Good news, but "incredible" is not an adverb.

The votes are beginning to happen. Do you plan to run the campaign after they vote when it's meaningless?

What are you waiting for to start the calls?

If the economy keeps on it's current path, all the illegal aliens will be returning home, longing for their 'better' economy. If it takes a severe turn downward, even the descendants of the Pilgrims will be heading back to Europe. At that point, being American Indian will be cool.

CD @ 4:

Don't forget that when you target Blue Dogs for removal you risk losing the district to a Republican.

If the democrats are just as bad, who cares?

Anyone who votes for this crap legitimizes it, and they are not people I want on my side.

I would argue that people like Lieberman are more damaging to the world than his republican clones.

Right now the democrats are afraid of the alienating the completely wrong constituency. Screw them, make them afraid of their base.

Phil @ 7:

CD @ 4:

Don't forget that when you target Blue Dogs for removal you risk losing the district to a Republican.

If the democrats are just as bad, who cares?

Anyone who votes for this crap legitimizes it, and they are not people I want on my side.

I would argue that people like Lieberman are more damaging to the world than his republican clones.

Right now the democrats are afraid of the alienating the completely wrong constituency. Screw them, make them afraid of their base.

Are we to become a political party where everyone must hold identical views?

This is pretty good, any effort towards understanding a solution to FISA is important. Especially, any amnesty towards corporations for violations in law regarding privacy. For heavens sakes America has already endured about twelve years of Republican controlled Congress and a Mainstream Media complicit to it avoiding any over sight till now.

No wonder is seems America is wading in a pile of dong totally ignored in over sight and media coverage that is and should have been done but abused for profiteering in the mission to Mainstream Media that has supported Bush and Company.

Just this past few hours Barney Franks was on CNBC doing an interview about what might be a good ideal to help the mortgage industry out with another three hundred billion dollar financing deal. Yikes, America stuff is really flipping around now. This deal above and beyond the two hundred billion already made and who knows how much we don’t know has been in the works already. Ladies and gentleman of America this is approaching another huge, huge scandal beyond the charted economics we usually deal with or are told about.

Its time to say stop this funding of the stock market and let it work it self out. It seems real sensible if the powers that be are going to rob money through the Treasury which it looks like Bush and Company are doing, it might well be for a good score. My prophecy is that Bush and the Neo-Con’s have siphoned any where from twenty to forty trillion dollars in cover ups that America does not know about. This is only a prediction which would be anywhere from five to ten times Americas gross national expenses divided out to secret agreements around the world that would be difficult to recapture considering international laws.

Yes, money laws count, here and around the world, but personal privacy or torture, morality, and basic needs in America do not count. The Neo-Con’s new world order. The Market that is freely your money. Sorry Barney, its time to bow out just as the governor did.

CD @ 9:

Phil @ 7:

CD @ 4:

Don't forget that when you target Blue Dogs for removal you risk losing the district to a Republican.

If the democrats are just as bad, who cares?

Anyone who votes for this crap legitimizes it, and they are not people I want on my side.

I would argue that people like Lieberman are more damaging to the world than his republican clones.

Right now the democrats are afraid of the alienating the completely wrong constituency. Screw them, make them afraid of their base.

Are we to become a political party where everyone must hold identical views?

What a ridiculous strawman.

That's not remotely what I said, and it is boorish of you to pretend it is.

It's not asking too much of democrats to, say, not contribute to the destruction of the constitution or this tragedy of a war.

If they want to act like republicans I will treat them as such.

Do you hear O or C making a big deal about FISA? Are they chaining themselves to the Constitution in any of their ads? Nope. They’re to busy slapping each other about who gets to go first, ho's or bro's.
Has Pelosi made this a make or break deal as to who gets money for their district or support for their campaign? Nope. She campaigned for bush dogs because "... campaigning for incumbents is what we do."
Before the primary season did you bother to find out whether your Rep would sit-on-their-ass-and-let-it-all-pass-by or hide-under-their-desk-until-the big-boys-decide or cleave-to-the-money-and-to-hell-with-the-consequences-to-the-rule-of-law? And are you now surprised to find them AWOL in the fight to save our Constitution?
When Pelosi took impeachment off the table, did you or your Rep cry foul or did you think it was enough to have a ’dem’ majority?
Singling out these four is like trying to swat a few flies to keep a corpse from rotting.
Somehow, out of the disaster America is tumbling into I hope all of you dem uber alles quit chasing the brie-and-chardonnay fantasy that constitutes the neo-liberal economic and political philosophy of those that own the party. If you really want to make a difference, send a few bucks to someone brave enough to take a lonely stand in enemy territory for the sake of the future of the world.

http://www.cindyforcongress.org/

Phil, point to the ad. A mention in a few speeches at campaiagn rallies mean nothing because there he is only talking to the faithful, but show me one tv ad or even a msm interview where he draws a line in the sand. I am sorry, but the dems have made this a inside-the-beltway issue and not taken it to the people.

With all this advocating against the telecom companies, how many of you here actually took action and dumped them? I used to have verizon and signed up with tmobile.

Phil, the ad or the tv face time are the way most people get to understand what a candidate thinks is important. If it is telephone calls at 3: AM or having a positive sense of the future, then that is what the candidate come3s to stand for. I do not believe that either H or O has made big deal out of FISA in any but the most faithful forums. This is how they keep their volunteers and small contributors in line without actually taking a real stand. When it is all over and another section of the Constitution is wadded up and thrown in the trash, they will point to there vote and say, "See, I tried but those meany repubs just steamrolled us!" These two are supposed to competing to be both the leader of our country and leader of the party. If they cannot go to the bush dogs and tell them upfront that there will be consequences for trashing the Constitution then they are either toothless or are running the usual political shell game we have come to expect from dems.
(and I have just violated my policy of one comment per thread so don’t expect a running argument. Ga-day, mate!)

I begin to fear. It seems I want to vote, but fear of internal doubt. There certainly futile any hidden intent.