FNS: On the NIE and the Iranian "threat"
By Nicole Belle Sunday Dec 09, 2007 11:01am
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Can't have Sunday without a little William "the Bloody" Kristol bloviation. Poor little Bloody Bill didn't like that NIE report, which directly contradicted all of his assertions and cheerleading for war with Iran. Watch him spin the fact that once again he was wrong--not a little wrong, but wrong on a potentially catastrophic level--and try lamely to turn it into a positive:
I believe we invaded a neighboring country in 2003 and removed their dictator and that sent shock waves through the region and at the time people were quite worried. Qaddafi gave up his program, he dismantled his. We took it out. Iran didn't dismantle anything. That's why they remain a threat. They halted it, maybe they've restarted it, maybe not. This is yet another feather in the cap for the invasion of Iraq.
Oh, poor misguided, completely clueless Kristol. Once again, you pull facts out of your posterior that probably sound correct to the average Fox viewer, but here in the reality-based community, we know you're just as wrong here as you've been about basically every single thing that's come out of your mouth. Qaddafi didn't give up his program because we invaded Iraq. Qaddafi signaled years ago that he was willing to negotiate and his eventual concessions came from years and years of concerted diplomatic effort. You know, the kind your buddy Bush refused to do with Iran, leaving it to six other nations? And the unmitigated arrogance to assume that the every nation's actions revolve around the U.S. approval shows how little you understand about anything outside your little bubble. The nuclear program in Iran was shut down because the Iranian Supreme Leader felt that a nuclear program was not consistent with Islam.
That's no feather in the cap, Billy Boy. This is proof that once again, listening to anything you say just leaves you even less informed than before. And yet, sadly, you'll be back next Sunday being wrong again.
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I noted in the Sunday thread that this meme was going to become a regular GOP Talking Point very quickly.
Why the fuck is he always smiling? He knows just how full of shit he really is!!!!
Yep, he said it word for word just as I've heard others do.
Gotta give them credit, they can memorize lines well and fast.
I was actually watching yesterday when he recited his lines. It's pretty pathetic when this is the best they can do.
I hit a guy in the face the other day (who didn't do a thing to provoke me), and none of the other people who saw it has messed with me since. That's another feather in my cap.
They're (the Iranians) gonna get us after class?
He's not William "the bloody" - that would imply that he does something other than sit on his fat ass cheerleading. He has never done anything worthwhile, let alone anything that could allow him to get blood or dirt on his hands. Try William "the cheerleader", William "the douchebag", William "the fat", William "the useless", William "the wrong", William "whore", etc.
Why haven't they rolled out that fine argument that "The NIE has zero credibility since MRS NIE sent NIE on a junket."
Giving up nukes? My guess is that the old tried and true beheading methods were working better.
Face it. They saw what happend in Iraq and didn't want the same thing to happen in Iran.
Um, Qadaffi didn't give up nukes, because of the Iraq war. He gave them up, because he knew he could shut us up with oil.
scruzman @ 8:
Uh no, nice try though. There is absolutely no evidence of that, other than in the minds of incredibly self-absorbed neo-cons (Kristol, is that you?).
There is documented evidence that the nuclear program was scrubbed at the behest of the Iranian Supreme Leader Khamenei who issued a fatwa. You can't have it both ways. You can't condemn them for being an Islamic theocracy and then discount the laws enforced by their theocrats.
"Qaddafi signaled years ago that he was willing to negotiate and his eventual concessions came from years and years of concerted diplomatic effort."
Yes, a joint effort between Britain and the US which began, at Libya's request in March of 2003. And guess who was there on our side. Yup! John Bolton.
Bolton was there as the State Department's chief arms control negotiator. He was so totally out of control, cooking facts and intel data and taking a completely inflexible negotiating position, that the talks were on the verge of collapse.
Finally the British diplomats lodged a complaint "at the highest level", ie: Blair, about Bolton's intransigent and inflammatory behavior. Thankfully, Bolton was sent packing back to the US and the talks began to make progress.
It was after this near catastrophe that Bush recess appointed Bolton as our UN Ambassador.
Anybody surprised?
California Dave @ 2:
Gas.
Iron Glove speaks with forked tongue.
I have a message for any whacked out nut cases who are on some sort of anti-depressant. Instead of going and shooting up a school or a mall, take a little trip to Fox news headquarters and pay them a visit.
Nicole Belle @ 10:
Their suspension seems to be irrelevant to bush. He wants a war so he can pump his fists and finally get another hard-on over carpet bombing, since Jeff Gannon isn't in the WH press corps anymore, and La-la is too drugged out to comply.
Want the real reason they gave it up in 2003?
Want the real reason they gave it up in 2003?
http://www.pabloonpolitics.com/nukes.htm
The average Joe being that incompetent on a job would have long been handed his walking papers.
But morons like "Morning Joe" Scarborough and William the Bloody manage to stay gainfully employed, much to the detriment of intelligent political discourse.
I guess that's why I stay tuned to the TCM Channel, the Weather Channel, Discovery or QVC. Even A & E has been more watchable since they canned "Dog, the Bounty Hunter".
Whenever David Letterman or Jay Leno asks their audience to give it up for their next celebrity-guest, why doesn't the audience doesn't start handing over their hardware?
AF_Comm_Guy @ 14:
I was there this past weekend. Have you ever seen the concrete stanchions that surround that place? Christ! You'd think it was the freakin' White House. You can't get a Ryder truck within 100 feet of that building.
California Dave @ 2:
Vibrating anal butt-plug.
And that lady in the beginning, "They're still a threat." The old, 'it's always the quiet ones' argument.To paraphrase George Carlin "...while you're watching a queit one a noisy one will fucking kill you!" (being North Korea)
Stop calling these guys douches. Douches have a useful function in life.
ysbaddaden @ 21:
Thanks. Now I'll be stuck with that creepy image in my mind for the rest of the day. :)
Also, did anyone see Kimberly Kagan on CSpan last night? She's a Kagan, so you know what side she's on. And she's an expert on the military- but she's never actually been in the military. I know, big surprise there.
I bet chicken hawk neoc-n mad man Kristol got a boner when he was calle "the iron glove".
Man, Kristol is one sick and twisted individual.
"The nuclear program in Iran was shut down..."
I assume you mean nuclear weapons program.
There isn't any evidence that Iran ever had one, despite the automatic reflex of the empire's useful idiots that frequent this site to automatically believe what authority figures tell them. The NIE report was only half right, and helps reinforce the false meme in this country that preemptive strikes against countries that haven't attacked us is a good idea under certain circumstances. It's a short leap from "we shouldn't launch a preemptive attack against Iran because they stopped their nuclear weapons program" to "we should launch a preemptive attack Iran (or another country) because of a nuclear weapons program." The NIE report also serves the useful purpose of helping to justify the criminal and idiotic foreign policy of this administration (see Kristol's argument).
"Preventive war was an invention of Hitler. Frankly, I would not even listen to anyone seriously that came and talked about such a thing."
--Dwight D. Eisenhower
"If all that Americans want is security, they can go to prison. They'll have enough to eat, a bed and a roof over their heads. But if an American wants to preserve his dignity and his equality as a human being, he must not bow his neck to any dictatorial government."
--Dwight D. Eisenhower
President Bush’s Surge Forcing Iraqi Children Into Prostitution
"Yet another feather in the cap for the Invasion of Iraq."-BK
No. 21:
Anal butt-plug, huh? Are there other kinds as well? ;0) Sorry, couldn't resist.
Someone ought to compile a list of William the "Bloody's" post facto spins and excuses and contrast them with his predictions. Would be kind of a long list, I know...
jwf @ 24:
It be one of them there Baby Jesus butt-plugs the wingers are all in a lather about.
living_abomination @ 6:
When that smiling ChestCAT Crystal started talking that crap about how invading Iraq caused Iran to abandon it nucks, I was waiting for Juan Williams to give him hell. Instead, he sat a smiled and accepted that shit. Now I know, he is nothing but a phony liberal coward. He is only there to provide a "fair and balance" panel. He is a twit. I had my doubts but now I see right through him.
This freak Kristol is so arrogant he makes want to hit something. He plays with words to fit his stupid war loving brown people murdering arguments. He's soooo smart and of course we don't know shit, so shut up and listen. If he had any credibility he would ask his audience to fact check. Never mind that this motherfucker has been so screwed on middle east issues consistently. Like Pres. Caligula, this creep never admits being wrong.
It is encouraging to hear Juan Williams stuffing these specious arguments down Kristol's throat for a change. Kristol looked lie a blinking fool after Williams called him "The Iron Glove".. who wants to beat everybody up.
John Wison @ 34:
Yeah but that was so lame. Williams could had done more that that. The Wiennie.
Smug smiley little bitch. He's actually grinning at the prospect of killing more Americans. How disgusting. Why doesn't he send his kids over there if it is such a noble cause.
By his logic, we should bomb Pakistan and India while were at it.
Stupid, smug, smirking, little fuck.
And for the people who complain about Sharpton and Jackson speaking for black folks (whatever the hell that means) Who fuck is this handkerchief head "negro" Juan Williams and who the hell does he speak for? I know that confused black man in the white man's world don't speak for my ass!
I'm with rasputin. Where is the evidence that Iran ever had a nuclear weapons program to stop in the first place?
I'm not sure what's up with me, but every single time I see Kristol's shit-faced smile, I wanna beat the crap outta him. It's the smug, self-righteous, sanctimonious smirk I totally want to destroy. I'm concerned because I don't normally have these sorts of feelings about others.
I know I'm off the point here, but what was that woman saying about carrots vs. sticks? Something like, 'this is opportunity to use more of the carrot and less of the stick'? Can someone send her a diagram of a carrot on a stick, so maybe she can understand the metaphor?
Clueless Kristol knew he was lying when he spoke, look closely at him after he speaks. What an ass.
This says it all, taken from Wikipedia. Now watch some neo-con change the entry.
After teaching political philosophy and American politics at the University of Pennsylvania and Harvard's Kennedy School of Government, Kristol went to work in government in 1985, serving as chief of staff to Secretary of Education William Bennett during the Reagan Administration, and then as chief of staff to Vice President Dan Quayle under the first Bush Administration. The The New Republic dubbed Kristol "Dan Quayle's brain" upon being appointed the Vice President's chief of staff.
i think the proper reply to any drumbeating for war with iran would be "you and what army?" we've got the capability to bomb the sense out of them, but then what? dare we attempt to occupy and create yet another hotbed for terrorism? maybe we can pay blackwater to run that war too.
HAHAHAHAHA, you've that right Nicole.
What a total dicwad. What's so weird is that he's spinning shit and expecting gold thread. bloody billy is so fucking eager to see USA's blood in Iran and Iraq. All for chimpy and his gang and Israel.
Shockwave? he's a raging lunatic. This fool will get his "shock" on one way or another.
Damn and to think he still has his plan of world domination.
The other fool is the President from that University who called the President of Iran all sorts of bs before introducing him. The fool.
rupugs' play on syntax and words are ridiculous and idiotic
It's all a lie from day one
I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop.
Can’t have Sunday without a little William “the Bloody” Kristol bloviation.
How do we know? never having tried it?
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But this is actually a good post to have up - gives us all a great chance to laugh at how ridiculous "Bloody" really is.
Bloviation is the word.
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Clueless, yes. Misguided, no way. Kristol is a blood-thirsty chickenhawk. If this was Richard III, he'd be Buckingham - ambitious and amoral, but unable to perform the bloody deed himself.
ysbaddaden @ 21:
We know he is, but why is he always smiling anyway?
Lusmu @ 30:
Rather redundant, ain't it?
bob @ 23:
So we can't call them assholes either?
What a boot licking little toad. The fact that this smarmy, know-nothing piece of shit still has a platform to spout his fantastic lies and BS fucking near makes my head want to explode!!! How the hell did we ever arrive at this place?
Kristol's just being modest.
HE'S the reason Iran stopped it's nuclear development program.
Ahmadinejad and the Ayatollah decided they'd had enough of all the bullshit lies NeoConZionist Kristol was telling about them, so they decided a better use of the money and materials going into the nuclear program would be to build a special 'shower' for Kristol.
The 'shower' is finished now, William, and members of the Iranian 'sleeper cells' are looking for you, to give you a good 'scrubbing'.
Those footsteps behind you? Just your imagination.
Billy thinks he is important because he was once Dan Quayle's comedy writer? To me he is a perfect example of anyone getting press credintials, a script, and being passed off as an expert despite the true facts.
these Pinochetists keep getting second chances from the media. The media gives them pity fuck bookings
Nicole Belle @ 10:
Could you please reference that document? I heard the Khamenei spin from Al Jazzera last week but have seen no docs yet. whoyagonnabelieve? Khamenei propoganda or Kristol propoganda?
Of course, none of this acknowledges the REAL reason this report was released, despite being so inconvenient for the administration. This is what happens when you run out for crazy people in the labor pool.
"This is yet another feather in the cap for the invasion of Iraq."
-Kristol
Yet another large load of drecht.
Faux Noise is always comedy central.
living_abomination @ 6:
Bob Novak is already the "douchebag of liberty" so that one's no good, William the tampon isn't bad..
Bill always smiles when he shits in his pants....
scruzman @ 54:
Check my links in the original post.
Even in the upper levels of little league baseball, a kid who strikes out every time at bat and makes an error every time he touches the ball gets benched, even if he is the coaches son.
Doughboy will always -smugly- insist he's right, to the very end, no matter wat, and with that dumb-assed smile.
scruzman @ 8:
Perhaps it's really that simple in your world. I shudder to think of it.
Nicole Belle @ 60:
Clicked the link. Could not find the document under "Events" of that link. Maybe it's elsewhere. I'll try a general search.
Nicole Belle @ 60:
found it.
http://www.payvand.com/news/05/aug/1113.html
Thank you.
The bastard should do exactly what he is doing, because he knows that no ones going to do a dame thing to any of them.
Why the hell is that?
Kristol is such a liar. He assumes his viewers are too dumb to know any better. If anyone researched the Lybia story on how they gave up their nuclear activity, they would know that the whole diplomatic effort by mainly the French, German and particularly the British was almost destroyed by a gung ho representative from the US government who basically wanted to Bomb Lybia into agreement. They stopped one particular meeting, and threw out the US representative so they could continue. That representative.......John Bolton. The only decent diplomat in the whole administration is Chris Hill, who has negotiated the last few years with North Korea, with no guns, no bloodshed, just hard work and diplomatics skill.
Bill Kristol. That's all I have to say and people start laughing uncontrollably. It's kind of like mentioning Michael Jackson. Laughter starts. You don't need to say a joke, cuz just the name IS a joke.
When I look at Kristol, I imagine what he went through as a kid and how that explains his current attitudes. I'm envisioning that he was picked on brutally and probably felt powerless and ineffectual.
Of course Kristol ignores the truth behind Quadafi giving up his nuclear goodies. The promised economic investment/payoff. And the military hardware that France is now selling him.
The stick had no affect on Qaddafi. It was the carrot that swayed him.
Conservatives are so goddamned stupid. We'd be 30 years further along in world development without them mucking things up while playing at their yeehaw foreign policy.
This isn't just "cheer leading". These idiots actually believe this shit. They can't pull their heads out of their own asses long enough to realize there are people in the world other than themselves. This is evident in everything they do, including the PNAC statements about how we should rule the world. Cons in general and Neo-Cons specifically are socially/mentally under developed, and are not able to maturely look at the world and see that other people do things for their own reasons that have NOTHING to do with the US. They see geopolitics, domestic issues and religion with the mind of a 3 year old. EVERYTHING is black and white, and EVERYTHING has to do with ME ME ME. Keep your hands off that money it's MINE MINE MINE.
Juan Williams really was much too nice to Billy the mindless KKKrystol. When he said KKKrystol was an Iron Glove, you could hear that anal vibrator increase two speeds. A much more accurate comment would have been "For someone who's never broke a sweat or shed a drop of blood for your country, you certainly like to treat our troops like toy soldiers." Always call out chicken-shit hawks. And always shove it in their faces.
"I believe we invaded a neighboring country in 2003 and removed their dictator and that sent shock waves through the region and at the time people were quite worried."
I am about midway through The Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klein, which I mention because Williams Kristol's mention of 'shock waves' brought it to mind. In any case, so called technocrats like William Kristol bother me because they act as if the world is theirs to experiment with (experiments which inevitably end up being profitable for them and their ilk).
The only way that we can begin to bring Democracy back to our own country (take care of your own house before commenting upon the homes of others, I believe) is to bring back the Fairness Doctrine (so that propaganda outlets like False News will be nipped in the bud because I don't care how much money Rupert Murdoch has, if he has to pay multiple thousands of dollars in fines he will soon change his tune, so to speak) and increase tax rates on the rich to such a degree that creating think tanks that spread their rather twisted points of view will be the last things on their minds.
And as the conservative think tanks wither on the vine, this will begin to cut down on the influence of the Conservative/Neo-con/Lunatic Fringe in government. Then we have to move to remove the abilities of corporations to influence our political process, which would begin with severely restricting their ability to contribute directly to the political process (particularly in terms of money, the only language they seem to understand).
I know that the things above are somewhat afield of the main topic, but William Kristol is only a symptom of a larger problem. As long as that remains the case, defeating such people, while desirable, by no means solves the problem.
Actually in many cases, invasions will cause the neighbors to arm up in case they're next.
Why hasn't Billy Boy or any of his children signed up for the grand wars he keeps cheerleading for? He's such a hypocritical wussy.
JustSickOfIt @ 71:
Juan Williams works for FOX. Nuff said.
And what do you think of the very popular view by a leading Israeli analyst Obadiah Shoher? He argues (here, for example, www. samsonblinded.org/blog/america-arranges-a-peace-deal-with-iran.htm ) that the Bush Administration made a deal with Iran: nuclear program in exchange for curtailing the Iranian support for Iraqi terrorists. His story seems plausible, isn't it?
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