I was hoping KO would have something to say on this tonight.

President has been lying; or, despite the 9-11 “lessons learned” 9about proving the President, NSC withinformation), they’re still clueless.

This man is not fit for office; and he’s been lying to expand the illegal war from Iraq in to Iran.

This doesn’t rise to an impeachable offense? Let’s talk about a better oversight system of this government. This is out of control.

Liars, damn liars and the President of the U.S.

Duh!

These are the same idiots that said Iraq had WMD’s, yellow cake uranium, Iraq [deleted]
Who would be stupid enough to believe anything this administration says???

I bet anyways that stupid neocons are going to push to invade Iran anyways, for no reason at all.

Another possible reason why they brought Wolfowitz back: DENIAL.

These people are SOOOO deep in denial over everything they’ve screwed up, they *still* believe Iraq will become the germ of Democracy that spreads through the Middle East, and now they need Wlfie’s brilliant Iraq plan to be retooled for their attack on Iran.

(I found the tie-in to the “Iran is providing weapons to the insurgency” meme as not being brought up in a while. I was just thinking about that today.)

crooks and liars - that says it all!

and to think ,the 30%rs will not believe this…no matter who says it…

It will be a miracle if we can get this country back from the Military Industrial Complex and greed filled corporations that have taken it over. It will be fun to see. Let’s all put something into this effort.

Two things:

If Iran halted its nuclear weapons program in the fall of 2003, and 16 different member agencies of our intelligence community unanimously concur on this, doesn’t that mean that reports sayin’ this have been crossin’ Stupor Mundi’s desk fer 4 years now? Okay, I know this is what anyone with half a brain has gotta be thinkin’. But consider my second thought here.

If I’ve read between the lines correctly, the person who was charged by the CIA with gatherin’ intelligence on Iranian nukes was….wait a second…

VALERIE PLAME!

Think about this. She was outed in July of ‘03 after her husband’s public statements on the falsehoods regardin’ Iraqi nukes. But we’d already, in July of ‘03, been in Iraq fer over 3 months. What did it matter if Joe Wilson piped in at the point he did? We had troops there, Sadaam was on the run…iirc, the “Mission Accomplished” banner had been flown. Was Plame’s outing a pre-emptive strike on her because she possessed the information that Iran was in the process of shuttin’ down its program?

Chew on that.

What do you mean, no reason at all? Oils wells that ends well

“But it won’t be a REAL tyranny until I can use nukes, like Truman did.”

Daddy said I could.

I will gladly lie to you Tuesday for some Bullshit today.

What a crock…and the sad part is there are people in this country that will believe that everything changed on Tuesday. Nothing changed since the Bush Crime Family stole power, the lies about Osama, Iraq and now Iran…it’s business as usual

Just remember, Karl said the war was all the dems fault anyway. Just like this one will be too I suppose.

Andy K @ 9:

Was Plame’s outing a pre-emptive strike on her because she possessed the information that Iran was in the process of shuttin’ down its program?

More likely the rumor is true, that Brewster Jennings stopped the smuggling of nuclear material into Iraq — by Halliburton or some other part of the CIA, in order to make the PREVIOUS lie come true.

And yet the Democratic leadership still insists that impeachment is off the table. How blatant must the transgressions of this administration become before Congress decides to finally throw these scoundrels out of office and to file criminal charges against them?

Wondering @ 2:

This doesn’t rise to an impeachable offense? Let’s talk about a better oversight system of this government. This is out of control.

If you thought impeachment was a functioning oversight system, then you were wrong. It has never been that.

Andy K @ 9:

Two things:

If Iran halted its nuclear weapons program in the fall of 2003, and 16 different member agencies of our intelligence community unanimously concur on this, doesn’t that mean that reports sayin’ this have been crossin’ Stupor Mundi’s desk fer 4 years now? Okay, I know this is what anyone with half a brain has gotta be thinkin’. But consider my second thought here.

If I’ve read between the lines correctly, the person who was charged by the CIA with gatherin’ intelligence on Iranian nukes was….wait a second…

VALERIE PLAME!

Think about this. She was outed in July of ‘03 after her husband’s public statements on the falsehoods regardin’ Iraqi nukes. But we’d already, in July of ‘03, been in Iraq fer over 3 months. What did it matter if Joe Wilson piped in at the point he did? We had troops there, Sadaam was on the run…iirc, the “Mission Accomplished” banner had been flown. Was Plame’s outing a pre-emptive strike on her because she possessed the information that Iran was in the process of shuttin’ down its program?

Chew on that.

Totally agree. The target was the non-”Team Player” (Plame) they felt had to be feeding hubby via pillow talk. The target was never Joe Wilson, but his wife. She could not be relied upon by Cheney and his imps to play ball in the true target of “draining the swamp” They all new Iraq was a cipher, just a snack before the main course.

right…..they knew all along…from way before Iraq….oh and AndyK…….I lost money on the packers last week……but I’m hoping they make it….I hate the cowboys…bein a niner fan myself.Go Pack………one more thing before I go….Credibilty????gone….long ago.actually they never had any in my book.

Erroll @ 15:

And yet the Democratic leadership still insists that impeachment is off the table. How blatant must the transgressions of this administration become before Congress decides to finally throw these scoundrels out of office and to file criminal charges against them?

With not enough votes to complete your threat, you are waving your dick at the conspirators, and that’s just not going to be enough.

What is wrong with these people, so, long before Bush invoked the threat of WWIII and the Neo-cons started the drum beats of war again, they knew that this was all baseless propaganda.
This administration has done what would to most rational people seem to be the impossible, they have made Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad seem more credible then the President of the United States, supposed “leader of the free world”.

You absolutely have to ask yourself where is this all going to lead…..the conspiracy theory folks are looking more and more rational everyday, is the goal to create an International Crisis that would allow Bush to stay in office (ala Rudy’s attempt at remaining Mayor after 9/11)

www.curlydog.com/blog

It’s all Ahmadinejad’s fault! Poor widdle bush is not at fault, so stop saying that. He just got bad intelligence, that’s all. It’s not poor widdle bush’s fault.

Gawd almighty. We still have more than a year to go with this buffoon at the helm, with the 29 percenters who are still asleep and can’t smell the coffee.

Gee may-be the anthrax case and Tillman cases have been fully resolved and nobody thought to forward the reports to the pres.Inquiring minds would like to know how are those investigations going.

Curlydog @ 20:

the goal to create an International Crisis that would allow Bush to stay in office (ala Rudy’s attempt at remaining Mayor after 9/11)

That’s not going to work (and it didn’t work for Giulianicus). You will note that Bush’s ratings are a broken gauge. By this time next year, there will be a new president elect.

Dubya has never let things like facts and the truth stop him.

Is it Eh-Rahn or I-Ran?
Jesus.
In 1910 we all knew how to pronounce Jer-Man-Ee.

Meanwhile a retard administration dupes America.

Nobody in the administration could ever have imagined that the Iranians would be reasonable and stop working on nuclear weapons…

err…

David Shuster is an excellent host. He is no Keith but really good none the less.

Isn’t this what Sy Hersh has been saying for a year and a half? He has friends in very high places. We all should pay more attention to his writings.
http://www.newyorker.com/archi.....710fa_fact

If the Democratic congress led by “Hopalong” Reid and “Rhoada” Pelosi don’t create a shitstorm about this, there has to be a riot at the next Democratic debate . Code Pink meets Chicago 7 . There’s no mystery about the Republicans. It’s the Dems that have to be exposed as being in collusion with this crap.

but that means lil george won’t be able to play war again. damn. How is he going to entertain himself? Why; there won’t be any deaths to give him a hard on…..damn….

American foreign policy is bipartisan and it transcends presidents and parties. A fraternity of senior movers and shakers rules by nods of the head, knowing glances and alumni club dinners. Before Nixon was brought up on impeachment charges, for those of us who paid attention, there was a hiatus. Agnew was removed on hoary old charges that everyone thought were forgotten. Remove Agnew first, then dump Nixon. It was a corporate decision. There was an order to things. The overthrow of the Shah was the greatest disaster to happen in our meddling in foreign governments. It’s old business the fraternity has brooded about for some time but hasn’t forgotten. First Iraq, then Iran, there’s an order to things.

iraqconcilable @ 29 “Rhoada” Pelosi”

Hard to see what that namecalling gets you.

As for a CodePink riot because you need Chicago to happen again?

I know CodePink, and they are not rioters, and this is not the Sixties.

How the mighty have fallen– Bush didn’t even lead with the famous “they can has nukular weapons!!1!” argument of 2002. He skipped straight down to the “they may have the urge to someday consider exploring the notion of getting the knowledge to create nukular weapons” argument that we all saw years after the invasion of Iraq.

But why release this now? For a gang that howls defiance to congressional supoenas and goes to the Supreme Court to provide cover for Cheney and his energy policy cabal, what caused them to release this at this time. It seems embarassing to them and they have proven themselves iron-willed on far less weighty issues than this. Kevin Drum speculates that someone in the club threatened to rat them out, but who knows?

Paul in LA @ 14:

Andy K @ 9:

Was Plame’s outing a pre-emptive strike on her because she possessed the information that Iran was in the process of shuttin’ down its program?

More likely the rumor is true, that Brewster Jennings stopped the smuggling of nuclear material into Iraq — by Halliburton or some other part of the CIA, in order to make the PREVIOUS lie come true.

If Brewster Jennings had stopped a US player from gettin’ yellowcake or componets in, why would Plame then tap her husband to go to Niger. Sure, the administration, if what yer sayin’ is right, would’ve welcomed the chance to send Wilson- they could then investigate if Plame was sharin’ top secret info with Wilson. But then they could have gotten her outta the way above the table. Don’tcha think she’d steer her family away from a head-on collision with Bushco, especially when Bushco woulda known who just busted up their frame-up of Iraq?

Once again, readin’ between the lines- ’cause Plame’s not at liberty to tell all, ya know- her expertise was Iran. But she knew nukes. And Joe, who worked the embassy in Iraq and was the Ambassador to two nations in the neighborhood of Niger. Hell, his first work in the diplomatic corps was as a general services officer in Niger. Joe Wilson worked on settin’ our Africa policy fer Clinton’s NSC. He knew Niger and its neighbors who produce uranium. He had to have knowledge of how the nuclear proliferation game works. So if Plame didn’t know Iraq so well, her husband did, and he knew Niger, too. And nukes. He was the right person fer the job with which the Agency tasked him.

SteveinSC @ 31 “American foreign policy is bipartisan and it transcends presidents and parties.”

That is flatly ridiculous. There are foreign policy agents for a corporate war conspiracy, but if you examine the major players, you see the same ones over and over.

Compare to the Democrats. NOTHING like that kind of disaster capitalism.

“Before Nixon was brought up on impeachment charges, for those of us who paid attention, there was a hiatus. Agnew was removed on hoary old charges that everyone thought were forgotten. Remove Agnew first, then dump Nixon. It was a corporate decision.”

That’s non-factual. Agnew appealed twice, and eventually failed.

Nixon resigned four days after the smoking gun tape came out.

The hiring of his pal Ford as VP was NIXON’s backdoor, and he served as agreed.

“The overthrow of the Shah was the greatest disaster to happen in our meddling in foreign governments.”

The overthrow of the MOSADEGH was primarily a BRITISH action.

(The US had nothing to do with the overthrow of the Shah. We helped reinstall him after Mosadegh’s nationalization of Iranian oil threatened to destroy the British economy).

Andy K @ 35 “If Brewster Jennings had stopped a US player from gettin’ yellowcake or componets in, why would Plame then tap her husband to go to Niger.”

It has been roundly proven that she DID NOT ‘tap her husband,’ who was the former ambassador to Niger, and Iraq, and therefore the obvious person for the CIA to send.

There are lots of morsels to chew on in here tonight. My hopes are that someone with some kind of authority, or special congressional powers, is already thinking the same thing and trying to put the dots together so that they can see the light of day. (Waxman? Fitzgerald? Someone who has a pair and ain’t afraid of putting them on the table.)

I have to say, it is amazing when someone speaks something that sounds right, and this little light goes on in your head that says…”Yeah…we’re close to the truth.” I live in an area where there are quite a few conservatives, and it makes me feel sane to come here and see people doing research and using their brains. Thanks to all.

OH MY GODDD!!!!!!! LEAVE BUSH ALONE!!!!!!!!!!! CANT YOU SEE WHAT YOURE DOING TO HIM?? OH MY GODDDDDDD!!!!!!!! BWAAAAHHHH!!! LEAVE BUSH ALONE!!!!!

Paul in LA @ 37:

Andy K @ 35 “If Brewster Jennings had stopped a US player from gettin’ yellowcake or componets in, why would Plame then tap her husband to go to Niger.”

It has been roundly proven that she DID NOT ‘tap her husband,’ who was the former ambassador to Niger, and Iraq, and therefore the obvious person for the CIA to send.

Yer correct. She, by her own admission, suggested him. Sorry, it’s gettin’ late and I’m startin’ to lose it.

Andy K @ 35 “Joe Wilson worked on settin’ our Africa policy fer Clinton’s NSC. He knew Niger and its neighbors who produce uranium. He had to have knowledge of how the nuclear proliferation game works.”

Niger has fixed contracts with FRANCE, which has a very active nuclear power industry (compared to the US). Niger uranium was certainly NOT being sold to Hussein — this was clear to the former ambassador.

He went, he drank tea and talked to his informants, and he came back and tried to save his country by writing about it for the NYT (which, in the war between the CIA factions, was given sufficient CIA clearance to publish it).

Andy K @ 40 “She, by her own admission, suggested him.”

Suggesting him, –rather obvious given his well-known service–, and choosing him are two different functions.

Rachel Maddow is one of my favorite people in the whole universe.

SteveinSC @ 34 “But why release this now?”

‘Tis the holiday season, Steve. They think it’s a month of Fridays, and they are basically correct. Few are paying attention.

Paul in LA @ 41:

Andy K @ 35 “Joe Wilson worked on settin’ our Africa policy fer Clinton’s NSC. He knew Niger and its neighbors who produce uranium. He had to have knowledge of how the nuclear proliferation game works.”

Niger has fixed contracts with FRANCE, which has a very active nuclear power industry (compared to the US). Niger uranium was certainly NOT being sold to Hussein — this was clear to the former ambassador.

He went, he drank tea and talked to his informants, and he came back and tried to save his country by writing about it for the NYT (which, in the war between the CIA factions, was given sufficient CIA clearance to publish it).

I’m pretty sure we’re in agreement here, Paul. Wilson seems to be very knowledgeable about what’s goin’ on in west Africa is what I’m sayin’. And I don’t think there’s a real big secret about from where France gets ita fissible material.

The thing I can’t get over with the Wilson/Plame issue is, it is well known that the CIA has used Ambassadors to do work for them for decades. It is also well known that there are many “families” in the agency.

Is it possible that Plame was sacrificed for the sake of someone who had a deeper cover, or had more knowledge, being Wilson? I don’t know, and don’t really know what to think. This is just something that’s been kicking around my brain for some time, and I wanted to see what anyone else thought. Maybe the Bush cabal thought that in outing Plame, they would get in less trouble and be able to cover that a CIA officer had outed their nefarious plans, vis a vis Yellowcake into Niger. Is this a reasonable or feasible possibility?

Where Is The Outrage

This is the same network that has been at the forefront of making the case for attacking Iran. I recall, night after night, Pat Bucannon and Joe Scarborough making all sorts of connections to the build up of Iran’s nuclear capabilities. The point here is it was given special spin consideration in sensational themes.

Today, with this video, I see