Huckabee flip flops on immigration again: Now he wants to send "children back to Mexico, but then says not really" Huh?
By John Amato Saturday Dec 29, 2007 5:40pm
OK, so Huck is flopping around on immigration because the hard core wingnut base of the GOP doesn't like his stance on giving kids that were born in the country some protections because they are US citizens. And he said that if all illegal immigrants were deported. the American economy would collapse.
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Huckabee: In all due respect, we're a better country than to punish children for what their parents did. We're a better country than that.
What a nice position to have. Fooled ya! After that debate he came out with a new plan that calls for sending all illegal immigrants home---including their children that in his words---would "collapse" our economy. But if the children are American citizens, how can he do that? Wouldn't that be terribly destructive to them? Ahhh, compassionate conservatism. Is this how a Christian warrior treats "children?" Timmeh calls him on it pretty good....
RUSSERT: "Don't punish those kids." A week later, you said, "No, no, no, send the parents home," and what happens to the kids?
HUCKABEE: They go with their parents. I mean, I can't imagine a parent not taking their children...
RUSSERT: But they're American citizens. Why do they have to leave the country?
HUCKABEE: Because they're--first, before they're American citizens, they're the children of their parents.
RUSSERT: But aren't we a "better country," to quote someone, than that?
HUCKABEE: No, I did not send them home. They will go home within 120-day window, and then they have the process of starting to return.
RUSSERT: But that's 15 million people. You're saying to do that would collapse the American economy, and now that's exactly what you're proposing.
HUCKABEE: No, I don't think it would collapse the American economy if people went back and did their process of becoming legal. And all of them aren't going to go back on the same day. There's going to be a window of time. How long it's going to take for them to come back, I don't know
Huckabee still says we're a better country than that! He then says he's not sending them home, but he is...Right? Oh, they get a chance to come back some day. But he doesn't have any kind of time frame, just ship 12-15 million people out of the country at an astronomical cost that would probably take years to accomplish and as he said earlier---collapse our economy. He does manage to get a "God" reference into the discussion too....I'm just baffled...(transcript below the fold)
GOV. HUCKABEE: In all due respect, we're a better country than to punish children for what their parents did. We're a better country than that.
MR. RUSSERT: "We're a better country than punishing children for what their"...
GOV. HUCKABEE: Mm-hmm.
MR. RUSSERT: ..."parents did."
GOV. HUCKABEE: I still believe that, yeah.
MR. RUSSERT: But a week later, after that comment, you came out with this: "The Secure America Plan."
GOV. HUCKABEE: Mm-hmm.
MR. RUSSERT: "Propose to provide all illegal immigrants a 120-day window to register with the Bureau of Citizenship" "Immigration Services and leave the country. Those who register" "return to their home country will face no penalty if they later apply," "those who do not return home will be, when caught, barred from future re-entry for a period of 10 years." Children born here are American citizens.
GOV. HUCKABEE: Mm-hmm.
MR. RUSSERT: And you were saying that.
GOV. HUCKABEE: Mm-hmm.
MR. RUSSERT: "Don't punish those kids." A week later, you said, "No, no, no, send the parents home," and what happens to the kids?
GOV. HUCKABEE: They go with their parents. I mean, I can't imagine a parent not taking their children...
MR. RUSSERT: But they're American citizens. Why do they have to leave the country?
GOV. HUCKABEE: Because they're--first, before they're American citizens, they're the children of their parents.
MR. RUSSERT: But aren't we a "better country," to quote someone, than that?
GOV. HUCKABEE: Let me be very clear. I stand beside my statement, but here's what we have to do to fix the immigration problem. We've got to seal our border, something our government has been dysfunctional and failed to do. It's also very clear the American people are not going to tolerate people who have gotten here illegally to get in the front of the line. The only way they can get into the back of the line is to go back to the point of origin, to get behind that line, and then modernize that line so it shouldn't take eight years to process a piece of paper to get people the necessary paperwork to be able to do that.
MR. RUSSERT: But, Governor, this is, this is important, because this is what you said back in 2005. "Responding to a question about illegal aliens, Huckabee said `our economy would collapse' without them."
GOV. HUCKABEE: Mm-hmm.
MR. RUSSERT: Do you believe that?
GOV. HUCKABEE: I think it would be very, very difficult to do construction and agriculture without them. That's why we need a policy that puts everyone in this country in a legal position. And, Tim, let me, let me go further.
MR. RUSSERT: But, this, this is...
GOV. HUCKABEE: Let me explain why.
MR. RUSSERT: ...important, because your plan says send them all home.
GOV. HUCKABEE: No, I did not send them home. They will go home within 120-day window, and then they have the process of starting to return.
MR. RUSSERT: But that's 15 million people. You're saying to do that would collapse the American economy, and now that's exactly what you're proposing.
GOV. HUCKABEE: No, I don't think it would collapse the American economy if people went back and did their process of becoming legal. And all of them aren't going to go back on the same day. There's going to be a window of time. How long it's going to take for them to come back, I don't know. But part of the process, the first process, if you read my entire plan, is seal the border. Seal the border. If you don't do that, then you don't have any control of who's here, why they're here and what they're doing. This process has to be modernized. It's our government that's been dysfunctional.
Tim, I stand by many of the state--all of the statements I've made, and one of them has been, let's thank God we live in a country people are trying to break into, not one they're trying to break out of. But let's have a rule of law. Let's make everyone live by it. And let me tell you why I believe my plan is not only a plan that respects the rule of law, but I think it's the most humane plan. Because nobody living in this country ought to live with his head down, ought to live in the shadows, ought to live in fear, ought to live every day looking if there's a police car or a border patrol, running and hiding. I want people to live in this country with their heads up. I want them to be able to, if they're going to work here, to work legally. I want them to be able to pay the same taxes, live under the same laws, and also to be able to have the kind of sense of liberty that this country is bound by. That's what we're trying to achieve. Let's not forget that our federal government has made a mess of this. As a governor, I had to deal with their mess, and I believe, as president, one of the highest priorities is to fix the problem.
A fiip or a flop. His supporters will follow him blindly over the edge.
flipit de flop.........God talked to him and told him to send them home.....so they can come back.
there has been at least one instance of a town getting what it wished for by driving out all of the immigrants, illegal and legal. Their economy did collapse, because with the immigrants come businesses that provide goods and services to those people and not to mention the fact that they are willing to do jobs that American's are not willing to do. Mexicans aren't pushing anyone out of the way to pluck chickens or pick fruit.
This is just another hateful republican issue. The mexicans are the new blacks. Use them to stir up the hatred of white people, (because that is what republicans do) to get votes.
I think Huckabee would rather take the children out into a field in Iowa and hunt them down. Nothing would inspire the GOP base more than hunting Chicanos for Jesus.
Yeah, it all sounds righteous and tough until you start working out the logistics of it, don't it Mike?
Huckleberry: "Let’s thank God we live in a country people are trying to break into, not one they’re trying to break out of."
Not if the Republicans have their way.
Oh, and somewhere in Germantown, MD, Michelle Malkin's head just popped...again.
Huck didn't flip-flop; that would imply that he had some idea what he was saying in the first place. You can't change a mind you don't have.
If a president of the United States claimed he guided the country based on the voice of God he heard through his hairdryer it would be a national emergency. I fail to see how removing the hairdryer makes it any less so.
This guy is a mess. He will say anything to get a single vote.
foolme1ns @ 3:
Mexicans are not the new blacks. They were not forced to come here, they pay smugglers to sneak them in here. If Mexicans don't like white Americans, they should go back to Mexico. Your last phrase is very telling, "the hatred of white people."
How are Mexicans going to live in the U. S. if they think all white people are hateful? I'll tell you how, they think they are going to take over the United States because they are really the racist bigots, they don't like Americans or American culture.
BTW: There aren't any jobs Americans won't do. That's just a stupid framing technique perfected by La Raza.
"I mean, I can't imagine a parent not taking their children..."
cute. presidential candidates who presume absolutes. what about the dozens, or hundreds, or thousands, or tens of thousands, or hundreds of thousands or more, who DON'T go home with their parents Mike?
what about the children who don't want to go back to Mexico, Mike, but the parents attempt to force them?
he really hasn't thought this one through, has he. Mike Huckabee's a damn moron. short sighted moron, with no backup strategy.
is he seriously suggesting people have 120 days, to leave the country, then re-enter the country, with 100% of them taking children who all willingly want to temporarily turn their backs on their US citizenships and educations?
moron.
"Let’s not forget that our federal government has made a mess of this."
Excuse me, WHO'S federal government made a mess of this? You mean, the REPUBLICAN federal government? Oh, that's what I thought you said.
I hope Huckleberry gets the nomination. He won't carry one blue state Kerry carried in the last election plus he'd scare off a couple of the red states putting the election out of reach of the anti-democratic conservative activist judges on the supreme court.
who in the hell cares what this moron has to say????? havent we heard enough of him to already know for a FACT that hes not the guy to be trusted to lead this country?
RichStraightWhiteAmericanMale @ 13:
It's the Republican/Norquist doctrine. Gut government down to the size to "drown it in the bathtub" and then when the cuts you made cause the government not to function you use the ineffectiveness you caused as an excuse to blame the government for not functioning allowing you to justify further cuts.
These sinister bastards know exactly what they're doing.
thawed out cavemanist Huck always has the deer in the headlights look
the huckster has signed on bush foreign policy disaster john bolton to his campaign, looks like another neocon in sheeps clothing...well, at least now it's out in the open.
For more background on Mike Huckabee the dangerous extremist and radical reactionary, see:
- "Top 10 Moments in Mike Huckabee's Extremism."
- "10 More Moments in Mike Huckabee's Extremism."
The greatest commandment from the Good Book. From the Gospels of Mark (12:28–34) and of Matthew (22:34-40):
1.One should love God with one's entire heart, soul, mind, and strength.
AND
2. One should love one's neighbor as one would love oneself.
Maybe Huckabee never finished reading.
This Moron is leading in the polls on the GOPig side. ROTFLMAO. The insanity shall still reigh supreme in republican party. I hadn't really realized how many imbeciles and ingnoramuses lived in my country. The inmates are running the asylums.
I think Huckabee
is starting to collapse
heh...
This man is a caricature of Bush... like he's had too much sugar.
kaT @ 11:
"There aren't any jobs Americans won't do???? How many Americans do you see lined up in front of the chicken plucking plants to get less than minimum wage? Hell, teenagers think they are too good to work at McDonalds, you think they are going to pluck chickens, or slaughter pigs on slave wages? Yes there are jobs Americans won't do.
Well it's happened. The bar has been set so low by CheneyBushCo, Huckabee thinks he has enough grey matter to be Preznit.
All Huckabee has to do is deny the holocaust and he'll be the next president.
I seig Huckabee.
huckabee has no chance. never has and never will.
the only GOPer with a chance is hillary.
that is why ruppert murdoch is helping her fund raise.
iowa is going to hillary as we speak, thanks to her al-cia-duh buddy bin laden.
just like with g.w., bin laden tapes give the establishment candidate the surge they need.
somehow C&L bloggers haven't picked up on it.
The funny thing is Huckleberry will get the nod before RP does......which is a good thing....either way it would be easy to rip them up in the general election....but Huckleberry seems easier to me.
Huckabee should go back to being a preacher. Most Baptists never question what their preachers tell them. It's a much easier job.
The only reason Tim was so hard on Huckabee, is because he isn't one of them. The very fact that he believes he is a true Christian scares the bejeesus out of the monied republicans who have just been using christians to get votes all these years. They knew it was just a ruse, but Huckabee is dangerous to them because he really believes that jesus crap. He won't be there just to look after business interests. He is unpredictable, unlike Romney and Guiliani. He just might upset the apple cart.
I used to actually believe there could be no-one less qualified and more simple-minded than George W. Bush to run your country. I was wrong.
craig @ 27:
That's why I won't vote for Hillary. She is just more of the same and that is exactly what we don't need right now. Edwards is on top of the economic collapse that is coming. He has been watching it and speaking about it for years. He and Dodd would make a good team. Dodd to restore the Constitution and Edwards to start repairing the economy.
I wonder what his little imaginary friend Jesus thinks about his lack of compassion.
Huckleberry wants to criminalize abortion and penalize doctors..........ok....uhuh!
foolme1ns @ 24:
Ummm...not so much anymore. I know many young adults with college educations who have not been able to move up from a Starbuck's job. It's very different today from a generation ago where, even if you weren't able to have the career of your dreams, you could often depend on getting a job with a company that would allow for promotions within that company.
mudshark @ 28:
I agree with you totally. I want Huckabee to get the nomination as he has a preacher's chance in hell to win the presidency. WTF happened to separation of church and state!? Thanks to people like him, Bush admin, and their skullduggery, I no longer believe there is a God. Religion is for the weak, the weak-minded, those with low self-esteem. They don't and won't take responsibility for their own actions and direct their own lives. If ill befalls, its the will of God. Not that they are responsible for their own undoing. If it was up to Hucksters, the earth would still be flat, computers would not exist, and we would have to kill our own supper.
Huckabee don't know What The F**kabee he thinks!
Canuknotusa @ 30:
Don't be so smug my friend. It is easy to stand on the banks and throw stones. Whoever leads our country, your leaders will be licking his (or her) butt. We are all at risk here.
Lack of respect for the rule of law vastly increases the possibility of tragedy. That axiom was proven on a fateful day in October after one American family’s tragic encounter with an immigrant who had made a mockery of the rule of law by coming to America illegally. Because of that choice to evade the law, lives were shattered.
In a letter in the editorial section of the Times-Republican, Mona Kilborn of Marshalltown, Iowa described the tragedy her family suffered. In her own words:
Looking for a better life? By Mona Kilborn
Many of us have heard the often repeated phrase, "They are just looking for a better life" referring to the illegal aliens flooding into the U.S. That may be true for some — we don’t know — but for some it is absolutely false. Case in point — our family’s experience with an illegal
The date: October 7, 2007. Place: 18th Ave. and Anson St., Marshalltown. Event: An illegal alien with a fake driver’s license ran 2 stop signs, crossed 3 lanes, and broadsided us at a high rate of speed and rolled our van over. My Mother: Dead. My husband: Broken back, broken hand, 4 broken ribs, many lacerations including glass still embedded in his face. My Dad: Eight crushed ribs, abdominal injuries and surgery, dead spouse. Myself: Dead Mother, lacerations, broken ribs. Another passenger with us — lacerations.
Now for the consequences. For the illegal alien driving — a stop sign violation. The fine — $0. Apparently when one is looking for a better life there is no money for fines! For the owner of the vehicle allowing someone to drive without a license — fines and court costs totaling $182. Apparently ICE (Immigration Customs Enforcement) took the driver and we assume she was deported. We have no closure as we don’t even know what happened to the woman who killed my mother. The court record states that she no longer requires supervised probation (for a prior charge) since she is out of the country. We do wonder if she is back in the US with new fake papers. We probably will never know. When others have been deported we hear wailing about families being separated. Our family was broken. In our case the illegal alien was into family disruption — our family. So we are left holding the bag — medically, emotionally and financially.
The consequences for our family have been somewhat higher! Already the medical costs are approaching a half million dollars. The amount of pain, both physical and emotional is beyond description. Family and friends have to deal with the loss of my mother — a very vibrant and active woman. My Dad has lost his soul mate and now lives with us as he recovers. Dad spent 2 weeks at the University of Iowa and endured surgery, ICU and unbelievable pain. My husband had surgery for his broken back, spent 2 weeks in the hospital and now 2 months after surgery is still working hard to recover. The lifelong implications are still unknown. I took a month off work and still provide care for my Dad and husband. As for the teen with us — who knows what the psychological consequences are? Plus the amount of paperwork for insurance is nearly a full-time job. Another hidden cost is the disability that my husband’s employer pays while he can’t work.
So the next time you hear the phrase "they’re just looking for a better life," you might just wonder at whose expense. We accessed the Iowa Court online public information. What a list of charges we found for the driver and the owner of the vehicle that hit us. There was a long list including but not limited to methamphetamine, OWI twice, assault causing bodily injury, child endangerment — multiple charges, passing a stopped school bus, disorderly conduct, failure to have a valid license — the driver of the vehicle (to solve that she got a fake license), failure to have a valid license (multiple charges for the owner of the vehicle), serious assault, no insurance, failure to have vehicle registration, etc. When illegal aliens br
6. 12/30/2007 11:41:12 AM, enforcemnt, tulsa
I would be very concerned as many think they can keep a low proffile here in a state with many small out of the way towns and lots of rual unchecked jobs. In addition to the floods of illegals leaving Arizona becasue of its new employer laws which every state in this nation need to adopt. . Just imagine how many good legal citizens are being pushed to unemployment becasue illigals work for a lower wage and dont complain about insurance and like to be paid under-the-table as employers then dont have to report all of their earnings or payments. We as a state need to follow Arizonas example and put into place simuliar laws for operating license revocation for illigals being hired into the company. hit the illigals in the money hole without creating profiling all people having to prove citizenship for employmnet and hit the employers that take advantage of that work force. take a look at Arizonas new laws they are quite impressive in regards to illigal immigration supression.Added to the laws better documentaion less forgery prone documents bio-metric data included and removing the social security form of identification from usage are still needed to avoid fake or forged documents but its a huge start if they cant earn the money to buy the documnts by working illigaly then they cant buy the forged documents.
MS @ 37:
Canookistan......could you please give me an example of when Canada took the lead in international affairs.........when exactly was the first and last time Canada took the lead...I'm sure there are atleast 50 examples you can name.
Beyond the whole totally terrifying mega-religiosity angle, the more I read and listen to the "substance" of Huckabee's words, ideals, message, etc., the bigger an idiot he appears to be. It says everything that he's gaining traction.
Canuknotusa @ 30:
I know what you mean. I think they're about on the same level of simplemindedness, but Georgie now has experience that I hope Huckabee never gets.
Larry.....sorry bud....sorry for your loss.......
mudshark @ 39:
Canookistan......could you please give me an example of when Canada took the lead in international affairs.........when exactly was the first and last time Canada took the lead...I'm sure there are atleast 50 examples you can name.
We should follow Canada's lead, IMHO.
Cantor de Mambo @ 41:
Do you really believe that Bush is in control? He's the marionette. The puppetmaster is the brilliant one. The "machine" that puts the blank face on the devilry that drives the vehicle of control. This is what happens when democracy runs afoul with the soil of organized religion.
Flip-flopping? Little choice when you're trying to sucker the public whilst simultaneously chuggin' on that CFR chode:
"The Council clued in its members that Huckabee was an acceptable candidate with a November 9 Washington Post op-ed by CFR Senior Fellow Michael J. Gerson entitled “The Huckabee Difference.” In the article, Gerson complimented Huckabee’s “compassion,” as exemplified by his record of government programs for the poor while he was governor. Gerson is the author of Heroic Conservatism, published by the CFR, which attempts to redefine political conservatism into a philosophical view that promotes government as the solution to poverty, rather than the traditional conservative view that individual charity, private charitable organizations, churches, and the free market are better fitted for assisting and uplifting those in need. Before joining the CFR staff in 2006, Gerson had been a chief policy adviser and speechwriter for President George W. Bush."
Huckabee = status quo = the devil's plaything.
I dunno...Huckabee sounds to me just like all the other politicians - say whatever it takes to appease the base and get the nomination, then say whatever it takes to please the voters and get elected, then once in office, do whatever it takes to stay there. All candidates on both sides are doing this. And all the candidates get tripped up sometimes.
mudshark @ 42:
Sorry for Mona Kilborn's loss, that is. Larry's just being anti-immigrant. Unfortunately, the driver could just as well have been a cranked up, uninsured citizen.
We need to make sure that people have licenses and insurance, irrespective of their immigrant status. Universal health care would also be a great thing.
We also need to change our immigration policies to reduce illegal immigration. If we really don't want to increase legal immigration to match business demand, we need to start putting business people in jail who hire undocumented workers. If we want immigrants to provide cheap labor, then we need to increase legal immigration and make sure immigrants are integrated into society with insurance, drivers licenses, and health care.
MS @ 44:
Well, he is the president and he is a simpleton, albeit a managed one. Nonetheless, I don't see the hand of a "brilliant puppet master" in his presidency.
Patriot Scholar @ 46:
Are you a scholar of patriotism or a scholar who's a patriot?
He does sound like a politician, but dumber.
15 Million people, given 120 days to register and leave the country...hmmmm. That's, approximately 125,000 people a day, or 5,209 per hour in a 24 hour period. That's gonna be one huge processing center, he better start building it now, and pray that the people who set up the Motor Vehicle Department are not the ones running the registration.
Cantor de Mambo @ 48:
You only need look to see. Perhaps your relevance on this subject stops here. Only the blind don't see the mass of the base of this virtual iceberg. It seems to me that you don't live in the United States. I say this as you don't seem to have the grasp of those immersed in the swill that is our current government. You need to "be the creature" and feel the sting of your own. Like a parent consuming its own young.
As long as Mike 'Jaaayyysus' Huckabee keeps saying GOD and keeps having xenophobia and myopia syndrome, he will do just fine with the white old-fart evangelical con-servative part of this country.
Well, I don't know about you, but if Mike is a woman, I would call him the dumbest white xenophic and myopic bimbo on the planet who is more than willing to kiss every white old-far evangelical con-servative's ass that walks in this US of A.
Gomer Pyle is an idiot.
Geez.
fuckabee needs to go back to whatever country his relations came from.....oh but he protests, he's an american citizen......well, fuck you fuckabee, so are all the children born in American. you and your fucking hypocrite
compassionate christianbastards should just shut the fuck up and leave our country. fuckabee is just one more fascist neocon.Ruthless People @ 9:
Didn't bush say he heard a message from God? I never thought one party could have so many people with major personality disorders
take care
tony and guidedog Lido
"RUSSERT: But that’s 15 million people."
Last week, while checking out RawStory, I came across a comment by someone who lives in the Northwest U.S.. This person said that they knew someone at Gunderson, a railway car manufacturer, who told this RawStory commenter that the U.S. government (Bush/Cheney/Chertoff) had placed an order for enough railway cars to handle "15 million" people...empty railway cars except for rows of shackles on the walls.
Shades of the Nazis and their use of rail cars to transport millioins of Jews, and others, to death camps, often separating children from their parents, just as Huckabee and the hardcore base of the Republican Party wants to do.
When I heard this "15 million" figure used by this commenter, I figured these railway cars were intended from transporting illegal immigrants out of the country, probably in the middle of the night, after they'd been arrested en masse.
Of course, based on one commenter and something they heard, there is no proof...but after the "secret rendition program" established by the worst and most corrupt administration in American history (which used CIA-flown jets), it is not hard to imagine this secret immigrant rendition program being in the works, especially since the U.S. railway system would be the only way possible to move "15 million" people out of the U.S. in a relatively short time.
We've all known for some time that the neo-con Republicans are really neo-Fascists, but if this story is true, then the neo-con Republicans are also neo-Nazis.
If, on the far chance that dingleberry is elected(?) president, which he won't be, but just supposing he is elected, I'm leaving. I'm leaning that way anyway but his election will give me the kick in the pants to really do it. I refuse to stay here and be jesus-fied by a fucking nazi.
What a talent Huckelberry is... he can contradict himself within two sentences... and smile right thru it... and then say he was taken out of context... and THEN describe the same context he had taken in the first place!
This man is a DANGEROUS POL. "It was just a bookshelf." he said to Timmeh this morning... hiding his original agenda... closeting his real goals... lying about his positions... speaking in code for his base... JUST LIKE BUSH.
mudshark @ 39:
Canada takes the lead in "Minding it's own fucking business."
When are you guys going to take the lead?
MS @ 37:
Smug?
Am I the only smug one here?
If you aren't standing on the bank throwing stones, then am I to understand you are a candidate for your presidency?
A$$h*le!
mudshark @ 39:
OK.
Try this.
http://www.ciss.ca/ppc.htm
mudshark @ 39:
How about when Chretien refused to aid you in your criminal invasion of Iraq.
That one alone trumps every action the U.S.A. has taken over the past 50 years.
Nowhere near as venal as Bush, just as stupid, and a shitty bass player.
Anytime Russert would tag him on one of his lies, distortion or lack of knowledge that the Washington Post printed today, he'd try to cut-off Russert as if to blunt the sting of the message.
Huckabee is a modern day Pharisee whom like the biblical version in Jesus's day, preached the word of god, acted as decider on morality, theology, but whom in reality were hypocrites, greedy men/women whom used religion for profit, greed, ambitions of power and status, it is no coincidence that Huckabee was a under study too a televangelist [the false prophets of today whom preach prosperity religion too their congregations for self enrichment], Huckabee proved his hypocrisy and false prophet credentials when he dodged the question during the debates "what would Jesus do on death penalty issue, with a joke, that Jesus would be too smart too run for political office, it got huge laughs from his fans, and fellow right wingers...., who pay lip service too Jesus's teachings, but if Jesus were here today, he would confront the Huckabee's and their false prophets the televangelists the same way he confronted their biblical counter parts in his day, the Pharisee's whom brought the condemened adultress before him trying too trick him into contradicting gods and mans law of the time calling for her stoning to death, Huckabee brags on his law and order credentials putting death row inmates too death during his tenure of Governor, quite a contradiction to Jesus's teachings, views, that is why he dodged the question, with a joke, so one could ask what would Jesus do on the poor illegal immigrant issue, would he be with the racist, bigoted minute men, on our southern border, or with the hard liners in the right and left who want them arrested, deported, or would Jesus be there giving aide, comfort, food, water and ministering too these poor fleeing poverty....! I have no doubt Huckabee and his fans/ilk would come up with a joke, or flip flop answer as too why their view is christian, but I venture too bet on judgment day all those who ignored the poor, hungry, naked those sick and in prison will have a rude awakening they are unknown too Jesus, and it will be the shock and awe of their lives, that Jesus does not know them or their hypocrisy...! You cannot have it both ways, either you follow Jesus teachings or not, lip service is for the blind biblical goats whom even god will be so disgusted with he will not even look upon them on that fate full day...
kaT @ 11:
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No kidding. The guy I know that pumps septic tanks? American (white if that matters... but I don't think we should hold that against him, do you?). Pig farmer I know (filthy, stinking job)? American (white also). Garbage men? Yep. Actually it is a big part of our culture. Americans will gladly dig through any muck, if it is profitable. It's one of our specialties. Similarity, Mexican immigrants that are legal, and learn English do just about anything in this country as well. Some of the brightest and hard working CPAs (accountants) I've worked with were either not American, or dual-citizens.
Basically, the bullshit about "American's won't do jobs" boils down to race baiting. And false. I wouldn't fall for it were I you. I say that having stood around in Colorado for day labor pickup with no one, I mean NOBODY, that spoke any English at all. Seemed like a good bunch of guys. I'm 100% positive that none of them were legal. Of course, I speak English (kinda goodly) so I was able to jump on a job that opened up after 2 weeks of that to pay for food and lodging. It was a tough time in my life, and no, there wasn't any goddamn job I turned down. It was hard, honest work, and my body could take it then. If I hadn't had that option, I'd have been in big trouble. I wonder if it would work for me now, without connections, and not being "in the group" (not that my back will take it). I doubt anyone would take me for fear of me "calling them in". So from the exploiter point of view, it's all illegals or none.
I grew up in a town with hundreds of years of hispanic history. Those families, even all this time later, managed to be very proud of and celebrate their cultural heritage (mostly Mexican), AND were also very proud to be American and play by the rules. Just like the rest of us. I learned to love a lot about the culture, it's food, people, customs... and some really shitty things about it, from Nogales to Tuxtla Gutiérrez. Incidentally, the locals in my town with family originally from Mexico were far harder on the illegals that complained about America (hating blacks, or women's rights) or used the fact that they were hidden from sight to pursue crime than anyone else was.
The main problem is illegal labor is essentially breaking the picket lines, in the argument between American labor and American management about fair wages, workplace safety, and health insurance. And let's face it, no one likes a scab, even if they are just as poor as the rest of us, because it means the management always wins and the exploitation continues.
I always wonder exactly who these people are that keep repeating this "Americans won't do dirty jobs" bullshit. It doesn't make sense for nationalistic Republicans, or Democrats that get how the labor system works. I think it mostly just reflects on the ignorance of the speaker.
(And Canada? Canada sold her soul to the neocons in the U.S. for a juicy soft lumber trade deal. Hardly the kind of thing I'd be really proud of. Let's not even get into Canadian oil interests, and how they tinker in the U.S. government. A little team effort here, kids...)
swarmofkillermonkeys @ 66:
(And Canada? Canada sold her soul to the neocons in the U.S. for a juicy soft lumber trade deal. Hardly the kind of thing I'd be really proud of. Let's not even get into Canadian oil interests, and how they tinker in the U.S. government. A little team effort here, kids...)
Best limit your comments to things you know, friend.
The softwood lumber argument has been going on for decades between the US and Canada, with the WTO and NAFTA boards ruling in Canada's favour time and again. Tens of thousands of Canadian jobs were lost as the result of the latest US illegal tariff on softwood lumber, and we only got back about 80% of the stolen money - so it was hardly a "juicy deal" for us.
As for Canadian oil interests tinkering in the US government, you have got to be kidding!! Again, the US is the big winner, benefiting from low royalties and a country willing to let itself be raped repeatedly by US multi-nationals!
I'm sure growing up with Mexicans has given you some insight, but if you want to discuss Canada, you're out of your depth.
Kay @ 20:
Evidentally Putzabee has the redacted form of Bible that the Bushco Politboro uses.
Sorry.
It didn't look like that in the preview...
FIFY~sitemonitor
I don't trust this guy at all. His statements to the AP in 1992 as well as his speeches to the Baptist convention should make everyone run away. And his comments about Pakistan? Do we want to trust the US to this guy? He claims that Romney is running negative ads by stating Huck's positions. Have you read the news about fake Christmas cards being sent, supposedly from Romney or the local temple in Boston, but which are supposed to make Romney look bad? I think McCain is too smart for this, having suffered through such fake rumors in SC in the last campaign. I think that all the clues will lead back to Huckabee or his people.
When russert interviewed Ron Paul, Mr. Paul stuck to what he said about immigration. He believes the constitution should be amended to state conclusively that if your parents are illegally in this country then being born here does not grant automatic citizenship.
The 14th amendment was first intended to secure rights of citizenship for former slaves and their children seeing that they were brought here mostly against their will and was passed after the civil war in 1866.
IMO immigration is a non-issue. Up until the republicans started doing badly immigration was not on the national agenda. Now it is. Seems too fishy to me. Thumbs down to manufactured controversy but playing on people's (right wingers) dislike of "brown people",
pissedcanuck @ 62:
aid me in my criminal invasion?.....hmmmmm...making it personal I see.....ok....you can have the job it's all yours..........I for one am sick of it.....The US is in between a rock and a hard place...Damned if we do and damned if we don't.........just so you know..I've been against this Iraq war before it started.........hey ,what did you guys do about Darfur.....or Indo after the tsunami....I don't see Canada leading the way doing jack shit.....so....go ahead...have at it.....but I have to tell ya...your bullshit is getting old........and none of us here are happy with the dimwit Preznit.....but you know that...don't you.
debaser71 @ 72:
But thumbs up to your comment!
Anyone who thinks immigration is a major issue from the point of view of citizens and legal residents is full of shit. It's a pretty big issue to undocumented residents, however.
pssst. Americans won't notice.
debaser71 @ 72:
I totally agree with that sentiment. Last time it was the "gay" issue. It is always easier to maneuver the populous against an idea rather than get them to support an idea. Its human nature. It is the last bastion of the desperate. (like using foul language) The republicans are specialists at marketing, note all those "catchy" phrases they come up with. Unfortunately most/many Americans respond to that.
I almost hope the Republicans run this guy. We are going to have a real party with his dumb ass.
I think illegal immigration became an issue when the US people started complaining about it along time ago and has been buried mostly by bush and his friends who wish to have an open border policy pursuant to nafta, cafta and all thoughs other free trade agreements. Closing the borders would put a damper on the free flow of goods which they purport to desire. People who make this a "race" issue just wish to obscure the facts that illegal immigration has become such a big issue because of crime and all the free services these invaders are getting which tax payers are having to pay for and they are not. I guess if people wish to make a race issue about this then maybe they should ask the immigrants who live here legally why they are being so racist about their illegal brothers.
Canuknotusa @ 67:
(TFTFY -- that post was messed up!) A fair criticism of my lack of experience. But, er, your link linked back to this page. So, alas, I'm no more enlightened to how Canada has been some sort of Noble Crusader against the Evil Empire of America, instead of