Over? I didn’t think that one even started! Remember Bush told us that the Iraqis chose NOT to have a civil war, so how could something that didn’t start be over?

HOW could he say this? has been watching any of what we see everyday- we should send him to the Green Zone and leave him there…

Since when are the folks at AEI concerned about discussing Iraq on the basis of reality?

ALL of the neocons are lying ALL of the time - every day.

The media let’s them get away with it - because they own / control the media.

Welcome to the fascist dictatorship.

AEI = Israel

How can this not be true , he looks so smart .

Dip s*&t.

Yeah, well Fred Kagan is a proven liar when it comes to Iraq and the surge as seen in this FRED KAGAN VIDEO MASHUP

And really, what bears out Kagan’s claims more than this story?

Iraqi police in Basra shed their uniforms, kept their rifles and switched sides

Or this?

Areas of Baghdad fall to militias as Iraqi Army falters in Basra

Iraq’s Prime Minister was staring into the abyss today after his operation to crush militia strongholds in Basra stalled, members of his own security forces defected and district after district of his own capital fell to Shia militia gunmen.

With the threat of a civil war looming in the south, Nouri al-Maliki’s police chief in Basra narrowly escaped assassination in the crucial port city, while in Baghdad, the spokesman for the Iraqi side of the US military surge was kidnapped by gunmen and his house burnt to the ground.

Saboteurs also blew up one of Iraq’s two main oil pipelines from Basra, cutting at least a third of the exports from the city which provides 80 per cent of government revenue, a clear sign that the militias — who siphon significant sums off the oil smuggling trade — would not stop at mere insurrection.

Kagan really needs to pull his deluded head out of his chickenhawk ass.

*thud*

Whoops…dropped my jaw.

Mission Accomplished, eh Kag-ee-babes?

nony @ 4:

ALL of the neocons are lying ALL of the time - every day.

The media let’s them get away with it - because they own / control the media.

Welcome to the fascist dictatorship.

The same group claims that racism, sexism, and almost all social problems are also over. One of my favorites was Bill “Riverboat” Bennett’s famous statement from his time as Drug Czar in the ’80s. He said that we’ve won the drug war. Look how well that has turned out.

JWF:

GHW Bush won the drug war. He’s using his CIA jets to import all he can sell.

What morons listen to this buffon? Its like the nazi party properganda towards the collapse of germany .
hell the nazis had old men and kids as young as 12 out in the berlin trenches shooting and dying for a wacked cause.
This war now,,its about oil. I think the dillwad is afraid alot of contractors will pull out and put thier money elsewhere,, say,, yanno other free countries,, china,, for one,, russia, etc.
Fred Kagan aka NEWMAN from seinfeld,, if its so great over there,, then haul your large happy happy joy joy ass there and stay there and report back!

Unbelievably delusional. They see black and cry “White!”

What in the name of God is wrong with these people??

And they actually pay this clown to say this crap?

In another unfortunate case of premature Iraq elation, the Wall Street Journal last week celebrated the decline and fall of Iraqi Shiite leader Moqtada Al-Sadr. Echoing the “bring ‘em on” taunt of their former boss, ex-Bush advisers Dan Senor and Roman Martinez triumphantly asked “Whatever Happened to Moqtada?” But as the renewed turmoil in Baghdad and violent chaos in Basra suggest, the answer may be, “he’s back.”

For the details, see:
“Moqtada Al-Sadr Answers the Wall Street Journal.”

Id like to personaly soak the phone book in water, semi dry it and then Hit fred around the face and large hanging fat lats!
This type of person is out for one thing and one thing only,, his crispy kream and his pension! Man tits need not speak for anything then the better treatment for whales!
Both are combined.

Fred is such an expert on war — didn’t he lead a charge and personally kill 43 of the enemy with his bayonet? No, wait, that was Frederick G. I. Issue who is less valuable than Fred Kagan, and therefore a soldier while Fred serves as a war expert.

and good night C&L folks.
have a good eveing and great tomorow and welcome the weekend !

Regards,,

Kagen is the same loon that came up with the “surge” strategy at AEI to begin with. There is no way in Hell, an extra 30,000-40,000 troops could prevent a civil war and Kagen knows it. I mean, no 30,000 or 40,000 are that good!

The civil war, ethnic cleansing, or whatever you want to call it has always been there and more than likely always will be. To much bad blood lays between those Iraqi factions and nothing is ever going to change that and it sure as Hell won’t prevent them from fighting.

We are supposed to believe the armchair ranting of an effete, pasty-faced, limp-wristed dweeb like Kagan?

Why do these guys continue to have access to the airways? They are never right. You’d think they would get it right ocassionally simply by luck, but somehow they don’t even do that.

I was wondering who this sweaty fat guy was spouting bullsheet on cspan.

Now it makes sense.

Never before have I seen an Administration hire and keep so many morons, fools, imbeciles, or just plain incompetent people all in one place.

break up the media monopolies. your freedom depends on it.

Well then lets bring the kids home then, mission accomplished.

Fred Kagan, 2nd stupidest f**king guy on the planet.

Have any of the Kagans ever been even close to right about anything? I mean have they ever even inhabited the same universe as reality?

NPR reported this morning that the Police in Basra RAN AWAY when hostilities started.

I’m sure, tho, that Al Maliki’s threats will result in peacification and brotherly love in the atmospheres surrounding the Iraqs. Just ask any of the Miss America contestants… or Bushies at the White House.

Do you think that McCain will declare VICTORY over the SURGE… now that active hostilities have re-emerged in several cities? Here’s a suggestion for his campaign:

Maybe we should send in another THIRTY THOUSAND TROOPS… to supress the fighting… and buy some time for the Iraqi’s to find a political solution to their little problem. We’ll know for sure in six to nine months how that will work out.

Can someone post the link the the original video?

If the civil war in Iraq is over, it is simply because the civilian population has been annihilated. This fat pig of a Fascist war criminal needs his goddamned neck stretched.

CowboyBob in Austin @ 30:

NPR reported this morning that the Police in Basra RAN AWAY when hostilities started.

I’m sure, tho, that Al Maliki’s threats will result in peacification and brotherly love in the atmospheres surrounding the Iraqs. Just ask any of the Miss America contestants… or Bushies at the White House.

Do you think that McCain will declare VICTORY over the SURGE… now that active hostilities have re-emerged in several cities? Here’s a suggestion for his campaign:

Maybe we should send in another THIRTY THOUSAND TROOPS… to supress the fighting… and buy some time for the Iraqi’s to find a political solution to their little problem. We’ll know for sure in six to nine months how that will work out.

For John McCain, good luck finding those extra troops laying around with nothing to do because they do not exist. The ground forces are tapped out given their current commitments around the globe. The only other option is to get the draft started. If that happens, watch how fast the war supporters run. We might just see a reverse emigration issue with the Mexican Government saying to the war supporters: “Go home Gringo!”

nony @ 13:

JWF:

GHW Bush won the drug war. He’s using his CIA jets to import all he can sell.

This is a FACT that needs to be shouted from the rooftops every hour on the hour!

Oh and as for that tub of shit coward douchebag from the AEI…

Ship that mental twat to the front lines!

SURE, and the econonomy is doing great!

Denali @ 1:

Over? I didn’t think that one even started! Remember Bush told us that the Iraqis chose NOT to have a civil war, so how could something that didn’t start be over?

Clearly, you haven’t learned to think in the neo-con dialectic. :)

Joe O. @ 25:

Never before have I seen an Administration hire and keep so many morons, fools, imbeciles, or just plain incompetent people all in one place.

its a cunning ploy to make Chimpy look good, alas it never seemed to work.

who is this fat fuck anyway?

Can someone check whether Kagan has admitted in the past that Iraq is undergoing a civil war?

Thanks.

The Iraqi civil war is over huh?
Tell that to the Iraqi’s.
Cause we know better.
Has anyone of these people read any newspapers recently?

Mike the Canuck @ 39:

who is this fat fuck anyway?

one of our all knowing all powerful ‘Lords and Masters’ remember his face, it will look so sad come November 8th.

Mike the Canuck @ 39:

who is this fat fuck anyway?

That is the neocon version of a weatherman. He gets up on t.v. and says it Iraq will be partly “Sunni” with patches of “Shia” showers in between but when you look at the newspapers you see a full blown sand storm blowing that has always been there.

frederick kagan, 36, is the author of choosing victory, a blueprint for the surge adopted by president george w bush. just as everybody had begun writing off the influence of the neocons at the white house, genial, chubby-faced frederick gave the muscular intellectuals a lease of life.

it was at camp david last june that kagan, a military historian and fellow of the american enterprise institute, outlined his plans for pouring more troops into iraq to bush and his war cabinet.

donald rumsfeld, the then defence secretary, was unimpressed, but kagan’s views got another hearing when bush was searching for ways to ditch the seemingly defeatist recommendations of james baker’s iraq study group. “wow, you mean we can still win this war?” a grateful bush reportedly said.

— “… bush’s final baghdad gamble”

… thanks, fred.

The civil war is over? Did the magic ponies stop it?

Well, obviously [snark] the Left lost Vietnam, and if the Left doesn’t shut up, the Left will be to blame for “losing” Iraq. That’s what this is about: Blaming the Left. It’s not that they are stupid - it’s that they are at war. (With the Left.)

OK, well actually, they are pretty stupid if they think this will work.

How about we take this A-Hole and move his office to Bagdad
and tell him he can’t come home utill it’s fixed
idiot

With their integrity in shreds, republican liars have nothing left to lose. Why not let it all hang out?

Lefty @ 45:

The civil war is over? Did the magic ponies stop it?

No, unfortunately, the Pentagon’s shipment of magic ponies was mistakenly sent to Taiwan, along with nuclear missile parts. That’s why embassy personnel inside the Green Zone are being told to stay inside reinforced buildings. Apparently Iraqis want to kill them. Go figure.

They should find out what he is smoking
start selling it on the street to pay for
this stupid Evangelical Crusade that BUSH
started Don’t forget he talks to god but whats worst
is he think’s god speaks to him.
ooooooooooOOOOOhhhHHH

Don’t they know we can see them? Aren’t they aware of what those big dealies with the lenses do?

When will they learn that just because they say it, IT ISN’T TRUE?!

thanks, I wonder what he thinks of afganistan. Where Canada has a large contingent of soldiers fighting with NATO. If there’s no war there then WTF is Canada doing fighting and dying there

nony @ 13:

JWF:

GHW Bush won the drug war. He’s using his CIA jets to import all he can sell.

yes, the ones that landed at Mena, AR, or so I hear.

Mike the Canuck @ 52:

thanks, I wonder what he thinks of afganistan. Where Canada has a large contingent of soldiers fighting with NATO. If there’s no war there then WTF is Canada doing fighting and dying there

Cheney, “So!”

ungrateful dead @ 44: