'Real Time' Mash up: Attacking Obama with a Kingston and a Frum
By John Amato Saturday Feb 23, 2008 9:01pm
Friday night's Real Time with Bill Maher was a riveting display of the dishonest attacks on Barack Obama by the wingnut paparazzi. Rep. Jack Kingston is in his usual wanker form and brings out the most ludicrous talking points to lead the way.
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Kingston promotes the false wingnut position that Obama won't say the pledge of allegiance and refuses to wear his American flag lapel pin. Funny, I didn't see Kingston wearing a pin either. He must hate America too.
Heather makes a few observations:
Frum justifies McCain's back peddling on torture as a practical solution on dealing with terrorists. Taibbi calls him out and asks what does that tell you about that wing of your party if we can't even take a stand against the Spanish Inquisition.
Kingston is lying about what Michelle Obama said. She did come out and clarify her statements later and he's ignoring that.
Kingston saying Obama is applying for the "number one cheer leading slot for United States of America". So the President's job is to cheer lead?
Kingston says Obama still wants to bomb Pakistan. He ignores that Bush said the same thing about going after Bin Laden if an exact location was known .
Taibbi on McCain and how he wants to do more bombing and how his idiot civilian commanders wouldn't let him bomb more targets during Vietnam. He's continued to say we've never done enough air strikes in any conflict we've been in and lists them. Kingston says it means he wants to win the war and bring the guys home.
Frum says Obama goes off on these "windy cascades" where people look to politics to transform their lives rather than to actually run the country. The candidate he's more sympathetic to is Clinton and that people will go back later after I guess Obama has destroyed the country. Obama thinks there's a special magic that comes from a Presidential meeting and has a great over estimation about the power of his own personality and he's been drinking his own bath water.
This next election is the ultimate test to see if the United States intends to progress and lead or continue it's slink back into the Dark Ages and irrelevancy. If McCain is elected, we are absolutely and irrevocably done. It will then be too late to fix it in 2012.
i watched this, and about lost my cool...
maher really, really should wait till AFTER the show to get stoned...
he let those guys get away with too many LIES...
and matt taibbi wasn't much help either...
everything out of kingston's mouth was winger playbook crap...
I have never seen Kingston before and watched the show last night. He is, hands down, one of the biggest dolts that I have ever seen. He throws out discredited talking point after talking point and then can't even continue on if the slightest question is asked. I was truly embarrassed for him. I don't care what party you belong to or what your political beliefs are, there is no way that anyone could view this person as remotely capable of doing anything. This man is the nut in wingnut.
sinclairs claims about obama are false!
Too bad Rachel Maddow wasn't the female sitting in the center seat. She most certainly would've challenged the crap from Frum and especially that idiot Kingston. I guess Maher isn't as informed as we would like him to be about the wingnut bullshit that floats around as fact out there. Very frustrating to watch this go down on Real Time.
What bill did Kingston Pass? I hope he is not the same people that build Kingston memory, because his memory is terrible!
Maher really phoned in this episode.
"Kingston promotes the false wingnut position that Obama won’t say the pledge of allegiance and refuses to wear his American flag lapel pin. Funny, I didn’t see Kingston wearing a pin either. He must hate America too."
Funny, I noticed the very same thing. Let's whine about someone not wearing a certain pin, especially a man as men always wear pins, while not wearing the same pin about which you are whining. I was surprised that Bill didn't bring that up as it was so obvious.
That Kingston was a complete twat, if the is anyone unpatriotic it is fuckwits like him who put their party ahead of the country. I have seen some false politicians but he is one of the worst.
I was very dissapointed with Bill Maher on friday, he should do his research a bit better.
Hmm, recently I have not been able to podcast Bill's show, as it is now unavailable to Canadians, but watching this compilation, I no longer think that I would want to anyways.
Check youtube..
He was called out during the overtime segment (online only).
My my my...all the time they attacked Hillary Clinton there was no articles about it, but when wonky wimpy pouty boy gets attacked all the bloggers cry for him. Can't pouty boy take up for himself.
paranoia @ 6:
That was another comment that should have been jumped on. What bill did Bush ever pass? What bill did Reagan ever pass? What bill did Daddie Bush ever pass? Romney? Guiliani?
If passing a bill is somehow a pre-qualifier for being President, Kingston's own logic creates a few problems. He was for Huckabee as I recall, no bills passed. It is sad to watch a fool use logic that thereby disqualifies the candidate that he was backing, yet somehow think that he is making sense.
I love how the crowd laughed when Kingston said "If you want to see change, vote for McCain!" LOL! Can I have some of your marijuana cookies, Kingston?
and that is why maher is an asshat
he continually allows guest to speak bullshit without an answer
its cuz he is fucking ignorant of the truth himself
idiot
the established and entrenched politicians in wash dc do not
want obama as president. the corporations do not want
obama as president. the fascists repugs do not want
obama as president. why?
he actually may bring some real reform to washington dc
and give back the country to the people and not to the corporations
and banks running the country now.
the next time somebody says the "hussein" thing when talking about Obama, the whole discussion should stop and that person should be called on the carpet. The veiled racism and bigotry in that is amazing...and I can't believe anybody hasn't gone totally ape-shit after hearing it..
kiva
And Bill Maher, whether he means to or not, gives these mentaly deficient people credence by allowing them on his show. Maher makes himself irrelevent this way.
Here is the overtime segment if anyone missed it after watching the show on HBO...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43WoD8b0We8
There is something seriously wrong with the liberal blogosphere when it takes two days for people to notice these things and even then no one suggests doing anything about it. Where's the calls for a public apology or correction from Jack Kingston? For that matter, where's the rebuttals? I see a lot of bloggers linking to this story but not a lot actually contradicting it other than to say that it's wrong. This puzzles me and seems counterproductive. All you're doing is giving these untruths more publicity without disputing, point by point, their veracity.
For instance:
*His statement that Michelle Obama never explained her comments is a lie. She did so the next day, as reported in the LA TIMES:
"On Wednesday, according to the Associated Press, she clarified her Monday remarks in an interview with a Rhode Island TV station. "What I was clearly talking about was that I'm proud in how Americans are engaging in the political process," she said. "For the first time in my lifetime, I'm seeing people rolling up their sleeves in a way that I haven't seen and really trying to figure this out -- and that's the source of pride that I was talking about."
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-michelleobama21feb21,0,506149...
*His statement on Barack not pledging allegiance to the flag is factually untrue because, as he knows, all members of congress pledge allegiance following the chaplain's prayer when the day's session begins:
http://www.senate.gov/reference/Sessions/Traditions/Pledge_Allegiance.htm
Barack has pointed this out several times. He pledges allegiance every day that he's in the senate. Not one senator has ever stepped up to dispute this or say that they witnessed Obama refusing to do the pledge.
You could go on and on.
Contact Jack Kingston and ask that he correct his statements: (202) 225-5831
Bill Maher is a tool.
Two major assholes. I apologize on behalf of all Canadians that Frum was spawned in Canada. He is despicable. As he is Canadian, he's obviously just in it for the money, not to "protect the homeland". Think about it.
In fairness, if you watch Overtime, on the net, there is more rebuttal. This clip is edited.
Terrible @ 18:
no prob with him having them on his show....but answer up their lies
he sits there like a fucking idiot
and mccain's global warming bill is a fucking joke....but maher sits there nodding his head
dickwad whore monger
I was pissed at Bill Maher. Why let conservatives use his show to spread their lying propaganda, unchallenged, like Kingston's lie about Obama? They control virtually all news and entertainment media. The don't need Real Time too. Throw us a bone, Maher.
I missed the show, but I have had the misfortune to hear that whining idiot Kingston. I have been aware of this reedy-voiced maggot for about 4-5 years. I'm on blood pressure medicine, but this asshole might cause me to blow a gasket. Kingston is a perfect example of the foolishness of the "wave of democracy spreading through the middle east." Democracy is already here in the US and it has brought to power dangerous simpletons like Kingston. Could the middle east stand a flock of idiots like him?
Yes, and much agree with posts excoriating Maher. The guy is too smug by far and he's really screwed the pooch this time.
If Kingston thinks either Clinton or Obama is getting a free ride from everyone on the left he should drop around here. Some days it gets downright toxic.
CNN poll up now:
Quick Vote
Does Barack Obama show the proper patriotism for someone who wants to be president of the United States?
http://www.cnn.com/
on the right side - about 2/3 of the way down.
Hey John,
I was at the HP and there is some kind of zombie attack going on .
I think it is using Digg somehow and posting major amounts comments.
Marge @ 12:
I'm going to go out on a limb and say you support Hillary cuz you are a paid shill. Now would pouty boy be McCain?
Kinda strange to see these kind of attacks on Obama.
Usually it's only Hillary that gets treated like that.
memyself @ 28:
Does Barack Obama show the proper patriotism for someone who wants to be president of the United States?
Yes 63% 32722
No 37% 18978
memyself @ 28:
WTF CNN!! The fact that they even asking this question makes me sick.
Kingston and Frum occasionally looked uncomfortable as they spewed their lies (body language indicated they know they're full of it). There was far too much talking over each other (more than usual in fact) and Maher did a poor job taking them to task. It was also ironic the way Maher took the election thefts as a given yet still buys into the official 9/11 narrative.
Edwin @ 22:
Frum isn't just Canadian. He's American too. That said, we don't want that piece of crud back.
ConcernedCanuck @ 30:
Hillary has paid shills? Where do I sign up?
Cuz I've been doing it for free all this time, hoping to get the most qualified candidate elected.
Thanks to clowns like Kingston and Frum, Cuba does have a superior health care system to ours and a lower infant death rate.
If the privatized health care system could solve the problem of so many Americans having no access to health care, they would have done it already. Nothings stopping them other than the fact they have a financial incentive to limit it and garner as much profit out of it as the market will bare.
myiq2xu @ 31:
are you fucking kidding?
the email that says hes a muslin, the vid alledgedly showing him refusing to do the pledge, the stories about his church....shall i go on?
memyself @ 28:
"proper patriotism"? WTF?
One could well argue that "proper patriotism" would require a President to meet the returning flag-draped coffins of fallen soldiers and publicly acknowledge both their service and their sacrifice. Yet...I notice that photo-ops of that nature are conspicuous by their absence. Or that "proper patriotism" requires public servants to make good on their oaths to uphold and defend the Constitution. Or that "proper patriotism" requires defending the burning of the flag as protected speech under the First Amendment. Or that "proper patriotism" has nothing to do with pins and flags and pledges and anthems and other disposable, transitory symbols.
(Besides, I'm holding out for dumping that recycled beer-hall tune in favor of Ray Charles' "America" -- not only does it have soul, but it can be sung by ordinary people.)
myiq2xu @ 36:
If that was the case, you wouldn't be shilling for Hillary, or Obama, or McCain. Please, none are the most qualified. If you haven't read "Marge's" posts, they are usually nothing but little hissy fits on how poor Hillary never gets a fair share, but that darn black guy gets all the breaks. It's borderline childish. Don't join the chorus. If you support someone show where they will be different. Show where they are worth the vote. Don't do negative crap. One of these two is GOING TO BE YOUR CANDIDATE. Driving supporters away will LOSE THE ELECTION.
Oh how I long for the day when the Hill-Trolls stop battling with the Bama-Nerds . .
MaxPower @ 7:
Didn't watch but if this is true then Maher needs to get the fuck off the air. This election is simply too important to allow GOP water carriers to spout off previously dismissed talking points and not be challenged on them. I used to like that show and thought Maher was mostly right on. Maybe he figures he needs to bring some balance to the show. If so, I go back to my earlier statement. GET THE FUCK OFF THE AIR.
OT ~ The Prosecution Of Governor Siegelman from 60 Minutes.
Is Don Siegelman in prison because he’s a criminal or because he belonged to the wrong political party in Alabama? Siegelman is the former governor of Alabama, and he was the most successful Democrat in that Republican state. But while he was governor, the U.S. Justice Department launched multiple investigations that went on year after year until, finally, a jury convicted Siegelman of bribery.
Now, many Democrats and Republicans have become suspicious of the Justice Department’s motivations. 52 former state attorneys-general have asked Congress to investigate whether the prosecution of Siegelman was pursued not because of a crime but because of politics.
Rich Kulawiec @ 39:
No, no, no, you wear a pin instead. A Made in China pin on the lapel makes up for all that you listed above. The rest sounds far too much like work.
uncle joe mccarthy @ 38:
Yes, tell me more. I don't watch FAUX News or surf Right Blogistan. What else has Obama done?
leftminded @ 42:
Perhaps you could be less dramatic and just watch something else.
Rich Kulawiec @ 39:
Well said, Rich! Kudos!
ConcernedCanuck @ 40:
Hillary is the best candidate still on the ballot.
myiq2xu @ 48:
According to you and Marge. According to the last 11 Primaries, the rest of the population says not.
myiq2xu @ 48:
I was wondering, and this isn't being snarky, who was the last candidate to lose 10 straight states and win the nomination? I mean, has it happened before?
Scy @ 1:
Do we want to live in a country that is run by the asshole Jack Kingstons of the world, or the Obamas of the world?
THAT'S WHAT THIS ELECTION IS ABOUT, KINGSTON!
IT'S ABOUT YOU!
!$#%^%@#^@$#
myiq2xu @ 48:
When did people lose all sense of tact and become so full of themselves? I learned as a child that my opinion simply was not fact. Many, apparently missed that lesson. Why not try something less arrogant like:
In my opinion, Hilliary is the best candidate still on the ballot.
I think, that Obama is the best candidate still on the ballot.
I believe, that XXX is the best candidate on the ballot.
katy @ 2:
Well, I dont get angry anymore....maybe a little bit animated. But....the show is not watched by GOP-ers.....no matter who is on the show.
The audience is liberal....and maybe independents watch it.....but the entire audience is fully aware of the stupidity of its right wing guests.
Its a very good ploy by Maher to get people to stay active and angry......otherwise they go back to being like the Democrats in Congress.....heads up their ass.
ConcernedCanuck @ 49:
According to the voters in 10 small-to-medium, mostly red states.
myiq2xu @ 54:
LOL, what does being in a red state have to do with the results in a Democratic Primary?
myiq2xu @ 31:
How long have you been asleep?
http://mediamatters.org/items/200802240002?f=s_search
http://mediamatters.org/items/200802220013?f=s_search
http://mediamatters.org/items/200802220012?f=s_search
http://mediamatters.org/items/200802220011?f=s_search
http://mediamatters.org/items/200802220009?f=s_search
http://mediamatters.org/items/200802220007?f=s_search
http://mediamatters.org/items/200802210012?f=s_search
http://mediamatters.org/items/200802210011?f=s_search
http://mediamatters.org/items/200802210009?f=s_search
http://mediamatters.org/items/200802210007?f=s_search
http://mediamatters.org/items/200802210006?f=s_search
http://mediamatters.org/items/200802210004?f=s_search
http://mediamatters.org/items/200802210003?f=s_search
http://mediamatters.org/items/200802200008?f=s_search
http://mediamatters.org/items/200802200005?f=s_search
http://mediamatters.org/items/200802200003?f=s_search
http://mediamatters.org/items/200802190007?f=s_search
http://mediamatters.org/items/200802190002?f=s_search
http://mediamatters.org/items/200802150018?f=s_search
http://mediamatters.org/items/200802150017?f=s_search
http://mediamatters.org/items/200802150002?f=s_search
http://mediamatters.org/items/200802150001?f=s_search
http://mediamatters.org/items/200802140017?f=s_search
http://mediamatters.org/items/200802140016?f=s_search
http://mediamatters.org/items/200802140009?f=s_search
http://mediamatters.org/items/200802130016?f=s_search
There's more, much more. Try crawling out from under that rock you're hiding under. Any Democrat who threatens Republican power will be the object of derision and smears from the Republican lapdog Corporate Media. Wake up!
Ahh, this clip reminds me of the old days of ought-four...I need another beer.
ashton @ 52:
When the right wing idiots caught on to the Internet.
Just let Matt Taibbi run the show Bill. He's the only person whose shown any balls on Real Time in the last few weeks. He's had Frank Luntz on TWICE this season alone and continues to call him "my good friend Frank." Bill is losing my respect on a weekly basis.
Definitely Mahers worst season he seems about half there at best most of the time, A few weeks ago Richard Belzer called Reagan the second worst president in history and Maher had to ask him who was the worst , unbelievable , Richard said who the hell do you think . Kingston and Frum a redneck to the core and a Canadian neither one of them could buy a clue . Funny how they both backed losers but now Mclame is their man I love it.......
zzZZzzz yeah yeah, these wingnuts are fucking boring. No one should be offended by this predictable horseshit.
He's a muslim , B Hussein, he's not patriotic , blah blah. Frum and Kingston are just spoon feeding their base with this defecation. Everyone else sees right through it. Maher doesn't have to say anything. These assholes speak for themselves.
ashton @ 55:
Blue states are most likely to be proggressive states and therefore are the backbone of this nation. Red states however are where miracles do happen. They require more subsidies from the blue states so they could fund their churches.
My head exploded about half way through - could Jack Kingston be more of an asshole? Thank goodness for Matt Taibbi.
Y'know, I may be one of the few remaining people who thinks an Obama-Clinton ticket would not only unify the party, would not only win in November, but would be good for the country. They're obviously both highly intelligent people; they both bring substantial (but different) experience; their policies are in most cases sufficiently similar that compromise is possible; and they're both capable of leading.
Okay, everyone can stop bashing each other and pile on me now. ;-)
But it really does pain me to see the internecine strife that's going on within the Democratic party. This needs to end, and soon, so that the task of ensuring a landslide victory in November over McCain can begin. (And I want a landslide -- something well beyond question -- because I don't want this election decided by voting machine manufacturers or courts. I also want it because of the downticket impact it will generate.)
I watched the Real Time Overtime clip on YouTube. That was pretty fucking lame. What was up with Maher? He pretty much kept nodding his head and agreeing with just about every other word that came out of that hillbilly turd Kingston's mouth. By the way, what makes David Frum an expert on anything? Isn't his claim to fame that he put the "Axis of Evil" bit in Chimpy's speech way back in '02. He's a one hit wonder, yet he's trotted out like he's got some profound insight into the political arena. In reality, he's a barely competent wordsmith. I don't know who the chick was, but she was nothing but invisible (a poster above said Rachel Maddow should have been in that seat. I couldn't agree more). Even Matt Taibbi - who really kicks ass in his "Rolling Stone" columns was phoning it in.
Obama is getting the RW and corporate media attacks like Clinton was as the front runner.
Now she is piling on.
There are testing him to see if he will fight back or they will run over him.
Steven @ 61:
But what does this have to do with the results in a Democratic Primary?
I make a point to watch this show every Friday because it's the only place where liberals get to speak their mind. Unfortunately, the last show was a forum for right-wing smears that weren 't challenged. If Maher really does want Obama to win (as he has stated on the show), then he needs to get with the game and be prepared to counter lies about Obama.
The worst of Kingston was when he said Hussein. Sure it is his middle name, and there's nothing wrong with that. But the unanswered racism that he was promoting is so sad to see on American media. If Obama's middle name was "Israel" would he throw that out just to score some cheap points from anti-semitic Americans?
jwazzz @ 62:
I totally agree, when he said to Tony Snow "I wouldn't beleive you guys to tell me the fucking time!", I just lost it. Keep it up Matt!
BIGBONEDED @ 59:
It's great whenever Richard Belzer is on as a guest. Personally, I think he'd be great with his own talk show either on cable or radio.
I can't stand Frum or Kingston. Frum is a major shill, and Kingston definitely has those talking points down. I taped the show, so ended up fast forwarding through most of it. Couldn't stand listening to them. They were definitely doing a major hit piece on Obama.
Viewers weren't fooled, as the blog at the Bill Maher show website illustrates. And many called it correctly: Maher hadn;'t done his homework and let that lying sack of idiocy, Kingston, throw out at least three major lies without calling him on them. I've seen Kingston many times on the House floor (CSPAN) and this guy is either ignorant as hell or a deliberate liar. I think the latter, because it fits in perfectly with the fascist mindset of the Republican right-wing. But boos to Bill Maher.
Finally, a factoid about "red states" - Bill Moyers had a devastating segment on the use of earmarks in the Defense budget. Though the "stars" were a couple of Washington Dem congressmen, it was revealed that the leading earmarkers in the Senate and the House are both from Mississippi. A perfect example of how blue states taxes subsidize all sorts of things in many red states.
I was disappointed Bill Maher didn't take these goobers more to task for some of their ridiculous assertions. I guess it's not easy getting right wing nut jobs on his show, so he has to cut them some slack. All I can say is the Obama swift boating has begun, so the Dems better damn well be ready.
ashton @ 66:
Common sense, intelligence, and stupidity. I'm not against Obama or anything but Bush ran on a platform of change, unity and humility. Guess what that brought this nation to? Certainly Obama can't be compared with Bush but i'm talking about the voters. It's the same rhetoric here. If this nation does not have this huge set of problems for the next president to solve, i would certainly have campaigned for Obama. Unity comes from the house and the senate. Not the Presidency. If we win more than 2/3 majority of the legislature then we can talk about unity. I'm more concern with fixing the issues - healthcare, economy, war, environment. Results is what i'm looking for and results is what which is important for the blue states.
Well, I am having a good feeling that Obama will have a win in TX - For those who say Latinos would not vote for Obama, here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fd-MVU4vtU
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0dMxqgS1-8
sorry if those were linked before on C&L.
The first point of the 14 Points of Fascism
Powerful and Continuing Nationalism: Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
This is why I won't wear a (probably made in China) flag lapel pin or put a flag sticker on my car
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm
Swift boating is the least of the worries. From the Star-Telegram 2/21/2008 by Jack Douglas Jr., Staff Writer
DALLAS -- Security details at Barack Obama's rally Wednesday stopped screening people for weapons at the front gates more than an hour before the Democratic presidential candidate took the stage at Reunion Arena.
The order to put down the metal detectors and stop checking purses and laptop bags came as a surprise to several Dallas police officers who said they believed it was a lapse in security.
Dallas Deputy Police Chief T.W. Lawrence, head of the Police Department's homeland security and special operations divisions, said the order -- apparently made by the U.S. Secret Service -- was meant to speed up the long lines outside and fill the arena's vacant seats before Obama came on.
uncle joe mccarthy @ 15:
I agree, Bill Maher is an asshat along with almost everyone else in the fucking media these days.
Scy @ 1:
We already are. We just go through these charlie brown and the football routines every election cycle.
Oberon @ 75:
You're right I've been keeping up with his activity in Texas and he has huge Latino support there. Thank God this race is almost over.
Rico @ 77:
Steven @ 74:
There was a question about this during the RealTime Overtime segment. That shithead David Frum just started babbling about how "there must be part of that story left out". Bill Maher, being incredibly fucking lame for some reason, pretty much told Frum "Well, yeah, gee, I guess you're right about that". I couldn't believe what I was watching. What part of that story is "missing", Bill? The United States Secret Service ordered the police to stop searching people entering a venue for a rally featuring America's first African American Presidential candidate - in fucking Dallas, no less!!! What details could possibly be "missing"?
gene214 @ 81:
How the fuck did the rest of that post get in there??
rickD @ 80:
The race for the Democratic nomination will be over. But then the battle for America's soul will begin.
Wow, how many lies per second was that?
Any time someone says that Obama hasn't introduced a bill, its not only bullshit because its not true, but its extra gulling because he introduced one of the best pieces of legislation from this congress.
He introduced (with Russ Feingold) an ethics reform bill on the first day of the current session:
http://feingold.senate.gov/~feingold/releases/07/01/20070108.html
And did it strike anyone else as funny when Frum said McCain was going to do public financing?
gene214 @ 83:
That reminds me of the Gandalf quote: "The battle for Helm’s Deep is over. The battle for Middle-earth is about to begin."
Hah! LOTR geek here =P
Oberon @ 85:
First, why doesn't anyone challenge a Republican to wear a Constitution lapel pin ? You know, that thing that they've shredded and made irrelevant over the last seven years? Second, in Maher's O.T. segment they talk about the lax secret service attitude at Obama's Dallas rally . Frum plays it down but if Obama gets the nom , all the smearing in the world won't make people pick George W. McCain for president. This leaves two options for the right : fix the election (again) or take out the challenger . The next six months need to be watched deligently.