Cliff May: McCain was right about Iran and al Qaeda!!!

Doing his best Rick Santorum impression, Cliff May revealed Friday on "Verdict" the super-secret document proving that McCain (and his babysitter, Joe Lieberman) were wrong to correct their "misstatement" that Iran has nothing to do with training al Qaeda.

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Abrams makes the rather obvious point that whether or not May's documents prove a connection, McCain and Lieberman both corrected themselves anyway. May's excuse for this?

"He probably didn't want to explain the extent of evidence that we have of al Qaeda's connection to Iran."

Riiiight. Here's a little reminder, Cliff: When even warmongers like McCain and Lieberman distance themselves from highly dubious saber-rattling claims, chances are you should too.

Kudos to Abrams for admitting what has been painfully obvious for some time now; that the press repeatedly gives McCain a free pass, particularly when it comes to evidence that undercuts his supposed expertise in national security. Glenn has more on that.


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“He probably didn’t want to explain the extent of evidence that we have of al Qaeda’s connection to Iran.”

Yeah

Because we all realize how tedious it must be to get bullshit straight ; especially when you're a couple of centuries old like McSenile is........

May is one of the worst; he gets really agitated and antsy when someone corrects him. Sorta like Fred Barnes on meth. Funny how the goopers always have some super secret document that only they can interpret that proves them 100% correct no matter what the circumstances.

iran training al qaeda is like the hatfields training the mccoys.

or like the red sox training yankee players.

or like fire training water.

smarten up America. Please. Before its too late.

McCain will never be president, the best ad against him should/could/would just be poor old addled John in his own words.

Or nice pictures of McCain suckling at Bush's breast.

Wasn't it McCain who during one of the debates said he had the answer to some problem or other but wouldn't reveal it yet. Maybe I have the wrong repug. If it was McCain he has probably forgotten what it was by now. Or maybe Joe told him it wasn't true.

ONLY, and I mean ONLY America has a significant portion of the population that believes this idiocy. Welcome to the most technologically advanced country of morons in the world. America is nothing but an ongoing festival of ignorance.

Every time I have ever seen this retched little twerp I am amazed at his idiocy. To me it boggles the mind that this sort of cretin can even dress himself . Mclame really needs to take a look at the sort of people he has sticking up for him it only hurts his pathetic cause , and I for one am glad to see it . With minions like these who needs enemies ?

LOL Yea right and in 30 years we are going to see the McLame was correct.
There are to many ad's on this site.

And atrocious spellers, too.

The press doesn't "give a pass" to McCain, the press works FOR McCain. John McCain and the press are two divisions of the giant corporations that own both of them. Most pundits and reporters are merely marketing personnel in the giant corporations that seek to exploit everything for the profit of the very very very wealthy few at the top.

May displays an interesting use of deductive reasoning. I have been to a neighbor’s house several times, and each time I’ve been there they’ve had candy in a dish on their coffee table. Also, I have some old clothes and such that I could use to make a costume out of. Does that mean today is Halloween? Or should I take other factors into consideration? I know. Let’s ask John McWho’sit. He’ll know. He knows everything, if I remember correctly.

So let me get this straight. Over 50 Iraqs died in attacks today. And people like this moron are beating the drums against Iran. If we didn't go to Iraq, and diverted our military we could have gotten Bin Laden. People like May will not be satified until our military is spent and the middle class is in the dust. Another neo-con who is losing credibility. And sadly many Americans buy this crap!

woodguy @ 2:

Funny how the goopers always have some super secret document that only they can interpret that proves them 100% correct no matter what the circumstances.

Kinda like Rove's fuzzy math, which predicted a GOP sweep for the 2006 mid-term elections.

Yeah right Cliff, like you have some privileged special clearance to top secret documents. That's bullshit, just like your "surge" amd WMD's.

It's official People! Over 4000 soldiers dead. MSNBC is covering. Grim milestone indeed!

Super secret document? Well I'm pretty sure it's a lie but if it isn't,......It shows that McCain can't be trusted with state secrets and leaks them just for political gain.

Amazing at the bullshit that still spews from the likes of May. Sad to even think there are ppl that believe it.
wtf happend to america? its ppl and its brains. aside from those in power sucking money from the soon to be gone middle class to the poor dont count vote!

MCcain is a lose cannon, lieberman his powder and those that vote for him, his match of which will strike the world into complete and untter chaos. Compared to what we have now is CNN MSNBC CBS and FOX controlled panic chaos!

Cliff May is like Bill Kristol, Fred Kagan, Dick Morris--they have NEVER been correct about anything. Keep dreaming Cliffie--because you are soooo wrong.

If there is another FALSE FLAG TERROR event anywhere in the near future (inside U.S. or out) I hope all the people stuck in there little LEFT vs RIGHT bubble will WAKE THE FU*K UP! Stop living in your safe world of denial. The Elite want that Iranian Oil and they are determined to use your sons, fathers, brothers, wives, and sisters to get it. McCains GAFF was no such thing!...the NEOCON echo chamber of lies STAR THIS WAY...

Now this is the second NEWS report to start that echo....KYRA PHILLIPS was the first.

Google Flase Flag Terror and learn something..please?

These ads are loud and annoying.

I woulld hate to think i left this site because i had to decide between C&L and peace of mind.

Right wingers have no idea how to admit they were wrong. They'd sooner drive us all over the cliff.

Cliff May?Who is he?Is this guy the first Democrat to become a neocon?Or is Cliff May not?It looks like this guy wants war with Iran.These folks are crazier than the people they want to kill.

R @ 21:

Right wingers have no idea how to admit they were wrong. They'd sooner drive us all over the cliff.

Yeah, but the Dems are also in the car, with their foot on the pedal too.

I just wish they would stop inviting Cliff May on any of their programs. He's never right, and he can never back up his opinions with verifiable facts. There are always, as someone said earlier, some super secret document that only they can get access to, that proves beyond any doubt whatsoever that they are right, even though everything else that's been released proves them wrong. Cliff May is nothing by a right-wing mouthpiece, sent out to disseminate acerebralist talking points. He contributes nothing worthwhile to the discussion. Stop having him on. If you're short a guest, talk to an empty chair. At least it's wrong less often than Cliff May.

sully18 @ 22:

Cliff May?Who is he?Is this guy the first Democrat to become a neocon?Or is Cliff May not?It looks like this guy wants war with Iran.These folks are crazier than the people they want to kill.

I believe he was on the Baker-Hamilton Iraq Study Group , wasn't he ; frightening that he's this ignorant and stupid , isn't it ?

Cliff is a fucking idiot, period!

Scott @ 19:

If there is another FALSE FLAG TERROR event anywhere in the near future (inside U.S. or out) I hope all the people stuck in there little LEFT vs RIGHT bubble will WAKE THE FU*K UP! Stop living in your safe world of denial. The Elite want that Iranian Oil and they are determined to use your sons, fathers, brothers, wives, and sisters to get it. McCains GAFF was no such thing!...the NEOCON echo chamber of lies STAR THIS WAY...

Now this is the second NEWS report to start that echo....KYRA PHILLIPS was the first.

Google Flase Flag Terror and learn something..please?

Good post Scott,but one notable error.There is nothing safe about denial.It`s the killer that let Bushco destroy Iraq, and to a lesser degree the US of A.

Oh, for crying out loud!

You know, even if evidence is unearthed that Shi'ite-controlled Iran and al Qaeda have some sort of enemy-of-my-enemy relationship, that's not really the point. The point is that Gone InSane, like George WTF Bush, doesn't know the difference between the two!

When the Oval Office Orangutan was asked the difference between Shi'ites and Sunnis in Iraq, he responded, "I thought they were all Muslim." Such monumental and catastrophic ignorance (the kind that the 29-percenters value) is going to get us all killed -- especially when the press backs it up. With the likes of Susan Page noting that "most Americans can't tell you the difference between Sunnis and Shiites, either," as though that's some sort of excuse. It's not an excuse for people like John McCain; it's the fault of people like John McCain -- people who repeatedly conflate all Muslim groups and all terrorist groups as "the enemy."

Why do I get the sick feeling that if Mcain wins we'll be attacking Iran? Gotta keep the war machine and the desperate grab for what's left of the world's cheap oil going don't we neo-traitors?

Take care of your kids and feed them well. They'll be needed for the battles to come. Zieg Heil.

Why should anyone expect the warmongers to be correct about any of this.

They have no experience in being correct.

What they have considerable experience in is war profiteering.

It must be thrilling to make the sort profits these folks have been raking in.

War with Iran would be the mother lode.

Just think of all of the money they would need to borrow.

Don't think of the cost of lives though.

As for Purim being the Jewish Halloween, ehh, who cares? I grew up Jewish, and we used to call it that at my temple. We would explain the holiday as one of the few festive Jewish holidays, celebrated in a manner akin to Halloween -- by dressing up in costumes, and sharing and eating treats. It wasn't meant to denigrate the holiday or to explain the reason for the holiday.

Chinese New Year is just like Haloween too in much the way that Homeland Security is just like Savaak.

It is Sieg Heil.

Still doesn't change the fact that the connections are there, but then I suppose the 911 Commission was "dubious" in their findings?

Cliff May has taken a far-right turn to the Twilight Zone, when he tries to spin a gaffe into a brilliant comparison, or another gaffe into super-secret knowledge leaked inadvertently.

Repugs are beyond pathetic.

yakfitguy @ 29:

Why do I get the sick feeling that if Mcain wins we'll be attacking Iran? Gotta keep the war machine and the desperate grab for what's left of the world's cheap oil going don't we neo-traitors?

Take care of your kids and feed them well. They'll be needed for the battles to come. Zieg Heil.

No matter who wins, someone is going to get attacked.

PNAC, and its democratic enablers, didn't go to all these measures to let up now - what because of an (s)election?

Barack has stated that he would attack Pakistan, Hillary...well the Iraq war was fine with her, and she gave authorization for vague language on Iran...McCain, well he's just plain batshit crazy-old.

All of the candidates background advisers and full-time revolving-door governmental cronies are CFR, Trilaterals, or some other bloody mixture of elitist scum (you know, the psychopathic class) - and since its the Democrats turn to helm the Titanic as she spends herself into debt slavery/Dee(O)pression, you will likely have the ZBig guy working his New World Order machinations all over Obama.

Just watch.

We remember this clown.
here we go again ...Lying to the american people part III

part II
935 False Statements and Lies of the Bush Administration
http://icasualties.org/oif/
http://www.brasschecktv.com/index.php?call=category&id=8

Jack Moss @ 34:

Still doesn't change the fact that the connections are there, but then I suppose the 911 Commission was "dubious" in their findings?

The only "proof" you posted was from a right wing hack with zero credibility. Get your head out of your ass, even your syncophant patsy Petraeus says that presumption is false.

And the difference between Bush's America and Hitler's Germany is what again? I forgot.

Jack Moss @ 34:

Still doesn't change the fact that the connections are there, but then I suppose the 911 Commission was "dubious" in their findings?

The 9/11 Commission knows more about foreign deals/partnerships than every intelligence organization on the planet , eh you GOP stooge ?

Nice site ya' got there BTW ; who designed that piece of shit ?

Your retarded twin ? In other words , identical .............

And of course there were really WMD and they took all of them to Portugal...or was it Bosnia... or wait, wait it was Syria. Yeah, that's it Syria.

The thing is that if Iran was training Al Qaeda it would be big news that the Department of State would be on every news show telling us this nonsense.

Are we to believe that only this May jerk would know about this?

Only somebody like McCain would believe this crap.

Jack Moss @ 34:

Still doesn't change the fact that the connections are there, but then I suppose the 911 Commission was "dubious" in their findings?

Right, and that is why instead of linking to the actual 9/11 commission, you link to the "interpretation" by a raving lunatic right wing radio host.

I guess intellectual dishonesty comes second nature to you guys.

I know that right wingers believe their shit don't stink. However, let me remind you that your shit does not equal to facts because you just pulled out of your ass.

Cliff May is a PARTISAN PIG who puts the Republican party before country every time. He is a hypocrite who has so completely lost touch with reality that he probably believes the political diarrhea that he spews. Make him go away.

Captain Hussein Kangaroo @ 41:

And of course there were really WMD and they took all of them to Portugal...or was it Bosnia... or wait, wait it was Syria. Yeah, that's it Syria.

Actually that was the line of thought by the US Dept of Defense. I mean this guys get like 60% of the budget, and employ geniuses that actually believe that blood thirsty dictator would ship overnight all his most effective offensive weapons overseas, so that he could be defeated and executed... just so that he could make Bush look "bad."

Sometimes, you just can't make this shit up...

CowboyBob in Austin @ 46:

Cliff May is a PARTISAN PIG who puts the Republican party before country every time. He is a hypocrite who has so completely lost touch with reality that he probably believes the political diarrhea that he spews. Make him go away.

No, put him on every news show. Let everybody know what kind of assholes the U.S. has to deal with to get past the shit ot reality.

4000 American soldiers killed before Easter Sunday, 2008, was over!

The Dude @ 47:

Captain Hussein Kangaroo @ 41:

And of course there were really WMD and they took all of them to Portugal...or was it Bosnia... or wait, wait it was Syria. Yeah, that's it Syria.

Actually that was the line of thought by the US Dept of Defense. I mean this guys get like 60% of the budget, and employ geniuses that actually believe that blood thirsty dictator would ship overnight all his most effective offensive weapons overseas, so that he could be defeated and executed... just so that he could make Bush look "bad."

Sometimes, you just can't make this shit up...

Well, Hucklby believes it.

cliff may is a dried up piece of shit

shooting him dead would only raise his IQ

I thought May had crawled under a rock or something. I haven't seen that fool for a long time. At any rate, this is the same bull that they used in the buildup to Iraq and as we all know, the so called Iraq/Al Qaeda connection also was proven false by many sources. An Iran/Al Qaeda connection is even more unlikely but these twits obviously are going to try and use that excuse. Anyone that buys May's reasoning is just asking to be called stupid.

Captain Hussein Kangaroo @ 50:

The Dude @ 47:

Captain Hussein Kangaroo @ 41:

And of course there were really WMD and they took all of them to Portugal...or was it Bosnia... or wait, wait it was Syria. Yeah, that's it Syria.

Actually that was the line of thought crap by the US Dept of Defense. I mean this guys get like 60% of the budget, and employ geniuses that actually believe that blood thirsty dictator would ship overnight all his most effective offensive weapons overseas, so that he could be defeated and executed... just so that he could make Bush look "bad."

Sometimes, you just can't make this shit up...

Fixed.

Jack Moss @ 34:

Still doesn't change the fact that the connections are there, but then I suppose the 911 Commission was "dubious" in their findings?

Connections aren't there no matter what kind of political spin the pretend 911 Commission puts on it. Most of these connections and facts laid out by the Bush drones are about as accurate as saying Mars might be made of cheese. We don't know for sure, but it could be. US intelligence proved itself totally inept not just under the Bush Admin, but for a long long time.

As the sh** continued to flow from the mouths of these 'heroes' of the Right -the blood of 4 more soldiers just made the number of deaths reach the the 4000 mark.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7310924.stm

I thought this asshat went away 2 or 3 years ago when everything out of his mouth was proved to be false!

On second thought, if Bill Kristol & David Frum can survive never being right, I guess Cliff May can as well.

Hey now look! Just because it's 100% false doesn't mean it can't be 100% true!

GonzoD @ 56:

I thought this asshat went away 2 or 3 years ago when everything out of his mouth was proved to be false!

On second thought, if Bill Kristol & David Frum can survive never being right, I guess Cliff May can as well.

Let's not forget John Bolton, Condomhead Rice, and Dick "So?" Cheney.

Cliff--we're sending you four thousand bloody flags that you can wave as proof of the efficacy of your argument. I'm sure it will be a great success, just like your WMD search and "surge."

And don't worry about running out of bloody flags to wave, I'm sure there will be lots more we can send you thanks your gang of thieves, liars, and warmongers.

Dahgrostab'ph-r-i @ 57:

Hey now look! Just because it's 100% false doesn't mean it can't be 100% true!

Every time I hear one of these BS spouting sacks of monkey dung, I'm reminded of Powell's dog and pony show at the UN, that had the entire world staring in disbelief and then laughing their asses off at the nice "hand drawn proof".

Mark Cartwright @ 39:

And the difference between Bush's America and Hitler's Germany is what again? I forgot.

The Nazis were amatures.

Al Qaeda-In-Iraq is a MINISCULE part of our problem in Iraq. Everybody KNOWS this... and everybody lets these political HACKS get away with regurgitating the "Al Qaeda-In-Iraq" threat every chance they get.

For YEARS... their part of their level of violence against Americans has ranged from THREE TO FIVE PERCENT of all violence committed in Iraq. Now McCain LIES ABOUT THEIR INVOLVEMENT WITH IRAN... FOR DAYS ON END... and he goes un-challenged at every turn.

What the fuck is this... THE SOVIET UNION?

Have we become so brain-dead that we will tolerate lies and innuendo to replace facts? How soon will it be before the Iraqi prisoners in the Abu Grabe pictures will be Photo-shopped into pictures of performing puppies at the Iraqi Shriners' Circus? How soon will we see piles of recently-discovered gas canisters buried in some garbage dump outside of Baghdad? AHA! There they are! The WMD's!

4000 Americans dead!
More than 100,000 Iraqis dead!

For God's sake... ENOUGH!

ConcernedCanuck @ 60:

Dahgrostab'ph-r-i @ 57:

Hey now look! Just because it's 100% false doesn't mean it can't be 100% true!

Every time I hear one of these BS spouting sacks of monkey dung, I'm reminded of Powell's dog and pony show at the UN, that had the entire world staring in disbelief and then laughing their asses off at the nice "hand drawn proof".

I'm always reminded of that myself and everytime I recall it I just can't get away from remembering Powell's cartoons and hand drawn "evidence'. That, surely will go down in history as one of the most unbelievable or even comical moments at the UN. Maybe May is going to go even further and present as evidence a picture of two hand drawn stick figures shaking hands. One stick figure being Bin Laden and the other Ahmadinejad.

Jack Moss @ 34:

Still doesn't change the fact that the connections are there, but then I suppose the 911 Commission was "dubious" in their findings?

Folks, I would personally recommend not insulting Jack Moss, and simply respond to the merits and faults of his post.

Indeed, the 9/11 Commission Report did extensively examine connections between otherwise rival groups and sects, and did note times when certain members of al Qaeda and certain officials in Iran both advocated and fostered some cooperation. You can read the actual report here (PDF).

But so what? How is that relevant to John McCain's statements (and subsequent self-corrections) that we know that right now, Iran is training al Qaeda in Iraq? Does it make it somewhat more plausible that that's the case? Maybe -- though there are no intelligence reports right now that indicate that that's the case, and the administration keeps altering its descriptions of our Iraqi enemy (insurgents, al Qaeda, Iranians, extremists, etc.) in alarmingly Orwellian fashion.

The real problem is that McCain and other eager warmongers seem neither to know nor care about the differences among various international Muslim groups and countries, and are perfectly happy to conflate them all to drum up bigotry, fear and support for their ambitions.

Nothing could evidence that more than McCain's recent behavior. When people listening to him closely point out that intimate, long-term connections between radical Shi'ites and radical Sunnis sound implausible, does he regale us with his superior knowledge of the sects and their histories, and cite reports to make his case? No. He just says, "Oh, uh, yeah, I meant 'extremists,'" and repeats the error somewhere else.

Whatever McCain was in the past, he is now an ignoramus promoting ignorance to stay friendly with the Republican base, and keep U.S. wars going. Until McCain can explain all the nuances contained in the 9/11 Commission's study, any reference to it should undermine the notion that McCain ought to be in charge of our foreign policy.

I absolutely will not insult Jack Moss. I will leave that to intelligence. After all Jack insulted him first.

This May fuck, David Drier, and that big manly bitch, Karen Hughes, I'd love to slap the shit out of any of them right in the middle of their lies. My head hurts whenever I'm forced to listen to these professional lying asshats.

MCMetal @ 25:

sully18 @ 22:
I believe he was on the Baker-Hamilton Iraq Study Group , wasn't he ; frightening that he's this ignorant and stupid , isn't it ?

I'm showing the members as James A. Baker, III, Lee H. Hamilton, Robert M. Gates, Vernon E. Jordan, Jr., Edwin Meese III, Sandra Day O'Connor, Leon E. Panetta, William J. Perry, Charles S. Robb, and Alan K. Simpson.

Cliff May looks like yet another neocon armchair warrior. I'm not aware of any military experience.

As far as the media giving McCain a pass, I think they would give Clinton a pass too, if the crux was to support bombing of Iran, since that is an Israel priority. I think that if Pakistan continues to remain settled down, that bombing of Iran will happen, although, I have heard that China has threatened to flood the markets with dollars if that happens. That may be Bush's biggest foreign policy blunder; Republican borrow and spend economics has allowed China to hold financial leverage over the U.S. I don't think that Jesus will miracle away the deficit, and so long as he doesn't, we need China. So, Bush's economic policies of running up the deficits is the biggest impediment to bombing Iran.

These right wingers have been WRONG about EVERYTHING so why do we keep listening to them?

xoites Hussein defends Constitution @ 61:

Mark Cartwright @ 39:

And the difference between Bush's America and Hitler's Germany is what again? I forgot.

The Nazis were amatures.

These people have a propaganda tool Goebbels could have only dreamed of....Television.

yakfitguy @ 69:

xoites Hussein defends Constitution @ 61:

Mark Cartwright @ 39:

And the difference between Bush's America and Hitler's Germany is what again? I forgot.

The Nazis were amatures.

These people have a propaganda tool Goebbels could have only dreamed of....Television.

Not to mention the Bush gang has had the luxury of studying them and learning what their mistakes were.

God help us when the next crew figures out what Bush did wrong.

motorfingaz @ 68:

These right wingers have been WRONG about EVERYTHING so why do we keep listening to them?

Because most Americans are so ignorant (thanks major media!), they lack the facts to be able to put anything in context. They can't separate the truth from the lies anymore.

Sometimes I wonder, given the consumerism and narcissistic behavior that's rampant in this country, if they really care anyway.

xoites Hussein defends Constitution @ 70:

yakfitguy @ 69:

xoites Hussein defends Constitution @ 61:

Mark Cartwright @ 39:

The Nazis were amatures.

These people have a propaganda tool Goebbels could have only dreamed of....Television.

Not to mention the Bush gang has had the luxury of studying them and learning what their mistakes were.

God help us when the next crew figures out what Bush did wrong.

I agree. This is only practice for what is about to come.

yakfitguy @ 72:

xoites Hussein defends Constitution @ 70:

yakfitguy @ 69:

xoites Hussein defends Constitution @ 61:

These people have a propaganda tool Goebbels could have only dreamed of....Television.

Not to mention the Bush gang has had the luxury of studying them and learning what their mistakes were.

God help us when the next crew figures out what Bush did wrong.

I agree. This is only practice for what is about to come.

Easy to become complacent in the worst of times. Most people will forget all about Bush when he is gone.

Mark Cartwright @ 39:

And the difference between Bush’s America and Hitler’s Germany is what again? I forgot.

Bush hasn't invaded Belgium or France. Yet.

xoites Hussein defends Constitution @ 73:

yakfitguy @ 72:

xoites Hussein defends Constitution @ 70:

yakfitguy @ 69:

Not to mention the Bush gang has had the luxury of studying them and learning what their mistakes were.

God help us when the next crew figures out what Bush did wrong.

I agree. This is only practice for what is about to come.

Easy to become complacent in the worst of times. Most people will forget all about Bush when he is gone.

Just like they forgot about Bush's dad once Clinton was elected. Did people really think these bastards would retire? They have a long term plan for America and it isn't good.

Check out PNAC's (Project for the new American Century) website if anyone has any doubts...

Sometimes you read this stuff that the Repubs spew, or it comes out of Fox News, or whatever artichoke they send out to defend their crapola, and you begin to wonder, "is it me?" Then you see Dagwood dancing on the steps of the WH while the press giggles and applauds and Darth Vader responds to a question regarding the necessity of starting this mess with and answer of "so?" and you begin to think that maybe it is you because they seem to be okay with it. Meanwhile you are shrieking and reaching for something to throw, your blood pressure is rising to new heights, and Dana Perino is doing a daily verbal tapdance as if she were rehearsing a number on Dancing With the Stars! Then McCain goes off to Iraq and gets his facts all wrong and the media suggests that it is just McCain being McCain. And then you know that it really is you because otherwise they all would be stark raving mad and how can anyone account for their being in charge. I need to lay down somewhere. I now have my answer.

May is wrong that this isn't a gaffe, but I'd say that his comment about the supposed similarity between Purim and Halloween is a lot worse. By that rationale, any event in which people dress up is comparable to Purim. Really, Dan Abrams countered this guy fairly well, but THEY NEED TO STOP HAVING THESE PEOPLE ON THIS SHOW. As someone said above, they'd sooner lead us all into Apocalypse than admit they were wrong. May is a lunatic.

What a tool.

Why do they have these talking asses on T.V.? Why give them time to explain? Why don't we just go ask McCain to explain? He's the one that had a senior moment.

hi....im cliff may, and im an apologist for an asshat

xoites Hussein defends Constitution @ 65:

I absolutely will not insult Jack Moss. I will leave that to intelligence. After all Jack insulted him first.

Jack Moss ?

More like Jack Off ...........Check out Jack's quaint little web site , BTW ?

Makes townhall.com seem like it's been over-funded by Murdoch and the Coors and Walton families.

Hey cliff, it's dark inside your mouth and it's dark inside your anus; I think someone could easily confuse the two.

Bill Maher On "Warrior" John McCain
3 min - Mar 23, 2008
Bill takes on John mccain in this week's "New Rules."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-YbyhCTy9M

Jack Moss @ 34:

Still doesn't change the fact that the connections are there, but then I suppose the 911 Commission was "dubious" in their findings?

There are too many holes with the 911 commission findings. Too many questions weren't answered. I don't think the 911 commission is a good source of intelligence.

Here's my question:

Why is Cliff May, who has been wrong about everything from the Iraq War to whether or not those are crab lice in his beard, is on TeeVee at all................for anything.

Since the end of the Reagan Revolution II a la George Bush, these Republican hacks seem to have aged considerably. Getting drunk a lot is a known GOP weekend hobby but ol Cliff looks like he's taken to startinghis weekends on Wednesdays! And that would explain his Rum Dumb message...

From the National Review Online
[The comments aren't going so good for Cliffy over on the CBS News site where this column is reprinted, address below. No commenting on NRO site.]

http://tinyurl.com/2jf6qb
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/20/opinion/main3954228.shtml

The Long War
Yes, we’ve been in Iraq five years and counting; and yes, the outcome counts.

By Clifford D. May

Five years ago this month, American troops liberated Iraq from Saddam Hussein. Then came the hard part.

American intelligence had been wrong about Saddam’s stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction: They were nowhere to be found. Most academic experts had failed to perceive the currents of religious extremism and sectarianism running just beneath Iraq’s secular surface. State Department consultants and U.N. advisors proved unequal to the task of building democratic political institutions quickly from scratch.

The media had understated Saddam’s barbarism: It had been too risky to report in depth on the mass graves Saddam filled with dissidents; the tens of thousands of Kurds gassed to death in their villages; the camps where Saddam trained terrorists for assignments abroad. As a consequence, few anticipated how severely Iraqis had been traumatized.

And America’s military, so adept at bringing down a dictator, was unprepared for the “small war” that would follow: terrorist attacks on innocent Iraqis that the “international community” would blame not on the perpetrators — but on America.

Like most military strategists of the late 20th century, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld envisioned wars of the 21st century as akin to computer games. Advanced technology, more than blood and sweat, was supposed to be decisive. And in a place like Iraq, it was believed, the U.S. “footprint” should be as light as possible because close proximity to American soldiers would surely incite the natives to violence.

The result of so many errors and misjudgments was catastrophic. Three years after the liberation of Iraq from Saddam, much of the country had been taken over by al-Qaeda. Other areas were under the sway of Iranian proxies, in chaos, or close to civil war.

Iraq’s military had been disbanded by the American envoy, L. Paul Bremer. America’s forces were cooped up in heavily guarded Forward Operating Bases (FOBs) waiting for actionable intelligence that seldom arrived. When it did, they would drive their vehicles to battle down roads their enemies had lined with bombs.

Finally, after the 2006 election rebuke to President Bush, a new Defense Secretary, Robert Gates, was assigned to the Pentagon, and a new commander, Gen. David Petraeus, was deployed to the field of battle. American forces set out to liberate Iraq — for a second time.

The Petraeus strategy was nothing if not counterintuitive: He gave the enemy more targets and assigned them to more vulnerable positions — outside the well-guarded FOBs and in the shadowy streets. But once the Iraqis understood why the Americans were there — to defend them from terrorists — they provided a wealth of intelligence. Before long, Americans and Iraqis were fighting side by side against their common Islamist enemies.

That was historic. It should have been big news. But the media were not much interested. As one well-known reporter told me: “It doesn’t matter.” The important action, he said, was taking place not in Baghdad but in Washington, where politicians were reading the polls and finding Americans discouraged and ready to cut their losses.

What’s more, such groups as MoveOn.org — heavily invested in an American defeat they could blame on Bush, Cheney, and the “neo-cons” — had a well-funded plan, “Iraq Summer,” that was to make it politically untenable for members of Congress to continue to support the Iraq mission.

What this perspective failed to take into account: the startlingly rapid progress that Petraeus and his troops would make against al-Qaeda and the Iranian backed militias. That was coupled with a battle of ideas on the home front: Tenacious pro-mission groups — e.g. Vets for Freedom, Families United, the American Legion, Veterans of Foreign Wars, Move America Forward, Freedom’s Watch — formed a loose but effective coalition that matched MoveOn.org congressional contact for congressional contact, and told the stories most reporters would not.

One can say the invasion of Iraq was unwise. Before committing troops to battle, a president should have a realistic understanding of what can be achieved, in what time frame, and at what cost. One can say the occupation of Iraq was bungled.

What one can not say is that regime change in Iraq was unjustified: Not if you know Saddam’s record, his clearly stated intentions, and his ties to international terrorists — including, as a new Pentagon report reveals, a group headed by Ayman al-Zawahiri, now al Qaeda’s second-in-command.

Nor can one say that the outcome in Iraq — the heart of the Muslim Middle East — will be inconsequential to the outcome of the wider war being waged by militant, supremacist Islamist movements intent on nothing less than the destruction of America and the West.

— Clifford D. May, a former New York Times foreign correspondent, is president of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, a policy institute focusing on terrorism.

When Cliff dresses in his jackass costume, is that Halloween too?

Another example of the word tool there are getting to be so many mainly rethugs and want to be journalists

Only Cliff and his neocon pals, have the secret GOP decoder-pens necessary to read the secret documents that will save humanity.

And these are the morons who want to control the world?

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