iowa sux

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lets hope this is better than the sad repub debate!

dan @ 2:

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ha

bill richardson was a governor?

Attack the special interests!

Kuchinich has just as much of a right to be on that podium as Biden, Dodd or Richardson.

Why would he be the ONLY one excluded?

It’s christmas time with Mike Gravel on red state update

the only democrat that has earned your vote. All those others are just pandering for your vote. Kucinich included cuz he doesn’t support the national initiative.

Another example of how Kucinich has been marginalized by those in power. Apparently the last thing that a very conservative state like Iowa desires to have happen is for a progressive voice like Kucinich’s to be heard alongside the rest of the mainstream Democrats.

Not one single vote in America has been cast, yet you are not allowed to hear all of the candidates speak. Get the corporations and their money out of the elections.

I noticed last nite on TV an ad w/the oh-so-adorable-and-dim Katie Couric going to interview the candidates, and didn’t see Kucinich in the line-up. This is so wrong. It’s tossing him out of the race by default of the networks.

Well, that’s pretty much bullshit. I don’t have a problem with them skipping DK, but only if they also get rid of Biden and Dodd. Their support level is about the same. Why not just arbitrarily pass on Hillary?

As far as I’m concerned The Des Moines Register can set the guest list for their own debate with whatever criteria they wish.

But not after they invite Alan Keyes to the GOP one. You can’t say you have any criteria at all after that performance. I mean, c’mon. Alan Keyes? Sorry, Register, you hafta let Kucinich on the Democratic stage.

My vote goes to whoever can beat Hillary.

I’d like NOT to have to hold my nose and vote for her in november.

Gore/Edwards in ‘08!
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So one would expect that debates hosted by NPR would feature more hard-hitting questions on the issues that really matter to Americans, huh?

Unfortunately, the Dem debate and the moderator NPR provided were both pathetic…and I expect this one will be no better.

NPR is so cowed by the defunding threat of the Republican Congress they’ve been politically castrated…

All very sad.

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And the Des Moines Register is beholden to whom?

Most certainly NOT truth, opportunity or an “open forum” when they selectively shut out individuals because the individual isn’t beholden to ANY singular group/organization.

The Des Moines Register makes a mockery out of our Democratic process. Stalin would be proud of America today, as now, in America, not only do private corporations control the method of counting the votes, private corporations are busy deciding who we can/can vote for. Mussolini thought he was paying Stalin a compliment by reworking his Socialist platform into Italy’s Fascism. How close do we have to get to the same principles at play before America wakes up?

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Thankyou Crooks & Liars for at least questioning thee exclusion of Presidential Candidate Congressman Dennis Kucinich,
and providing thee contact info of thee Des Moines register.
I myself emailed and called them yesterday.
I always could rely on C&L for being above board.

CoIntelPRo @ 1:

iowa sux

Iowa is bluer than you think. I don’t think Bush took it in the last election - I think he stole it.
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Are they discussing this? Or what TV shows they watch.

Reuters - Thu Dec 13
LONDON (Reuters) - Investor delight at a concerted central bank effort to relieve jammed money markets fizzled out on Thursday with experts saying the credit crisis would only end when commercial banks trusted each other again.

wagonjak @ 15:

So one would expect that debates hosted by NPR would feature more hard-hitting questions on the issues that really matter to Americans, huh?

Unfortunately, the Dem debate and the moderator NPR provided were both pathetic…and I expect this one will be no better.

NPR is so cowed by the defunding threat of the Republican Congress they’ve been politically castrated…

All very sad.

there were actually 3 moderators for that debate and i actually found the NPR debate to be the best so far.

Anyway, Richardson is getting some serious time right now, the big 3 have spoke the least so far I think.

Just as a longtime attorney at the U.S. Department of Justice said,
“I can honestly say that I have never been as ashamed of the department and government that I serve as I am at this time.”
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/070907N.shtml

–> We can honestly say that we have never been as ashamed of the U.S. media, their disservice, dishonesty and propaganda perpetrated against the people of this country.

2008: VOTE TOGETHER IN MASSIVE NUMBERS. TAKE PICTURES.

JudyLou @ 11:

I noticed last nite on TV an ad w/the oh-so-adorable-and-dim Katie Couric going to interview the candidates, and didn’t see Kucinich in the line-up. This is so wrong. It’s tossing him out of the race by default of the networks.

EXACTLY.
Couric IS a player in this mess. She’s been promoting her series as hard questions for the candidates. Most people assume that means ALL. But the truth is, those beholden enough.

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L.A. Confidential @ 19:

Are they discussing this? Or what TV shows they watch.

Reuters - Thu Dec 13
LONDON (Reuters) - Investor delight at a concerted central bank effort to relieve jammed money markets fizzled out on Thursday with experts saying the credit crisis would only end when commercial banks trusted each other again.

no, they arent, but the republicans were all over it yesterday!

good debate so far and the host is less annoying than she was yesterday

it’s great to hear about issues that usually don’t get enough time such as china and balanced budgets

Edwards has been great
Dodd has been great
Obama has been okay
Richardson is fumbling around and getting lost
Biden has a cold, but made some great points about the waste in the defense budget
Hillary is coming across as more shrill than normal

It’s the debates that suck.

They’ve made them so stupid and so common they mean nothing.

How about a Science and Technology debate?
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We imported India’s caste system while exporting our jobs

Richardson - No junk food in schools.

plastic @ 23:

L.A. Confidential @ 19:

Are they discussing this? Or what TV shows they watch.

Reuters - Thu Dec 13
LONDON (Reuters) - Investor delight at a concerted central bank effort to relieve jammed money markets fizzled out on Thursday with experts saying the credit crisis would only end when commercial banks trusted each other again.

no, they arent, but the republicans were all over it yesterday!

Whats Ironic is many Democrats are far wealthier then the Cons. No wonder they aren’t talking about it.

I hope the candidates answer some questions on this issue..

Five Days Left to Stop Big Media
http://action.freepress.net/campaign/ownership/

If we think big media is bad now, just think what will happen if “their new plan” goes through.

good point by obama about prescription drug companies, but he should have use it to hit hillary

Obama - great little speech there on change!

kucinich is singled out and discriminated against…. the one democrat that i actually respect…

this is completely unacceptable. pissed.

Erroll @ 9:

Another example of how Kucinich has been marginalized by those in power. Apparently the last thing that a very conservative state like Iowa desires to have happen is for a progressive voice like Kucinich’s to be heard alongside the rest of the mainstream Democrats.

Kucinich has been marginalized by his own irrelevance. What’s he polling? 0.5%? 1?

hahaha Edwards said something like “we should give this world as good as we left it” or something - everyone was cracking up

L.A. Confidential @ 28:

plastic @ 23:

L.A. Confidential @ 19:

Are they discussing this? Or what TV shows they watch.

Reuters - Thu Dec 13
LONDON (Reuters) - Investor delight at a concerted central bank effort to relieve jammed money markets fizzled out on Thursday with experts saying the credit crisis would only end when commercial banks trusted each other again.

no, they arent, but the republicans were all over it yesterday!

Whats Ironic is many Democrats are far wealthier then the Cons. No wonder they aren’t talking about it.

i was kidding about the republicans talking about that issue. they talked mostly about building fences and islamo facists.

Kucinich has been marginalized by his own irrelevance. What’s he polling? 0.5%? 1?

that’s cuz the mainstreamliberalfascist media manipulates the polls and hangs up on anyone who says “Kuchi-” (/sarcasm)

plastic @ 34:

L.A. Confidential @ 28:

plastic @ 23:

L.A. Confidential @ 19:
no, they arent, but the republicans were all over it yesterday!

Whats Ironic is many Democrats are far wealthier then the Cons. No wonder they aren’t talking about it.

i was kidding about the republicans talking about that issue. they talked mostly about building fences and islamo facists.

Ahh yes “The Fence and Terror Terror Terror”. I can just see it in 20 years. The President of Mexico saying to the U.S. Prez. “Mr Resident, in honor of your Great Communicator, I challenge you to tear down that fence.”

Representative Democracies, a la Western Europe, are usually diminished by plenty of American scholars as “Dictatorships of the many.”

However, I am about done with the American Democratic Republic system that hold the many hostage of the few. The whole Iowa bullshit electoral cycle proves that. No offense to Iowans, but the majority of Americans live in urban centers nearby the coasts. I think the electoral system should be able to pander to the interest of both urban and rural populations, we live in the XXI century and things have progressed quite a bit in the past 2 hundred years.

Tell you what, if the rural communities want to keep the current system which gives them an unfair strength of representation with respect to their overall population size… fine. But we should do the following, the rural areas/small states get to pick up the tab of the urban areas/bigger states, and us educated godless dirty hippie urbanite latte sipping yuppies get to pick theirs, OK?

DiggyG @ 32:

Erroll @ 9:

Another example of how Kucinich has been marginalized by those in power. Apparently the last thing that a very conservative state like Iowa desires to have happen is for a progressive voice like Kucinich’s to be heard alongside the rest of the mainstream Democrats.

Kucinich has been marginalized by his own irrelevance. What’s he polling? 0.5%? 1?

you don’t know what you are talking about. its that simple.

clinton will review every trade agreement. that should be some fun reading!

Silly rabbits, all of this campaigning stuff is just to provide a facade of “legitimacy” for a process that is completely rigged. The function of elections is simply to give people the illusion that they are participating. When all is said and done, who will be king is determined by American establishment elites. DK and MG are excluded because they keep raising inconvenient truths and want to step outside the box. Thank god the establishment protects us from such things. [snark]

I’m not really getting mad about Dennis not being there because I’ve seen enough of him and now it’s time to get serious. If you are thinking of voting Dennis vote for Obama or John instead, but it does seem strange that they let in a kook like Keyes and leave our eccentric Gravel out.

budda @ 41:

I’m not really getting mad about Dennis not being there because I’ve seen enough of him and now it’s time to get serious. If you are thinking of voting Dennis vote for Obama or John instead, but it does seem strange that they let in a kook like Keyes and leave our eccentric Gravel out.

I’d love to see Gravel and Keyes debate. I think Gravel might knock him out, literally.

Kucinich was not invited because he does not have a campaign office in Iowa. all candidates had to have an office rented in the state in order to be invited.
thats why Alan keyes WAS on the Rethug debate yesterday.

I was told that Dennis didn’t meet the criteria…I said “you mean he’s a real leader with a spine?” the woman on the phone said yes.

Boy I sure wish we lived somewhere that had freedom…like America is supposed to have.

But really there is no freedom in America, except as Bill Hicks onces said “You are free to do as we tell you!”

DiggyG @ 32:

Erroll @ 9:

Another example of how Kucinich has been marginalized by those in power. Apparently the last thing that a very conservative state like Iowa desires to have happen is for a progressive voice like Kucinich’s to be heard alongside the rest of the mainstream Democrats.

Kucinich has been marginalized by his own irrelevance. What’s he polling? 0.5%? 1?

CBSNEWS
“In the latest Register poll of likely Democratic caucus-goers in Iowa, Kucinich came in at 1 percent support, the same as Chris Dodd.
In the most recent CBS News/New York Times poll of Democrats
nationally, Kucinich had 2 percent support – more than Dodd and the
same as Bill Richardson and Joe Biden. Dodd, Richardson and Biden were all invited to Thursday’s debate.”

much more detailed info here
truly disappointing
Dennis Kucinich and Thursday’s Iowa Debate
by jeanhaybright
Wed Dec 12, 2007 at 08:15:52 AM PST

joe in oklahoma @ 43:

Kucinich was not invited because he does not have a campaign office in Iowa. all candidates had to have an office rented in the state in order to be invited.
thats why Alan keyes WAS on the Rethug debate yesterday.

The Federal Elections Commission recognizes that the Kucinich
campaign has paid staff in Iowa. The IRS recognizes the legitimacy of
a home office.

joe in oklahoma @ 43:

Kucinich was not invited because he does not have a campaign office in Iowa. all candidates had to have an office rented in the state in order to be invited.
thats why Alan keyes WAS on the Rethug debate yesterday.

oh….

thanks for the information. i was not aware of that qualification requirement.

I disagree with Richardson about Iraq being the single biggest issue in this election. The war is definitely a huge issue, but the taking away of our Constitutional rights never seems to be asked or talked about during these debates.

Mr. Pelicano @ 40:

Silly rabbits, all of this campaigning stuff is just to provide a facade of “legitimacy” for a process that is completely rigged. The function of elections is simply to give people the illusion that they are participating. When all is said and done, who will be king is determined by American establishment elites. DK and MG are excluded because they keep raising inconvenient truths and want to step outside the box. Thank god the establishment protects us from such things. [snark]

I concur

Any “Great Communicators” emerge?

Why Kucinich isn’t in the Democratic debate — sent by buzz since 10 hours 44 minutes, published about 2 hours 12 minutes
Six Democratic candidates for president will take the stage at 1 p.m. Thursday in the Des