Biden, Lugar Agree - Iraq Report Card A Failure, Bush Punting The Troops To Next President
By Logan Murphy Saturday Apr 12, 2008 8:15pm
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Democratic Senator Joe Biden and GOP Senator Richard Lugar appeared on this morning's Late Edition and one thing was clear: they both agreed that the Petraeus/Crocker report card on Iraq showed nearly zero success and demonstrates how our drawn-out occupation has hurt our security, our military and our economy and clearly shows that President Bush is punting on the troops and the American people, leaving the next president to deal with his mess. Sen. Lugar speaks in realistic terms that are both rare and refreshing to hear from a Republican:
Blitzer: "Is the U.S. military over stretched to the point that it can't get the missions done with, Senator Lugar?"
Lugar: "Well, the testimony seems to be to that effect. That is, that we simply do not have, presently, enough armed forces to accomplish or missions in Iraq and Afghanistan, quite apart from anything else that might occur in the world. And yet, in this hearing on Iraq, Iran kept being mentioned. That that the Iranians are intruding, a proxy war is being fought. In other words, it was almost as if we were justifying our continued presence in Iraq with the fact that we may be in a conflict in Iran and furthermore, the al Qaeda wherever they may be. It's a very confusing picture, to say the least. Now, it seems to me we're going to have to come to grips with what is possible in Iraq and what kind of forces are required for that, but we're certainly not at that point in the hearings. This is - I agree with Joe Biden, was simply punting the thing down the road and probably into the next administration and whoever the candidates may be right now, they face a awesome task of turning around a situation that really has not been resolved during this administration."
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didn't reagan do a deal with iranians to hang on to the hostages until he got elected?
What a u-turn for Lugar. Or, is it he knows the GOP are going to be this century's Whig Party? Add the economic meltdown, the Repugs will go as the way of the dinosaurs. See Ya!
I dunno, it's been crystal clear to me since the runup to the war. Where ya been Senator?
Lugar frequently does that - and then cuts a secret deal that stands his "rare and refreshing" rhetoric on its head.
"Lugar frequently does that - and then cuts a secret deal that stands his “rare and refreshing” rhetoric on its head."
With such a bold claim as that, surely you must have scores of examples. It should be simple to just give one then. I'm waiting.
Sorry story of Bush's pathetic life, others cleaning-up his countless screw-ups. Americans should really be ashamed & disgraced that such a dumbass got to be President, a chimp would have done a better job.
I saw a Bush/Cheney bumper sticker in the trash the other day.
Thats where it belongs. Thats where they belong!!
MountainMan23 @ 4:
Exactly! He would vote for the giggling murderers third term if he could!
ZombieNation @ 6:
Amen!!
ZombieNation @ 6:
He did a great job for halliburton,exxon, and his friends in the the military industrial complex.
he has also succeeded in taking away our rights...and setting up the foundation for a police state! (FEMA and homeland security w/Blackwater waiting @ the wing.... he has actually been very successful. Neo-cons would say, "mission accomplished."
Just one more terror attack away from complete and total victory.
dont underestimate his handlers
(Bush's puppeteers) are smarter than you may realise
Watch these...
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JoeMarasmus @ 11:
You look like a dork w/those sunglasses on...and Oh yes, hooray for Obama...(yawn)
milquetoast @ 12:
I hope to god you are not blind...and I just called you a Dork...
At last someone on the right is starting to see this president for what he truly is. If you want to see just how much a "supporter of the troops" the president truly is just look at how few Presidential Unit Citations he has given to military units since the War of terror started, especially to Army units. After multiple tours lasting a year or more, only one army unit has received a presidential unit citation. see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_Unit_Citation_%28United_States%29
Blitzer: “Is the U.S. military over stretched to the point that it can’t get the missions done with, Senator Lugar?”
Can't get the missions done with??? Don't they teach these idiots English grammar in Journamalism School??? As for Dick Lugar and Joe Biden, well, Iraq's been turning to shit pretty much from the day we invaded, so where the fuck have these guys been??? Sorry, I'm just not interested in what these guys have to say.
" they face a awesome task of turning around a situation that really has not been resolved during this administration.“
all well and good sen. lugar, but just to make it perfectly clear, this situation was caused by this administration and doesn't need merely resolving of, by the same, it needs prosecuting. preferably by a grand jury, and the courts.
The Bush administration has been playing politics with the troops since the last election, and will continue to do so as long as they get mileage out it.
OK... GOOD START!
Now, how about a little BI-PARTISAN effort on war crimes prosecutions?
No matter what they say, no matter how many lies they tell, no matter how many of his staff turn and run away from (g)eorge (b)ush, the war in Iraq will always be know as (b)ush's War, his blunder, his blindly taking America right where Osama Bin Ladin wanted it to go. To financial chaos and debt.
I'm 71, born in 1937 and have never seen a worse president than this idiot.
You mean it's become that fucking obvious that even the politicians can see it now?
♣Bangkok Bob♠ @ 19:
Yes you have, William Jefferson Clinton?? Jimmy Carter??
You kidding? Next to Bush, Clinton is Abraham F___ing Lincoln. Even Jimmy looks like a colossus of competence next to him.
Bush's situation with Iraq is similar to your drunk asshole roommate throwing a huge party that trashes your place and then he staggers out under cover leaving you to clean up the mess. Something Bush I'm sure had a lot of experience staging during his college days. (College days? Hell, this guy was a fall down drunk until his 40s, he probably was leaving Laura quite a bunch of crap to clean up many nights.)
yep. this is how Bush has always been: screw things up, walk away, and leave it for someone else to fix, while he heads for the golf course. Why do I have a feeling it's not going to work this time?
Bush has always been a screw up.
He is the worst president in history.
He calls the constitution "a scrap of paper".
He authorizes torture.
He lies to the world and invades a country for no other reason than to get their oil.
He steals from the country to make his rich friends richer.
He comes into office and is given a surplus, then turns right around a runs this country into the biggest financial hole it has ever been in, borrowing money from the communists to fight a war.
Gas cost about $1.15 when he came into office, and now it is over $3.00 a gallon, and his oil companies buddies are making obscene profits.
he hands out war contracts to his war profiteer friends who provide substandard services and equipment to our troops; he sends in mercernaries who run amok and get in the way of out troops.
He is warned over and over about an impending attack by terrorists and his response is "well, you've covered your ass". No wonder when he was told about 9/11 he had that totally blank look on his face.
He was told about how badly the levees needed work, yet he cuts the budget for the repairs to less than one fifth of what is needed, stopping all repair work. And New Orleans floods because of the unrepaired levees. Then he has the gall to stand in Jackson Square and flat out lie to New Orleans about "help is on the way".
He thinks he can do what he pleases and the laws don't apply to him.
He is the worst, most corrupt president in history.
And he spies on all of us.
Sorry, Bush has violated so many laws it has become hard to keep track of them.
Crap. I forgot another one:
he has the power to throw anyone in jail and keep them there without any legal basis at all, and no chance of a trial or legal representation, or seeing the damning evidence in court, simply by labeling a person a terrorist.
Iraq will be over with Obama, that he has promised and can achieve. You have to believe in change to get it. Vote for Obama in the primaries and November, you'll be glad you did.
Yahoo News: 1,300 Iraqi troops, police dismissed
"The Basra offensive — which opened on March 25 — quickly stalled amid strong resistance from the outnumbered militiamen, despite artillery and air support provided by U.S. and British forces.
During the attack more than 1,000 security troops — including a full infantry battalion — refused to fight or joined the militias, handing them weapons and vehicles."
Uuh..
geneHUSSEIN214 @ 15:
Does anybody feel a draft coming on???
I am definitely not a Blitzer fan, especially from the time where he gained national prominence, reporting on the first gulf war. However, I do like the way he conducted this interview. He asked some tough questions from both Senators and then allowed them to answer without interruption. I really dislike it when an interviewer immediately jumps into what a guest is saying, so as to force the dialog to move in his preferred direction. BO is the classic example.
Abbybwood @ 28:
Not yet. I just learn that the U.S. military are over stretched to the point that it can’t get the missions done with Senator Lugar.
all that bush has ever done was go into something
this time it's president of the usa, but before whatever
business venture he was heading, HE TOTALLY FUCKED IT UP
and everyone else including his fucking enabler family
clean it up for him.
Bush is doing everything to support his base. If he doesn't he could fall below 28%!! For the other 72% of the country it's a two finger salute.
MountainMan23 @ 4:
Sadly one of our greatest Statesmen (my Senator) has gone along with Bush at every turn.
Every letter I have written has come back with a reply basically defending Bush and his policies. I never have understood why he continued to follow Bush.
Bush is lucky that crazy senator from Wisconsin is dead with Bush's condensation to Communist China and it's interests he would be deemed a pinko
Yikes !!! it's condescension and I put it in the wrong tread to boot
Cas @ 27:
Blitzer just can't restrain himself from defending the WH and the neocon agenda. I like the way Biden slapped him down early on and the way that he wouldn't let Blitzer interrupt him. He was not expecting Lugar to speak the truth, look slike that threw him for a loop.
CNN is such a clownact.
These bushies don't give a shit about anything but how much money they can steal. Fuck everything else!
When was it that other people haven't been left to clean up George Bush's messes?
That's why with the MSM's complicity they're spinning the surge as a success, so it looks like he was winning the war, but his successor failed.
Of course if the successor succeeds boosh will claim credit.
sulphurdunn @ 39:
Underclassmen had to clean his vomit stained toilets.
MacDaKnife @ 29:
You've made the mistake of thinking of Billo as ... a journalist. Blitzer is barely one, but Billo is a joke.
ysbaddaden @ 40:
The MSM has not got a lot of credibility left themselves. They are really not driving the narrative of this cycle. That's a lot of dinosaurs I'd like to see extinct myself.
Punting the ball at 4th down 25 to go, the story of George Bush's life. The guy is a f-ck up, plain and simple. His Daddy or friends swoop in to bail him out every time. Looks like the next administration is going to bail him out, if that is possible, this time. F-ck ups can sometimes be fun to drink beer with but this does not make them good best friends or presidents!
motorfingaz @ 7:
I'll bet whoever owned it put it in someone else's trash.
chris @ 21:
You must be joking.
I'm not saying Carter was great, but he was handed the turd of Vietnam to clean up and an OPEC crisis. As for Clinton, I give him a B-. He presided over incredible economic growth, but his personal behavior was annoying and damaged the Democratic party, helping the Republicans to "win" in 2000.
To say either one was remotely as bad as Chimpy and his fascist cabal of morons is an insult to our intelligence.
The publicans didn't win in 2000. They took over Congress in 1994, and in 2000 the Supreme Court unconstitutionally appointed boosh.
Blitzer: "...billions and billions, tens of billions, hundreds of billions."
They're all the same to Wolf. I guess the beard has earned him more than just the appearance of journalistic integrity
...And to think that there was one iota or shred of proof or evidence that Iraq is relevant to 9/11 and the war on terror. You go, Joe Biden! - I hope you'll be Obama's running mate or his sec. of state or defense, assuming he's the next POTUS.
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