It deserves to be handled like other federal crimes, regardless of who's perpetrating the crime; more specifically Governor Bush deserves to be taken into custody and held until such time as his trial comes up where he can be judged by his peers and either exhonerated from or charged with his crimes. Same as any other member of the citizenry. Don't you think?!
Hate to break it to you, Gov. Poopy-pants... you're no better (certainly you've proven that!) than anyone else.
Fanon @ 36:
Infamy is the only kind of remembrance that shrub can ever hope to achieve.
Liberal AND Proud @ 39:
Nefarious, criminal and might I hope for accused, prosecuted, tried and convicted?
When they send me to Gitmo for my "disloyalty", someone call Turley for me, OK?
Excuse me if I don't hold my breath until something is done about this. Sometimes I feel the only way justice can or will be done is if the PEOPLE drag these asshole out kicking and screaming before the Hague...or open revolt.
chris @ 3:
Agree 100%!!! This double standard has got to end in this corrupt government of ours!! What a mockery of fairness and accountability from our elected "officials" (they can hardly be called leaders) the courts and our Congress. I am getting damn sick of it all.
Turley is great. Smart. Fair. Make him AG in 2009.
I think he will protect our interests and the Constitution.
tyree @ 34:
Yeah, before I have to take my afternoon nap
Avid Reader @ 23:
Liberal Democerats for a right-wing shitbag! Yeah! Let's vote in a racist anti-choice paranoid government-hater! Yeah!
Then again, I'm not surprised that the Paulbots are out in force here - after all, a lot of the folks here are hyper-paranoid conspiracy theorists who want to push their psychopathy on everyone they can.
Remember, Turley speaks as a Constitutional Law Scholar, not as a politically in-tune pundit. If he thought that Rove would be indicted, or the President has committed a crime, he's only looking at the legal side of things, trying to strip away the political cover. Unfortunately, the political cover is strong and tight.
FOX is State Sponsored TV @ 11:
it's still not too late...
I'm afraid we may misunderestimate the presidunce's legacy.
Imprison!
When did impeachment become such a big, scary deal? I mean, I know it's unusual and a very serious thing to kick a president out of office, but why is it treated by Americans as practically the end of democracy? As if it means mob rule or something?
I don't get it. The test for getting rid of a bad president is vague and broad: "high crimes and misdemeanors". That covers a lot of ground, including minor, non-criminal violations of the law.
In parliamentary systems, prime ministers and/or their governments are replaced all the time. It's democracy in action. It's a few days of trauma, then the world goes on.
What the hell are the Democrats so afraid of?
I can't decide if I want to be interred inside or outside the United States.
Don't they use different voltage outside of the US? Will it make a difference when they apply the electrodes to my gonads?
Turley is one truly sexy man - those brains, that smile, that humanity. I second the nomination for Attorney General Turley.
The legacy of Dick Cheney and George Bush will be the first openly criminal executives to have governed the United States without answering for their crimes and gathered unprecedented broad powers into the Executive Branch thereby putting the United States onto the path of tyranny.
Restoring power and voice to The People and/or impeachment are not seriously considered by lawmakers, those running for president especially the political party that stands to inherit the reigns of power because.......Dems want some o'dat.
Makes Specter and Kennedy look like they are attempting to be some sort of saviors, but really, isn't this just a bit late in the game? Smoke and mirrors.
enor @ 46:
Nah! Obama would make a great AG. Except, who would be the prez?
Actually, if I was the new prez in 2009 (yeah, right) I'd appoint Prof Turley and 2 other widely-respected Constitutional scholars to committee that would review the booosh administrations actions. I would task them to identify what action needs to be taken to return the Federal Government to its proper balance.
Peace through impeachment!
Marco
Liberal AND Proud @ 54:
At this time of the year up in Soviet Canuckistan, our electrodes will be a little colder than you're used to. Might cause a little gonadal shrinkage, if you catch my drift.
:o)
Jeon Ji-Yung @ 24:
My cat has bigger balls.
Avid Reader@ 15;
The word you are looking for and fear to utter in mixed company is conspiracy.... When two or more people 'conspire' to commit acts which can be contrued as crimes by any reasonable person or law enforcement official who hasn't actually been corrupted themselves.... And what the Republicans in masse, far too many democrats for me to stomach, and an administration whose officials from the oval office right on down to the pogue in the basement, along with a majority of members of a judiciary who have tarnished to the point of invalidation, their branch of the govenment thru laziness and/or outright collusion as payback for their specific appointments are actively doing this or allowing it to occur under their noses???.....
That qualifies in my book as a conspiracy and an ongoing crime against the average citizens of this nation... CONSPIRACY dammit!!! It is an ongoing criminal enterprise by all three branches... When the phrase 'republicans and democrats have promised each other they would not initiate impeachment' for what are clearly crimes against the nation and its' citizens, that is a conspiracy and an ongoing criminal endeavor..... As well as a travesty on the constitution of these United States!!!
People by and large want to remain asleep, I know that! They want things to work our so that they CAN just focus on Dancing with the Stars or NFL football or the NBA or Nascar or whatever... They don't want to consider the seriousness of what this specifically means... IT IS mind boggling... However, when people see what is going on at the highest levels of all three branches of government and then take a good hard look around themselves and what it has brought down on all our heads as consequences? Be it a neverending war based on lies, draining two plus generations of our population and ruining our economy by draining the treasury? Be it improper and illegal phone tapping of average American people for political purposes and masquarading as some phony fight against a completely fabricated as presented boogieman they have no intention of finding anyway? Then using a perverted definition of state secrets to avoid accountability of this henious act? When average people see good paying jobs going out of this nation with two out of the three branches of our governments blessing and assistance and the third branch ignoring the ramifications and the so-called fourth estate cheerleading the cause..., and then are fed the ridiculous lie that this is actually helping people and the nation economically? When we are all spoonfed the total lie that media or industry in general consolidation is a good thing and leads to more competition and competitive pricing only to see how big that lie is at the end of every other month when the envelope for the phone/cable/cell/utilities bills in general are opened up only to find constantly rising prices and any number of hidden fees and what not? When taxes are forgiven for corporations who just spent the last year offshoring manpower as well as tax liability while the middle class gets slowly raped for more and more taxes to make up for this revenue shortfall?
When all that and more hard realities intrude on the average persons life... What Chris@3 alluded to is where it all ends up.
And THAT my friends, for all practical purposes amounts to anarchy... When there is no longer any trust in government at any level, and lets not forget the widespread scandals that permeates police forces thru-out the nation. And then there is that whole goddamned problem percalating with private security companies being hired and used for what should clearly be issues of national interests, not private investment opportunities, and which in and of itself is or should be clearly viewed as improper and unlawful... When all these things are happening day after day, week after week, month after month... People lose faith, people start taking the law into their own hands... And noone regardless of what they might wish in a perfect world can really blame them... The old man gunning down two would be home robbery thugs caught in the act as just a single example that really happened in the last week... It shouldn't have to come to that but it does... When these types of things begin, we are well on the way down that slippery slope to anarchy..
Governments slowly crumble as people lose all faith and trust.
Society becomes destabilized, and a nation falls from within...
It ain't pretty, it ain't right and just because a small, and I mean a razor thin majority statistically speaking allowed an immoral misfit to assume power in this nation, I do not think the people of this nation, even the morons who assisted thru their cluelessness deserves the kind of fate that all this is leading too.
And I submit, the sonsofbitches running congress, and the house and the judiciary and all the other mechanisms of this nations government would rather blythly lead us all and trot down that path instead of doing their damed jobs and impeaching this bastard who has so ruptured our nations soul???? Whats that about.. really???? Fear? Cowardice? Personal greed? WHAT GODDAMMIT!!!
Just what the hell kinds of souless greed driven cowards hands have we put our fates in? Or more to the point, been snookered into believing in... And where is that man or woman of courage who will say ENOUGH! Is it really going to have to come down to anarchy and bloody revolution in the streets to end all this shit? What say you Dennis? Barrack? Chris? Ron? Joe? Hillary? Nancy? Harry? John? Diane? What say all you whom would presume to have what it takes to lead us out of these woods?...For the sake of avoiding the personal difficulties and private embarassments of dealing with an impeachment of a sitting president who more than any other in history deserves the rebuke of impeachment... You people would rather have the nation burn to the ground? I say FUCK YOU every last damned one of you! IF you people allow all this to come to pass just because you think you need to honor immoral and improper back room deal making... The walls of your gated communities and all the private security in the world will never be high enough to protect your asses in the end!....Believe it!
Sorry all, I know, typically too damned wordy, but this is some serious, possibly the mose serious shit in the history of this nation and my thoughts on it, just don't condense down easily...
My last comment about this is to implore those who presume to be our leaders to get up off their lazy chickenshit asses and do the right thing... Do right by the nation, by its people, by that piece of paper called the consitution... Start by impeaching George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and indicting every senior member of that administration... It's the only thing that has any chance of restoring our nation, its reputation and integrity and saving us all from further pointless bloodshed which will surely follow down the road as consequence for continuing to ignore the will of the average citizenry and enabling these crimes being purpetrated on us all........................JD
FOX is State Sponsored TV @ 11:
Rove should have been indicted. Cheney got to Fitzgerald. I think Fitzgerald's motive for the whole process was to make the smallest splash possible.
By the way, Turley supported impeachment of Clinton. I don't know the specifics about what comprises perjury and what Clinton said in his grand jury testimony, but I think perjury charges at least deserved to be brought. Then there's that issue of what is a "high" crime, but fortunately with Bush I can't imagine anyone saying that his crimes aren't really that big a deal.
Could you imagine what would happen if Fitzgerald had Ken Starr's tenacity? He'd have pinned Vincent Foster's suicide on Cheney.
Hmmm... the very first woman Speaker of the House... and she turns out to be too girly to handle the job. Too bad.
Don’t they use different voltage outside of the US? Will it make a difference when they apply the electrodes to my gonads?
No electricity is necessary. See Casino Royale (the new one) for details.
Fran Taylor @ 63:
Yeeeouch...thanks...I REALLY needed that image.
Turley asserts leadership "promised" not to impeach</strong>
I found this quite shocking to hear, so baldly stated from a public figure.
"...Because it is rather clear that what the President ordered was a Federal crime. Clearly defined in Federal law. But that causes a problem. Because many of the Democratic leaders and the Republican leader have promised each other that they would not start impeachment proceedings. But when a Federal judge says the President committed a crime, it's pretty darn hard to ignore that."
So um when will they start accepting flag designs for whatever this new country is the multinationals are designing for we the peeps? Will they mark it with some kind of ceremony- will we be given amnesty to bring in our old stars & stripes & trade these tired old rags full of sound & fury but signifying nothing in for the new flag of this unrecognizable country?
I forget the legal phrase, but there is some provision that exempts officers from lawsuits arising from how they do their jobs.
But that's Civil not Criminal.
It also seems that if you cannot pass Ex Post Facto laws to criminalize an act after the fact, than one shouldn't be able to pass such laws to decriminalize it, particularly just for a select few of the population.
And how can one state an office has inherent powers and claim to be a strict constructionist at the same time, nor imply inherent powers in other branches of the government?
They're still trying to argue against Marbury v Madison.
61 Old Billy
Scooter helped Turdblossom make a small splash.
Jack Damage @ 60:
No apology necessary. I think you put that very concisely. If we want to stay a nation of laws instead of a nation of men (think Saddam Hussein, Pervez Musharef, Fidel Castro), we need to impeach.
Maybe Elliot Spitzer can bring RICO charges on the whole fricking lot of them.
Fran Taylor @ 63:
Fran Taylor @ 63:
I'm curious, did they use a potato-battery?
Annoyed Canuck @ 53:
I have NO idea what the Dems are waiting on...I keep hoping they've got something up their sleeves...but they keep doing NOTHING. I remember Clinton was impeached for a goddamn blowjob, and the repugs were acting like justice was done..NOW that BushCo is commiting SERIOUS, TREASONOUS acts...suddenly impeachment is off the table...WTF?!?!
99% of these politicians need to oustered!
Old Billy @ 70:
No it was one of those batteries with a small bottle of water with strips of aluminum and copper.
Old Billy @ 70:
They sat Bond down nude in a chair with the bottom cut out...and then proceeded to smash his nuts from underneath with a huge rope which had a very large knot at the end.
ysbaddaden @ 66:
Functional Immunity?
They do it all the time. Draft dodger immunity, for example. But, not to be applied differently to different people.
One can do this by absolutely excusing oneself from any form of integrity. Of course, one must then carry the mantle, "ass-munching hypocrite."
Isn't that the Knicks's backcourt? By the way, Midnight Judges was the name of my first imaginary band.
ysbaddaden @ 69:
Liberal AND Proud @ 74:
In the book it was a rattan carpet beater.
Liberal AND Proud @ 74:
I know I should be more careful with the e-sarcasm, but I was just trying to be funny. I wasn't actually curious. Thanks anyway, L & P.
ysbaddaden @ 77:
Speaking of talking dirty...
This was also when Bond received two new scars on the back of his hands, but I believe he already had the knife scar on his face.
In the new movie, he had so such scar, but Le Chiffre did.
"If, in fact, Bush has refused to enforce the '1140 provisions in about 150 federal bill' he should be impeached immediately -- notwithstanding Speaker Pelosi's lack of interest -- because it would be an extraordinary breach of his oath. Given Bush's characteristically truculent attitude, it is difficult to believe he issuing these signing statements as a symbolic gesture...His statements are an insult to the lawmaking process, for which he claims he does not have to follow the constitutional rules. At a minimum they reflect a deplorable attitude for a president of the United States; at worst Bush is engaging in impeachable behavior, but has yet to be caught." John Dean Broken Government
The above quote deals with Bush's signing statements, obviously, but it is relates to Bush's desire to keep these secrets secret. It part of the unitary executive theory. A theory which posits the notion that the president is the sole authority in the US government. It recognizes no checks on his power. No other agency, including the Congress and the courts, can say what he can and cannot do. The fact that these judges are allowing this to happen sets a dangerous precedent. It means any president from now on might be able to use the arguments as well. When these secrets become known, they will show not only that these acts were illegal but how he has been governing for the past several years. Something Bush and friends want to keep very secret.
If you haven't read John Dean's book, you should. It is very eyeopening.
Old Billy @ 79:
Whatever it was...I still get sympathy pains whenever I think of it.
Geez, I'd rather have the electrodes.
ecotopian @ 81:
Reading it. I'll be reading the other two in reverse order.
Who watches the "watchdogs"? The farmer needs to get out his shotgun and clear the foxes from the chicken coop and pronto!
Kudos to Turley. He always rocks on Keith and Randi's shows. His blog is excellent
I doubt Pelosi would let a little something like a judge telling the world Bush broke the law force her to put impeachment back 'on the table'. She has been derelict in her duty so far, I doubt some stinkin activist judge could force her hand at this stage of the game....
Old Billy @ 79:
The 00's already had it in their files that Le Chiffre was a flagellant, and suspected homosexual.
After the beating Bond was bleeding to death, and while recovering in the hospital he was questioning the wisdom of agents from rival countries killing each other for no reason other than orders. But after Vesper Lynd commited suicide, and Bond was finished with reading her suicide note and crying, he found his motive again, in fighting SMERSH, the agency that forced her suicide.
In the movies SMERSH, (short for SMERt' SHpionam [СМЕРть Шпионам]), or "Death to Spies") an actual Russian organization originated under Lavrentiy Beria (the Che Guevara of his day and state) was dropped for the Kevin McClory created agency SPECTRE.
fwacbar Says:
I doubt Pelosi would let a little something like a judge telling the world Bush broke the law force her to put impeachment back ‘on the table’.
Oh, but you don't UNDERSTAND, see Nancy IS doing her job and you're just being a naive simpleton when you expect her to preserve, protect and defend the constitution because of errr...caucus...her job is to win elections...errr...represent Democratic party...because otherwise Republicans might score some points...but...her job is...because of caucus...YOU'RE THROWING AWAY YOUR VOTE!!!...err...Democrats aren't as bad as Republicans...errr...gotta support the caucus.
Here's the congressional oath of office. Would any party loyalists out there care to point out the part about doing what's good for your party?
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter."
It is "Rather" clear that you poor folks haven't clue.
This is too rich.
Keep it up. The Abyss of Obscurity isn't full yet.
Snooper @ 89:
The butler did it in the kitchen with Col. Mustard with a toilet plunger.
OUTING A CIA AGENT IN TIME OF WAR IS TREASON AGAINST THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
Call Nancy Pelosi @1-202-225-0100 and DEMAND IMPEACHMENT.
And how about YOU, is IMPEACHMENT off YOUR table?