Larry King: David Frum Is Told His Kettle Is Black
By Nicole Belle Monday Feb 18, 2008 7:42pm
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Monday night was a true Talking Head fest on Larry King Live, with guests Stephanie Miller, Peter Beinart, Ron Reagan, Kellyanne Conway and David Frum talking about the upcoming elections, naturally.
Why David Frum, architect of some of the most heinous lies ever told to the American public ("Axis of Evil" anyone?), is invited on these shows for anything other than to be publicly ridiculed and/or scorned is beyond me. And that he could have the audacity to question Barack Obama's experience when he was part of Team Anti-Midas is truly beyond ironic.
It’s a very odd and ironic kind of story. Here’s the rap on this guy. I mean, this is a little bit like discovering Dwight Eisenhower didn’t actually run Dday. What is...why should…why should Barack Obama be President? What is there about him? He’s never achieved anything. He’s never done anything. He’s never run anything. He’s a completely insubstantial person. But he has one great attribute, which is that he’s a spellbinding orator. And so that was the case he was making: “never mind that I haven’t done anything, words matter. But the words I’m using aren’t mine.” And suddenly that makes you think if there was a record of accomplishment, you’re right this would all be as insubstantial as everyone on the panel has been saving. Since there is no record of accomplishment, since he’s running only on his words. The fact that they’re not his words, that’s pretty serious to my mind, because it raises the question who is he? What is he? On what does he stake his claim? Maybe we should be running Deval Patrick for the Democratic nominee, after all, he gives the same speech.
Um, yeah. So the speechwriter to the man who gave us "Is our children learning?" is questioning Obama's authenticity because he used a few key phrases from a friend with whom he shares both a friendship and campaign advisers? And the man Frum championed into the White House, what were his accomplishments? Even the touted two terms as governor of Texas is laughable, as the Texas governorship is hardly an executive position with any power.
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Ron Reagan?
Business as Usual
That arsehole Frum appears on the BBC here in the UK every now and then....
Send that silly little neo-con fucker to Iraq. Tomorrow.
As soon as Stephanie Miller mentions the chimp....oh wait a commercial break.
How convenient.
let's look at the gop's record of accomplishments
NONE NONE NONE NONE POSITIVE
if wrecking the American economy is one........yes
if having more sexual deviate scandals is one..............yes
if lying from the 1st day in 2000 is one..............yes
if the gop failed to waterboard bush/cheney both........yes
-- “never mind that I haven’t done anything, words matter. But the words I’m using aren’t mine.”
I suppose this was a reference to the plagiarism "scandal" getting airtime now. By the way, nice job camp Hillary! (*sarcasm*)
Ironic though that a political speech writer would criticize someone for using words that weren't originally their own.
Please please don't anyone suggest that Frump should go back to Canada.
We do not want him here under any circumstances.... His funeral..............maybe.
Frum as a Canadian export ranks right between turkey semen and seal flippers.
If I had to choose between a man who has never achieved anything and one who has fucked up everything he has ever attempted, I'll take the former.
charles @ 7:
LOL LOL LOL
If it was not for his father Bush would be a homeless drunk lying in the gutter somewhere. This man has achieved nothing by himself in his useless life. He was bailed out of all his failures by his father. At least Obama is a self made man. Even if does not win anything, he has done far more constructive things in his life than Bush the Destroyer!
Bush's accomplishments: Harkin Oil and the Texas Rangers? He has the anti-Midas touch.
What had Commander Bunnypants ever achieved before he was installed as pResident? Getting the kegger? Scoring the blow?
Fuck Frum and everybody else who ever supported, baby-sat or otherwise enabled the walking unnatural disaster known as Shrub Jr.
The Bush Cabal Buys Back America for Pennies on the Dollar
$$$$$$$$$$$$$whacked
The plagiarism accusation is dead on arrival.
Deval Patrick: I asked Obama to use my words
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Deval_Patrick_I_asked_Obama_to_0219.html
Here's a Bush accomplishment. He touted himself as the CEO President and promised to run the country like a business. HE DID... right down to Daddy's friends and foreign bailout money.
David Frum is a Canadian export? I would prefer to think of him as an exile. Good riddance.
Last sunday, there was a piece on DP on NPR, where they played clips from his 2005 (?) campaign. The similarities are uncanny; DP also talked about the "politics of hope" and disavowing "politics as usual". Reminds me of the 90's where Carville/Begala tested their poll strategy with the election of Harris Wofford over Thornborough in the PA senate race. They and Clinton then ran on those ideas; one difference was that everyone knew about it.
People always knock off ideas from others, but they end up paying a price for it,e.g., Biden's candidacy in 1988 was torpedoed by the fact that he had "stolen" words from the British pol (Neil Kinnock), without attributing them.
Frum. Umm he's not much welcomed around too many campfires up here. Sorry he wandered down there but, well, you can keep him if you want.
mo_dem @ 1:
You got a problem with that? He happened s to be a very progressive, astute and all around nice guy! Just because his dad was a right wing Alzheimer patient, well you can't blame someone for who their parents are!
I like Obama's words, regardless of who said them first. I think he should steal Hillary's "In it to win it" phrase. He's probably above that, though.
What is it with people like David Frum? What surreal world is he living in to think that, one, his man Dubya has accomplished anything in the eyes of most Americans, and, two, that he isn't going to get called on it ??? What nerve. What has George W. Bush accomplished besides placing a bulls eye on anything American for decades to come, killing tens of thousands via his illegal unwarranted invasion of Iraq, breaking the treasury, damaging US credibility and its reputation worldwide, and giving the rich tax breaks?
What?
The right just seems to have an endless supply of rabies infected idiots to pull out of their hat. Maybe we are fighting this battle the wrong way. Maybe we should pretend the South won the Civil War. Give these Southern Baptists, Texas business criminals and backwoods rednecks, independence and everything south of the Mason-Dixon Line (excluding Florida - make it neutral). Then build a fence to keep them out.
George Bush is a yankee. Vicente Fox now dismisses him as a windshield cowboy.
I miss Ron Reagan. Does he have a show or blog?
You remember Ron Reagan, right? He was on that stupid bipolar show where he was matched up against that stoopid babe. He's a smart dude, though. Very sharp.
It appears that Obama will be gaining some votes -- from Los Angeles.
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5709#more-5709
(SecState Bowen has 'asked' that the uncounted ballots be inspected their number reported to her office"
""I've asked Los Angeles County to do a precinct-by-precinct reconciliation of the roster that is used when voters sign in," Bowen told KQED..."Let's say that there are five Decline-to-State voters in a particular precinct, and they all asked for Democratic Party ballots" Bowen explained, "This would not be surprising. I don't think we had a lot of people requesting American Independent Party ballots. If that happens, and in that same precinct you find the five Decline-to-State voters did not fill in the bubble...it is then safe to assume that they all intended to vote in the Democratic Primary because you didn't have anyone request an American Independent Party ballot in that precinct. I think if Los Angeles County does that...they may well be able to count many of these otherwise uncountable ballots.") (Ibid.)
Ya well, Kellyanne Conway is just as bad, only she goes back to the Clinton Fiasco and her Hubby was deep into Paula Jones amoung others.
it don't make much difference, if they somehow were weaned RePug they stay RePUG.
Frum immediately countered with: "My kettle is definitely not black. It is a very dark shade of white."
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FOX is State Sponsored TV @ 24:
He has a radio show in Seattle-or did. He lives here somewhere.
"He is currently a political commentator for the cable television network MSNBC, and was a talk show host and chief political analyst for KIRO radio in Seattle until his show was canceled on August 8, 2007." -From your friend, Wikipedia.
charles @ 7:
I was going to try and post something witty - maybe also letting others know that Frum is the son of a highly respected CBC journalist - but your post actually says it all!!
Don't you mean "Mary" Frum?
David Frum is to Barbara Frum what Chris Wallace is to Mike Wallace. A mere shadow of the parent.
David Frum is an embarrassment to Canada.
doggedly @ 6:
I second that!!! We tried to get rid of Celine, but damn, she came back! Come on now US, don't you dare....it was part of NAFTA...the deal was, we let you have Frum, and we'll throw in a case of Canadian beer. You can't back out.
David Frum: hell. or at least he should end up there for all the sorrow he's been a part of creating.
I saw David Frum try to argue a point with Noam Chomsky, and was a rude little mofo to boot while trying to do so. Chomsky had his arse tied up in a pretty pink bow and handed back to him on a platter before the rude little asshat could finish his 'thought.'
Frum's last two books were New York Times bestsellers. The Right Man: The Surprise Presidency of George W. Bush was released in January 2003, and An End To Evil: What's Next in the War on Terror (coauthored with AEI scholar Richard Perle) was released in 2004.
Uhmmm that would be this Richard Perle?
http://www.justacitizen.com/images/Gallery%20Draft2%20for%20Web.htm
Same guy extensively documented around page 482?
It is, of course, possible for a conflicted board member to act at least somewhat responsibly. As a conflicted Executive Committee member, however, Perle did not. Rather, his Executive Committee performance falls squarely into the “head-in-the-sand” behavior that breaches a director’s duty of good faith and renders him liable for damages under Delaware law.
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/868512/000095012304010413/y01437e...
Yeah we shipped you a real prize there.
Wow! the dim witted wingnut attack on Barack Obama’s experience and strong inspirational talking points sure made me wanna vote Republican. LOL how dumb can these wingnuts get? Sure he's attacking Obama’s strength (right out of Rove's playbook) but jeez, is this all they have? pretty sad ...and easily rebuked. Just as the the panel did, bring up Herr Bush's criminal and morally bankrupt accomplishments.
miss_kitty @ 35:
Ya but what is worse? The fact that the little asshat is nothing more than a speechwriter, or the fact the media has put him on as a political expert?
ConcernedCanuck @ 38:
I'll tell ya what the worst is. That no one in the states ever heard of Barbara Frum. And that he's well known here. He's a turd. And quite frankly, the States deserve this kind of turd. We're tailor made for his kind of turdery.
miss_kitty @ 35:
With all due respect to Chomsky, I don't think you need a Noam Chomsky to tie this little fucker in knots. Arm any seventh grader with the facts and a smidge of decorum, and Frum can be had. His world is based on lies and distortions. How can anyone lose to that?
Fight Lies with Truth!
you gotta like Oaoma!
"Obama camp responds to Clinton speech
Posted: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 8:34 PM by Mark Murray
Filed Under: 2008, Obama
From NBC's Mark Murray
"We agree with Senator Clinton that there is a choice in this campaign," says Obama spokesman Bill Burton in a statement. "It's a choice between a candidate who's taken more money from Washington lobbyists than any Democrat or Republican running for President and a candidate who hasn't taken a dime of their money in this election. It's a choice between a candidate who's called NAFTA a victory and supported permanent trade with China and a candidate who will end tax breaks for companies who ship our jobs overseas and give them to companies who create good jobs in America. It's a choice between a candidate who voted for the war in Iraq and one who opposed it from the very beginning. It's a choice between going into this election with Republicans and Independents already united against us, or going against John McCain with a campaign that has already united Americans of all parties around a common purpose."
"The choice in this election is between more of the same divisive, say-or-do-anything-to-win politics of the past and real change that we can believe in. That's the change that Barack Obama offers, and that's why more and more voters across America are choosing him as our next"
Everyone should consider the source. I recently read a book that Larry King wrote back in the days of the Monica Lewinsky business. The man is nothing but the trumpet section of the GOP. He said himself that he was close friends of the Lewinsky family. Put this group together under a capable interviewer and I might be inclined to give it a sliver of credibility. But NOT with Larry King!
Like mother, like son. Look at this clip of Frummy's mommy, Barbara, interviewing Jacqueline Susann. Jacqueline returns the insults that Barbara is doling out, until Barbara is vanquished. Touche!
http://archives.cbc.ca/IDC-1-74-368-2018/people/frum/clip1
I think when the Republicans talk about experience, we need to be asking "where's the beef"? Where is McCain's experience in balancing the budget, where is his health care initiatives, what has he done so far to address the never ending trade deficit and the resulting economic leverage China can exert on the US today due to the dollars and IOUs they hold.
And of course, did all the experience in the world cause McCain to make the right call on the war on terror, and forgo Afghanistan in favor of making Iraq the primary battlefield, or did Obama nail it when he said, in 2002 "What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other arm-chair, weekend warriors in this Administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne."
All this "experience" by the "adults" led us to the unbelievable fiasco. And I think Iraq is not only a foreign policy issue, but also an economic and national security issue. The question is, going forward, who can best make the correct call. It seems to me, Obama, followed by Clinton, who wishes she knew then what she knows now (implying mistake), followed by McCain who apparently still thinks the Iraq war was a smart undertaking, but was stupidly administrated.
David Frum is a piece of shit.
Max @ 43:
Great video!! Thanks for posting it.
God, what a snide, smug bitch!!! Susann kicks her ass all around the set.
I never thought I'd do it, but I'm going to read "Valley of the Dolls" now. A woman with cojones like that has got to be a great writer!
Dang. It seems to me that the media's running scared of the Obama movement.
There've been so many recent negative stories on Obama it's getting somewhat hard to ignore.
What Frum has to say will be irrelavent in a matter of months. He, along with his failed president, and their failed ideology will be in the trash can of history in January 2009.
AshWilliams @ 47:
Make no mistake the media represents the status quo. John McCain is their man. If you hated what the media did to Gore in 2000 just wait to see what they will do to Obama. The media with their pampered and priviledged pundits, many with 7 figure salaries, are purveyors of the status quo. They do not want anyone to rock their comfy boat. Celebrity pundits, newsreaders and "authorities are a blight on America.
Big John @ 45:
Well said.
kevin @ 50:
Says it all.
It all makes sense now. After watching David Frum's mother interviewing Jacqueline Susann it's quite apparent why he's so fucked up. What pretentious bullshit. The turd never falls far from the cow.
The governer of Texas is probably the weakest executive position in the United States.
GonzoD @ 53:
Sorry for that! I didn't realize you already covered it in the last paragraph.
You gotta love that! Being told--BY THE SON OF RONALD REAGAN--that George W. Bush is a fucking failure! LOL!
Frumm got his sorry ass handed to him! We need more people like Ronny Jr. to confront these assholes head on!
One thing about David Frum very few Americans realize is that he comes from an extremely wealthy family.
Lots of people know about his mother, Barbara Frum, who was probably the best known TV and radio journalist in Canada before her death of cancer at 54. His dad, Murray Frum is one of the most successful real estate investors in Canada.
Last year Murray Frum donated an extremely rare Renaissance sculpture by Bernini, worth $50 million, to the Art Gallery of Ontario.
http://www.artmatters.ca/blog/index.php?/archives/124-The-Frum-Family-Do...
This followed his donation of his African art collection, worth more than $10 million, to the same museum 20 years ago. Murray Frum lives in a museum-quality modernist house in Toronto filled with spectacular, expensive artworks.
There's certainly nothing wrong with being rich and successful. Nothing wrong with having rich parents, either. But David Frum presumes to preach to Americans (Canadians, too) by means of his many newspaper and magazine columns, his books, his political speeches and his years of punditry and political consulting, how ordinary people should live and think about politics.
What the fuck does this pompous, privileged rich guy, who has never had to put up with a crummy boss, a mortgage payment or thwarted dreams in life, know about how most people live? Why the hell does this asshole get the airtime to tell people how they should vote?
His writings never, but never, refer to his own rarified background. But Frum never fails to argue for the perogatives and priveleges of rich people just like him, his Dad and his sister (meanwhile, his brother, an indian kid from a reserve adopted into the family by Barbara and Murray Frum in the 60s, was conveniently edited out of the family picture after Barbara died. Convenient, eh?)
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Stephanie Miller is a goddess.
David From is, well David From. Blah.
Quiet Burp @ 19:
mo-dem?
LOL ;)
Everyone seems intent on attacking the messenger. I'm as progressive/liberal as anyone, but the guy makes some sense. How easy it is to get caught up in the moment, and ignore the reality behind it.
It was nice of Ron Reagan to dress up for the event.
Annoyed Canuck:
Ah yes, Dances with Frum. So that's what happened to David's scalp.
Ed in Socal @ 60:
"Sense" only insofar as saying Obama lacks experience. By his own line of thought, Frum is a flaming hypocrite not to acknowledge the long record of failure and lack of experience of the guy he helped elect, George W. Bush.
Everything Frum says - every single goddamn thing - is political spin.
Go over to National Review online, and look at them all, including Frum, tying themselves in knots trying to justify McCain's candidacy for president - after spending months insulting him and ripping him apart because he's not conservative enough. It would be funny if it weren't so lame and pathetic.
They couldn't get enough of Thompson, because he was supposed to be the next Ronald Reagan. They salivated over Mitt Romney, because he was the best conservative left in the race.
Both these losers fizzled, and now Jonah Goldberg, Frum and the rest are doing their best to put conservative lipstick on McCain the soiled pig. Going after Obama is just part of their silly game.
Spank! Spank! Spank!
"President Bush owned the Texas Rangers!"
He owned 5% and he was brought in to use his political clout to help steal the land to build the stadium.
Dad must be proud.
flex @ 41:
This is good stuff but....
Don't kid yourself Frum is articulating the Might Wurlitzer and Corporatist Press'e 'take' on Obama and they will be relentless.
And....
Saying he'll be better than Bush won't cut it folks. Not if Obama doesn't get of his aristocratic ass and start defining himself. Frum and McCain have already started.
And they ain't gonna stop.
Frum and McCain will be shot down as quickly and easily as was Frum. And by the way, though I'm sure the Obama campaign will have the class to not bring it up, but was has John McCain ever accomplished? Finishing 5th from last in his Academy class, crashing 5 airplanes....divorcing his wife to marry his younger, wealthy mistress, who then bankrolled his congressional career start. So, excuse me, but what exactly has John McCain really accomplished outside of Washington? (This latter point can, with tact, be exploited. If McCain weren't the Repug candidate, the wingnuts would be hollering for the head of anyone running on 30 years of beltway experience....). Obama did a pretty good job tonight starting to fill in details - in fact, his speech was about 25% too long because of it.
And I still haven't heard anything from McCain other than (1) the same NeoCon line we've heard from the Bushies, and (2) attacks that the Clintons themselves have tried to use on Obama....with what result?
Ed in Socal @ 60:
Jesus, this was a stupid thing to say. What were you thinking? Considering who Frum represents, just what "reality" are you talking about? Frum has no footing from which to point out another candidate's "inexperience".
How come nobody mentioned that thick-lipped David Frum worked as an advisor to the Giuliani
scamcampaign that cratered not long ago?The governor of Texas is not an accomplisment. Does everyone know that Texas put their Governor as the 4rth most powerful position in the state? Behind the Lt. Gov, Attorney General, etc. It is a baby kissing, ass kissing, hand shaking job. Oh, George was good at that, But Obama's 4 years in the Senate have been much more fruitful AND he didn't spend the first 40 years of his life as a pathetic drunk, drug addict, draft dodging, frat boy. Please David. "Governor of the second largest state" without telling everyone that Texas constitution has the weakest executive in the country, You are as pathetic a liar as your bosses...
Like Grandfather , like father ,, like son.
Bush Jr.'s achieved bankrupting every single business adventure he attempted, and his experience is screwing tax payers to fund his failures and turn them into profits for him.
Well he succeeded in during the same damn thing to our country and he and his friends are still making a record profit on the backs of the tax payers the same as before.
Bush Sr.'s great success was attacking Saddam/Iraq and killings billions of Iraq's citizens for the sake of "AGAIN" the famous terrorist name appears "SAUDI ARABIA" home of the terrorist of 911 and the insurgents which were/are killing our soldiers in Iraq.
Of course there is the King of Republicans Ronald Reagan, the republicans tongue much grow forked, because to defeat Jim Carter in the election Reagan made a deal with Iran to hold our hostages so he could win the election against Carter and he promise Iran that they would not longer interfere in their internal affairs.
So Reagan full filled his promise to Iran by raising Saddam to great power , by supplying him with chemicals he used for their chemical warfare in attacking Iran.
Not only did Reagan raise Saddam to greatness , he funded and supplied Bin Laden with support in their war against Russia to help destroy them economically. Does this sound like something that is happening to us today by our fearless decider (of course this is as long as he doesn't have to serve) with his war in Iraq and soon to be Iran and Iraq.
Can anyone really believe that our democrats can not see what is happening to our citizens and country with Bush and his criminal policies and war.
Bush the constitution is nothing but a G.D. piece of paper and I can do anything I please because I am the decider.
Bush
"mission accomplished"
"bring them on"
"the enemy is finding new and better ways of destroying us and "so are we"
" I don't lose any sleep over Bin Laden"
"The reason I keep insisting that there was a relationship between Iraq and Saddam and al Qaeda: because there was a relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda," *** and of course the second statement proved just as wrong.***
Frums on Larry King Live just now, and the line that's making me post here is this gem:
"Obama is a Karl Rove 50% + 1 Candidate. All this talk of Unity is just rhetoric to try and get that majority"
I just can't take someone seriously who says things like that. If King keeps having him on, he's going to both win "Worst Person in the World" and make my short list for the batshit crazies. Oh hell, he's already up there at the top of that list battling it out for the top spot with Rick Santorum, who looks EERILY similar to Frum.
WORDS WORDS WORDS are CHEAP and TALK TALK TALK is EMPTY according to David Frum and Hillery Clinton...Do we have to remind them that their words cost FOUR THOUSANDS DEAD AMERICANS SOLDIERS, TENS of THOUSANDS WOUNDED AMERICAN SOLDIERS, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of DEAD INNOCENT IRAQIS, THREE QUARTERS of a TRILLION DOLLARS and the FUTURE of our CHILDREN so deep in DEPT that they will have to PASS IT TO THEIR CHILDREN...WORDS ARE CHEAP, TALK IS EMPTY, David/Hillery? YOUR'S WERE NOT!
This is what we get when we hire experience? No rank novice could possibly fuck things up as bad as the so called pros. They keep saying that government is bad and I have to agree with them. My problems is, they are the bad government and too stupid to know they are condemning themselves.These people are sociopaths that all live in the same Country Club. They are about to find out they will soon be livin in the Hood with the rest of us.
Yes we can!~
Rob @ 73:
Don't much feel like typing except to say +++++++1, and afuckingmen
David Frum calling Barack Obama "unsubstantial"?
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You're killing me over here, you mincing, limp wristed, cross-eyed lying apologist for a fake imposter of a human being.
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
Larry King is John McCain. Doddering old fools that America has to tolerate. Totally out of touch with humans, let alone Americans. Panders to the right wing always.
For David Frum, two words & three letters: Ronald Reagan (fatuous, fact-challenged, bigot gas bag). And STFU.
Tim in Japan @ 61:
Would yo rather he appear in a kimono?
In Seattle people dress for comfort. So sorry you're hung up on something as insubstantial as the way one dresses.
Sayonara
Annoyed Canuck @ 56:
Do you know the answer to the question Jacqueline Susann posed, i.e. What did Barbara Frum's daddy do for a living?
mls@79,
No. Do tell.
woodguy @ 80:
You tell me. That's why I asked.
mls @ 81:
Sorry, I thought you knew. I'll research it.
Consider the source here, David Frum. A guy who wrote speeches for a guy that couldn't speak and didn't mean a word of the speech he tried to read that was written for his by Frum.
I agree with the reply to Frum, that Obama hasn't screwed up enough as Bush had done to run for President.
Bush as Texas Governor. The way I understand the responsibilities of the Texas Governor, it is equal to what the responsibilities of Paris Hilton are in running all the Hilton hotels. Which there is none. But,See how such a good job she does running the hotels she is not required to run.
Sporty @ 71:
And don't forget...Bush " I am the war president!" ..as he points to his chest with both hands. Pathetic twit that he is.
David Frum-outta-my-ass has no place doing punditry. His words are not just false, they're vile.
I have my problems with Obama, but this kind of rhetoric -- what Frum-outta-my-ass's wing of the Republican Party has given us for so long -- is just despicable. A completely insubstantial person? Never done anything?
Fuck Frum and the horse he rode in on.
maybe im just an idiot, but making editor of the harvard law review, sitting 8 years in the state house, lecturing as a constitutional authority, being elected to the us senate, seems rather substantial to me
im sorry, but frum and other's statements that in essense, obama is nothing but an empty suit, is bald faced racism
what biz has john mccain ever run? shit, the man wouldnt even be in poli