GOP New Hampshire Debate: Ron Paul Battles Fellow GOP Candidates On Iraq, Terrorism
By Logan Murphy Friday Jan 04, 2008 7:45pm
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The ABC/GOP debate in New Hampshire today showed few surprises, but did bring some heated discussions as the candidates pulled out all the right wing talking points in the final push for votes. The format being used by ABC lent itself well to actual conversation, which is refreshing. The question in this clip went to Ron Paul, asking him his opinion on the Bush Doctrine of preemptive war and the the politics of fear took over.
Paul explains how U.S. foreign policy helped fuel the attacks of 9/11, and from there, the rest of the candidates go on the offense. Watching them try to explain how the islamofacists hate us for our freedoms and why America's actions play no role in terrorism is nothing short of comical. Mitt Romney, once again showing his ignorance to history and international issues, says that the U.S. needs to help bring Islamic countries into "modernity and moderation" -- then proceeds to give President Bush a beaming endorsement for keeping us safe. And, right on cue, Rudy Giuliani chimes in, claiming our foreign policy was "totally irrelevant" to 9/11 and terrorism in general. This clip is proof positive that if elected, all of the GOP front runners will continue the failed Bush Doctrine of perpetual war, and are completely unfit to lead our country.
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I hope the rest of the people see Ron Paul doesn't have his head up his *$$. And can see the actual problem and makes steps to correct the huge mistake that is Iraq.
ron paul is such a hack
"hope" they ask Obama about running out on the Kyl LIeberman vote. Hope they ask him how the hell he has been the 'agent of change" for what? When Where?
wait, so why would ABCNews let Ron Paul and Giuliani be in a Republican debate, but not Kucinich in a Democratic debate?
my impression is that Paul, Giuliani, and Kucinich were all insufficiently achieve to warrant debate air-time.
if anybody knows the ACTUAL answer... i think we'd all be curious.
completely unfit to lead our country.
By: Logan Murphy
I am speechless.
Kathleen @ 3:
spam
Did the self-promoted mormon Mit Romney just say he was a foreign policy expert? Did he just say he wants a US jihad against muslims with 100,000 more troops (as in, a draft)?! Holy crap -- what planet is this guy on?
None of these dorks remember the Oklahoma City bombing by an American christian radical.
Wake the f-k up, people. But they sure like to shout down anyone that questions their mistakes!
Ron Paul is so amazing in these debates. Shame I don't agree with him on so many issues.
I love it. Ron Paul is there making sense on the Bush Doctrine (he's horrible on most everything else but right on the war), and it forces the rest of the tools to go ape shit to out-neocon each other. This only helps the democrats in the long run. Keep it up boys!
I am an Obama supporter, however, it is funny that by looking at ABC's post repub debate show... you would never be able to tell Paul was in the debate. They don't even show his video.
Kathleen @ 3:
Me, too, but probably not in the same way as you. If he's got an answer, then I'd like to hear it, because there's a good chance he (and, therefore, I) will need it in the fall. And he's had a long time since the Gravel spanking to come up with an answer.
God Bless Ron Paul!
His courage to speak truth against ignorant dogma is historical.
Ron Paul was good on Moyer's show last night. he's dead right about a lot of stuff. It really pisses the Rethugs off.
To everyone in love with Ron Paul...he's not fit to run this country. Neither is John, Mitt, Rudy, Fred or Mike.
But just a question. If a gun was held to your head and you had to chose between the bunch, who would you vote for? Or would you take the bullet? I'm a single guy, mom and dad are gone, I have a sister and a couple siblings I really don't care for...I think I'd take the bullet.
Ron Paul only seems interesting because these other losers are so God awful in comparison. Repubs, you people are in for one total ass whipping come November.
Kathleen @ 3:
how many threads are you gonna post this in?
and what post do you hold in the clinton campaign?
Just watched RP on Moyers -- what a liar that RP is. He speaks in code, all happy talk about how he's interested in freedom, but then he slips, talks about the "nanny state," and uses the word "liberal" like it was some sort of affliction. He also said that he supports "family government," which is either patriarchal bs from his crypto-libertarian 'freedom begins with the father' school of thought, or more simply, the rule of states by powerful families, which is the natural outgrowth of his sort of localist rule.
A fetish for guns and a hatred of medical rights for women -- how again is he in favor of freedom? You can freedom, provided you're male and have a bigger gun than the idiot who is mocking you as a liberal gayloving feminist.
btw, when did mitt get the intel that al quaida is indeed responsible for bhuto's assasination
political assasination is not their style
it does fit the musharif way of holding onto power
and ya rudi, our foreign policy has nothing to do with how we are veiwed in the muslim world
guess this fool has never even heard of blowback
Greg @ 14:
No. Paul's not the president. That would be pretty bad if he is serious about killing all government and letting corporations rule the world. But I'd accept him getting the nomination and loosing to a Democrat (which is a no brainer). Wouldn't you? To bring SOME sanity back to that party?
Republicans are going to be around for a while no matter what happens. It's in everyones best interest to get ride of clowns like ALL of these radical "candidates" and get some moderation in Repub leadership.
I think so anyway, the sooner the better. The more power Ron Paul gets, the less power these "Double Gitmo" or "kill for Jesus" types have in determining the future of the party. So, though he goes to far on many, many positions, I hope he keeps in the race.
Chris H. @ 9:
I can appreciate so many of the posts...minus Kathleen's regrettably. There are lots of questions that need to be answered in these debates or otherwise. Once I hear the answers, I can decide for myself.
Ron Paul does have the right idea regarding WHY we are hated and why we were attacked. Unfortunately, the neocon fascist wing doesn't want to hear it, and they are totally deaf to any explanation that he or anyone else can give them.
True, they are all trying to "out neocon" each other. Take that away, and they still are the biggest collection of misfits I have ever witnessed in my 40 years of voting in this country. Could anyone honestly see sleepy, Sr. 9/11, slick hairdo, and the lesser evils sitting in the White House "in charge" of this country? God help them!!
Paul has ONE THING RIGHT. Otherwise he is just as ass backwards, negligent on the needs of our society and our world. This is our last chance to save this country from total destruction. Vote for a person you believe has a conscience and will work with the Congress to make this country proud again. A vote for anything less is like tossing shit on a fire.
Here's a recent Ron Paul TV advertisement that endorses NO STUDENT VISAS FROM TERRORIST NATIONS:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=2T-iJKwskH4
Exactly what does Ron Paul mean by "terrorist nations"?
Why is Ron Paul fear-mongering like GWB?
Why is Ron Paul sounding like the neocons?
If only we could go back to Fred Thompson's good old stable days of mutual assured destruction.
Folks, its a little better with this enemy. If it comes to that, their destruction is assured, ours isn't because the haven't enough nukes.
Shouldn't we feel safer than we did 40 years ago?
I swear with the exception of Ron Paul, these guys are debating fantasy. Al Queda does not exist (BBC did a documentary proving the point) Osama is dead (according to Bhutto and other sources). What the hell are these guys fighting out there? It sure isn't the enemy.
Maybe a windmill.
Wake Up @ 21:
Because Iowa's republicans are clearly stupid (Fred Thompson 3rd) so Paul had to court their vote too.
jason @ 2:
Whatever.He's the only one on that absurdly infuriating panel that understands that American foreign policy doesn't exist in a vacuum.That overt aggression has consequences.The "Mayor" (Sweet Jumping Jesus) out did himself for outright stupidity on this one.
Half-wits, every one.
If they had any brains they could at least claim that our foreign policy is used by both islamic groups and muslim governments as a way to divert attention from their own local issues. Our actions arent their greatest problem but it is on their minds and used as a tool by those who are trying to lead them.
To acknowledge that, at the very least, would be some kind of reality check. But they represent the trailer parks, the small town rubes, the christo-tards, the chronically uneducated and the mean spirited uber-nationalists so truth isnt even required.
Paul in LA @ 17:
You are performing a disservice with your positing a question and then answering it yourself. A dedicated OB/GYN having delivered over 4,000 has a "hatred of medical rights for women"? Pro Second Ammendment is suddenly a "gun fetish"?
Listen to what the man says, not what the one lucid resident of YOUR world tells you to think. I am not promoting Ron Paul, but I wouldn't lie about him either. The fact remains, with all his warts and blemishes, he is the only one in this debate that doesn't lock in MORE OF THE SAME.
I love how RP says he supported Bush's foreign policy before the preemptive war doctrine (which is clearly an extension of Republican rhetoric for decades). He wants to preserve peace by withdrawing from the UN and from all warcrimes treaties -- both high priorities of Bush (and the Republicans) as well.
Meanwhile, RP wished to authorize Bush to attack Holland if they arrested any of our warcriminals -- because, see, recognizing (and upholding) international human rights standards is not a high priority for either man.
Ron who?
heh...
I am a Ron Paul man. Restore the Republic.
curtilingus @ 22:
We're fighting to bring ever better profits to the corporations picking the bones of Iraq (and South America, but we don't get to hear about that anymore). The more crap we break, the more we have to buy... and there's nothing a cost-plus nobid contract can't replace!
swarmofkillermonkeys @ 8:
No. It was much more than that.
Look who really did the 1993 attack on the WTC and you'll find your real culprit. There were multiple devices defused and recovered at the Murrah building. Devices that were not put in there by McVeigh and his cohort.
uncle joe mccarthy @ 18:
Political assassination is very much Al Qaeda's style. They tried it in egypt many times, assassinate tribal leaders and religious leaders all the time in Iraq, did the asssassination on the northern alliance commander on the eve of 9/11, etc.
I don't know who killed Bhutto but it very well might have been an Al Qaeda realated group. They have as much to gain through social chaos as Mushariff does from eliminating a direct rival.
Really Now @ 26:
To all those who write ad hominem attacks you obviously have no substance as you are ignorant. And those who believe Ron Paul is not qualified to run the country, what qualifications do you believe are required?
Absolutely incredible ignorance displayed in these comments. What democrat candidate is going to end the war? Not one! They all voted for it.
Do any of you even have a clue about monetary policy?
No wonder this country has such a screwed up government with all the communist/socialist/collectivists that exhibit statalotry.
Support you statements with some facts and evidence, your ignorance is transparent.
Peace
R.DaneelOlivaw @ 358:
Do you expect a line-item veto?
We pay, all of us, for things like prenatal care, family planning, medical abortion, medical care for the poor, etc., because improving the health of our society is fundamental to an adequately environmental approach to the future. It is a great waste of human potential to have children turning into mothers.
But Libertarians are inches away from the polygamous Mormons, so far as cults go. Did you know you need four wives to complete yourself in heaven?
R.DaneelOlivaw @ 357:
How could it be?
RP last year sponsored two bills to declare conception the start of personhood.
How exactly is that pronouncement, which has no support in medical science, how does that dictate "leave it up to the states." Leave what up to the states?
Murder? Shall the state of Transvestitania be empowered to institute legal murder?
RP is not leaving it up to the states. He would like to settle it for us all, outright. He's a liar and a coward and a fraud.
RP is good on a number of issues, too bad he's an economic darwinist
All of you who are against Ron Paul - or do not understand his views....get your head out of your a$$es - you may be doing great now, and have your SUVs, and homes, but if you do not start waking up you will be going down in flames - it is literally the last chance...he is fighting for you...trying to explain the causes and effect to you sheep! - do you really believe that terrorists attack us because our freedoms (ever shrinking freedoms!!!!!) get right! do some research! the dollar is worth a few 20 cents anymore...cmon! WAKE UP!
what would you do if Sweden invaded our country? I tell you know I would fight to the death to save my people it is a simple problem stop invading and threatening other countries and killing thousands of thier poeple - our troops are fed up as well - who are we (our troops) making money for? KBR, Halliburton, Blackwater, all of the oil companies - seriosly PULL THE HEAD OUT! RON PAUL is the last chance for you arrogant, undereducated, and ignorant sheep - shame on you - wkae up and teach your children not to blindly trust a rouge regime like we have...but to think for themselves - fools!
YouTube VIDEO: http://youtube.com/watch?v=5uk-T46soz8
Google VIDEO: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...15914120&hl=en
http://www.ronpaulforpresident2008.com/news/
Ron Paul is the only smart one on stage. All of the other GOP candididates seem to be Bush lite. All of them seem to be as dumb as a door knob and follow the "I will say anything to get elected", school of thought.
"the first thing I will do is cut funding for public schools"
LOL Libertarians, expressing the thirst for ultimate desire for freedoms by removing the privileges of poor and middle class kids first.
Libertarians want the freedom to fatten up their wallets at the price of removing the Western Civilized basics that expect are from Western Civilized nations.
Then you end up with a nation of retarded kids because public schools have been abolished
People who live in Eastern cities don't take Libertarianism seriously. We use, complain about, but ultimately like and support public transportation too much.
Wake Up @ 22:
Ron Paul doesn't deny there are terrorist nations or terrorist. He is denying entry into this nation of people who come from nations who harbor terrorist camps, groups and who finance them. What is wrong with that? Don't we have the right to limit who comes to our country and who doesn't?
None of these dorks remember the Oklahoma City bombing by an American christian radical.
swarmofkillermonkeys
We are going to need a terror alert coloring system for home grown terrorist if the Rethugs can't still another election.
langx @ 367:
"steal"
It's late or early for some.
Paul in LA @ 361:
Another ad hominem attack from an ignorant poster. Ron Paul while being an OB can be criminally charged, as well as anyone else who cause the harm or death to a fetus.
The law is not consistent. And this topic should not be a major one anyway that is why it should be left to the states. Paul in LA you have no understanding whatsoever of why Ron Paul wants out of the UN etc... All of your arguments prove your ignorance and are transparent, are you a communist? Or a disinformation agent? You appear to spew Statist ideals. Do you own your body? Where do your rights come from? What is the only stated purpose of government here in America?
http://freedomkeys.com/collectivism.htm
Fil@ 363
Our schools are already putting out ignorant citizens that's why most who support RP are here arguing. Google "Dumbing Down America", you can down load the book for free.
Unknowingly the NEA has adopted the soviet model for education. We are not far from all kids being tested and determined where they can work and trained to be good little human resources. Why do we need this bureaucracy?
10th plank communist manifesto: Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production.
1984@ 362
Wow what a statement. You obviously have no clue about our current communist/marxist/keynesian economic policy. Ron Paul knows more about economics than anyone in this election and more than most in Washington DC. Educate yourself see www.mises.org
Time for many to do some homework, stop the unsubstantiated remarks, the ad hominem attacks, and get your facts straight and challenge what you have been indoctrinated to believe. I know that fear to finally realize you have been lied to for most of your life is a tough thing to handle but you will free your mind and be so much better for doing so.
“Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our minds!”
Bob Marley
Peace
“hope” they ask Obama about running out on the Kyl LIeberman vote. Hope they ask him how the hell he has been the ‘agent of change” for what? When Where?
He's already answered this one. It was a stupid bill not worth his time to even vote on crap like this. Bush lite (aka Hillary) seemed to think it was a great idea to stir up Iran and bring us closer to war. Hillary will NEVER get my vote.
The people do not like Paul because he speaks the truth and that goes totally contrary to their illusions.
While I agree with many about Paul not being fit for office. If I were president, I'd get Paul into my staff because he is someone who seems to have the balls to tell the truth no matter what.
Saddest thing is that Paul is the only one speaking the truth and he is a Republican!
Where are the so called Democrats that should be the ones doing this?
If Paul continues he stands a good chance of getting a lot of democratic and liberal votes for being so darn honest and direct and open eyed.
I'd love to see Edwards/Paul in 2008.
I'm flabbergasted about the comments that someone - anyone - is "unfit to run the country." The President does not "run the country." The nation is not a privately-owned business founded by its president. Presidents are temporary stewards with limited powers who take the following oath:
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
That's it. No running of the country. The nation and the economy run in spite of the government. If you believe otherwise, the nation is doomed. Abandon all hope, ye who vote for someone to "run the country."
Ron Paul Knows the issues!
He may not win the big Bully contest or the Home coming King and Queen contest of looks!
But he Knows the truth of the war.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uk-T46soz8
He knows our enemy and their motives.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpeyzCOFZFs&NR=1
1984 @ 362:
It appears that you need to evolve...
Here is a tidbit of knowledge:
Read any of the articles concerning economics by Dr. Paul, and while you do that you can see that he has more economists on his side than say...Huckabee, Romney or anyone else either side of the aisle.
On one side you have "you want to have intelligence on their motives, actions and recruiting tools to fight the problem? you don't want to send another 100K troops away from our guard and national security? you actually think anyone would mind being invaded? you don't think it is our duty to install bases to secure our corporate interests to bring these primitive peoples who are happy just farming and working unless their food, way of life, and lives are disrupted and destroyed? what a whack you are!"
VS
"We're more secure if we bring multiple hundreds of thousands of troops home to defend ourselves against real threats, understand the reason for terrorism, USE our intelligence instead of manipulate it, and be prosperous and free at home"
hrm.... if this is a tough one for anyone, I feel real sorry for you.
I start with a Quote from Giuliani in this clip!!!
"It has nothing to do with our foreign policy it has to do with thier ideas their theory's, the things they have done in the way they have perverted their religion into hatred of us, and what are at stakes ....... our foreign policy is irrelevant, totally irrelevant...."
First ,foreign policy is irrelevant, I can not begin to state the obvious in this statement, especially a man who praises his foreign policy experience.
I believe Rudy pretty much made Ron Paul's point ( unbeknown), hatred of us, well how could someone from accross the pound have the ability to hate us, if we had never given them a reason to hate us or if they would not have met us. Even though Rudy is trying to say they would hate us no matter what, he should still realize, how does the Muslim world know that we exist across the ocean?
Then thier is this from
Rommney "Ron, Ron, Ron, your reading, your reading, your reading thier propoganda, your reading thier propoganda"
Ron "what would you do?"
Romney I would read, I would read thier writings...."
WTF WTF WTF WTF WTF
You bash someone for reading tier writings, and then you turn around and say he should do like you and read thier writings.. WTF
I may not have gone to Harvard or Yale, but WTF, are these canidates totaly dellusional, this is absurd!!!
png @ 372:
I can't believe you're serious. That's exactly what Dictators Cheney and Bush have been doing. They have been looking into citizen's private phone records and conversations with no oversight. Not answering to ANYONE, specifically not America. What country have you been living in where the President is a "steward"? Cheney has been increasing the power of the President for years- does that sound like preserving, protecting, defending?
Paul in LA @ 332:
Hey, just because Paul keeps insisting that the only solutions to collective action problems are to deny their existence or insist that they be "solved" by individual contracting and tort suits rather than by, oh, overcoming the collective action obstacle through government intervention doesn't mean that he favors collective action problems. It just means he's crazy. Ron Paul really believes that individual tort lawsuits will correct pollution to whatever extent pollution is a problem. He's nutters.
Ron Paul is criticized as having for having support of racists, but ironically he is the most open minded and least bigoted one on that stage, except for maybe Huck-a-quarantine-HIV-bee.
That last line- I think Flintstone was caught napping.
Hey the Spamming Paulies irk me just as much as the next poster, but this is the real reason that people are so excited about him.
Us Progressives and Liberals should really try and embrace this and highlight it. Don't be so worried about him becoming PotUS, and creating some post-apocalypse, capitalism gone wild, cage match, Mad Max type of society. Oh, and Spaming Paulies- No, he will not turn water into Sam Adams as some reincarnate hybrid, Jefferson Jesus; nor will he become the 5uPr3Me HaXoR: Bringa' of World Peace Y'all!!!4twO
...but at least he his speaking of peace, and he should be given proper respect and attention for that.
Andy K @ 337:
Oh, there's no question about those motives. That's why every Paulist ignores Paul's actual record on the Constitution in favor of shouting that he's in favor of the Constitution. Bring up an actual vote or actually sponsored legislation, as you've found out with H.R. 300, and they completely refuse to address the issue. Paul's record doesn't matter to his supporters; it's Paul's rhetoric about the Federal government being the problem that matters. Whether they're racists who want power to devolve to the states, single-issue war voters, or suckers who believe in gold-based antitax get rich quick schemes, Paulists believe that the federal government is the enemy and the way to deal with that enemy is simply to cut it out of the equation. Actual policy and necessary side effects involved in doing so don't matter because Paulista can't think more than the one step ahead that leads them to believe that getting rid of the Federal government will actually solve their problems rather than make them worse.
Maggie @ 377:
I am serious. I disapprove greatly of them, and all others like them, who wish to "run the country" and "run your life." I object to them on your behalf.
I hope you didn't hurt your hand pounding the keyboard in angst.
Paul in LA @ 236:
Saul in LA, you need to get your head out of your ass and read other posts. I have already addressed this issue you disinformation. YOu are so full of shit I am 100% sure you must be blogger who spreads disinformation!!
He received 6.6 million dollars from over 150,000 AMERICANS IN ONE DAY!!!! average donation was $100.
And you lable him a Nazi supporter because a US citizen contributed $500?????
He said ,"Why should I give it back so he can do evil?? I do not represent any of that Nonsense!!"
Stop drinking the corporate media kool-aid. Four corporations own all of our Media!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It ain't the 'good'ol days where you can trust your local news anymore!!!!!
Mitt Romney just bought CLear Channel Radio for 19.4 billion dollars!!!!! You stupid Zombies!!! Wake Up!!! Wake Up, from your coma!
Lord help all people if any of these moronic Reslugs win the presidency.
I find it amazing that so many ignorant people are to lazy to actually go and see what Ron Paul is saying and why.They call him a wacko yet most of his ideas are not his.They must not have a clue who Thomas Jefferson,James Madison,John Hancock,etc,etc.are either.Thier
ignorance may well doom this country and they'll be to busy trying to pull thier head out of thier as* to figure out what went wrong.
Rob J @ 380:
Rob appears to be another statist/communist who is severely misinformed, ignorant or a disinformation agent. Ad hominem attacks are the strategy of those with no substance, of communists.
You apparently have not looked at Ron Paul's record on the constitution at all, instead you use baseless attacks.
Ron Paul supports individualism, which is the exact opposite of racism. It is the communist/statist/collectivist views that promote racism because it can then be used to manipulate and control. Wake up Rob you are transparent and uninformed my friend.
Gold based anti-tax get rich quick scheme? You have no understanding of economics unless it is marxist/keynesian debauch the currency economics which ruins the poor, enriches the elite and empowers the state. Backed currency reins in the spend crazy bureaucrats. Look at the comparison of gold and oil prices maybe that might help you comprehend. Truly sad you have been indoctrinated by collectivism and your own demise.
Rob take a hint GOVERNMENT IS THE PROBLEM!!! Or more accurately the elitists that pervert government with communist/collectivist ideals.
Wake up, educate!!!
http://freedomkeys.com/collectivism.htm
www.mises.org
Peace
Paul in LA @ 359:
Iraq is having a civil war, the sooner we get out of there the sooner they can resolve it.
The argument the Ron Paul doesn't believe in universal human rights is a straw man argument. The constitution only authorizes a certain amount of powers for the federal government. Policing the world isn't one of them.
You DO realize that our current foreign policy (policing the world) costs an extraordinary amount of money, right? That money is paid for by US citizens, either directly through taxes or indirectly through inflation. If you cared about the poor and the middle class (soon to be poor), it would do you well to understand this.
Paul in LA @ 105:
I thought I heard him say during the Youtube debate that he wouldn't, we'll have to see.
Fil @ 364:
He clearly isn't talking about shutting down or removing ALL funding from public schools, he is talking about cutting FEDERAL funding. Perhaps you should investigate the differences between federal, state and local government.
And before you get all panicky about cutting of FEDERAL money to public schools, that money will be made up, if necessary, by an increase in funding from state and local governments. The reason for cutting of FEDERAL money to public schools is because the FEDERAL government shouldn't be involved in the public schools to begin with.
I do'nt understand the weak minded people out there. If you would get off your lasy asses and read the federalist papers ,anti-fedalist papers, The Constitution, and the Bill of Rights I think you would wake-up from your fabian socialization and see that Ron Paul is the only choice. He's the only one that can change the course of the ship 180 degrees from the gates of Hell back to the direction of freedom " A Republic Democracy". You see we are really in a socialist democracy( more like Industial Military Fascism) and we've been here for more than 50 years. It is about time to return to a free and small government and Stop the Industrial Complex from runing our government. The Faux,CNN, MSNBC, and other talking heads are all paid for by Military Industrial Complex and will support the war machine till the bitter end. Wake -up or Waco- ...Peace
gary harper @ 384:Gary, its not that they are lazy, they are professional bloggers who are intentionally spreading disinformation...and the others...scared parasites who would rather have the Gov't coddle and cradle them. See the movie the Matrix(first oNE!) that's they world they would choose. Disgusting and creepy.
This society is about quid pro quo. You give up your rights,guns, and liberties and watch whats in store for you. It's already happening. I think its a safe conclusion to assume that something like the matrix could be quite a possible reality. Our habits have been tracked for soooo long...social security cards...now with credit cards, Web surfing habits, GPS, cell phones, digital/ satellite tv, and that's the shit we know about. There is much more scarier shit out there. They know how to distract our weak little minds(most of us) Now they come to blogosphere to do the same thing their MSM pundits can't do.
Trust the government to educate your kids..do i need to even give examples to what that has proven?? Trust the government to support the troops...while in secret they expose them to chemical experiments...drugs , injections and God knows what else.
Trust the UN to bring peace while their UN military rapes young women and boys(the people they were suppose to protect), spread news diseases on other continents and laugh it up because they have immunity.
So many of the masses are just like Saul in LA. Robots who fed a program and then they puke out what has been injected to them.
Fuk the NWO!!!!! RON PAUL and Dennis Kucinich for the Independent ticket for the US Presidency!!!!!!!!
This was a very telling exchange. I'm not a Republican supporter but Ron Paul's argument starkly contrasts the other candidate views and, more scary still, it's correct while they all deny the truth.
Wow, ...Only Ron Paul sees the wrong in just entering a country and doing as we please. All other just don't care and are drunk with power. Even if it were for our benefit what is wrong is wrong in my eyes.. May the angels vote for Ron Paul. I know human beings won't since they will always attach themselves to what their condition is.. Sinful men will continue to reign over us. God Help U.S!
on Paul is telling you imbeciles something you're going to get your heads around sooner or later ... Economics is everything ... You hear the term "destruction of the currency"? What exactly does that mean? Do you people understand that a private company of bankers who prints our money at will, out of air, and charges us for it--with constantly mounting interest--is the cause of the collapse we're facing? Not to mention a huge cause of corruption, because it makes politicians unaccountable to the public, since they merely ask for debt-money from the Fed, instead of justifying their expenditures to the taxpayers (I give you our foriegn policy). And how do we, the mentally retarded US public, pay for that debt money? As INFLATION when it's put into circulation and devalues the already existing dollars. Who's the only one that undertsands this? Gee, it's the kook the used car salesmen were all laughing at. How about the Constitution? What do you think keeps your rights intact? A leader with nice hair and lot of bumper sticker answers? You Giuliani-McCain-Huck-Romney-Thompson people are asinine. You can watch a man talk for two minutes straight and say absolutely nothing, and feel just grand about it, and then you get an answer based on actual principles, and you go blank. There's a place for you guys to vote, it's called American Idol. Why not leave your children's futures to those of us with IQs soaring above 85.
Wake Up @ 22:
A "terrorist nation" is a nation with harbors terrorists (Afghanistan, Pakistan) or one that produces a lot of terrorists (Saudi Arabia). This is a pragmatic solution and common sense approach to hinder terrorists from getting a more easily obtainable visa to the U.S.
I don't know what type of visas the 9/11 Saudis had; but I've often wondered why was it so easy for them to enter the U.S. and take flying lessons?
I support Ron Paul and he shows why the Bush supporting GOP nitwits are floating around a 25% approval level.
Bush wasn't in the room but he was on everyone's lips... Well, except for Paul so much. If George W. Bush showed up there would have been a fist fight for who would blow him first!
I only caught about 10 minutes and felt like my head was going to explode. It hurts when I try to think like a republican. OUCH!!!
It was so bad. I almost died laughing with Guilliani chipping in 9/11 in just about every freaking thing he said.
The idea that Romney AND Rudy could insist that american foreign policy had nothing at all to do with why 'they' hate us was absolutely astounding. Yes, they attacked us (George W. Bush's America™) because we were the 'most powerful nation on the planet'? Or is it because we (the White House black ops) are sticking their hands and fingers into everybody else's business (like those same gangsters are doing to us).
The haughtiness and total abject ignorance was stunning