Well the country’s run by old rich people. Old people are spaced out, careless, and mistake prone. For that matter people who don’t have to worry about money (politicians) are also spaced out, careless, and mistake prone for the most part.

Bush is the Ultimate in spaced out, careless, and mistake prone of course. But when your born on home base and think you hit a home run what do you expect.

Yeah I noticed that for the first time Dobbs was honest with himself when he said “I am not smart” for get the rest of his sentence, we can just focus on the FACT that he said he is not smart. so the headlines tomorrow should read Dobbs:I’m dumb as a post

The surge. WTF? Whatever happened to the brigades of Iraqi Army and Police we were training? When are they going to stand up? Did that just evaporate like a bad marketing program at a poorly run corporation? I want my goddamned money back. The surge, my ass.

Hey, I also noticed that nobody seems to bring up the fact that the surge has lasted about 8 months longer then we were promised. once again the Republicans can just lie their ass’s off, nobody cares. they can commit crimes against humanity…no problem, they can steal billions (probably trillions) and that’s cool, but if a Democrat opens his (or her) mouth we are going to examine every word as if it were a crime scene.

these people should be ashamed of themselves, but as I always remember Republicans have no morals so they do not know shame.

More and more, President Bush’s strategy in Iraq resembles an M.C. Escher illustration. Like the hands drawing each other or the elegant depiction of stairways that cannot possibly meet, the military progress of the U.S. surge is producing an image of a future Iraq that, while glorious to behold, can never be built. The very American alliances with Sunni tribal leaders that are reducing sectarian violence and the threat from Al Qaeda also threaten to undermine the Shiite majority government in Baghdad. And the “enduring” U.S. presence announced by President Bush this week may serve only to protect the Maliki government from its domestic enemies, not its friend and American foe Iran. If anything, the surge may be making the prospect of Iraqi national reconciliation even more remote.

For the details, see:
“Bush’s M.C. Escher Strategy for Iraq.”

I’m so tired of these republican fuckers saying that democrats want the surge to fail or they want to lose in Iraq all for political considerations. I’d like to see one of the fucktwads say it to my face.

Marcus Aurelius @ 3:

The surge. WTF? Whatever happened to the brigades of Iraqi Army and Police we were training? When are they going to stand up? Did that just evaporate like a bad marketing program at a poorly run corporation? I want my goddamned money back. The surge, my ass.

that’s another good point, it just doesn’t matter in this country what the criminal Republicans do, the bought and paid for media just looks the other way! FUCK, it makes me mad!

everyone should e-mail some facts about the surge to Lou Dobbs and let him know he’s one of the most anti-American bastards in the country and he should change his ways!

What has workedi is, when the Brits pulled out the violence subsided.

Dobbs ain’t that smart?

NO SHIT!

Just because Lou Dobbs and CNN as a whole are not as far left as Keith Olbermann doesn’t mean CNN isn’t liberal. They’re just slightly more subtle at it.

The last two CNN debates should’ve removed all doubt as to their liberal tendencies.

i heard dobbs will be on DEMOCRACY NOW! with amy goodman in the near future (mon?)

his whole anti immigration schtick started months after the talk radio blowhards started pushing it (right after katrina) - then he jumped on the bandwagon

Today’s story: Let’s say I am standing on the edge of a bayou with a buddy of mine, trying to get across to the other side, but we see an alligator swim by. He decides to jump in and wrestle the fucker. I think he’s an idiot, as I watch him battle and get chewed up pretty good. Then he yells out “I’m gonna step it up–gulp–gonna really get on him now, just watch!” By the way all this time, I’ve been throwing rocks ant the gator helping out and encouraging my buddy to get the fuck out of there, to no avail. Both he and the gator are taking big hits. Now I notice he seems to be getting the upper hand on the beast. Great. Here’s my observation so far as I watch:
I have always wanted my buddy to win.
I have always thought he was an idiot for choosing that approach to get across the bayou.
I have always helped him.
We STILL ain’t to the other side yet, and there was probably an easier way.
If I recognize that he is doing better in the fight, that does not make me a hypocrite.
I still hope its over soon.
The end.

After years of hammering the Bushies for selective quotation, you guys turn around and do the same thing!

That half of the Iraqi government hates the other half and wants them dead is not news. Not for at least two years.

And all Murtha was doing was CYA: after literally months of denigrating the so-called surge, he was confronted with unambiguous evidence that it *was* working. He had to say something to save his sorry behind.

Don’t get me wrong here: a day without sticking it to Lou Dobbs is a day wasted.

And then there’s Mr. Olbermann, who has his own spin-cycle going on. And that is the reason for this post: you’re contrasting relative slime levels, and that gets tired pretty quickly.

The last two CNN debates should’ve removed all doubt as to their liberal tendencies.

Yeah, that’s why CNN replaced Glenn beck with Rachel Maddow - in Bizarro World.

Dennis @ 10:

Just because Lou Dobbs and CNN as a whole are not as far left as Keith Olbermann doesn’t mean CNN isn’t liberal. They’re just slightly more subtle at it.

The last two CNN debates should’ve removed all doubt as to their liberal
tendencies.

Thanks for a good laugh. Ever hear of Glenn Beck? Nancy Grace?

hey, dennis if the media was liberal, do you really think this brain dead moron would have ever been president? the day he went to bob jones u. a liberal media would have annilated him, instead they embraced him.

Peter @ 13:

After years of hammering the Bushies for selective quotation, you guys turn around and do the same thing!

That half of the Iraqi government hates the other half and wants them dead is not news. Not for at least two years.

And all Murtha was doing was CYA: after literally months of denigrating the so-called surge, he was confronted with unambiguous evidence that it *was* working. He had to say something to save his sorry behind.

Don’t get me wrong here: a day without sticking it to Lou Dobbs is a day wasted.

And then there’s Mr. Olbermann, who has his own spin-cycle going on. And that is the reason for this post: you’re contrasting relative slime levels, and that gets tired pretty quickly.

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha!!!!

Thanks for the laugh, I needed it.

Now, back on topic: Dobbs had two Republican shysters and one sensible individual at his roundtable, and in the mainstream media, that is representative: Two shysters to every one realist.

Nicely done Jon Soltz, nicely done. So on point, does not fall for the ThugliCon trick trying to make Dems play defense. Offense on the message that political reconciliation, is still a failure. Political progress is the true objective. Do not let them fuck up the conversation with their diversion tactics. ThugliCons are such creeps. Such.

Yes, of course I notice. But Nicole, what a waste of energy to point out that Lou Dobbs is biased and willfully stupid. Why not move to the next stage?

Democrats wanted the surge to fail!? I don’t think so, and what a disgusting thing to say. Meanwhile Republicans are the ones wanting the surge to succeed if only because it let’s them say “I told you so.” If it means less soldiers are dying or things are improving for regular Iraqis, well that’s a nice biproduct, I guess. The party that put more soldiers in harms way (and keeps them there) just to score points in an argument or not have to admit that they are wrong. Blood-handed bastards!

Folks, this is just another example of the slippery slope we’re on right now. We’re in a downward spiral and it will take CHANGE and SACRIFICE to pull out of it. The party’s over, and getting that agent of change in the White House will be no cake walk. The righteous right wing Republicans will not let go easily.

Go to bluestatements.com to help spread the sanity.

Lou Dobbs is a racist and I’ve never known any racist to be too smart. CNN really does seem to be in a race to “outfox” Fox. And, unforturnately, we don’t seem to have any clear headed Democrats that can counter this bull. None seem to have the guts to demand a more balanced media or even talk about it. No wonder this country is so screwed.

The only reason the surge is “working” is because
Iraqis have learned to hate Al Qaeda more than
they hate Americans, which is considerable.

We won. Time to go home.

That’s it. We serve no purpose being there.

The U.S gov’t also needs to relocate a few million
Iraqis, and figure out how much we owe the Iraq
nation in compensation for the monstrous things
done to them.

Al Qaeda is basically a heroin smuggling enterprise
at this point — and the ever popular boogeymen
exploited by cowardly politicans and media moguls.

Dennis @ 10:

Just because Lou Dobbs and CNN as a whole are not as far left as Keith Olbermann doesn’t mean CNN isn’t liberal. They’re just slightly more subtle at it.

The last two CNN debates should’ve removed all doubt as to their liberal tendencies.

Dennis, you know I like you, but this is laughable on its face. If CNN was truly “liberal” why were there NO questions on liberal issues at the debate? Why no Universal Health Care? No question on the sub-prime market crashing? All the debate had was Republican bumpersticker questions of God, gays and guns.

Moreover, I don’t WANT CNN or MSNBC to be “liberal”. I want that myth gone. I want REAL journalism. I want the full quote that Murtha gives. I want background to know if he’s right or blowing smoke out of his ass to CYA. I want to journalists to ask soldiers on the ground (like Jon Soltz was) if it was an accurate assessment.

Facts are not liberal, Dennis. Shame on you.

The Republicans have the fax.

Without the fax they would be at a loss as to what to say.

Take away their fax machines and we win.

Many war supporters have been claiming lately that the surge is “working”, and that the Democrats and media are afraid to report this. What the war supporters are afraid to report is that the success of the MISSION is nowhere to be seen, if that were so, they’d be shoving that claim in our face.

..he was confronted with unambiguous evidence that it *was* working.

Unless of course you consider the evidence that violence is down because “ethnic cleansing” has been accomplished, or unless you consider the evidence that many Iraqi’s are returning to Iraq because they’ve been kicked out of Syria, or you consider the evidence that the goal of the surge was to bring down the violence so the Iraq government could get its shit together and hasn’t, I guess that’s pretty unambiguous.

If I do A so the B will happen and after I do A, B does not happen, have I ultimately been successful? BTW, as the Iraqi’s stand up, we’ll stand down.

The goal posts on what constitutes military success in Iraq have been moved so many times that noone even remembers where they originally stood. So now what amounts to marginal military “progress” can be spun successfully by Bu$hCo as the greatest triumph since D-Day. And our “liberal” lapdog media dutifully transcribe the wonderful “news”.

Nicole Belle @ 24:

Dennis @ 10:

Just because Lou Dobbs and CNN as a whole are not as far left as Keith Olbermann doesn’t mean CNN isn’t liberal. They’re just slightly more subtle at it.

The last two CNN debates should’ve removed all doubt as to their liberal tendencies.

Dennis, you know I like you, but this is laughable on its face. If CNN was truly “liberal” why were there NO questions on liberal issues at the debate? Why no Universal Health Care? No question on the sub-prime market crashing? All the debate had was Republican bumpersticker questions of God, gays and guns.

Moreover, I don’t WANT CNN or MSNBC to be “liberal”. I want that myth gone. I want REAL journalism. I want the full quote that Murtha gives. I want background to know if he’s right or blowing smoke out of his ass to CYA. I want to journalists to ask soldiers on the ground (like Jon Soltz was) if it was an accurate assessment.

Facts are not liberal, Dennis. Shame on you.

Nicole, you know I like you too, but you’re just wrong here. No offense.

The last debate was a Rebpublican Youtube debate. None of the questions bothered me and I’d be happy to listen to every one of the candidate’s responses to ANY question that came up, right or left. But it’s a primary debate and we are about to vote on who Republicans want to nominate to run for President- we’d like questions on issues that that Republicans care about on this one, not Democrat operatives that CNN conveniently announces they had no idea they were.

And if Keith Olbermann ever gives both sides of any story it will have been his first time.
If it’s shameful of me to believe this, then so be it, but I think Keith Olbermann is about the most biased news disseminator on television today. He seethes hatred for everything Republican- can you tell me one person on TV on the right who was ever like that during the Clinton Administration? Can you tell me one person now on the right who is as rabidly obsessed with one person on the left like he is with Bill O’Reilly?

I would liked to have heard a question on the sub-prime market situation, btw. On both the debates.

If the surge is working as well as they say, then Dobbs and Murtha should have no problem going to Bagdad and doing a live broadcast outside the Green Zone to show it’s effects. Those of us on the Left should call everyone of these dickheads on this. If its as safe as they claim then we would like to see it for ourselves, so go show us.

Of course we all know it’s bullshit, but it funny how they carry on.

I’m waiting for Murtha to clarify what he ment.

I didn’t hear any spin I heard him say the surge was working.

success is ONLY 30-40 soldiers a month killed.

talk about lowering the bar. we went from candies and a flourishing capitalist democracy that will spread like wildflower seeds across the middle east to……….

“we only had 20 soldiers die this month”

“second consecutive month with a reduction in deaths”

yippppee says the dead soldiers family, im sure they are ecstatic about how trivial this administration treats the life of an american soldier.

lip service isnt support, time to quit asking KIDS to die FOR NOTHING.
why are republinazis so concerned about poor iraqi people?
compassionate conservative, code for, “we will bomb youre babies”.

I guess I got what I wanted.

http://www.rawstory.com/news/m.....02007.html

Dennisl
Kieth Olbermann isn’t liberal, he’s honest. You have confused the truth for a political bias. I have never caught him in a lie. Have you ever caught Bush in a lie? Or maybe Limbaugh or O’Rielly? And how many lies do they have to tell, and how many deaths do they have to cause before your ilk will finally wake up.
That’s why you hate Media Matters because they keep track of exactly what your guys say and hold them to account. Dobbs allow a distortion of the facts, which is OK with you because being a republican is like being a fanatic sports fan. You back your team no matter how bad they screw up. For you it’s all about the winning, not about the truth. If you wanted the truth you could find it. We do. Find the truth seekers and follow them. Boycott the coorperate media because we don’t need them, and it’s time they were maginalized.

Jackass Liars!

Re: Return of Iraqis to Baghdad. They are returning because they are getting kicked out of Syria and Jordan. They wont feed them anymore or renew visas. I hate stenographers and liars that pretend to be journalists. Iraqis are refugees in their home city because most cant return to their old neighborhoods without being killed.

Rushsucks - Apparently that’s all anyone heard him say but he said much more. He did say that it looked like the surge had worked to give the Iraqi government a window to do their part and they had not done so. Iraq is still a clusterf**k but that “librul” media can’t seem to wrap their minds around those conflicting positions, it could cause repug heads to explode all over Merika.

Dobb’s and the republicans’ conclusions make no sense. The first guy and Dobbs begin to make the distinction between political and military success, but everyone after them seems to be banking on that the Democrats will pay the price because the American people won’t be smart enough to know the difference. You know people are being disingenuous when they start talking about political strategies in place of the issue. The Olbermann segment is much more coherent.
Why do so many people blame Democrats for this war anyway?

Dennis @ 29:

Nicole Belle @ 24:

Dennis @ 10:

Just because Lou Dobbs and CNN as a whole are not as far left as Keith Olbermann doesn’t mean CNN isn’t liberal. They’re just slightly more subtle at it.

The last two CNN debates should’ve removed all doubt as to their liberal tendencies.

Dennis, you know I like you, but this is laughable on its face. If CNN was truly “liberal” why were there NO questions on liberal issues at the debate? Why no Universal Health Care? No question on the sub-prime market crashing? All the debate had was Republican bumpersticker questions of God, gays and guns.

Moreover, I don’t WANT CNN or MSNBC to be “liberal”. I want that myth gone. I want REAL journalism. I want the full quote that Murtha gives. I want background to know if he’s right or blowing smoke out of his ass to CYA. I want to journalists to ask soldiers on the ground (like Jon Soltz was) if it was an accurate assessment.

Facts are not liberal, Dennis. Shame on you.

Nicole, you know I like you too, but you’re just wrong here. No offense.

The last debate was a Rebpublican Youtube debate. None of the questions bothered me and I’d be happy to listen to every one of the candidate’s responses to ANY question that came up, right or left. But it’s a primary debate and we are about to vote on who Republicans want to nominate to run for President- we’d like questions on issues that that Republicans care about on this one, not Democrat operatives that CNN conveniently announces they had no idea they were.

And if Keith Olbermann ever gives both sides of any story it will have been his first time.
If it’s shameful of me to believe this, then so be it, but I think Keith Olbermann is about the most biased news disseminator on television today. He seethes hatred for everything Republican- can you tell me one person on TV on the right who was ever like that during the Clinton Administration? Can you tell me one person now on the right who is as rabidly obsessed with one person on the left like he is with Bill O’Reilly?

I would liked to have heard a question on the sub-prime market situation, btw. On both the debates.

Nicole, you know I like you too, but you’re just wrong here. No offense.

The last debate was a Rebpublican Youtube debate. None of the questions bothered me and I’d be happy to listen to every one of the candidate’s responses to ANY question that came up, right or left. But it’s a primary debate and we are about to vote on who Republicans want to nominate to run for President- we’d like questions on issues that that Republicans care about on this one, not Democrat operatives that CNN conveniently announces they had no idea they were.

And if Keith Olbermann ever gives both sides of any story it will have been his first time.
If it’s shameful of me to believe this, then so be it, but I think Keith Olbermann is about the most biased news disseminator on television today. He seethes hatred for everything Republican- can you tell me one person on TV on the right who was ever like that during the Clinton Administration? Can you tell me one person now on the right who is as rabidly obsessed with one person on the left like he is with Bill O’Reilly?

I would liked to have heard a question on the sub-prime market situation, btw. On both the debates.

First off, a Republican complaining about planted questions??
Did I get that right??

Secondly,his seething hatred is for all things un-American, GOP just happens to fit that bill to a “T”. And Bill O’Liely’s OBSESSIONS are well documented. Whether it be un solicited non-consensual phone sex, Al Franken, Markos, or the much vilified George Soros.

So again, are you really serious ,our friendly neighborhood Troll?

And as for the sub-prime mortgage issue, of course you wanted to a question on that. That would be less time the RepubliNazis have to talk about he monstrous disaster that is the GOP foreign policy i.e. civil War in Iraq.

So of course you want to talk about something that everyone ,regardless of party line agrees on. Its easy. The hard thing is explaining to the american people why the blood of 3800+ soldiers isnt on the hands of every RepubliNazi in america.

Dennis @ 29:

Nicole Belle @ 24:

Dennis @ 10:

Just because Lou Dobbs and CNN as a whole are not as far left as Keith Olbermann doesn’t mean CNN isn’t liberal. They’re just slightly more subtle at it.

The last two CNN debates should’ve removed all doubt as to their liberal tendencies.

Dennis, you know I like you, but this is laughable on its face. If CNN was truly “liberal” why were there NO questions on liberal issues at the debate? Why no Universal Health Care? No question on the sub-prime market crashing? All the debate had was Republican bumpersticker questions of God, gays and guns.

Moreover, I don’t WANT CNN or MSNBC to be “liberal”. I want that myth gone. I want REAL journalism. I want the full quote that Murtha gives. I want background to know if he’s right or blowing smoke out of his ass to CYA. I want to journalists to ask soldiers on the ground (like Jon Soltz was) if it was an accurate assessment.

Facts are not liberal, Dennis. Shame on you.

Nicole, you know I like you too, but you’re just wrong here. No offense.

The last debate was a Rebpublican Youtube debate. None of the questions bothered me and I’d be happy to listen to every one of the candidate’s responses to ANY question that came up, right or left. But it’s a primary debate and we are about to vote on who Republicans want to nominate to run for President- we’d like questions on issues that that Republicans care about on this one, not Democrat operatives that CNN conveniently announces they had no idea they were.

And if Keith Olbermann ever gives both sides of any story it will have been his first time.
If it’s shameful of me to believe this, then so be it, but I think Keith Olbermann is about the most biased news disseminator on television today. He seethes hatred for everything Republican- can you tell me one person on TV on the right who was ever like that during the Clinton Administration? Can you tell me one person now on the right who is as rabidly obsessed with one person on the left like he is with Bill O’Reilly?

I would liked to have heard a question on the sub-prime market situation, btw. On both the debates.

Thats the patronizing troll position Dennis. When someone tells the truth on a story or busts the frequent half-truth bullshit pervasive in MSM, wingnuts bitch about fair and balanced. So when he says this pe