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John Amato on Sunday, March 23rd, 2008 at 6:00 PM - PDT
But didn’t Lindsey Graham say the surge is working? (h/t Atrios)
Rockets and mortars pounded Baghdad’s U.S.-protected Green Zone Sunday and a suicide car bomber struck an Iraqi army post in the northern city of Mosul in a surge of attacks that killed at least 57 people nationwide.
The deadliest attack of the day was in Mosul when a suicide driver slammed his vehicle through a security checkpoint in a hail of gunfire and detonated his explosives in front of an Iraqi headquarters building, killing 13 Iraqi soldiers and injuring 42 other people, police said.
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Apparently the terists’ have their own surge, too.
And it’s working!
A surge of talking points.
I thought that, seeing he’d drunk some of the water KBR provided for the troops, Gramham said that the purge was working. Never mind.
Way to be fair crooksandliars. Clearly in order for the surge to work, there cannot be any violence whatsoever. Ever.
You guys are like fox news for Democrats.
Some would say they blew themselves up there, because we are free here. Of course, others believe in unicorns. What a world we live in.
Awakening members have not been paid, and are getting restless. This is about as stupid as dissolving the army in the first place.
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The “SURGE” is working at:
~ A mesmerizing talking point
~ Reshaping insurgency by arming BOTH sides of the “civil-war”
~ Keeping the violence alive and well so that America may “STAY THE COURSE”
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KC @ 4:
But, but, but KC, WHERE’S THE POLITICAL SOLUTION the surge was designed to allow room for?
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz…… Nothing but crickets…
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The ’surge’? has been effective for one reason…kicking the war can down the road past the 08 election. Same thing for money presses printing out buckets of dollars to keep the recession at bay until after the election. Blood and money for time…to control the oil.
This was the very last throe.
KC @ 4:
KC @ 5:
That’s funny. Know why? Because you think you just said something insightful or inteligent.
You didn’t.
Since no objective has been stated- of course the surge is ‘working’, how could an endless war fail? Well, other than ending, that is.
KC @ 4:
Since the whole point of the “surge” was to win time for Iraq to get its POLITICAL house in order (which clearly hasn’t happened), the Bushies are touting the reduction in violence as “proof” the “surge” is working.
The reduction in violence is more honestly attributed to the fact that we’re paying the Sunnis to stop shooting at us and to shoot at al Qaeda instead.
Now that the U.S. isn’t keeping its part of the bargain, the violence against us will once again increase.
Hey, I’ve got an idea: why don’t we just pay EVERYONE to stop fighting long enough for us to bring the troops home? That way we can say we won and can revel in what a great thing we did for Iraq (snark.)
But!
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How can some people be so friggin stupid. If Americans actually believe the surge is working were all doomed. Can’t people think for themselves? How long can we sustain our troop levels. Unless they implement the draft, oue military is destroyed
Well, Lindsey probably picked up his five rugs for five dollars on his trip. However, the ten dollars per person per day that the taxpayers are paying to the Iraqis’ to stop the violence does not go as far as it used to or worse yet they have not gotten their paychecks at all.
I think it is rather obvious that despite all the claims by Bush, Cheney and McCain that the Surge is working it is not working simply because there is no political solution, we are going to drastically limit the number of troop reductions in July, people are on their fourth tours of duty and getting burnt out and attacks on civilians and soldiers and police are continuing.
L.A. Confidential @ 15:
LA, I just took a look at your but. Nice!
Graham’s performance was a disgrace. He claimed;
Oil revenue is up in Iraq…thanks for the $100+ oil Lindsey!
The surge was responsible for the Sunni awakening….bald face lie
We must “win” to diminish Iranian influence in the region….it used to be called Saddam Hussein
Those were the worst of his propaganda lying that I could remember.
Why won’t Bush and Company let Iraqis run their own country now that they have been liberated?
Are we their daddy?
KC @ 4:
Let’s turn this around on you KC. How many more American soldier and Iraqi civilian deaths do you think necessary for you to say the surge isn’t working?
The “surge” is not working or not working. It’s an obsolete and over-simplified term that’s come to be equated with the effort as a whole. With all this focus on a “surge” as the barometer of “success” the occupation as a whole is given default legitimacy by implying that there was ever something that was legitimate to apply a “surge” to. Did that make sense?
So much for the DUH SERGE IS WORKING talking point. Dumbasses
Jim Guckert @ 7:
You mean like this?
50,000 US armed resistant fighters strong and getting pissed.
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Serge is working. He got a job at Wal Mart.
Minor typo: It’s NY Times, not NT Times. :)
We just reached the 4000th U.S. serviceperson death in Iraq. Surge is really working for them!
Send Jenna and Barbara……
The surge of electricity killing a US soldiers taking a shower courtesy of KBR and the surge of no bid government contracts going to Halliburton are the only surges that have worked in Iraq thus far.
The war will pay for itself- we will be greeted as liberators- WMDs- er, I mean, the surge is working.
Tell another one.
Matt Hussein in Texas @ 28:
Cheney’s going to get a 3:00 am wake up call to release another bin Laden tape.
Matt Hussein in Texas @ 28:
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Let me see…
4,000 dead in 5 years…
5 goes into 100 20 times…
20 times 4,000 is
80,000 dead by the time McCain will be ready to leave.
The “surge” (bribing opposing factions with cash and weapons) is proving about as successful as Afghanistan. Invade, destroy government and try to rebuild with corrupt yes-men doesn’t work. It’s never worked. Won’t work now. Won’t work every. It is beyond disturbing when governments repeat the same mistakes over and over hoping for different outcomes.
xoites Hussein defends Constitution @ 33:
Of course i should point out that US casualties were rather low during our first five years in Vietnam and then increased dramatically.
xoites Hussein defends Constitution @ 33:
The scariest part of your scenario, is those numbers are low IF Iraqis all decide they’ve had enough of the occupation and decide it’s time to “surge” themselves.
ConcernedCanuck @ 36:
Yes.
xoites Hussein defends Constitution @ 26:
Nice one, x. Maybe they meant all along that the “Sarge” is working. That would explain alot.
Well, maybe we can start up a Statehood Movement. I wonder how much that would cost?
I know where the military can find 5 strapping young lads of fighting age to send to the front lines. Romney’s boys. He said they couldn’t serve because they were helping him on his campaign but they’re free now.
When everything was going to hell at work, one of my co-workers would always chime in “It’s working!”
xoites Hussein defends Constitution @ 39:
No, that won’t work. The Governor would insist on being sworn in on the Koran and Fox News would go ape shit.
Ruthless People @ 40:
No. That won’t work. Romney is hoping to be named the Vice Presidential candidate and if he is they will needed to serve here at home.
Can’t you people get it through your thick heads that the SURGE IS WORKING??? Because if there were no “SURGE”, instead of 57 killed in one day, there might have been like FIVE HUNDRED killed in one day…
George W. Bush is truly a MILITARY GENIUS. He is spreading liberty, as he promised, and bringing freedom to all those wonderful Iraqi people. And who cares if it bankrupts the US, those people WANT liberty, and it warms my heart to know they will have it in the 100 years McCain promised we would be there.
The “surge” = adding 30k US troops to offset withdrawals from other countries.
DOES ANYBODY THINK THAT PALTRY ADDITION OF TROOPS HAD ANY EFFECT?
No.
What did happen is that we gave the Shiites everything they wanted politically, and gave billions to the Sunnis as a consolation prize.
An additional leg of the triangle was that we promised to get out after ‘09.
If McCain is ahead in the polls, the deal will be off.
Our beleaguered troops will be back in the maelstrom going against better equipped (by our money) and better trained (by our soldiers) insurgents.
Unlike the pre-surge war, there were almost no set piece battles against the insurgents during the surge (like Baghdad, Najaf, Sadr City and Falluja). They melted into the woodwork to live and fight another day. Time is on their side. Why? Because the US cannot afford to attrit trillions when the economy is heading over a cliff! The insurgents were born in Iraq and unlike our soldiers they will grow old and die there.
Time is and has always been on their side.
We’ve turned it over to the Shiites, we’ve given the Sunnis their consolation prize, now let’s complete the bargain by getting out!
KC @ 4:
The claims of the surge are revealed to be false. You’re welcome to attempt to defend them. Or shut your yap. Whatever works for ya.
Hey, why not spread the surge around?
Sun Mar 23, 9:09 AM ET
LONDON (AFP) - The US plans to urge Britain to launch a “surge” in Basra to combat increasing violence in the southern Iraqi region, the Sunday Mirror newspaper reported.
Sure, why not. Here a surge, there a surge, everywhere a surge surge………OOooooo…Old Dick Cheney has a surge, eiei O….
The thing about McCain and Bush is they will never be able to solve the war because they do not understand it. They do not understand the players. They don’t get the dynamics of country being invade by foreign powers. What would happen if the U.S. pulled out of Iraq immediately? What would happen next? I think this is what would happen - The Shia tell Iran “Thanks for the help, now leave. Get out of our country.” That is the part the neocon war mongers can’t seem to understand. Everybody says that Iran will take over Iraq. Or they will have so much influence that Iraq will essentially become part of Iran. Well that will NOT happen. Iraq is Iraq. They don’t want to be told what to do by Iran. Just like they don’t want to be told what to do by the U.S. Remember when Saddam invaded Kuwait, Saudi Arabia let the U.S. stage in their country to throw Saddam out of Kuwait. And Egypt helped the coalition in that war. Both those countries are Sunni. Saddam was Sunni. In fact Egypt harbored an exiled Saddam many years ago but Egypt helped throw Saddam out of Kuwait. Being from the same sect did not help Saddam. Saddam didn’t listen to Saudi Arabia when it came to Kuwait and Saudi Arabia is Sunni like Saddam. Saudi Arabia let the coalition stage in Saudi Arabia to attack Saddam, a Sunni. Why would Iraq listen to any other country, i.e. Iran or Syria or anybody else? Why would they let Iran tell them what to do? So you see that just because part of Iraq and Iran are the same sect you cannot assume that Iraqi Shia will let Iranian Shia tell them what to do. The Iraqis are only letting Iran help them because Iraq wants the U.S. out! As far as the Kurds go they have it figured out. They’re having BBQ on Saturday nights (probably). And the Sunni? They will have to figure out how to have their own area. Joe Bidden knows how this will work out. Most of them have left the country anyway. It will work out without us. And Al Qaeda? you may ask. Well the Iraqis will kick their sorry butts out in a matter of hours after the U.S. leaves. The Iraqis hate Al Qaeda as much as they hate the U.S. for invading. You can bet your bottom $ that no Iraqi will be told what to do by some Al Qaeda nut who all of Iraq hate. McCain does not even know who Al Qaeda is. Obviously the same is true with Bush. All you will see of Al Qaeda is the dust they kick up as they run for Afghanistan. Iraq will kick Al Qaeda out just like they will do to the Iranians, “Thanks for the help. Now get the hell out.” The neocon war profiteers don’t get it or they want this war to continue for financial reasons. You know this. I know this. 82% of the U.S. knows this. Getting out is the dilemma. The Republicans thinkthat staying in is the delima. Remember Iraq was better off with Saddam. I’ve said it many times. Nobody wanted to say it at the time but it is true. Let’s pack it up and leave tomorrow. You are either with me or… um… ah… won’t get fooled again.
according to bush/cheney and the gop terms, there were no deaths here,
because these people were not shot. so to the fuckedup gop ZERO violence.
bush/cheney shove your heads up each other’s ass, we are tired of your shit.
KC @ 5:
You’re like a gaping mouth for attracting flies. Stupid. Vapid. Tepid.
Four U.S. soldiers were killed in Baghdad today, putting the U.S. death toll at 4,000 since the invasion in 2003, reports MSNBC.
Francis @ 51:
Actually they were killed a day or so ago. Their deaths were confirmed today.
Seems with all our high tech medical equipment it only takes a day or two, now, to pronounce a corpse to be indeed dead.
We actually have 4008 dead right now but 8 are awaiting confirmation.
This site has been dead on accurate for the last four plus years.