awe, looks like someone’s getting coal in their stocking this year!

Actually, it could be. The CIA isn’t going to forget what Bush did to Valerie Plame for a long, long time.

Why on earth would norm and his band of neoconartists want a few facts to get in the way of their strident dogma?

Norman PUTZhoretz, shut the f*ck up, you wrongheaded, myopic old toad.

Isn’t that precious? Now the NIE is some kind of dastardly liberal plot?

Since when is refusing to lie for Bush considered subversion?

Look out for those anti-sedition laws, seems if these guys have their way we’ll be seeing them again.

he’ll be the FIRST one to gitmo after all this is over.

submit these war criminals to the HAGUE!!!

I have always believed the president was unstable. At this point I believe anyone who supports him needs counseling.

Reichwingers are projecting again. The CIA only wants to present evidence, but not made to order.

Another reichwinger projecting:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-emQAsGMeQ

Well Norm, if that’s the case, I would say they did a heck of a job.

Oh please, give me a break. Is this is the best bullshit he could come up with?

This just tells you how bad the neo cons feel this will hurt bush. If they are willing to go to such insane lengths, that sends up a flare that they feel they and bush are in deep shit now.

Well, that’s the same exact thing they said about the liberal CIA undermining their beautiful, clear, justified, WMD-based case for war against Iraq, and it’s the same thing they said in the 1970s about the Soviet military threat being much, much, much bigger — so Rumsfeld et al formed the “Team B” fraudsters to spook that threat.

It’s the same crap Reagan made up against Nicaraguan Sandinistas gettin’ ready to roll up through Mexico and invade Texas, and how they wuz gonna bomb us to the stone age when we wouldn’t let them buy French Mirage fighters so of course they bought Soviet Mig’s.

What else is new?

after a life time of slobbering on bushes prick , this old fruit will die and they will find the first dime the clocksucker ever stoled stached in his moss insconched naval, siegh hiel

I wish that the CIA would get off their asses and actually do something about Podhertz and his merry band of unAmerican treasonous weasels.
Rendition this asshole to whatever country.

According to the NYT, Tel Aviv is also disputing the NIE report. Can it be more obvious…

Incredible, when the CIA will roll over on the 17 Cheney visits, the CIA gets blamed.

Now that the CIA is relaying the same information — that there isn’t an WMD threat, but this time for Iran — but the President and others do not like that, they blame the CIA.

See the pattern? Reckless leadership looking for excuses to wage war; and when they don’t like the message, results, or consequences, they look for someone else to blame.

read his book WWIV where he says that the leftwing media conspired to lose the Iraq war. Its filled with islamofascist rumblings and Bush love. I want them to go into Iran because this would produce a new american revolution

The ridiculous Alzheimer’s victim, the Pod Sr., is actually part of Rudy Giuliani’s “think tank.”
The Chimp has done the public a good service by reducing the GOP level of discourse to a bunch of gibbering idiots.

o.k these neocons are traitors. Only reason they live in u.s. because u.s. military power help protect israel. they would have no problem ditching u.s. if foreign policy changes.

I wonder how the CIA will react to these accusasion?

That’s what I don’t get about people helping these guys. Clinton gave them roving wiretaps, NAFTA, the digital b’cast spectrum, no ban on land mines, billions for the Colombian “drug war”, he caved on healthcare, he even slobbered all over Nixon, and they still tried to run him out of town. The NYT blows its credibility by acting as a steno service for the White House, and Ann Coulter says they should all be killed. The Pentagon helps Bush get us into this stupid war, and now they can’t get anyone to enlist. The CIA helps Bush, and he singlehandedly destroys at least one and maybe two, vital intelligence operations (if you count the way he blew the cover on the London bombers). And now this demented old coot is accusing them of being traitors.

When are people going to realize, there’s no point in helping these jerks? It’s like giving someone a stick to beat you over the head with.

Norman Podhoretz

My Negro problem
http://www.lukeford.net/Images/photos/out.pdf

Here is a video of him getting confronted.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related

The first shot. Anti-American (read Anti-Bush) traitors in the bowels of government.

We’ve seen the movie before folks. These are the coming attractions. They can’t bomb Iran..O…K…the U.S. is being subverted…time for the coup.

Martial Law in 2008. I warned you.

Merry Christmas.

May as well have Marion “Pat” Robertson advising the preznit. Same shit-for-brains.

Son of a bitch. I can’t even-spt. phhhhffffft argh! !!!!! !!!bdfhfjhgjg

:mad:

This is too comical! There’s no way in hell that the Shrub is going to spin or lie his way out of this one! He’s been caught red handed this time. The facts are pouring in and he’s known about it for at least 6 months during which time he and Darth have been lying to the people (we can document these lies now). I think it will be called treason if my definition of treason is accurate. His heyday is over! Both Bush and Cheney will be impeached over this. No one’s going to martyr themselves this time since Bush and Cheney are old goats and have become totally irrelevant to the landscape of this country.

As far as Pukehoretz tryinng his damnest to spin this as a plot, all I can say is that it’s time he ups his alzheimer’s meds! This guy’s a certified nutjob and he’s doing even more damage to Bush than Bush has already done to himself.

IMPEACHMENT TIME IS NOW!

He’s just mad, because this will make it harder for him to get his war on. So of course it is a CIA plot. Now who is a conspiracy theorist?

Nothing could be more inhuman and Anti-American than being upset because you can’t justify bombing a country.

Bush looked like hammered $hit today and one of the reporters told him so (in so many words). He’s coming apart at the seams right before our very eyes. He knows his goose is cooked now that the facts are tumbling out. First come the impeachment trails; then come the Hague Trials for Bush and Cheney.

Cheney will find his out with his faux heart problems; I hear Bush is back on the sauce and even suffered a seizure following one of his drunken binges so he’s about to claim a medical out as well. On the mental front, they’re both psychiatrically compromised individuals - sociopaths which has become synonymous with neocon/fascist.

WOW! Things are really getting weirder and weirder. The big liars are trying to call everybody else a liar. Our government needs an overhaul. Can we start at the top right now before the earth starts rotating backwards?

Hahahahahhahaa Sy Hersch is on CNN right now saying Cheney’s been holding this report for a FREAKING year.

Ambivalent feelings for americans today: Elation because we don’t have to fear Iran at least for now; Disgust to finally realize that the only enemy we have to worry about is our own homegrown “enemy within”. Time to impeach these sorry excuses for leaders out on their ears!

Yeah, like those prior intelligence reports were so “biased” (talk about paranoia) toward the White House (usually on account of Bush regime interference). How can such a powerful nation, be so paranoid? As an ex-pat Brit in the US, it’s one thing that has always astonished me. The paranoia that these neo-con psychos can claim while at the same time claiming to be the most powerful country in the world. All we have is enemies…even though we’re super-powerful, supposedly we’re at great risk, from enemies, internal and external. These Bushes want a self-fulfilling prophecy; while we supposedly are threatened, the more the Bushes continue to stir the waters, we head more probably toward confrontation with increasingly extremist regimes.

I thought conspiracy theorists were supposed to be too kooky for prime time tv. That doesn’t apply to wealthy conspiracy theorists with fascist tendencies, apparently.

Mr. Blade

The Pod’s “My Negro Problem” is a gem and the silly old fart wrote it more than twenty years ago. What a complete turd.

Dr. @ 27:

Nothing could be more inhuman and Anti-American than being upset because you can’t justify bombing a country.

Oops….that was me. :)

The white house is coming unglued: Hadley yesterday said that Bush just got the report a “couple of days ago” and we’re going to hold Hadley to what he presented to the public on this and impeach him if found to be lying. Then Bush implied today that he only got it this week (one more lie to add to the impeachable offenses) - then some GOP talking head said that Bush had the report six months ago and now Sy Hersh rather convincingly states that Cheney had the report a year ago and blocked it. So what is it? Either way, their actions are treasonous and the time frame really matters little except as prima facie evidence to track the lies by date and time stamping when they were aired to the public. I’d say the evidence is now irrefutible and these two thugs within are about to be deposed.

In light of this news, I wonder how many CIA agents will be outed by herr dubyah and his goons?

Hardball tonight is a must see. I’ve only seen the first half so far and it’s amazing. Chris is hot about the NIE report and what bush said today. Andrea Mitchell and Bidden were on and they were as amazed as we all are that bush spoke so bizarre today.

actually this is not an unbelievable statement rom a neocon. tell me when was the last time a neocon allowed factual truth to enter their side of the debate. i can not think of one, not even close to one time when ” i have reviewed the information and have found our theory to be inaccurate”, so why would they change course or opinion now. and i would hope that the more they continue to follow this path, mor eand more of out thinking population will see that these people should never again be trusted with power in america.

I love it when the right wingers play the victim. It’s so laughable and ridiculous.

I equate this NIE report to a swift kick in the balls and the Neocons are feeling it big time. Notice also that no foreign intelligence agency has come out thus far claiming that the NIE is false either. Every intelligence agency around the globe took the blame just like the CIA for the Neocons cherry picked Iraq intelligence which proved to be false. The Neocons do not have a leg to stand on and they know it.

Put aside the issue of the “plot”. For a target to be “legitimate” military target, that target has to be related to an imminent threat. Yet, we’ve known — or should have known — since 2003 that the Iranians had not nuclear weapons program.

Supposedly, since 2003, “everyone knew” there was no evidence of an Iranian nuclear weapons program.Without a target, the only reasonable conclusion: The President, VP, and DoD targeting personnel/commanders were planning to attack targets that were not related to any military threat.

Lack of Imminence: Geneva Implications

It’s a war crime to attack a non-imminent threat. Yet, since 2003 the US has openly admitted it was targeting locations inside Iran. Today’s revelations raise the stunning implication: That the US, in vioalation of Geneva, was planning to attack targets it knew, or should have known, were not related to any military threat, or an imminent threat.

1. What was the basis for the targeting of these “non-imminently-related” targets?

2. What was the Air Force and Navy “plotting” when it was targeting?

3. What has the White House, OVP, and DoD been discussing as “bonafide” military targets?

4. Where is the Congressional review of this planned war crimes-targeting?

Non-Military-Related Target List

It is a war crime to target non-military-related targets. It is reasonable to ask what the DoD war planners were targeting inside Iran since 2003; and what intelligence they were using to convince commanders that these targets — now known not to be related to any Iranian nuclear program — to have been targeted. Again, these raise issues of war crimes, commander involvement, and legality of orders.

5. What information has the DoD been providing to Congress as a basis for funding for these bunker busters?

6. Which targets on the DoD target list — provided to Members of Congress and the leadership — were not related to any WMD threat?

7. When did Members of Congress bet briefed on the planned DoD target list?

Congressional Oversight

Members of Congress also have a duty — especially in light of the dubious Iraq WMD data — to have asked after the known botched planning in Iraq to have conducted better oversight of DoD and the President. Indeed, since the 2006 voter mandate and DNC control of Congress, there is no excuse for the committees to not have gleaned the lessons of Iraq and applied them to Iran. However, the legacy of Congress since 2003 suggests that both the GOP and DNC have not agressively applied the lessons of Iraq WMD (need for better questions and scrubbing of data) to the Iranian targeting.

8. Did anyone bother to ask, “Now that we’ve known since 2003 that these targets in Iran were not credible, let’s take a look at the information we’ve been getting from DoD on the planned list of targets inside Iran: When did the President and others in the Executive Branch plan to present to the public and Congress an explanation why targets — known since 2003 not to be linked with any weapons program — were going to be targeted?”

Senate Intelligence Committee Briefings Since 2003

We’ve aslo seen since 2003 a number of indicators the Congress and President jointly failed to oversee, plan, and review the planning in Iraq. Now that we’ve realized since 2003 that there’s been no credible evidence supporting any of the Presidential statements about Iran, we have to ask what’s been going on behind closed doors inside the Senate intelligence committee.

9. Is the Same intelligence committee — that can’t figure out what is going on with the FISA violations — also playing lapdog to the President on these assertions about Iran?

10. What information has the Senate intelligence committee — since 2003, when the Iranians “stopped the nuclear development program — looking at?

11. What new questions does the Senate Intelligence Committee plan to openly discuss now that it’s been known for the last four years that the information they’ve been receiving about Iran wasn’t linked with any real threat, any nuclear weapons program, or anything resembling any remarks behind the Bush-Cheney public statements about Iran?

“Bad I.N.T.E.L.L.I.G.E.N.C.E”

“BAD I.N.T.E.L.L.I.G.E.N.C.E.!”

From Team America

So let me get this straight. The CIA was wrong about the intel (so we were told) in 2002. So now they are saying Iran doesn’t have a nuke weapons program. Are they lying now as they were then? Are they now telling the truth?

Help me Dick Cheney!

Help me Oprah!

Help me Tom Cruise!

bottom line? Bush is a liar once again. Can you fucking READ THIS Nancy Pelosi????????????

American Intel acted in America’s interest, not Israel’s, and that’s what’s sticking in Pud’s craw.

” the NIE report is a deliberate attempt by the CIA to subvert the Bush Doctrine.”

That’s right,we don’t want facts to get in the way of a doctrine.

Hitler was all about that. Onward to Stalingrad!

What this man failed to REALIZE the connection is that Vice President Dick Cheney headed the CIA during post 9/11 attack and was responsible for manipulation of intelligence to wage a war against IRAQ.

If anything at all to consider; CIA has finally realize thAt it was Vice President Cheney that is behind the delemma that our nation faces and the one responsible for ruining the credibility of a whole organization (CIA) and he is responsible for the negative impact it’s action was on the INTEGRITY of our Nation’s Governing Body. One Leadership (Bush/Cheney) single-handedly caused these chaos and castasthrophic events WE and the WORLD faces today.

If restoring credibility and integrity means by exposing the lies of this administration; SO BE IT. That is PATRIOTISM and NOT to be mistaken as a “PLOT against Bush”.

The TRUTH will set us FREE. Unless we get there (the truth) our life will remain STAGNANT and confined to the ramifications of our WEAK GOVERNMENT; destined to collapse. WE CAN NOT solve a problem and intelligently create a viable solutions to our MOST pressing national problems until WE the fundamental problems of our nation. That problem IS rooted in Capitol HILL.

IMPEACHING those responsible and holding them accountable under the full extent of the LAWS and has abused its power (retroactively); for if justice find that these people INDEED has broken the laws that govern them before they took office; then ANY POST executive amendments to the LAWS becomes illigitimate and therefore subject to reversal for it’s action IS the result of it’s abuses of power.

President power should be subjected and limitted by the laws that was in place before he pledge his allegence as his oath to the AMERICAN people.

I suppose if we had media worth the name, someone would pin Giuliani down as to whether he shares his foreign policy advisor’s views on the NIE. But I’m not going to hold my breath.

Impeachment is off the table.

Well this is a true observation. Its often been said that reality tends to be liberal, and if the CIA is making a reality based assessment then that would indeed be anti-Bush.

Of COURSE it’s a CIA plot - ask any licensed materials engimaneer and he’ll tell you that steel can’t melt at… oh wait, wrong nutjob conspiracy theory

OUTING A CIA AGENT IN