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Open Thread

Bush as Scrooge.  Original work by Darkblack for Crooks and Liars.

Dream for President Bush (excerpt) by Colleen Redman

I want President Bush to have a dream
like the one that Ebenezer Scrooge had
I want him to be visited by the ghosts of Iraqi children
who cry out, “But mankind was your business.”…

I want President Bush to be haunted
by the ghosts of our Founding Fathers
until he learns this lesson:
that killing civilians is a terrorist act
and pre-emptive strike is invasion…

If President Bush doesn’t have a real dream soon
he should step aside for those who do
He should impeach himself
and ask for forgiveness
for imposing his nightmare on the world…

Excerpted from here (The entire poem and its context are highly recommended). Darkblack made the image above specifically for this post at my request. Thanks hon you’re the best.




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1
donkee Says:

GREAT!

heh…

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dadams Says:

bush is in bed with cheney having their “dream” the destruction of the United States on all levels.

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revulver Says:

bit over the top wouldn’t you say?

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Don Davis Says:

BUSH GIVES OUT WRONG HOTLINE # FOR MORTGAGE HELP — REFERS HOMEOWNERS TO ‘DIE-TECH’

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skippy Says:
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whizkid Says:

Yes.

“A Christmas Carol” was a short story by Dickens.
But it has resonated for over a century.

It surely applies to the lawless, greedy Bush clan.

Remember the children. Christmas.

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jr Says:

kudos to Colleen Redman

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paranoia Says:

The USA has killed about 500,000 innocent civilians that have nothing to with in response of 9/11 in which we lost 3,000 that day.

Kind of put the terrorist perspective a bit bleak.

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Lollimom Says:

paranoia @ 8:

The USA has killed about 500,000 innocent civilians that have nothing to with in response of 9/11 in which we lost 3,000 that day.

Kind of put the terrorist perspective a bit bleak.

Isn’t this the truth?

It just sickens me to think about the destruction this administration and its supporters have done to human life and the world.

The only thing the republicans can focus on is how religious they are. Meanwhile, their party’s hands are slimed with blood.

I can’t stand it anymore.

paranoia @ 8:

The USA has killed about 500,000 innocent civilians that have nothing to with in response of 9/11 in which we lost 3,000 that day.

Kind of put the terrorist perspective a bit bleak.

Actually, latest estimate is 1,129,698.

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Orangutan. Says:

Good image. I agree. Bush is an idiot and I imagine his dreams still include Jeff Gannon from time to time. Other than that I can’t believe we’ve allowed our election system to be taken over by private corporations who own, privately run, and keep secret their proprietary software. What has happened to this country and can we get it back??? www.stopbigmedia.com

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Freya Says:

Too bad this performance and story illuminate how much worse off we all are now. Scrooge looks positively human in comparison, even in his monstrous first dialogs before he is haunted into rediscovering his humanity.

GEORGE C SCOTT-SCROOGE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FYVrSpda9U

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whizkid Says:

Bush & Cheney.
Marley & Scrooge.

Bill O’Reilly would call us America haters.
But he’s an odd one.
He loves the early Scrooge.
Before Scrooge became a Democrat.

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Orangutan. Says:

xoites defends Constitution @ 10:

paranoia @ 8:

The USA has killed about 500,000 innocent civilians that have nothing to with in response of 9/11 in which we lost 3,000 that day.

Kind of put the terrorist perspective a bit bleak.

Actually, latest estimate is 1,129,698.

Yeah xoites, I’ve heard estimates more around that level as well.

Also important to note that more Americans 3,886 have died in Iraq than from the attacks of September 11, 2001 (Goulianni’s “birthday.”)

whizkid @ 13:

Bush & Cheney.
Marley & Scrooge.

Bill O’Reilly would call us America haters.
But he’s an odd one.
He loves the early Scrooge.
Before Scrooge became a Democrat.

Not seeing many Democrats rising to the occasion.

A Right Wing Troll will come on here and complain that we never criticize the Democrats. What that Troll wants us to complain about is their unpatriotic behavior in criticizing the President.

The fact is we do complain about their unpatriotic behavior; in refusing to impeach the President.

Anyone out there notice that the real unreported story was the Corporate Media is reporting on the destroyed CIA tapes of interogation?

It is the first time they have seemed to notice something is wrong.

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Patrick Says:

Little mistake. Killing civilians isn’t necessarily terrorism. Killing non-combatants is (plus other qualifiers). Surprisingly big difference. I hate it when liberals use words for solely prejudicial value, negating their actual meaning. Remember liberals are the smart, reasonable, and rational citizens; Republicans are the idiots (among many other things), act accordingly.

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Tequila Says:

Will the Pentagon go to war w/ Iran in spite of
the NIE findings? A Marine gets charged with murder
in regard to Fallujah. Most of the Blackwater perps are getting immunity.

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curtilingus Says:

Who’s afraid of ghosts when you talk to God on a regular basis?
And have the largest security detail in the world.
And a gargoyle for a wife.

He ain’t afraid of no ghosts.

Patrick @ 19:

Little mistake. Killing civilians isn’t necessarily terrorism. Killing non-combatants is (plus other qualifiers). Surprisingly big difference. I hate it when liberals use words for solely prejudicial value, negating their actual meaning. Remember liberals are the smart, reasonable, and rational citizens; Republicans are the idiots (among many other things), act accordingly.

How is this?

KILLING IS WRONG!

Is that good enough?

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curtilingus Says:

Whoa that’s kind of weird.
“ain’t” doesn’t come up on spell check anymore as a mistake. Did that goddam whitehouse hick have something to do with that?

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CoIntelPro Says:

It sure looks like the willard(rat-faced) “mitt” romney speech has backfired catastrophically because - Huckabee Opens 22 Point Lead In Iowa

curtilingus @ 21:

Who’s afraid of ghosts when you talk to God on a regular basis?
And have the largest security detail in the world.
And a gargoyle for a wife.

He ain’t afraid of no ghosts.

Ebaneezer Scrooge had a conscience and was not a sociopath. That helped a lot.

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CoIntelPro Says:

Patrick @ 19:

Little mistake. Killing civilians isn’t necessarily terrorism. Killing non-combatants is (plus other qualifiers). Surprisingly big difference. I hate it when liberals use words for solely prejudicial value, negating their actual meaning. Remember liberals are the smart, reasonable, and rational citizens; Republicans are the idiots (among many other things), act accordingly.

so you parse the verbiage associated with the murder of innocent people?
what the fuck is wrong with you?

CoIntelPro @ 24:

It sure looks like the willard(rat-faced) “mitt” romney speech has backfired catastrophically because - Huckabee Opens 22 Point Lead In Iowa

Given a choice between Gulliani, Hukabee and Romney i would choose exile.

CoIntelPro @ 26:

Patrick @ 19:

Little mistake. Killing civilians isn’t necessarily terrorism. Killing non-combatants is (plus other qualifiers). Surprisingly big difference. I hate it when liberals use words for solely prejudicial value, negating their actual meaning. Remember liberals are the smart, reasonable, and rational citizens; Republicans are the idiots (among many other things), act accordingly.

so you parse the verbiage associated with the murder of innocent people?
what the fuck is wrong with you?

It is possible he is a Pod Person.

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curtilingus Says:

Unfortunately modern day scrooges are so much more wealthy that they have insulated themselves from consequences, Karma and other forces that used to keep them in line. Bad guys finish first in our society.

I read the cover of a book titled “In Defense of Elitism”. It really made me sick to know people still think like that. like there is a small class of people who are self chosen to dominate and haplessly guide the other 95% of society.

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CoIntelPro Says:

xoites defends Constitution @ 18:

Anyone out there notice that the real unreported story was the Corporate Media is reporting on the destroyed CIA tapes of interogation?

It is the first time they have seemed to notice something is wrong.

that was leaked to draw attention away from the loud blatant lies boosh inc is continuing to try to spread about Iran, even after the embarassing NIE was released over the objections of the dick.

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Freya Says:

Pentagon Cover Up
15,000 or More US Deaths in Iraq War?

The Pentagon was covering up the real magnitude of the “suicide epidemic”. Following an exhaustive investigation of veterans’ suicide data collected from 45 states; CBS discovered that in 2005 alone “there were at least 6,256 among those who served in the armed forces. That’s 120 each and every week in just one year.”

That is not a typo. Active and retired military personnel, mostly young veterans between the ages of 20 to 24, are returning from combat and killing themselves in record numbers. We can assume that “multiple-tours of duty” in a war-zone have precipitated a mental health crisis of which the public is entirely unaware and which the Pentagon is in total denial.

If we add the 6,256 suicide victims from 2005 to the “official” 3,865 reported combat casualties; we get a sum of 10,121. Even a low-ball estimate of similar 2004 and 2006 suicide figures, would mean that the total number of US casualties from the Iraq war now exceed 15,000.

That’s right; 15,000 dead US servicemen and women in a war that–as yet–has no legal or moral justification.

CBS interviewed Dr. Ira Katz, the head of mental health at the Department of Veteran Affairs. Katz attempted to minimize the surge in veteran suicides saying, “There is no epidemic of suicide in the VA, but suicide is a major problem.”

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curtilingus Says:

Welcome to America. Where the worst candidates rise to the top.

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CoIntelPro Says:

xoites defends Constitution @ 27:

CoIntelPro @ 24:

It sure looks like the willard(rat-faced) “mitt” romney speech has backfired catastrophically because - Huckabee Opens 22 Point Lead In Iowa

Given a choice between Gulliani, Hukabee and Romney i would choose exile.

:lol:

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Karen Says:

Patrick @ 19:

Little mistake. Killing civilians isn’t necessarily terrorism. Killing non-combatants is (plus other qualifiers). Surprisingly big difference. I hate it when liberals use words for solely prejudicial value, negating their actual meaning. Remember liberals are the smart, reasonable, and rational citizens; Republicans are the idiots (among many other things), act accordingly.

Who said that killing civilians is, by definition, terrorism?

I see only a post that comments that comparing the death tally of 9/11 to that in our war of choice “put[s] the terrorist perspective a little bleak.” I would take that as a condemnation of the arguments that we are fighting terrorism in Iraq, that we have the moral high ground in this war, and that terrorism is really the biggest threat the world faces.

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curtilingus Says:

CoIntelPro @ 30:

xoites defends Constitution @ 18:

Anyone out there notice that the real unreported story was the Corporate Media is reporting on the destroyed CIA tapes of interogation?

It is the first time they have seemed to notice something is wrong.

that was leaked to draw attention away from the loud blatant lies boosh inc is continuing to try to spread about Iran, even after the embarassing NIE was released over the objections of the dick.

The daily kos had an article that speculated the tapes were destroyed not to protect the torturers from prosecution, but to destroy evidence that was revealed of the Saudis and the Pakistani’s being behind 911.

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CoIntelPro Says:

Freya @ 31:

So the actual military death toll is more like 19,000!

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tyree Says:

mitch mcconnel could play the deranged vagabon whos caught giveing xmass blow jobs at scrooges christmass parys, who better for the part!

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Freya Says:

CoIntelPro @ 36:

Freya @ 31:

So the actual military death toll is more like 19,000!

It’s a horrific thought. But there is really now way to say that it isn’t far more than that. I live in L.A. and there are parks there that have been well known throughout the years as havens for homeless Vietnam veterans. Lately, the folks there look like they are baby faced children who are so disturbed the police are cracking down. It’s just wrong what is going on here.

And the other part of it is a lot of these homeless vets do not even speak English. This is because one of the big offerings to fill the void of people who would be willing to enlist was that they would get citizenship for their families.

I am not in L.A. currently but a friend of mine just told me that a 26 year old native Guatemalan man hung himself from a tree.

There was nothing in the paper.

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seevee Says:

Bush has no chance of a Scrooge-like redemption. That would require some iota of compassion and you’d be hard pressed to find any evidence of that in his pitch black soul.

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CoIntelPro Says:

curtilingus @ 35:

CoIntelPro @ 30:

xoites defends Constitution @ 18:

Anyone out there notice that the real unreported story was the Corporate Media is reporting on the destroyed CIA tapes of interogation?

It is the first time they have seemed to notice something is wrong.

that was leaked to draw attention away from the loud blatant lies boosh inc is continuing to try to spread about Iran, even after the embarassing NIE was released over the objections of the dick.

The daily kos had an article that speculated the tapes were destroyed not to protect the torturers from prosecution, but to destroy evidence that was revealed of the Saudis and the Pakistani’s being behind 911.

the redacted pages of the 9/11 commission report already connect the saudis to 9/11. my bet is that those tapes were made in places like saudi arabia and pakistan because, as our ‘allies’ they likely provided places to rendition and some of the 6-9,000 people we had no room for in guantanamo. but that’s just me.

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Ron Says:

The poem reminds me of my own thoughts in 2002. I couldn’t have put it in better words.

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Freya Says:

To correct what I said above, the young man who hung himself did so in a park that is right off Hollywood Blvd. where it is common to find rusty or discarded wheelchairs from those pesky Vietnam vets.

His dog tags identified him. But no family stepped forward to claim the body. Hopefully an anxious someone will find him. Otherwise, I’m not sure what the procedures are for vets with nothing on their bodies when they off themselves.

I am still trying to find a rational argument i can agree with that justifies killing anybody. I can understand (although i do not agree with) someone killing in a violent rage under extenuating circumstances, but i think it is wrong. The death penalty makes no sense. War is merely the prelude to the next war and only the war profiteers win and plot the next war.

If the Palestinians had started a non violent movement in 1948 their situation would have been resolved by now.

On the other hand war is not the only thing that kills. Poverty is violence. Take a person’s land, job, stability and push him out and you kill that person.

The fighting over resources is at the root of the world’s problems. One day the resourses will be gone and we will just all dry up and blow away in the wind accomplishing nothing. In my opinion this is the logical conclusion of Capitalism. It may have its innovations but only if someone can make a buck on those innovations. You have to make a buck to survive because Capitalism is dog eat dog. Murder is dog eat dog.

Will we ever get beyond this stone aged economic system?

Freya @ 42:

To correct what I said above, the young man who hung himself did so in a park that is right off Hollywood Blvd. where it is common to find rusty or discarded wheelchairs from those pesky Vietnam vets.

His dog tags identified him. But no family stepped forward to claim the body. Hopefully an anxious someone will find him. Otherwise, I’m not sure what the procedures are for vets with nothing on their bodies when they off themselves.

The reamains of indigent people in the US and most countries are cremated and buried in common unmarked graves.

Xoites -
> … The death penalty makes no sense. …

Yeah, it’s a two wrongs make a right thing and of course the old saying says the opposite …

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Freya Says:

Oh Xoites, I agree on some level BUT I REALLY DISAGREE ON SO MANY LEVELS SINCE THEN.

i’M Apologizing for you, my friend. You are too slight in you observations and I am filled with your antiipatory thoughts on everything. WRITE!!

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Karen Says:

xoites defends Constitution @ 43:

I am still trying to find a rational argument i can agree with that justifies killing anybody.

Ever? As in, under no circumstances is it right to take a human life? Or have I hyper-extended your statement?

Just asking. ;)

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Ron Says: