McCain to visit with the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy

Usually, political groups trip over one another to try and gain public notoriety and attention. The Council for National Policy, meanwhile, would be perfectly happy if the public didn’t even know it exists. (I’ve long believed the easiest job on Earth would be to serve as this group’s press secretary.)

The CNP is made up of many heavy-hitters from the religious right and conservative movement in general, and they meet periodically to plot and scheme. It may sound excessively cloak-and-dagger of the group, but the CNP has a list of formal rules, one of which reads, “The media should not know when or where we meet or who takes part in our programs, before or after a meeting.”

Fortunately, details routinely leak. Today in New Orleans, for example, the CNP will gather and hear from none other than John McCain. (You know, the one who “refuses to pander” to anyone.)

Sen. John McCain, in his post-victory debut before the conservative movement’s top donors and leaders, will address the Council for National Policy’s annual winter meeting here today.

His remarks at the event, which has always been closed to the public and will have only a partial accommodation of the press this year for the first time, could turn out to be his make-or-break pitch for support from some of the right’s most influential critics of his past positions and policies.

“This is the most distinguished collection of conservative leaders and donors, and he was anxious to appear as part of his ongoing effort to consolidate support for his candidacy within the conservative movement,” said Charlie Black, Mr. McCain’s campaign adviser.

And who, exactly, is the Council for National Policy? Right Wing Watch has some good background info.

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In what many in the GOP came to view as the 11th Commandment, Ronald Reagan famously said," Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican." Hillary Clinton, it would now appear, is taking his advice to heart. Not content to merely lambast the supposed inexperience of Barack Obama, Clinton's scorched-earth campaign has lavished praise on John McCain as the embodiment of a commander-in-chief. Desperate to resurrect her once-fading candidacy, it is Hillary Clinton who has sadly emerged as the embodiment of Reagan's Law.

For the details, see:
"Hillary Clinton Follows Reagan's 11th Commandment."

Fascists, meet Theocrats; Theocrats, meet Fascists.

God, I hate these rich asshats. They are worthless and a drag on society. Blaming the poor is how they hide the fact that they are ones who take all the money. There must be some way to force them to be productive members of society. Maybe a program like the CCC to put them to work repairing the infrastructure. The only time they are allowed to tell other people what to do is around the campfire after a 12 hour day of making little ones out of big ones.

Or maybe just a revolution. Who's up for storming the AIE?

The end of U.S. dominance — not by Commies or terrorists…

But hari-kari via our own government.

Wudda thunk it?

Well, if that CNP thing doesn't work out for him, there's always that meeting down in the bunker that's been haunting my nightmares lately: What George Bush and John McCain said on their way down to the bunker to meet with Dick Cheney.

Three times a year for 23 years, a little-known club of a few hundred of the most powerful conservatives in the country have met behind closed doors at undisclosed locations for a confidential conference, the Council for National Policy, to strategize about how to turn the country to the right.

Details are closely guarded.

''The media should not know when or where we meet or who takes part in our programs, before of after a meeting,''

Kinda sounds like another group of zanies in 1920's Germany which went on to later fame trying to conquer world as the Hitler's Nazi Party.

These fucking people are traitors to the principles of what this country was founded on.
As Indiana Jones put it so well, "I Hate Nazis".

AngryOne @ 1:

In what many in the GOP came to view as the 11th Commandment, Ronald Reagan famously said," Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican." Hillary Clinton, it would now appear, is taking his advice to heart. Not content to merely lambast the supposed inexperience of Barack Obama, Clinton's scorched-earth campaign has lavished praise on John McCain as the embodiment of a commander-in-chief. Desperate to resurrect her once-fading candidacy, it is Hillary Clinton who has sadly emerged as the embodiment of Reagan's Law.

For the details, see:
"Hillary Clinton Follows Reagan's 11th Commandment."

I am hopeful that with each new cheap shot (see todays suggestion that obamas entire campaign is a big lie, and only the foreign press has been let in on it), there are fewer and fewer able to see a halo hovering over Clinton's head; and those remaining are forced to close their eyes, cover their ears, and insist that hillary is "the one" whatever is happening in the world, however dishonest her campaign becomes.

ohio progressive @ 7:

AngryOne @ 1:

In what many in the GOP came to view as the 11th Commandment, Ronald Reagan famously said," Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican." Hillary Clinton, it would now appear, is taking his advice to heart. Not content to merely lambast the supposed inexperience of Barack Obama, Clinton's scorched-earth campaign has lavished praise on John McCain as the embodiment of a commander-in-chief. Desperate to resurrect her once-fading candidacy, it is Hillary Clinton who has sadly emerged as the embodiment of Reagan's Law.

For the details, see:
"Hillary Clinton Follows Reagan's 11th Commandment."

I am hopeful that with each new cheap shot (see todays suggestion that obamas entire campaign is a big lie, and only the foreign press has been let in on it), there are fewer and fewer able to see a halo hovering over Clinton's head; and those remaining are forced to close their eyes, cover their ears, and insist that hillary is "the one" whatever is happening in the world, however dishonest her campaign becomes.

I didn't see the Clinton's forcing war, death, debt and economic devastation down everyones throats during the 90's.

Anyone else?

Why do I get the feeling that naked and frightened young boys would likely be forced to entertain these people?

L.A. Confidential @ 8:

ohio progressive @ 7:

AngryOne @ 1:

In what many in the GOP came to view as the 11th Commandment, Ronald Reagan famously said," Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican." Hillary Clinton, it would now appear, is taking his advice to heart. Not content to merely lambast the supposed inexperience of Barack Obama, Clinton's scorched-earth campaign has lavished praise on John McCain as the embodiment of a commander-in-chief. Desperate to resurrect her once-fading candidacy, it is Hillary Clinton who has sadly emerged as the embodiment of Reagan's Law.

For the details, see:
"Hillary Clinton Follows Reagan's 11th Commandment."

I am hopeful that with each new cheap shot (see todays suggestion that obamas entire campaign is a big lie, and only the foreign press has been let in on it), there are fewer and fewer able to see a halo hovering over Clinton's head; and those remaining are forced to close their eyes, cover their ears, and insist that hillary is "the one" whatever is happening in the world, however dishonest her campaign becomes.

I didn't see the Clinton's forcing war, death, debt and economic devastation down everyones throats during the 90's.

Anyone else?

No sir, I didn't see the Clintons forcing any of that down anyone's throat.

Nor did I suggest any such thing....

You are obtuse.

ohio progressive @ 10:

You are obtuse.

I don' get your drift. What do you want from life?

ashton @ 9:

Why do I get the feeling that naked and frightened young boys would likely be forced to entertain these people?

First I laughed out loud-then I got the same creepy feeling.

David Hawes @ 12:

ashton @ 9:

Why do I get the feeling that naked and frightened young boys would likely be forced to entertain these people?

First I laughed out loud-then I got the same creepy feeling.

...how long before Gary Bauer gets caught in a bathroom stall doing the craig dance....

another fun loving reichwingnut christian fucked-up group

and the sad thing is (before I and others were banned from DKos) is that the anti-HRC people were warning about her big time, there were better other candidates as well as Obama.
She is dangerous, its a power at all costs and to hell with everybody else thing with her.
Dkos (and it seems the Democrat party) has more than its quota of late-middle aged 'women' who dote on cats and dashing young things in uniforms and glorious sanitized TVed overseas wars.
HRC to me seems to be a vanity presidential candidate, being the wife of a popular ex-president doesnt make her the saviour,
and doing the bush-lite thing will not repair the damage done by 8 years of Chimpy &co.
She needs to stop doingt he Republicans dirty work and remember that being president is only a job, a big job but not the 'be all and end all', getting a democratic government back in power and repairing the US is the critical thing for 08.
Do not do the Rethugs job for them Hillary.

Bush to veto bill banning waterboarding AP - 8 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - The White House says President Bush will veto legislation on Saturday that would have barred the CIA from using waterboarding — a technique that simulates drowning — and other harsh interrogation methods on terror suspects.

AmerrrrrriKa AmerrrrriKa God shed his Grace on ThEeEeEee

ferrofluid @ 15:

Do not do the Rethugs job for them Hillary.

What I wonder about is why you Obamanians hate older Americans.

ohio progressive @ 13:

David Hawes @ 12:

ashton @ 9:

Why do I get the feeling that naked and frightened young boys would likely be forced to entertain these people?

First I laughed out loud-then I got the same creepy feeling.

...how long before Gary Bauer gets caught in a bathroom stall doing the craig dance....

Awww.Jest kids havin fun.

ashton @ 9:

Why do I get the feeling that naked and frightened young boys would likely be forced to entertain these people?

because they are republicans,

republicans do as republicans want,

and they bury the evidence before is starts smelling.

L.A. Confidential @ 17:

ferrofluid @ 15:

Do not do the Rethugs job for them Hillary.

What I wonder about is why you Obamanians hate older Americans.

Funny, I was just gonna ask why you Hillary Halo people hate younger americans...

after all, that was her strongest point in the last several weeks-- obama is too young to be president, and your kids will suffer for it..

i haven't heard barack say hillary is too old......but maybe now that you raise the argument...

Text of McCain speech:

"Listen up, you fucking thieving, power hungry, Mammon-worshiping, whores: It's either me, the slut, or the darkie. I expect you to donate accordingly, and I want you to take back all that shit you said about me, before. Got it? Praise Jesus. Amen, brothers."

Only this group of narrow-minded, power-obsessed, money-hungry, elitist assholes could come to my devastated city to discuss anything but how to improve the conditions of my city. Yeah, and the presidential debate committee still claims the decision not to hold one of the debates here was strictly a matter of New Orleans' "not being ready" to host this type of major event. Whatever. In the last year New Orleans has hosted large public events of increasingy size and complexity with little to no public safety incidents: the Arena Bowl, the Sugar Bowl, the BCS Championship and the NBA All-Star Game, which begs the question: who's really not ready to have a debate here? So what city gets to cash in on hosting one of the debates? Oxford, Mississpippi, of course - adopted hometown of William Faulkner and, of course, a small town with average convention facilities in a state with a well-connected Republican governor who just happens to have been a tobacco lobbyist prior to running for office. But, again, we must remember that the decision was not political. (For the record, seven past & present presidential candidates signed letters to the committee requesting that one of the debates be held in New Orleans: Joseph Biden, Sam Brownback, Hillary Clinton, Christopher Dodd, John Edwards, John McCain and Barack Obama.)

Anyway, this reminds me of the way the NRA seems to hold rallies in cities recently affected by gun-toting mass murderers, as if they want to make the pain worse. I wish I believed in a hell because it would put a big, fat smile on my face knowing these scumbags would be taking the A-Train straight there as soon as they kicked the bucket.

David Hawes @ 18:

ohio progressive @ 13:

David Hawes @ 12:

ashton @ 9: First I laughed out loud-then I got the same creepy feeling.

...how long before Gary Bauer gets caught in a bathroom stall doing the craig dance....

Awww.Jest kids havin fun.

But,but He's gtta knife! That's noat a noife THAT's a noife!

L.A. Confidential @ 8:

I didn't see the Clinton's forcing war, death, debt and economic devastation down everyones throats during the 90's.

Anyone else?

No, we just had to take NAFTA, welfare reform, no healthcare(which they were going to get and 8 years later. nothing) Then of course, we had Travelgate. Filegate, Monicagate, Jennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, Whitewater, Fostergate, Ken Starr, Inpeachment, a Republican Congress, and some I am sure I have missed.

Can anyone get through to Obama and Clinton that there are great oportunities to attack McCain, not each other?

ohio progressive @ 20:

L.A. Confidential @ 17:

ferrofluid @ 15:

Do not do the Rethugs job for them Hillary.

What I wonder about is why you Obamanians hate older Americans.

Funny, I was just gonna ask why you Hillary Halo people hate younger americans...

after all, that was her strongest point in the last several weeks-- obama is too young to be president, and your kids will suffer for it..

isnt it part of the bush-lite baby boomer creed to grab all you can and to hell with everybody else.
The baby boomers are for anything which is relevant to their generation until their generation goes beyond that point.
then its onto the next must have point, the big scare about pensions these days, health care for kids who cares.

The dark forces are gathering down in NOLA. Where's Marie LaVeaux when we need her?

to take a socialist progressive democrat thinking perspective, you establish a level playing field safety net,
beyond this nobody falls, and everybody has enough to eat and minimal health care and a chance to get a job.
Luxuries and consumer goods are earnt as most people would think is proper, but a basic decent standard of living for people is a basic right.

Negative growth next 4 to 6 months.

ferrofluid @ 29:

to take a socialist progressive democrat thinking perspective, you establish a level playing field safety net,
beyond this nobody falls, and everybody has enough to eat and minimal health care and a chance to get a job.
Luxuries and consumer goods are earnt as most people would think is proper, but a basic decent standard of living for people is a basic right.

That's pinkocommie thinking. But very true.

SassySandy @ 25:

L.A. Confidential @ 8:

I didn't see the Clinton's forcing war, death, debt and economic devastation down everyones throats during the 90's.

Anyone else?

No, we just had to take NAFTA, welfare reform, no healthcare(which they were going to get and 8 years later. nothing) Then of course, we had Travelgate. Filegate, Monicagate, Jennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, Whitewater, Fostergate, Ken Starr, Inpeachment, a Republican Congress, and some I am sure I have missed.

That does it. I will definately not be voting for Bill Clinton this November.

Ex Prime minister Tony Blair for all his smarmyness did one very good thing in the UK in the late 90s,
he established the minimum that was considered decent to live on, upping the minimum wage and getting the family credit schem working, so that families would have a guiaranteed 250 UKP to live on per week.
Britain and its economy did not collapse into a socialist mess (as predicted by republicans) and its economy and people are thriving.

ferrofluid @ 27:

ohio progressive @ 20:

L.A. Confidential @ 17:

ferrofluid @ 15:

What I wonder about is why you Obamanians hate older Americans.

Funny, I was just gonna ask why you Hillary Halo people hate younger americans...

after all, that was her strongest point in the last several weeks-- obama is too young to be president, and your kids will suffer for it..

isnt it part of the bush-lite baby boomer creed to grab all you can and to hell with everybody else.
The baby boomers are for anything which is relevant to their generation until their generation goes beyond that point.
then its onto the next must have point, the big scare about pensions these days, health care for kids who cares.

IMO, the concerns about pensions are legit. People worked for that money- pensions are simply wages deferred until , roughly, retirement.

And I think you're making an "or" argument that isn't there. It's not "Pensions OR SCHIP".

I think that the pension concerns cross party lines. There are a lot of Red and Blue voters who would be harmed if their pensions went *POOF*. Children's Healthcare seems to be divided along politically, not age-related, fault lines, however.

L.A. Confidential @ 8:

ohio progressive @ 7:

AngryOne @ 1:

In what many in the GOP came to view as the 11th Commandment, Ronald Reagan famously said," Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican." Hillary Clinton, it would now appear, is taking his advice to heart. Not content to merely lambast the supposed inexperience of Barack Obama, Clinton's scorched-earth campaign has lavished praise on John McCain as the embodiment of a commander-in-chief. Desperate to resurrect her once-fading candidacy, it is Hillary Clinton who has sadly emerged as the embodiment of Reagan's Law.

For the details, see:
"Hillary Clinton Follows Reagan's 11th Commandment."

I am hopeful that with each new cheap shot (see todays suggestion that obamas entire campaign is a big lie, and only the foreign press has been let in on it), there are fewer and fewer able to see a halo hovering over Clinton's head; and those remaining are forced to close their eyes, cover their ears, and insist that hillary is "the one" whatever is happening in the world, however dishonest her campaign becomes.

I didn't see the Clinton's forcing war, death, debt and economic devastation down everyones throats during the 90's.

Anyone else?

No. They just fucked the party raw and left it ripe for the picking in 2000.

David Hawes @ 31:

ferrofluid @ 29:

to take a socialist progressive democrat thinking perspective, you establish a level playing field safety net,
beyond this nobody falls, and everybody has enough to eat and minimal health care and a chance to get a job.
Luxuries and consumer goods are earnt as most people would think is proper, but a basic decent standard of living for people is a basic right.

That's pinkocommie thinking. But very true.

I wonder what would happen to the average republican's ickle mind if they knew that jebus was a commie back in the day.

ferrofluid @ 33:

Ex Prime minister Tony Blair for all his smarmyness did one very good thing in the UK in the late 90s,
he established the minimum that was considered decent to live on, upping the minimum wage and getting the family credit schem working, so that families would have a guiaranteed 250 UKP to live on per week.
Britain and its economy did not collapse into a socialist mess (as predicted by republicans) and its economy and people are thriving.

Amazing! Give the peasents something to Live for and the economy grows! Brilliant!

David Hawes @ 31:

That's pinkocommie thinking. But very true.

Goldman Sachs Morgan Stanley Citigroup Lehman Brothers JP Morgan would leave out the But Very True part.

slippy hussein toad @ 35:

L.A. Confidential @ 8:

ohio progressive @ 7:

AngryOne @ 1:

I am hopeful that with each new cheap shot (see todays suggestion that obamas entire campaign is a big lie, and only the foreign press has been let in on it), there are fewer and fewer able to see a halo hovering over Clinton's head; and those remaining are forced to close their eyes, cover their ears, and insist that hillary is "the one" whatever is happening in the world, however dishonest her campaign becomes.

I didn't see the Clinton's forcing war, death, debt and economic devastation down everyones throats during the 90's.

Anyone else?

No. They just fucked the party raw and left it ripe for the picking in 2000.

you mean the stolen election?

Andy K @ 34:

ferrofluid @ 27:

ohio progressive @ 20:

L.A. Confidential @ 17:

Funny, I was just gonna ask why you Hillary Halo people hate younger americans...

after all, that was her strongest point in the last several weeks-- obama is too young to be president, and your kids will suffer for it..

isnt it part of the bush-lite baby boomer creed to grab all you can and to hell with everybody else.
The baby boomers are for anything which is relevant to their generation until their generation goes beyond that point.
then its onto the next must have point, the big scare about pensions these days, health care for kids who cares.

IMO, the concerns about pensions are legit. People worked for that money- pensions are simply wages deferred until , roughly, retirement.

And I think you're making an "or" argument that isn't there. It's not "Pensions OR SCHIP".

I think that the pension concerns cross party lines. There are a lot of Red and Blue voters who would be harmed if their pensions went *POOF*. Children's Healthcare seems to be divided along politically, not age-related, fault lines, however.

Theres enough Congresscritters in both houses to move important bills covering all the major topics through at the same time,
cowardice and other things stops it in reality, lobbyists whips and skeletons keeps the important stuff off the books.

ashton @ 32:

That does it. I will definately not be voting for Bill Clinton this November.

Don't come crying to me when McCain steps into the drivers seat.

ferrofluid @ 33:

Ex Prime minister Tony Blair for all his smarmyness did one very good thing in the UK in the late 90s,
he established the minimum that was considered decent to live on, upping the minimum wage and getting the family credit schem working, so that families would have a guiaranteed 250 UKP to live on per week.
Britain and its economy did not collapse into a socialist mess (as predicted by republicans) and its economy and people are thriving.

And this didn't create a sense of entitlement in Britain? Surely this unleashed an entire decade of nothing but welfare queens driving around in Cadil...er..Jaguars.

L.A. Confidential @ 38:

David Hawes @ 31:

That's pinkocommie thinking. But very true.

Goldman Sachs Morgan Stanley Citigroup Lehman Brothers JP Morgan would leave out the But Very True part.

Yup. Facists always hate commies.

L.A. Confidential @ 41:

ashton @ 32:

That does it. I will definately not be voting for Bill Clinton this November.

Don't come crying to me when McCain steps into the drivers seat.

I will try to restrain myself.

clinton-bush= good cop-bad cop. they work for the same team.

L.A. Confidential @ 41:

ashton @ 32:

That does it. I will definately not be voting for Bill Clinton this November.

Don't come crying to me when McCain steps into the drivers seat.

This is why so many progressives, including Feingold and other Obama supporters, are concerned about the corrupt efforts of the Clinton camp to dishonestly win the nomination.

If she is successful, she'll be handing the whitehouse over to mccain

that's why, as so many hillary halo people are claiming, we are crying now....

....it's a done deal if she wins by cheating, now, we lose honestly in november

ashton @ 42:

ferrofluid @ 33:

Ex Prime minister Tony Blair for all his smarmyness did one very good thing in the UK in the late 90s,
he established the minimum that was considered decent to live on, upping the minimum wage and getting the family credit schem working, so that families would have a guiaranteed 250 UKP to live on per week.
Britain and its economy did not collapse into a socialist mess (as predicted by republicans) and its economy and people are thriving.

And this didn't create a sense of entitlement in Britain? Surely this unleashed an entire decade of nothing but welfare queens driving around in Cadil...er..Jaguars.

god yes, wall to wall traffic jams comprising nothing but rollers, jags, cadis and C5s.

ohio progressive @ 46:

L.A. Confidential @ 41:

ashton @ 32:

That does it. I will definately not be voting for Bill Clinton this November.

Don't come crying to me when McCain steps into the drivers seat.

This is why so many progressives, including Feingold and other Obama supporters, are concerned about the corrupt efforts of the Clinton camp to dishonestly win the nomination.

If she is successful, she'll be handing the whitehouse over to mccain

that's why, as so many hillary halo people are claiming, we are crying now....

....it's a done deal if she wins by cheating, now, we lose honestly in november

and 130 million goes into the bank account.

Treasury and Wall Street boyz better load up on methedrine. It's going to be a sleepless weekend. And Monday is going to get here fast.

thats Sinclair C5s btw, not Citroens or Galaxys.

From the link:

The membership list this year was a who's who of evangelical Protestant conservatives and their allies, including Dr. Dobson, Mr. Weyrich, Holland H. Coors of the beer dynasty; Wayne LaPierre of the National Riffle Association, Richard A. Viguerie of American Target Advertising, Mark Mix of the National Right to Work Committee and Grover Norquist of Americans for Tax Reform.

Okay, what's the big secret they're keeping? We all know what their separate agendas are, I think we all suspect what they're aiming at in unison.

No, we know what they're trying to do. These are the same people who've been pulling the strings of the GOP puppet show for the last 20 or 30 years.

So what's the secret? A meth-fueled orgy with illegal immigrant boys? What?

L.A. Confidential @ 49:

Treasury and Wall Street boyz better load up on methedrine. It's going to be a sleepless weekend. And Monday is going to get here fast.

Highrollers who don't pay up on thier marks eventually swim with the fishes. I have ZERO sympathy.

ferrofluid @ 48:

....it's a done deal if she wins by cheating, now, we lose honestly in november

and 130 million goes into the bank account.

Don't forget the 7 Trillion the cons put in their bank account without anyone noticing. All 300 of them.

David Hawes @ 52:

L.A. Confidential @ 49:

Treasury and Wall Street boyz better load up on methedrine. It's going to be a sleepless weekend. And Monday is going to get here fast.

Highrollers who don't pay up on thier marks eventually swim with the fishes. I have ZERO sympathy.

monday will be a cakewalk, nobody is fretting

David Hawes @ 52:

L.A. Confidential @ 49:

Treasury and Wall Street boyz better load up on methedrine. It's going to be a sleepless weekend. And Monday is going to get here fast.

Highrollers who don't pay up on thier marks eventually swim with the fishes. I have ZERO sympathy.

May be an upswing in cons jumping out of windows at some point I suspect. Be good for the street cleaners and trash haulers to get some additional overtime though.

ohio progressive @ 54:

David Hawes @ 52:

L.A. Confidential @ 49:

Treasury and Wall Street boyz better load up on methedrine. It's going to be a sleepless weekend. And Monday is going to get here fast.

Highrollers who don't pay up on thier marks eventually swim with the fishes. I have ZERO sympathy.

monday will be a cakewalk, nobody is fretting

Sure is your holding a massive short position order the bubbly.

ferrofluid @ 40:

Andy K @ 34:

ferrofluid @ 27:

ohio progressive @ 20:

isnt it part of the bush-lite baby boomer creed to grab all you can and to hell with everybody else.
The baby boomers are for anything which is relevant to their generation until their generation goes beyond that point.
then its onto the next must have point, the big scare about pensions these days, health care for kids who cares.

IMO, the concerns about pensions are legit. People worked for that money- pensions are simply wages deferred until , roughly, retirement.

And I think you're making an "or" argument that isn't there. It's not "Pensions OR SCHIP".

I think that the pension concerns cross party lines. There are a lot of Red and Blue voters who would be harmed if their pensions went *POOF*. Children's Healthcare seems to be divided along politically, not age-related, fault lines, however.

Theres enough Congresscritters in both houses to move important bills covering all the major topics through at the same time,
cowardice and other things stops it in reality, lobbyists whips and skeletons keeps the important stuff off the books.

Well, I disagree.

I know what happened with SCHIP- it passed both the Senate and House and was vetoed by Stupor Mundi. Not enough Republicans voted to override the veto.

I don't know where pension legislation stands now in Congress, but it wouldn't surprise me that if it was introduced the same thing would happen here as with the SCHIP legislation.

And that's not lobbying. That's partisan politics with the White House holding just enough power to sway a handful of Congress-people and defeat legislation that the White House opposes along philosophical lines.

L.A. Confidential @ 55:

David Hawes @ 52:

L.A. Confidential @ 49:

Treasury and Wall Street boyz better load up on methedrine. It's going to be a sleepless weekend. And Monday is going to get here fast.

Highrollers who don't pay up on thier marks eventually swim with the fishes. I have ZERO sympathy.

May be an upswing in cons jumping out of windows at some point I suspect. Be good for the street cleaners and trash haulers to get some additional overtime though.

Yeah.Crumbs for the peasents but good work if you can get it. ...BTW,I've paid cash for everything for 30 years. I may be poor but I have No Debt. So who's the better?

David Hawes @ 58:

Yeah.Crumbs for the peasents but good work if you can get it. ...BTW,I've paid cash for everything for 30 years. I may be poor but I have No Debt. So who's the better?

I won't expect to see you falling outside my office window.

I will wave and smile at the cons that do though.

L.A. Confidential @ 59:

David Hawes @ 58:

Yeah.Crumbs for the peasents but good work if you can get it. ...BTW,I've paid cash for everything for 30 years. I may be poor but I have No Debt. So who's the better?

I won't expect to see you falling outside my office window.

I will wave and smile at the cons that do though.

Nope.Got No wings. BUT If they need a push,I'm right behind em LMAO

The Clintons had the Democratic Party so exhausted from having to defend them for 8 years, we could not even put up a good fight in 2000. Everytime I hear someone mention Obama as Clintons VP, I think about Al Gore. Once she gets done, its over for Obama. He better not take that deal.

David Hawes @ 60:

L.A. Confidential @ 59:

David Hawes @ 58:

Yeah.Crumbs for the peasents but good work if you can get it. ...BTW,I've paid cash for everything for 30 years. I may be poor but I have No Debt. So who's the better?

I won't expect to see you falling outside my office window.

I will wave and smile at the cons that do though.

Nope.Got No wings. BUT If they need a push,I'm right behind em LMAO

Hey there ya go! We can team up. Excuse me Sir, you need a push? No Charge! LOL Love it.

David Hawes @ 60:

L.A. Confidential @ 59:

David Hawes @ 58:

Yeah.Crumbs for the peasents but good work if you can get it. ...BTW,I've paid cash for everything for 30 years. I may be poor but I have No Debt. So who's the better?

I won't expect to see you falling outside my office window.

I will wave and smile at the cons that do though.

Nope.Got No wings. BUT If they need a push,I'm right behind em LMAO

Hey LA- You got smart things to say. I know I'm rough sometimes,but I Love the commenters here. Well,most of em.

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David Hawes @ 60:

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David Hawes @ 58:

I won't expect to see you falling outside my office window.

I will wave and smile at the cons that do though.

Nope.Got No wings. BUT If they need a push,I'm right behind em LMAO

Hey there ya go! We can team up. Excuse me Sir, you need a push? No Charge! LOL Love it.

Absolutely Free! And none of that 'No Risk'crap.

SassySandy @ 61:

The Clintons had the Democratic Party so exhausted from having to defend them for 8 years, we could not even put up a good fight in 2000. Everytime I hear someone mention Obama as Clintons VP, I think about Al Gore. Once she gets done, its over for Obama. He better not take that deal.

If Obama can't get tough and beat Hillary he's not going to stand a chance against the Machine.

Al Gore wouldn't touch This Mess with a thousand mile pole.

David Hawes @ 64:

Absolutely Free! And none of that 'No Risk'crap.

LOL. Unconditional guarantee also that "Bush will save me" won't work approaching the pavement.

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David Hawes @ 64:

Absolutely Free! And none of that 'No Risk'crap.

LOL. Unconditional guarantee also that "Bush will save me" won't work approaching the pavement.

I'm flyinngggSplat

You uys crack me up. The 'rich' are the problem ? When did the USA become a wealth re-distribution state ? You guys need to et a grip and realize that the 'rich pay 80% 0f all income taxes paid (ALL INCOME TAXES PAID) and just thank them, instead of thinking about all you should have done/could have one to become one of them. Jealus losers! Th "rih" made this country great...all you guys do is drin the economy.

David Hawes @ 63:

Hey LA- You got smart things to say. I know I'm rough sometimes,but I Love the commenters here. Well,most of em.

Thanks it's appreciated. I appreciate your wit, insight, and common sense also.

frozen @ 69:

You uys crack me up. The 'rich' are the problem ? When did the USA become a wealth re-distribution state ? You guys need to et a grip and realize that the 'rich pay 80% 0f all income taxes paid (ALL INCOME TAXES PAID) and just thank them, instead of thinking about all you should have done/could have one to become one of them. Jealus losers! Th "rih" made this country great...all you guys do is drin the economy.

Hmmm.Another poor educated asshole heard from.

frozen @ 69:

You uys crack me up. The 'rich' are the problem ? When did the USA become a wealth re-distribution state ? You guys need to et a grip and realize that the 'rich pay 80% 0f all income taxes paid (ALL INCOME TAXES PAID) and just thank them, instead of thinking about all you should have done/could have one to become one of them. Jealus losers! Th "rih" made this country great...all you guys do is drin the economy.

Melanie? Is that you?

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David Hawes @ 63:

Hey LA- You got smart things to say. I know I'm rough sometimes,but I Love the commenters here. Well,most of em.

Thanks it's appreciated. I appreciate your wit, insight, and common sense also.

Ok but this don't mean we're gonna share warm showers in the morning LMAO

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frozen @ 69:

You uys crack me up. The 'rich' are the problem ? When did the USA become a wealth re-distribution state ? You guys need to et a grip and realize that the 'rich pay 80% 0f all income taxes paid (ALL INCOME TAXES PAID) and just thank them, instead of thinking about all you should have done/could have one to become one of them. Jealus losers! Th "rih" made this country great...all you guys do is drin the economy.

Melanie? Is that you?

Need to back off those adult beverages a little while your on the computer babe.

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L.A. Confidential @ 72:

frozen @ 69:

You uys crack me up. The 'rich' are the problem ? When did the USA become a wealth re-distribution state ? You guys need to et a grip and realize that the 'rich pay 80% 0f all income taxes paid (ALL INCOME TAXES PAID) and just thank them, instead of thinking about all you should have done/could have one to become one of them. Jealus losers! Th "rih" made this country great...all you guys do is drin the economy.

Melanie? Is that you?

Need to back off those adult beverages a little while your on the computer babe.

Umm. Last time I knew China was paying our taxes.

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David Hawes @ 63:

Hey LA- You got smart things to say. I know I'm rough sometimes,but I Love the commenters here. Well,most of em.

Thanks it's appreciated. I appreciate your wit, insight, and common sense also.

Ok but this don't mean we're gonna share warm showers in the morning LMAO

NO WAY!!!!!! Forget it!!!!! LOL

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David Hawes @ 73:

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David Hawes @ 63:

Thanks it's appreciated. I appreciate your wit, insight, and common sense also.

Ok but this don't mean we're gonna share warm showers in the morning LMAO

NO WAY!!!!!! Forget it!!!!! LOL

Just a Clint Eastwood quote.

Gotta Go. Peace.

David Hawes @ 75:

Umm. Last time I knew China was paying our taxes.

While the Feds are shearing x-billions of losses off the top of their blankets and re-attaching x-billions of new debt onto the bottom.

David Hawes @ 78:

Gotta Go. Peace.

Later