Bush Doesn't Recall if He Mentioned Saudi Rape Case to King Abdullah
By Bill W. Monday Dec 03, 2007 3:01pm
At his presser today President Bush was asked by CNN's Ed Henry whether he had mentioned the Saudi rape case at all during conversations with King Abdullah in the past few weeks.
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Bush begins his answer with a supposedly heartfelt 'what if it was my daughter' explanation but then when pressed further says that he doesn't remember whether he ever brought the subject up or not but insists the Saudi King “knows our position loud and clear.”
Henry: On another issue of credibility in the Mid East -- At the Annapolis Summit you used your influence to get Saudi Arabia to the table but I wonder whether now you will use you influence to do something about the Saudi rape case that has gotten so much international attention? What goes through your mind when you hear about a 19 year old Saudi woman getting gang raped by seven men and basically a Saudi court blames the victim and sentences her to 200 lashes? You spoke to King Abdullah by telephone in the last couple of weeks. Did you press him on this case? If so what did you say and if not, are you giving him a pass?"
Bush: My first thoughts were these. What happens if this happened to my daughter? How would I react? And I would have been -- I would have been very emotional, of course. I’d have been angry at those who committed the crime, and I would be angry at the state that didn’t support the victim, and our opinions were expressed by Dana Perino from the podium.
Henry: Did you press King Abdullah about it personally?
Bush: I talked to King Abdullah about the Middle eastern peace. I don't remember if that subject came up.
Henry: If it was that important to you why wouldn't you at that level bring it directly up to King Abdullah?
Bush: There's plenty of time. He knows our position loud and clear.
Even after considering 'what if' the victim was his own daughter, apparently Bush decided it really wasn't important enough to even bring up after all.
I DO recall that I did not vote for this joker....twice.
This was classic, I was hoping you'd post it. Talk about a moment (or two or three) of zen before he could spurt out a response!
Loss of memory is sure evidence of a misspent youth.
And I should know.
see there was this king and he was talking to another king from another country, a dumb one, you know... the king said to the king, I always tell my wives and ministers and the flotsam, you know, that I forget too. That way they don't bother me with what goes on either. If you have people that don't shut up, cut out a tongue or two thousand and they won't ask silly questions any more.
It was a giant mistake to put himself into the story by saying that he wondered what he would do if it were one of his daughters. Once he included his won sentiment, he gave the story more weight than he was willing to donate to it. By then saying the he doesn't think he talked to the Saudis about it, it made him look like if it were one of his daughters he wouldn't do much of anything. Bad move on his part and it made him look artificial and cold hearted.
Bush Doesn’t Recall if He Mentioned Saudi Rape Case to King Abdullah
He must've caught something from Gonzo.
This administration has got to go. How can they run a country without anyone who has a memory?
It's hard to mention rape when you've got a mouthful of Saudi c*ck
Recall!
Attention dumbass Republicans! Any of you left that believe this arrogant, lazy, pathological liar? He's the commander in chief and didn't get the intel until last week? The worst lie in U.S. presidential history!
FYI if anyone wants to listen to the NPR radio dem. debate, you can listen on their website.
I think bush would remember if he had a conversation with the king about this. The king probably said this is my country and our rules, if you don't like that george, fu*k off. And bush probably said, Hee Hee, okay.
If there were an award for Best "I don't remember" by a Bushie Loyalist it would be impossible to choose - Gonzo..Doan..Cookie..Taylor..Schloz..etc..or Bush himself.
Maybe he doesn't remember because the King was passing the hookah around.
The Bush Presidency: A cancer on Democracy.
"He knows our position, loud and clear." Yeah, bushie, we are bent over, grabbing our ankles.
Left&Left @ 10:
Even worse he said the CIA told him much earlier that they had some new info on Iran but they wanted to check it out. Don't you think at that moment most intelligent people in the oval office would have said, What is it? What have you got?
I could rant. I could pontificate. I could wail. But instead I am going with two points:
1) George, you are NOT my president.
2) You are a retard.
pissed off patricia @ 5:
"If Jenna or not-Jenna were raped and then sentenced to 200 lashes, I might or might not say anything to anybody about it. They know my position loud and clear without me having to say anything. They read my brain. They can do that you know."
I watched 14 minutes of this conference on msnbc. They seemed to cut the tape while the grilling was getting good. Bush is slow, very inept sounding, as usual. he was fillibustering with long answers to keep from taking too many questions. He was asked point blank if he really only found out about this Tuesday. He lied and said yes. The only way this could be true is if the President is insulated from National Intelligence intelligence.
This was a horrible press conference. He attempted to reverse everything, that this enhances our credabilty as a nation, that this means we need to try even harder to prevent I ran from developing Nukes in their program that doesn't exist.
So, how does one take away another one's knowledge of how to build a nuclear weapon? According to Bush, if you can't trust them, you have to kill them.
This morning bush also said that if Iran had a nuke it would be a threat to peace.
What the hell peace was he talking about? He, himself started the first major war the US has been in in many years. There has been no peace for our country since he's been in office.
Why won't just one of those 'reporters' call him an idiot?
Rusty Shackleford @ 16:
What all of that leaves you wondering is, what would he do if it were one of his daughters and would he remember what he did? Sounds like a great dad, huh?
"I don't remember..." = I DIDN'T MENTION IT cuz ya caynt upset mah frends the Sawdi Ayrabs cuz the hayav da awl
Bush is an Asshole. Is aiding and committing Treasonous behavior in our Country. And Should be Impeached or brought up on War Crimes and prosecuted for Treason. Too bad our citizenry isn't that committed to defending itself.
Bush doesn't want to ask his "Friends" embarrassing questions. He would rather make a complete fool of himself in front of the entire world yet again.
The world is continually laughing at the gross mispronunciations and gaffs that Bush make constantly. It is especially troubling to hear the person in charge of the largest Nuclear Arsenal in the world continue to pronounce it Nucyulur while stammering all over his speech with plenty of uh's and er's and other clues that he is a complete dolt.
I am touched deeply by the heartfelt concern and stoic determination shown by our leader. That said, who do we get to bomb next!?.......................
And the position is: "We like rape."
duh er ah if er ah if it wuz mi daughter er ah duh...? chuckle chuckle..
if you watched this, just seconds after he dismissed the reporter with the real question he called on a wall st journal
reporterpuppet who chortled as he asked if now 'we could move on to questions about economics and policy', giggle giggle go all the other phony reporters in the room.helen thomas should get hazardous duty pay for sharing the same air with such scum.
Helen Thomas. "Actually I don't have a question today. I'd like to make a statement. George Bush you are an idiot." lol :) Rounds of applause erupt? Or deafening silence?
I don't know if it's a failing memory, or if he's just plain stupid (bless his heart).
But can you imagine ...
"Did you discuss the fact that the 19 hijackers were all Saudi nationals?"
"Um ... uh ... well, you know, if my daughter had been on one of those planes, I ... we ... uh ... we're committed to fighting terrorism. Our strategy is working in Iraq. Uh ..."
"But did you speak with King Abdullah about the hijackers being from his country?"
"I don't remember. But he knows our position loud and clear."
So much of what he said today just sort of flopped like a lead balloon. His answers were so out there that the press was having trouble trying to follow up on his answers. Basically we heard that even after the new info on Iran, his position has not changed one bit. That is frightening.
Equally as outrageious(if you can believe that lying sack of shit), is his remarks about
seeing report from the Nat. Security Advisory Council wherein they have reported that
Iran has not, since 2003 been involved in developing nuclear energy for purposes of
building a bomb. The lying SOB is trying to once again put over on the American public
a "story" that he, just like you and me, had not seen the Advisory Council's report
until it came out YESTERDAY. That lying bag of shit knows that the report has been
"out" for at least a month or longer(not to the general public), but HE has undoubtedly
seen it(probably not read tho, since he is unable to read) and he wants us to believe
he was unaware of it's contents until NOW. No, in reality, he had hoped the report
would not be made public and then he and his asshole buddies could continue the
lies about Iran and continue to move forward with a possible invasion of that country.
It is way, way past time for bush to be IMPEACHED.
The only sex George Bush has on his mind is that which he had with Jeff Gannon.
ysbaddaden @ 3:
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no, this was another example of bush stuttering and stammering when trying to show compassion.
notice at other times in the presser - times when he's spouting about nukular weapons of mass destruction in iran - he's clear as a bell.
pissed off patricia @ 20:
I actually think he would do something. He'd get drunk off his ass and declare war on the rapist. Like he did with that guy who tried to kill his daddy.
Jenny'O @ 26:
And that reporter was sitting next to Dana Perino ...
el kabong @ 8:
Eeewwww.
But so true.
The Saudis funded Al Queda and flew the planes into the WTC. What's a gang rape and 200 lashes for the victim in the grand scheme of things?
pissed off patricia @ 29:
Steve Colbert said it to Bush's face at the press corps dinner several years ago.
"No matter what this man hears on Tuesday, he'll still believe the same thing he did on Monday."
That is our president's thought process. When they handed the report to him he said, "Not now, Dick's mind is made up."
Yes, I'm sure King Abdullah does know our position loud and clear - on our knees, necks craning, lips puckering, etc., etc.
How long before folks figure out that this President if a flat-out traitor to his country:
www.asecondlookatthesaudis.com
These despicable excuses of human beings do give a rat's ass about us 'common' people...
they never have and never will. Asking Bush about the human rights abuses carried out
by his family's long time friends is a waste of time...he could care less!
I don't know about the rape cases, but I think Ed Henry has it backwards when it comes to the meeting in Annapolis. It was more like Saudi Arabia giving support to a meeting where the three most prominent figures involved (I.E. Abbas, Olmert, and Bush) are pretty much despised by their own populations and have very little credibility left. Plus, Saudi Arabia had to shore up Bush for another reason. The U.S. military is seen at this point, and its all due to the Bush Administration's actions, incompetent and inept in the Muslim world.
Everyone is missing the obvious point. Bush is condoning this treatment - as long as its not his family. So fast you all forget about Abu Ghraib. If it were up to Bush & Co., rape, torture and murder would be legalized in the U.S. right now. Give them a little more time.
Speaking of Bush and his daughters, whatever happened to that gigolo that Jenna picked up in Argentina? Wasn't she going to marry him or something? Is he in Gitmo now or what?
Jenny'O @ 32:
It's not a lack of compassion or an inability to show compassion/empathy. He can spout lines about Iran and nukular weapons because those have been cut into tiny, bite-sized pieces for his tiny, bite-sized brain.
Anything where he's actually having to think unassisted, he's damn near incapacitated. Compare his Katrina briefing with today's newser, and you see the same um ... ah ... uh ... and halting speech.
That's when the jokes come out, the shucky-darns and head bobbles. Always worked at frat parties, works fine now - nobody cares if you ain't smart, you're funny.
It's outright lies from Bush these days and the NIE report obviously caught him off guard. To hold a press conference where new revelations have just come out and try to not to answer questions is just stupidity. But this is just more rhetoric from Bush. His policy of a war with Iran is foundering along with the exposure of AIPAC and it's zionist connections is the main reason the old retread Wolfowitz is coming back.
It's hard work rememberin stuff.
At 1:15 in does he almost say "pulpit" and then corrects himself with "podium?"
The standard conservative line on any Democratic front runners almost inevitably goes to their lack of genuiness, of how "phony" they all are. Bush on the other hand, whatever else you might think of him, is a real guy who knows himself. How anyone can watch --his laughter at the beginning of his answer, melting into a sudden and studied gravitas as he related how he thought "what if it was my daughter," and finishing by saying that he can't remember if he discussed the subject at all -- and not come away thinking that this is a deeply shallow and dishonest individual? He can't remember if he said anything, but you can be damn sure that the Saudis know his position loud and clear.
Bush sure is
lyingforgetting about alot of things lately, like the Iran NIE and the Saudi rape travesty.Commander Bunnypants couldn't care less about a Saudi woman getting gang-raped -- and then getting 200 lashes for punishment. Nothing is more crucial and precious and important than oil, you see.
Seriously, can people still listen to this person and not feel ill?
links @ 45:
If he does, he was probably thinking 'bully pulpit,' which he thought was funny until someone explained the context.
Did he start to say ", Dana Parino from the PULPIT"?
links @ 45:
Glad and happy to say that I cannot confirm because I have, for the past year plus,
refused to watch one second of that asshole speak on any occassion; knowing full
well that any words spewed from his lips are lies and distortions. He needs help
immediately, for this brainless bag of shit is mentally unbalanced.
Bush: "If it had been my daughter being raped, I'd have invaded Iran and caught the SOB."
Again, with the "I don't recall" business???? The Republicans really need to take a look at changing their logo from the Elephant to maybe the Dodo bird... because that's what they think the American People are...dodos.
what are we (americans) doing? We need to shaut Bush Inc. out of the media completly.
He will not tell the truth about ANYTHING and does not deserave any platform to spew his
Disinformation and out right Fanistys.
'specially hard work rememberin stuff when it's stuff you didn't do.
Dave @ 40:
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Dave, during an interview with bush the first --back while he was still pres.-- he was asked what would he do if one of his teenaged granddaughters got pregnant and for various personal reasons could not handle having a baby at that point in her life--what would he tell her? his reply was -- well first a lot of the typical bush um and ers -- that he would have to leave such a personal decision to her.
sounds like freedom of choice and protecting rape victims apply directly and only to your own circle. everyone else out of the circle -- eh? eff em.
Spinning this a little aren't we? The woman was punished for adultary, not for the rape. She was in the process of committing adultary when the attacked happened.
I like the way you leave out some of the facts when it suits you.
pissed off patricia @ 5:
Look artificial and cold hearted??
He is artificial and cold hearted.
links @ 45:
I'm so glad you mentioned that. I thought that was what he said when he was talking about Perino. I just wasn't sure. Sometimes when he himself is at the podium I think he forgets it's not a pulpit. His closing statements today were much like a preacher
Cocaine is one hell of a drug.
pissed off patricia @ 5:
He is artificial and cold hearted. A failed human being as well as the worst president in US history. I can't believe we're stuck with him for another year. I hope to God he's brought to the Hague on war crimes.
Anyone notice the complete lack of response from the usual right wing trolls on this thread? Was this another situation where they find themselves no way out in defending their dear leader? Hmmm....
wvit @ 58:
And where exactly are your own facts coming from?
I don't remember, It wasn't me, I wasn't there, must have been someone else.
Remember when Jenna had to have her appendix removed?
It was Christmas time.
Bushie did not cancel his fishing vacation... laughingly the Bush Crime Family press relations said that it was likely Jenna would still join the family there for their fishing vacation.
She did not...
Now, I don't know about the rest of you, but if my daughter was in the hospital for surgery over Christmas, I would cancel my travel plans to spend more time with her... but that's not the Bush way.
Remember when George's baby sister Robin died?
At age three?
From leukemia?
Well, there was no funeral - and Babs went golfing right afterwards.
To say that the Bush Crime Family does not share the values of the rest of America is the greatest understatement you could make.
One stands on a podium. Or walks up to a podium.
One speaks from behind a lectern or a pulpit.
"Podium" for "lectern" is one of the most common mistakes in the English language. I see and hear it all the time, and it's very annoying.
Just think of the root prefix: "pod," as in "podiatry," as in "feet." Feet stand on a podium.
OK, that's today's usage lesson ...
pissed off patricia @ 5:
He doesn't "look" artificial and cold hearted-he is. And also a sick, twisted, psychopath who enjoys killing and the suffering of other living beings.
wvit @ 58:
Yes, SHE is accused of adultry, but the seven(7) men who attack her are charged
with RAPE, tho their ultimate punishment has yet to be determined.
Dale @ 19:
I'm sure that's what all the non 28%ers in the room were thinking..."God what a dumb fcuk".
How that guy NOT be publicly labeled an out and out moron after hearing him speak like that is an astounding testament to how far the standards world class leadership have fallen.
wvit @ 58:
Your buddy Bush is spinnin right along with everyone else. So, when he says, I can imagine if that happened to my daughter, he really means, I can imagine if my daughter committed adultery.
So wvit, is gang rape excusable as a crime of passion in the event of adultery?
D.G. Bowman @ 67:
Will this be on the test? ;)
Are you the unlucky troll on this particular thread, wvit (No. 58)?
am I the only one that thinks an individual rape case in another country has very little place in the discussions between heads of state? systematic human rights violations, yes, but not one individual case. yes it is awful, but there are thousands more stories just like it that we don't read about. reminds me of terry shiavo - let those concerned deal with it. the president has more important things to talk about (most of which he probably doesn-t) and you guys have more important issues to hold against him than this.
TimV @ 63:
I've noticed that. I think the right wing trolls are still spinning the latest NIE report and haven't had time to focus on this one yet. With this administration, if your a troll that supports them, you always have your hands full thats for sure.
Jakeonfire, I think this is more about how he handled the question from the reporter than about what he actually did or did not do. See that's why I said he should have never placed himself within the situation by saying what he thought about and his own daughter etc. He could have just said the king and I have not discussed this and moved on but instead he waded into the story and got stuck there.
agreed
jakeonfire @ 74:
So human rights is ONLY important within our country???? Get real.
Frango Regna.
You damn liberals, what's wrong with you?
This is just another example of you misunderestimating our fine president. As usual, you are completely projecting yourself on him, and not listening to his words. Take him literally, he is a very literal person.
A woman was gangraped, a couple of the men got off the hook, and the victim might pay for it. Bush's first thoughts? Of himself. Not of the victim -- he doesn't give damn about some brown person.
You see, if it was his daughter, he'd be angry. The reason he DOESN'T care nor remember about this is because it ISN'T his daughter. He's got his. You poor and/or brown non-Republican pissants can die however you want. How is it some people still don't get his thoughts on these things?
i didn't say that, but feel free to argue against me as if i had
The conversation with king might have gone this way.
geo- Hey king I don't like what is going on with the woman who was raped.
King- As long as you have Gitmo up and running and as long as you are waterboading human beings, don't talk to me about human rights.
wvit @ 58:
Damn it wvit... you just had to nullify my comment so soon about the lack of trolls.
Actually, the charge was not adultry but being alone with a male who was not her father, brother or husband. And YES she was charged each time for each of the 7 men who gang raped her, so THAT'S the straight facts.
wvit @ 58:
What "facts" were omitted would make this situation any more acceptable?
The woman was undressed in a car with her lover committing adultery when both of them were attacked by the men who were convicted of rape.
She was punished by the lash.
The rapists were sentenced to 2 to 9 years in jail.
I'm not going one way or another. I just thought you should get the facts straight before you go off on a rant.
http://www.religionnewsblog.com/19901/islamic-extremism-18
pissed off patricia @ 82:
touche'
jakeonfire @ 81:
Sorry, I re-read your comments and you are correct..
wvit @ 58:
You are a twisted, sick individual.
I remember the 'W stands for women' crap he spouted while trying to get elected.
Well, I figured out that was bull a long time ago, but if I ever needed a reinforcement of that idea, here it is.
You are NOT my President.
I did not vote for you.
Actually, too young to vote, but the point remains.
Both my parents voted for Kerry and Gore. Makes me feel a bit better.
because he didn't. period