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Bush denying access to “the dustbin of history”?

locking trash can

Some of us progressives have comforted ourselves that after the Bush administration is over, the history books will finally tell the truth. Not so fast. History News Network (George Mason Univ.):

The Bush administration’s Executive Order 13233 underscores the new fact that presidential legacies, once the domain of academic historians and parlor game aficionados, have become a serious business — so much so that a president has mounted a Kremlinesque campaign to stifle the free dissemination of information. The Bush administration is playing for keeps.

Bush’s Executive Order 13233 could change history — literally — by restricting historians’ access to materials that help them document and ultimately judge a president’s actions, lapses, and principles.

Executive Order 13233 gives ex-presidents nearly unlimited discretionary authority to prohibit the release of their papers, and allows them to name designees who can act in their stead. Moreover, a sitting president may also prevent the release of a predecessor’s papers — as Bush has already done with some of Ronald Reagan’s papers — even when the predecessor has authorized his papers’ release. These are radical encroachments on the public’s access to documents that were produced in the public interest, at public expense, by officials elected by the public. Citizens can challenge these decisions in court, but the expense and time commitment will discourage most people from trying.

A House-approved bill that would undo this blatant assault on openness has been held up in the Senate. Even if the measure advances, there is no guarantee that Congress could override Bush’s expected veto.

Read more…

The bill reversing this travesty is advocated in Public Citizen’s online letter for your Senator.




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1
CoIntelPro Says:

that CAN be rescinded by the next president

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ConcernedCanuck Says:

CoIntelPro @ 1:

that CAN be rescinded by the next president

Ya but will they want to? Are Clinton’s records public?

3
Paul Says:

so, the next president issues an executive order invalidating all of the executive orders of Bush’s regime. There, fixed.

4
weldon Says:

it’s going to be hard for Bush’s minions to enforce this from behind bars at the Hague.

5
Liberal AND Proud Says:

This little pissant. Running, hiding…praying and hoping he can get out of Dodge and run out the rest of his useless, pathetic little life without having to listen to criticism and SEEING his crimes, ignorance and pathetic ineptness aired out for all the world to see.

He’s a narcissistic little coward.

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Orangutan. Says:

I took action. Thanks bluegal.
http://action.citizen.org/camp....._KEY=22958

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odanny Says:

As they say, once the tool has been put in your toolbox, you really dont like giving it back.

8
FOX is State Sponsored TV Says:

They want to Data Mine and do Pattern Recognition and inquire what books are being checked out from libraries, all in the presumption of guilt for ALL AMERICANS.
But they don’t want us to see our own public records.

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anney Says:

I agree that the next president can easily rescind Bush’s attempt to change the history of his administration. And why would a Democrat WANT to let Bush get away with such an “order” for all time?

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ConcernedCanuck Says:

anney @ 8:

I agree that the next president can easily rescind Bush’s attempt to change the history of his administration. And why would a Democrat WANT to let Bush get away with such an “order” for all time?

Oh I don’t know, so they can too?

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Tony Says:

The next president can definitely overrule that Executive Order. Something tells me President Obama and Clinton wont.

12
raker Says:

Look at the phony Ronald Reagan legend that even Democrats parrot as though it were all true. Optimistic great communicator my ass. The truth is he was an aloof, stupid, unengaged, stupid, old, stupid, soulless, stupid heartless boob who undermined our society for the benefit of big business and the venal Republican Party. Just like another dunderhead president we know. But people believe whatever they hear on the teevee.

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ConcernedCanuck Says:

Tony @ 10:

The next president can definitely overrule that Executive Order. Something tells me President Obama and Clinton wont.

I find it hard to believe any Prez in a dead duck year, would go all out with these privacy things, and FISA, etc, etc, and then the next one not use it? No, Dem or Rep Prez will love them as much as Bushie.

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Dr. Matt Says:

322

Number of days left of this miserable, corrupt, and failed regime.

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Andy K Says:

ConcernedCanuck @ 12:

Tony @ 10:

The next president can definitely overrule that Executive Order. Something tells me President Obama and Clinton wont.

I find it hard to believe any Prez in a dead duck year, would go all out with these privacy things, and FISA, etc, etc, and then the next one not use it? No, Dem or Rep Prez will love them as much as Bushie.

This isn’t new, CC. The administration has been doing this since ‘01 or ‘02, iirc.

The executive order was signed after 9/11/01. - BG

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Leslie Says:

Congress can also reverse this, assuming they override Bush’s veto.

Exactly #7, the Bushies are illegally spying on us, but we can’t know what our own government is doing.

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Anonymoo Says:

Obama has a lot less to hide than Clinton, so he could probably be persuaded to rescind this act of cowardice.

Personally, I’d love to see ALL of the past presidential dirt exposed. Hell, we paid their salaries for all their time in office.

18
MN USA Says:

Whose government is this anyway? There’s only one reason for being so secretive and that’s that they’ve got something to hide. I think presidential candidates should be asked before the election what they will do to open up government.

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P.D. Says:

We all know what history will say about Georgie. Incompetant warmonger, indifferent snob and the worst foreign policy in history. I would like to go on, but it will take forever to type.

20
Bangkok Bob Says:

01-20-09 … The End of an Error

Write Congress to let them know we want free flow of information.
The is not the Kremlin.

21
Leslie Says:

Yeah P.D.,
But it’s probably worse than we can even imagine. The details would help.

22
AshWilliams Says:

What the fuck???
I swear, this Admin is such bullshit.

23
lj Says:

The Bush Administration has done us a great favor. It’s given us a tremendous wake up call. Since the elementary grades I’ve been taught that the United States of America is the greatest, strongest, most inviolable nation ever. I still want to believe it, but because of this administration we are more fragile than any time in our history. This group is sticking in our face and stealing the Constitution and everything else that makes/made our nation great.
How can we criticize the Russians, Chinese or whoever in their politics when we have sunk this low. Isn’t there anything that can be done? Is there anyone or any entity to take back the country before everyone sees how far we have fallen?

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FatJoe from Kokomo Says:

That is a great graphic. 20 points.

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Edwin Says:

If he’s that desperate to “lock it up”, you know it’s extra-strength-BAD. Why are we NOT surprised?

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Bangkok Bob Says:

Write to Congress and let them know we want an open Government, this is NOT thwe Kremlin!

01-20-2009 … The End of an Error!

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Andy K Says:

Andy K @ 14:

ConcernedCanuck @ 12:

Tony @ 10:

The next president can definitely overrule that Executive Order. Something tells me President Obama and Clinton wont.

I find it hard to believe any Prez in a dead duck year, would go all out with these privacy things, and FISA, etc, etc, and then the next one not use it? No, Dem or Rep Prez will love them as much as Bushie.

This isn’t new, CC. The administration has been doing this since ‘01 or ‘02, iirc.

This Executive Order was issued 11/1/01.

The news here is that there’s legislation in the Congress that might disallow it.

To turn a phrase of W’s:

The President serves at the pleasure of The People.

You work for us! Show us your work!

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Blue Lensman Says:

In this case, the operative symbol is dung heap instead of dustbin.

30
ralph Says:

The democrats say that if that’s what Bush wants, there must be a good reason

And besides, this is Bush’s country. . . not yours !

31
gene214 Says:

Somewhere in the third level of Hell, Dick Nixon is smiling.

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Pursang Says:

Paul @ 3:

so, the next president issues an executive order invalidating all of the executive orders of Bush’s regime. There, fixed.

Once Bush leaves Washington how are the going to get anything back? I seriously doubt anything will be left after they get through with the New Years shredding party and hard drive burning. Bush can leave no shred (pun intended) of evidence of what he and his band of thieves have done. If they do you’ll see people going to jail for a long time, or else I would hope if they get in the right hands.

Of course there’s always Paraguay which I hear Jenna and notJenna just love.

I just can’t see Obama going after Bush either. I can just see him playing the let’s look towards the future and not the past card as the neocons slink out of town. As much as it pains me to say it, I don’t think these criminals will ever be prosecuted for their crimes. That they won’t truly shames this country and its citizens.

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anney Says:

Paul @ 3:

so, the next president issues an executive order invalidating all of the executive orders of Bush’s regime. There, fixed.

That’s what I’d like to see, sure nuff. That’ll knock out all of Bush’s EOs that have authorized torture and all kinds of things we don’t know about yet.

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AshWilliams Says:

lj @ 23:

The Bush Administration has done us a great favor. It’s given us a tremendous wake up call. Since the elementary grades I’ve been taught that the United States of America is the greatest, strongest, most inviolable nation ever.

I’ve thought about that very same thing over the past few years. With everyone chanting, “We’re number one!”, sometimes we lose sight of the facts: our standing in the world has plummeted, our civil rights and free speech too. The economy is heading towards the shitter.

I don’t know where we are, but we definitely aren’t Number One. Maybe 26th?

OT

I personally think it would be a great idear if folks in the Progressive community started getting behind an effort to help make Howard Dean Barak Obama’s running mate. Dean was endorsed by Al Gore and Jimmy Carter in 2004 and was a cornerstone of the Democratic Congressional victories in 2006.

For many months, I was under the impression that both Obama and Clinton would be hard pressed to pick Wes Clark for his military and foreign policy credentials. However, after seeing the margins of victory Obama has been getting in the primaries, and the weakness of John McCain as a candidate, it seems he’ll have the opportunity to look further afield for a Vice Presidential contender. Dean, as running mate would take his 50 State Strategy and his “$100 Revoluion” to the next level, thus solidifying any Congressional gains in this election cycle.

Progressives have a good amount of time before the convention to move this forward. Most of us here understand what America could be if Howard Dean were in the White House for as many as 16 years. If Obama could consider Republicans in his Administration, he should consider having Dean at his back.

Think about it. Please.

Obama/Dean 08
“Change the Paradigm”

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ConcernedCanuck Says:

Andy K @ 15:

ConcernedCanuck @ 12:

Tony @ 10:

The next president can definitely overrule that Executive Order. Something tells me President Obama and Clinton wont.

I find it hard to believe any Prez in a dead duck year, would go all out with these privacy things, and FISA, etc, etc, and then the next one not use it? No, Dem or Rep Prez will love them as much as Bushie.

This isn’t new, CC. The administration has been doing this since ‘01 or ‘02, iirc.

This isn’t Bush personally. This will be the entire government, so even after he is gone, a helluva pile of civil servants are still there…….but…….hey……..at least you don’t live in this house!!:

MOGADISHU, Somalia - U.S. aircraft attacked a house in a southern Somali town before dawn Monday, targeting terrorism suspects as an Islamic group with links to al-Qaida appears to be gathering sway again in this lawless African nation.

Residents and police in Dobley said at least eight people, including four children, were seriously injured when the home was destroyed by the raid, which was confirmed by U.S. officials.

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ferrofluid Says:

Impeachment solves many problems, excepting which dungeon to let Chimpy and Cheney rot in for the rest of their lives.
The Colorado Super Max has my vote.

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Bangkok Bob Says:

AshWilliams @ 34:

lj @ 23:

The Bush Administration has done us a great favor. It’s given us a tremendous wake up call. Since the elementary grades I’ve been taught that the United States of America is the greatest, strongest, most inviolable nation ever.

I’ve thought about that very same thing over the past few years. With everyone chanting, “We’re number one!”, sometimes we lose sight of the facts: our standing in the world has plummeted, our civil rights and free speech too. The economy is heading towards the shitter.

I don’t know where we are, but we definitely aren’t Number One. Maybe 26th?

I can tell you this from South East Asia, The U.S. Standing has plummeted to the bottom.
Most people coming through here on vacations etc. hate bush and what he has done not only to America, but to the entire world.

39
Orangutan. Says:

Vote on who you want in Barack Obama’s Cabinet Positions…
http://puredem.wordpress.com If that so ends up being the case :)

40
Carl Gordon Says:

Listening to all this posterior olfactory output emanating from somebody that was allegedly elected without procedural “irregularities”, it’s obvious except to maybe that claimed 25% that drug enhanced paranoia is a part of the systematic paradigm. I am always fascinated how isolated we become after our teenage years, and it would appear that this particular individual has been isolated at least that long. What happens is a process of faulty thinking being confirmed because we don’t present our ideas to a critical public or a trusted medical professional. Rather we hold these ideas to the little rodent of our psyches, which runs the mobius strip wheel of our egos. You know, one of the most common statements mentioned by neighbors after they pull the bullet riddled body of the sniper from the top of the local water tower, “He was a good neighbor, though I never talked to him, he seemed to keep to himself. He kept his lawn mowed. He put a flag out on 4th of July, and wore a flag button in his lapel.”

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CheneyIsADick Says:

P.D. @ 19:

We all know what history will say about Georgie. Incompetant warmonger, indifferent snob and the worst foreign policy in history. I would like to go on, but it will take forever to type.

You don’t have to. It’s already been done: http://www.netrootsmass.net/Hugh/Bush_list.html

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Tommy Gunn Says:

Moreover, a sitting president may also prevent the release of a predecessor’s papers

Junior is just making sure that historians don’t find out that Daddy orchestrated and engineered the First Gulf War in 1991 (duping Saddam and forcing the Kurds to increase oil supply, choking off Saddam), thus setting this whole Iraq motion in business.

43
Kerry Says:

Obama/Dean 08
“Change the Paradigm”

That does sound great!!!

44
dadams Says:

this is the last straw.
bush and cheney need to removed from office
by any means necessary. the fourth amendment
of the constitution give the citizens the right to
overthrow any tyrannical govt threatening the United States,
and that includes the pres/vp.

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ConcernedCanuck Says:

Orangutan. @ 39:

Vote on who you want in Barack Obama’s Cabinet Positions…
http://puredem.wordpress.com If that so ends up being the case :)

Cool site with only one slight problem….um Obama is running as the change candidate…how come all the position choices are the same people that are already in? I mean, swearing in the exact same politicians, isn’t really change, is it?

46
ferrofluid Says:

I don’t know where we are, but we definitely aren’t Number One. Maybe 26th?

I want to know when they will start refunding Visa fees to the legal immigrants,
we paid thousands for all the forms, letters to and from the INS USCIS, plus all the fees for interviews and gov office visits.
What with the US economy tanking due to gov incompetence and Republican greed, and the standard of living in the US going down the toilet, I feel they ripped us legal immigrants off big time ;)

47
Leslie Says:

Hmm, where should Chimpy and Dick spend their days in jail: how about rendering them to Iraq to answer for their war crimes?

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CheneyIsADick Says:

Leslie @ 47:

Hmm, where should Chimpy and Dick spend their days in jail: how about rendering them to Iraq to answer for their war crimes?

Guantanamo, of course. All the people that served in the administration from January 20th, 2000 should do time there. I hear waterboarding is an efective tool for coercing the truth out of uncoopeating people.

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PayOff Says:

Fortunately, we do not need any documents.
Everyone knows what Bush told us. It is on video.
We all know that it was a bunch of bullshit.
That is well documented also.
The only thing that is not documented is proof of what Bush knew and when he knew it.
This could be easily available to us if the House of Representatives, and John Conyers in particular, would do
their jobs and begin impeachment procedings.
Let the son of a bitch be questioned under oath.
Let him lie.
Let him be confronted by witnesses.

He’ll probably wind up in jail.
But even if he were to escape punishment, the missing evidence would be readily available.

Either way he would wind up in the dust bin - or shit box - that he so richly deserves.

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StirFry Says:

The dustbin of history…not be confused with Ned’s Atomic Dustin