Is it OK to say “F**K them all and let God sort them out”?
Oh, sorry, I was sounding like Cheney.

she is endorsed because she is an approved, branded, corporate product!! just like most people like to buy!! she is bought and is now being sold yo YOU!!

we should be screaming for kucinich but EDWARDS is the obvious choice!!

CHRIS-HARDBALL SEEMS TO DEGRADE SENATOR CLINTON AT EVERY TURN. I CAN’T LISTEN TO HIS PROGRAM ANY MORE.
GAH

I’m sorry, but I actually think people’s strong dislike of HRC most often has very little to do with the fact that she’s a woman and usually has much to do with the fact that she’s HRC. The hatred is real and it’s politically relevant because - bottom line: lots of people refuse to vote for her because the plain don’t like her - but it’s a complete cop-out if you credit sexism for the hatred and thereby suggest it’s a baseless feeling held by objectionable people.

Well, to be honest– I’ve yet to hear a Hillary Clinton supporter offer anything other than ’she’s got female genitalia’ as their reason for supporting her. Granted, I’ve met exceedingly few members of that legion of support the corporate media assures me she has, but still.

Is there any reason to support Hillary Clinton over any of the other candidates? “She’s a woman” just doesn’t fly for me, especially since it usually comes from people who claim to oppose sexism.

Chris was right.

Maybe not so much about the endorsement, but about her political wriggling.

This pathetic corporate/republican cocksucker lost his credibility with the Dubyah in the flight suit incident and the interview(?) with Coulter(one of the worst interviews ever). He is simply MSNBC’s O’Reilly. I will never watch or listen to this sorry fucker again.

I don’t mean to defend Tweety in saying this, but the program is called “Hardball” and the comment, while skirting the edges of mysogyny, aren’t really directed at Hillary as much as at Bill’s behavior.

But, I have to admit this is all more a form of entertainment than an adventure in critical thinking.

I found a surprisingly well reasoned assesment of “The Obama-Clinton Issue” from David Brooks (of PBS’ “Brooks and Shields”) at his NY Times Opinion page, here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12.....ref=slogin

Cat Atomic @ 5:

Well, to be honest– I’ve yet to hear a Hillary Clinton supporter offer anything other than ’she’s got female genitalia’ as their reason for supporting her. Granted, I’ve met exceedingly few members of that legion of support the corporate media assures me she has, but still.

Is there any reason to support Hillary Clinton over any of the other candidates? “She’s a woman” just doesn’t fly for me, especially since it usually comes from people who claim to oppose sexism.

Right on, Catatomic. Even my wife can’t give me a better reason for supporting Shrillary.

Some times I wonder if Chris is jealous of all women. What would that say about him?

Damned librul media!

How ’bout an Edwards/Dodd ticket?!!!

She sounds exactly like Bush.

That’s a good question, and questions are great, and I welcome these questions, and history voters will decide…

Dr. Matt @ 11:

Damned librul media!

This is what CNN considers “Breaking News” I just received this email from them
“Aruban prosecutors office says the three suspects in disappearance of Natalee Holloway will be not charged.”

Didn’t get anything like this from them yesterday when Sen. Dodd was talking his head off trying to save our Consitution.

More like the entertainment media than news media. It explains why so many people don’t know a damned thing important about this election and the candidates.

Personally I feel Obama is more ideal than concrete. And I’m an African American, though he does show a lot of hope, I think Clinton is better for the job. She been in the playing field during her husband terms, and became Senator by herself. A lot of the the people gonig for the election haven’t really been in the white house… she actually did, so I’ll say she has experience. On both sides of the field…

I do want to understand ‘why’ so many people hate her. The only reason i can think is the smeer on her through the years. Though I can understand if people prefer other people.. but irrational hatred and favorism isn’t going to do this country any good… I mean.. look who GOT into office based on that.

But.. i’m also for their proposal and how they acted.. not these ‘little’ tidbits of fluff.. such as he says she said etc.

Dr. Acula @ 9:

Cat Atomic @ 5:

Well, to be honest– I’ve yet to hear a Hillary Clinton supporter offer anything other than ’she’s got female genitalia’ as their reason for supporting her. Granted, I’ve met exceedingly few members of that legion of support the corporate media assures me she has, but still.

Is there any reason to support Hillary Clinton over any of the other candidates? “She’s a woman” just doesn’t fly for me, especially since it usually comes from people who claim to oppose sexism.

Right on, Catatomic. Even my wife can’t give me a better reason for supporting Shrillary.

eh.. she been in the white house with her husband for 8 years, and also managed to be Senator, slightly more experience than the other people running? I think that’s a reason.. you don’t even need someone to tell you.

Chris Matthews:

“No wienie… no likie”

Notice how the Hillary campaign’s attention to background props is eerily similar to Bush? Hillary is just like regular folk - she’s coming to us from a Diner!

First they exclude Gravel and Kucinich, then they endorse America’s Margaret Thatcher. This in a State where gay marriage, pornography and immigration are more important issues to the locals than ending the Iraq occupation, torture or the erosion of basic civil liberties. There’s a reason for people leaving Iowa.

I truly feel sorry for the person on your staff who has to watch these programs…their therapy or liquor bills must be astounding…

This is just a test. I couldn’t post yesterday, and I wanted to congratulate Dodd in the worst way.

Well … Chris is ready to state Mitt Romney looks presidential because of his chin, and Chris thinks he’s defying the aging process by being an eternal platinum blond, so cut ‘em some slack.

I can’t stand Shillary, but Tweety is annoying with this and just about any issue he talks about. He needs to apologize but he will never do so.

I like Kucinich and Dodd, if one of them doesn’t get the nomination I will not vote for a Dem, the rest are pathetic. Where were the other candidate yesterday? What Dodd did was brilliant, what Obama and Shillary did by not showing up for such an important debate makes it clear they’re not leaders just whores. Shillary is not even close to the progressive we need to lead us out of the cold winter the Dumbya Regime has created, she is pathetic.

Question Blog @ 2:

she is endorsed because she is an approved, branded, corporate product!! just like most people like to buy!! she is bought and is now being sold yo YOU!!

we should be screaming for kucinich but EDWARDS is the obvious choice!!

I agree on all counts,but that still doesn’t excuse Tweety’s macho women hating behavior.

This is such a bunch of crap. Hillary isn’t being attacked because she is a woman. She is being attacked because she is a crap candidate. She wriggles, she squirms,SHE NEVER ANSWERS A QUESTION.

We need turds like her representing the Democratic party like we need Joe Lieberman…who by the way SHE ENDORSED…remember. Remember her fundraiser of good ole Joe?

This post was not focus group tested. Unlike Hillary.

Thanks for raising this point, C&L. Whether or not one supports Hillary or agrees with her positions on healthcare, the economy, or veterans’ benefits, it is fair to point out that the MSM has been wildly inappropriate with characterizations of her laugh (referring to it as a “cackle”), her clothing, her sounding “strident”, her seeming “cold”. These characterizations are sexist. None of the men running in either party are subjected to the same demeaning analysis.

CLINTON SUPPORTERS: please take note.

If mushy brained mid-roader types like Tweety go ballistic over Hillary, you need to ask yourself, how is this going to play with the rest of America, most of whom are VASTLY less informed than Tweety and a frightfully large number of them believe in fairytales like resurrection and the Rapture?

Face it: She’s not going to win. The Hillary obsession syndrome is already making their little brains boil. If she gets the nomination, it’ll be all out war. A war she will lose. And if the Dems don’t win in 08, the USA will cease being even a dysfunctional democratic republic, nad simply collapse into a twitchy fascist nightmare.

So: hold onto Hillary and walk into the ovens, or, dump hillary and take the country back from these fascist pigfuckers.

It’s up to you.

As for the hatred towards HRC, it’s a mystery. She has done nothing to warrant it other than be an active participant in the system while First Lady and an exceptionally strong and focused politician as a US senator and presidential candidate. The qualities she possesses would be admired in any man. The problem is that the media have not found the proper linguistic footing on how to deal with her candidacy. And neither have the candidates. When the woman asked how to “beat the bitch” not only should McCain have verbally bitch-slapped her, but should have taken the opportunity to say that such characterizations are not only an insult to HRC but to him as a presidential candidate. This is the sad state we live in today’s political climate. Whoever has the edgier, more inflammatory soundbite gets noticed. It rubs off on voters who want to be heard. We allow this kind of thing to happen. We actually praise it by publicizing it without condemning it.

http://13martyrs.blogspot.com/

Pawsie @ 15:

Personally I feel Obama is more ideal than concrete. And I’m an African American, though he does show a lot of hope, I think Clinton is better for the job. She been in the playing field during her husband terms, and became Senator by herself. A lot of the the people gonig for the election haven’t really been in the white house… she actually did, so I’ll say she has experience. On both sides of the field…

I do want to understand ‘why’ so many people hate her. The only reason i can think is the smeer on her through the years. Though I can understand if people prefer other people.. but irrational hatred and favorism isn’t going to do this country any good… I mean.. look who GOT into office based on that.

But.. i’m also for their proposal and how they acted.. not these ‘little’ tidbits of fluff.. such as he says she said etc.

There are definitely a lot of people that hate her, but there’s also a lot of people that are just tired of her. She’s been hogging the spotlight for 15 years now. As for her white house experience, check the parody of Sicko of her after the health care debacle. It’s a joke of course, but all indications are that after the early years she eased into a more traditional first lady role. Meanwhile, Obama was doing substitantive work during his entire professional life as far as I can tell.

I dismiss Chris Matthews.

I dismiss Chris Matthews and Hillary Clinton

liberalista @ 26:

Thanks for raising this point, C&L. Whether or not one supports Hillary or agrees with her positions on healthcare, the economy, or veterans’ benefits, it is fair to point out that the MSM has been wildly inappropriate with characterizations of her laugh (referring to it as a “cackle”), her clothing, her sounding “strident”, her seeming “cold”. These characterizations are sexist. None of the men running in either party are subjected to the same demeaning analysis.

And about her healthcare ideas?? They REALLY suck. She is in the pocket of Big Pharma and the health insurance industry. Of course Tweety has zero capability to discuss the issues and just spews his dislike for women, what a complete putz.

Matthews’ anti-woman bias has been evident to me for a long time. He talks over his female guests consistently (watch him for a while and you’ll see it) in order to let his male guests go on and on-
after all, they’re the only ones who matter.

Matthews entire show is now based on his hatred for the Clintons. They can do nothing right in his eyes. He, in his demented way thinks that they are the major issue of the day.

The entire time, he lets the neo con war mongering idiots get by with murder.

He should be fired….

He doesn’t deliver the news…he just bashes the Clintons. We have an entire network set up for that already.

well after all… carol hunter is from iowa and is therefore completely unimportant. tweety lives inside the beltway and shares cocktail wienies with all the other villagers. that obviously makes his opinion more valid and much, much more important!

James Izzard @ 34:

Matthews entire show is now based on his hatred for the Clintons. They can do nothing right in his eyes. He, in his demented way thinks that they are the major issue of the day.

The entire time, he lets the neo con war mongering idiots get by with murder.

He should be fired….

He doesn’t deliver the news…he just bashes the Clintons. We have an entire network set up for that already.

And if Shillary gets elected she will also let the neocon warmongering madmen do their thing, she is so far from progressive why any good patriot would support her is astounding.

Like water is wet, fire is hot and and bears are hairy,
CHRIS MATTHEWS IS DISHONEST SCUM.

Fact, that.

Vic @ 36:

James Izzard @ 34:

Matthews entire show is now based on his hatred for the Clintons. They can do nothing right in his eyes. He, in his demented way thinks that they are the major issue of the day.

The entire time, he lets the neo con war mongering idiots get by with murder.

He should be fired….

He doesn’t deliver the news…he just bashes the Clintons. We have an entire network set up for that already.

And if Shillary gets elected she will also let the neocon warmongering madmen do their thing, she is so far from progressive why any good patriot would support her is astounding.

OOps ….why any patriot would support her is annoying.

hillary is delusional a la LIEberman. She still tries to hide behind operatives a la boosh. our commentator/lady is as flipfloppy as they come. that is quite fitting for hillary. nebulous, non-committal, disingenuous, equivocating.

I don’t hate her.
I hate her politics, pretense and it’s obvious that cnn and the desmoines register did what they could to promote hillary as the de facto pre-winner.

dodd and kucinich are the only ones who appear to actively support the Constitution.

hillobamiden doesn’t come close.

I hate timmeh, but I admit he is right for calling hillary on her shit. she keeps trying to duck criticism while her people toss daggers at the opponents.

matthews in nothing more than a used piece of repiglican shit paper ..

CoIntelPro @ 39:

I hate timmeh, but I admit he is right for calling hillary on her shit. she keeps trying to duck criticism while her people toss daggers at the opponents.

can’t argue with that!

Oh, and another thing. My sister, a Republican, detects an anti-female bias out there in some attacks on Hillary. And she isn’t voting for Hillary. But she thinks it’s there. As a female in a once-male dominated industry, my sister saw subtle and not-so-subtle misogynistic stuff out there for years and became very attuned to it.

wtf dont you understand about hillery? she dont bake cookies , shes not like tammy winett , she dont stand by her man! but she has prommised to leave troops in iraq to defend that piece of shit embassy, and to train more iraqys and to keep an quick reaction force to go after alkida , and shes sucks off the corporations fer them green bucks , while old horndog bills out playing the back nine with his good friend poppy bush! babs is planning on adopting both bill and hillery when they become the first familly and shoveing gw in a shit shute at kenny bunkport!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hmm, I thought all the Neanderthals had died off. Guess not.

Face it, the Tweety-watching and BOR-watching folks don’t have to have a good reason to believe anything, they hear “Hate Hillary” and their knees jerk in reaction b/c it fits their biases and fears.

There are way plenty of men in this world who can’t stand the thought of being “ruled by a woman” (goes against the Bible) and will dump all over her just b/c she’s a she. They go no farther than that.

I haven’t decided who I’ll vote for yet, prob. Edwards or Kucinich or Dodd, b/c of what they stand for.

See, “they” have ruled out Kucinich JUST B/C HE’S A SHORT MAN!!! I swear that’s the main reason. Personal perceptions and biases are extremely powerful. Underestimate them at your peril.

Judge Hillary on her record, not her ‘nads.

jamieson is right. One of my big concerns about Clinton is the right’s ability to traffic in sexist language with impunity for exactly the reasons Jamieson identified. This, in my view, will cost Clinton in the general election in ways that Obama’s race will not cost him.

Whether you like or don’t like Clinton, comments like Matthews’ are truly contrary to progressive politics.