I’m sure Bill O’Reilly will denounce this effort by one of Britain’s leading polling groups to get a handle on how much death and destruction Bush’s war has brought to the Iraqi people.
More than one million Iraqis have died as a result of the conflict in their country since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003, according to research conducted by one of Britain’s leading polling groups.
The survey, conducted by Opinion Research Business (ORB) with 2,414 adults in face-to-face interviews, found that 20 percent of people had had at least one death in their household as a result of the conflict, rather than natural causes…read on
But the “surge” is working…John McCain/Lieberman/Kristol/Cheney/Feith/ The WHIG’s and many more have a lot to answer for…
No Trackbacks To “New UK survey: Iraq Conflict Has Killed A Million Iraqis“
Why, oh why, does ORB hate the troops; hate Amurika; hate freedom?
USATODAY.com - Internet use spreading throughout Iraq
Internet cafes scarce during Saddam Hussein’s rule are now spreading throughout Iraq.
Here’s how a right-wing survey of Iraqi deaths would run:
“OK, anyone in here who died as a direct result of the Iraq war please raise your hands.
See?! No one. Case closed.”
The research covered 15 of Iraq’s 18 provinces. Those that not covered included two of Iraq’s more volatile regions — Kerbala and Anbar — and the northern province of Arbil, where local authorities refused them a permit to work
“The research covered 15 of Iraq’s 18 provinces. Those that not covered included two of Iraq’s more volatile regions — Kerbala and Anbar — and the northern province of Arbil, where local authorities refused them a permit to work.”
Sorry John, but you are wrong. Americans don’t care. Oh sure, there may be a few loyal regular C&Lers that care, but as a whole? Americans don’t care as long as it isn’t Americans. Just read any and all articles denouncing the occupation and what do you read? You read about needless American deaths. How much did any Americans feel about death and destruction caused in Vietnam besides American deaths? How many still feel absolutely no sympathy for the innocent carpet bombed in Germany, or nuked in Japan? Afterall, these people never started any wars, their leaders did. Just like Bush.
We’ve all got bloody hands now.
Thanks, Bush .
Oh they don’t care. Yesterday I got one of those “Feel Good” email from some detached delusional relative which praised JAY LENO’S philosophy of life, and how we should be joyfull that we’re FREE and there is “NO DRAFT!”
lol
But the “surge” is working…John McCain/Lieberman/Kristol/Cheney/Feith/ The WHIG’s and many more have a lot to answer for…
the asses don’t think they are accountable for anything they have done, it’s not
in “their reality” because they are all criminally insane. we can only hope that
as soon as they leave office, the war cimes court in germany will hunt them all
down and put them on trial for all their crimes against humanity.
I don’t doubt for a minute that an exhorbitant number of Iraqi civilians have been killed during Busholini’s Crusade for Iraq, but A MILLION? That’s 4% of their pre-invasion population. That’s the equivalent of 12 million Americans being killed.
Not including the 500,000 who died due to sanctions during the Clinton Administration.
Candy and flowers.
It’s getting harder and harder to argue, with a straight face, that we did the Iraqis a favor by getting rid of Saddam. An Iraqi who dies from an “insurgent” bomb or a bullet from a Blackwater “security guard” is just as dead as one who was killed by Saddam’s henchmen.
I’m sure that there have been 100000 deaths or more and a million casualties. A million deaths could not have been overlooked by the media - remember, it’s not just our sycophantic press covering Bush’s War.
Billo won’t denounce it. He’ll defy you to prove it wasn’t 1 million islamofascist terrorists™ that were killed.
Nothing wrong with killing islamofascist terrorists™ right?
:o
Dr. Acula @ 9:
did you think this thru before you responded. at the level of violence by us and the
insurgents and the civil war, if this happened in America with the same level of chaos
and lack of local government, 12 million would be a very real or low number.
McCain said, ‘I don’t care if we kill two million or them, or all of them, we’re gonna keep on with this thing until we win’.
Lieberman conducted his own poll, the usual way, and when he pulled his thumb out of his ass, he said, ‘It’s nowhere near one million, I’d say more like a couple of thousand. And it doesn’t matter, whatever it takes to protect The Homeland, we must do it’.
Meanwhile, from Lieberman’s Homeland, Olmert saud, ‘Good’.
President McCain will continue with the strength of America to kill more Iraqis and Iranians. As many as possible. Thank you America for putting President McCain into office. We would never be safe without him. Death of anyone necessary will ensure my personal safety.
McInsane ♥ genocide.
getalife @ 18:
you got that right.
dadams @ 15:
Actually I DID put some thought into it, the very least of it extrapolating and calculating the figures I cited. As someone else posted above — it’s not just the ‘murkin press covering the debacle.
McCrazy seeths for revenge against the “enemy” as payback for his stay in the Hanoi Hilton.
Dr. Acula @ 9:
The difference is in “being killed” as a result of combat versus deaths that would not otherwise have happened were it not for the conflict. The inability to get timely medical treatment for a normal ailment would not fall into the former category but might in the latter.
Obscene.
And that prick in the WH will just walk away from it and go cut brush with a clear conscience because he doesn’t have one.
ConcernedCanuck @ 5:
Great post! Imagine if it was a million Americans?
If someone made a decision that led to the deaths of Bush’s twins, or Cheney’s grandchild, do you think B and C would want revenge, and/or justice? Bet your arse they would.
What’s this sound?
“Knock, knock, knock…knock, knock, knock…”
It’s the sound of millions of deeply pissed-off Iraqis at the door, wanting justice for their losses. And wanting war reparations.
Millions.
This is what awaits all of us citizens of ‘coalition’ countries. Our criminal leaders led us into a manifestly criminal enterprise.
The Muslim world is yet to get over the Crusades. They ended about 500 years ago.
We will be paying for this catastrophic folly for the rest of our lives and then some.
We knew this, from the Johns Hopkins study, Octboer, 2006.
Not many cared then either.
Meatum is on the frarch?
And if Hillary is elected it will be many more.
The neo-con government of the United States has destroyed America’s reputation for a generation.
I am deeply embarrassed that my country has come to this. It pains me that my tax dollars are being sent for such a disgusting folly and senseless horror.
With all the money spent on the military complex, and intelligence community complex, we citizens are sure as hell not getting our money’s worth.
And at the next presser, IF anyone asks, Dana “I’m not good on Cuba/Economics/Math/Hostory/Geography” Perino will call the survey flawed, hysterical, and probably then say: ‘…and anyway we liberated 23 million people so neener-neener’, and no one will follow up with the fact that Bush administration and the Pentagon has REFUSED TO COUNT IRAQI civililian casualties, so their in no damn position to critocize either the methodolgy or the results.
Democracy is on the move.
Under Geneva 4, occupying powers are responsible for the wellbeing of the occupied persons. Bushco did EVERYTHING possible to cause a genocide, from the illegal invasion itself, blowing up water and power lines (major warcrimes), failing to provide medical care for wounded or injured civilians (Geneva 4 violation), failing to provide security (preventing looting, especially of explosives), failing to provide oversight on hired guns, and of course opening secret prisons full of hostages, many of them outright tortured. U.S. soldiers (and others under our flag) typically stole and looted and frequently RAPED Iraqi families.
And then there are the POGROMS on Al-Fallujah, Najaf, and other places. In Fallujah, 70% of the city buildings were reportedly destroyed, and the U.S. military eventually admitted using white phosphorus on targeted civilian personnel, a major chemical weapons warcrime.
Then there’s the half-strength Uranium that they have spread all over the country, salting the earth and directly harming the children.
On top of all that, there are the permanent airbases — the purpose of the entire exercise — and gravy like publishing Hussein’s nuclear secrets in Arabic, burning Brewster Jennings, Valerie Plame– and the treason documented by Sibel Edmonds. And that’s far from a definitive list.
Really, it is not possible to name a single action NOT taken to lead to genocide, civil war, great death and destruction — the ruination of Iraq’s middle and poor classes. And with this spring comes renewed warfare, don’t kid yourselves.
Thats 1 in every 26 Iraqis.
That’d be like 11,500,000 Americans being killed by an aggressor.
Sundog, arguably we are getting our money’s worth: 1 million dead Iraqis to 4000+ dead Americans, zillions in profits for corporations, and not much in the way of protest.
We’ve smartened up since Vietnam.
hadenuf @ 26:
Good point. But the Johns Hopkins Study that was published in The Lancet came out in March of 2006. In the summer of that year, I had attended a rally for Lt. Watada in the Pacific Northwest. At the rally, I ran into a woman who worked with Les Roberts, who was in charge of those findings. This woman was bitter that the American mainstream media had ignored the results of this study, since, as she told me, their methodology involving the deaths of so many Iraqis was quite credible. Apparently the last thing that the media wishes to do is to believe that the U.S. government could possibly be guilty of such horrible atrocities [see books such as Rogue State by William Blum and Land of Hypocrisy by Kennie Andersen for more proof of what the United States has inflicted upon other Third World countries in terms of death and destruction].
Somewhere Megan McArdle is complaining about this.
What do you expect? The First Gulf War was sold to us based on lies (the “Kuwaiti refugee” who talked about babies being dumped out of incubators was actually the daughter to the Kuwaiti Ambassador to the USA and rehearsed her script, which was not based upon any of her personal experiences, with the help of a Bush-affiliated PR firm called Hill & Knowlton), and so was the second one (the list is public knowledge).
Wars supported by lies are nothing but trouble.
Talcott @ 28:
Past experience demonstrates that it will be many more REGARDLESS of who is elected.
Did Americans en masse weep over the 2.5 million Iraqis who died in the 1990s? The 2 million who died in the 1980s? No, they did not. And they don’t now.
The idea that candidates can stop the military-industrial complex which is working its way to the Caspian sea oil by any and all means available is just the wish of a flea on the back of a rhinocerus.
This estimate, and the one reported a while ago by The Lancet et al. were performed in accordance with widely-accepted statistical estimation practices. Bet the MSM puts this information on page 21 of the newspapers, and doesn’t even mention it on the daily news. They should be ashamed!
Why do the people of this country not seem to care about the deaths of 1MM innocent Iraqis? Has the US sunk to a level of hatred and ignorance that is so low, and risen to a level of apathy and/or religious fanaticism that is so high, that the killing of “brown people”, the majority of whom are Muslim, is OK?
Our nation, which is part of the world community, appears to be in deep trouble here.
hadenuf @ 34:
Considering there is no draft, we have had some of the largest protests in history, and many of us protest every week, as I do today and again on Friday.
The fact that there is no draft is BECAUSE it removes the urgency from mass protest. That hasn’t stopped a great number of Americans from protesting, and rather than wring your hands and blame America, if you recognize that there aren’t enough people protesting, convict yourself and do something about it.
EARN your cynicism, don’t just sit around blaming America because it’s easy.
[Not a Ron Paul Thread-Sitemonitor]
sundog @ 29:
you are right. and this is why we don’t have national health care or can even get
needed healthcare for our uninsured children. it’s why the economy is tanking, a recession that is real no matter how the bush/cheney use the feds to discount rate
to cover it up, and why having a repug in washington will sink this country into
decades of debt.
Ex-Canuck @ 39:
Americans have been lied to by the press, which continues to promote the far less horrifying tens of thousands, and which has barred any discussion of the warcrimes, the conspiracy, the evil, or the racism involved.
I meet people just as horrified as you every time I go out to protest. IF people have the information, many of them also have the conscience.
Paul in LA @ 33:
It is also in the UN declarations, signed by the US of course, that an uninstigated blatant attack on a sovereign nation is in violation of numerous treaties and agreements. Means nothing.
I knew this when Johns Hopkins came to the same conclusion quite a while ago.
Talcott @ 42:
L Ron Paul opposes the war in Iraq because it’s too expensive and he COULD NOT CARE LESS how many Iraqis have died.
He sponsored a bill to authorize George W. Bush to attack Holland if the International Criminal Court arrested any of our warcriminals.
He wants to withdraw from the UN, from the Geneva Conventions, from all international treaties, and does not believe that there are universal human rights.
If you support that asshole, then you are the FARTHEST thing from me. I would rather have H. Clinton with all her baggage, than a peckerwood Republican Libertarian who opposes a woman’s medical rights, and wants to go back to pre-Civil War ’states’ rights.’ He’s an asshole, in a feather bonnet.
ConcernedCanuck @ 45:
You have it right up until your ‘means nothing’ interjection.
Don’t trip over your cynicism. The value of those treaties and laws is not that they can stop wars, but that they recognize the moral imperative to stop wars. IF America had a legal executive which was following our laws, this would not be taking place.
Paul in LA @ 48:
As Noam Chomsky states……there are two laws…..theirs and ours…our being the US and he is absolutely correct…the only time in history that the US government has actually helped out another nation has been when it was merely a mistake. It’s all about imperial ambitions…and that’s not Rep vs Dem…Clinton killed almost if not just as many as Bush did.