This Week: Bringing Up McCain's Life-Long, Federally-Provided Health Care Is "A Cheap Shot"
By Nicole Belle Saturday Apr 19, 2008 2:15pm
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Wow. George Stephanopoulos actually listened to us and asked John McCain some pretty tough questions today on This Week. Who knew that George read teh blogs? McCain's body language and facial expressions really belied his discomfort, but if you look closely, you can see it. And I've discovered a "tell" on the part of McCain when he's really painted into a corner, see if you can find it.
Case in point: note this little exchange between Stephanopoulos and McCain over healthcare. Elizabeth Edwards has been a vocal critic of McCain's proposed healthcare plan in that it basically doesn't help those who need it the most. McCain's response falls into the less than satisfactory category:
STEPHANOPOULOS: What's wrong with government -- what's wrong with government-run health care?
MCCAIN: And we continue to have these debates -- what's wrong with it? Go to Canada. Go to England and you can find out what's wrong with it. Governments don't make the right decisions. Families make the right decisions.
STEPHANOPOULOS: One of the points Mrs. Edwards made in the Wall Street Journal, she said that your whole life, you had government health care. You were the son of a Naval officer, a Naval officer, now a member of Congress. And her point is, why shouldn't every American be able to get the kind of health care that members of Congress get or members of the military get?
MCCAIN: It's a cheap shot, but I did have a period of time where I didn't have very good government health care. I had it from another government. (LAUGHTER) So, look, I know what it's like in America not to have health care. We know that Americans are hurting there as well. We've got to make health care affordable and available. The difference, again, between myself and the Democrats, and with all due respect, Mrs. Edwards, I want the families to make the choices. They want the government to make the choices. That's a fundamental difference, and we will continue to debate that issue.
Actually, McSame, let's look at England's healthcare. PBS's Frontline did a fantastic program comparing healthcare in the US to five other capitalist democracies, including the UK. While the UK's program did have its drawbacks, the government has instituted policies to expand choice for the people and moreover, the government pays significantly less as a percentage of the GDP for healthcare than we do (8.3% vs. 15.3%) and it covers everyone. Hard to make facts sound bad, doesn't it, John?
Did you pick up the tell? Rather than respond intelligently to Edwards' valid point that McCain has taken advantage of government health care his entire (rather lengthy) life, he pulls the "Hanoi Hilton" card. Anyone think that calling attention to his POW days could be like Giuliani's invoking of 9/11? Not to detract from the traumas he experienced at the hands of the Vietcong, but what the heck does that have to do with healthcare?
full transcript below the fold:
STEPHANOPOULOS: Let me move on to health care. That could be the biggest difference between you and the Democrats this year. Democrats say your tax credit plan will not come close to covering everyone, and it especially won't help people with preexisting health conditions. Here is Elizabeth Edwards, wife of John Edwards.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
ELIZABETH EDWARDS: The truth is, a health care policy that covers everything but cancer doesn't exactly do me a lot of good. And John McCain and I have something in common -- neither one of us would be covered by his health care policy.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
STEPHANOPOULOS: Now, she went on to say that both of you are going to be fine, because you have plenty of resources to pay for health insurance, but for millions of Americans with preexisting conditions, they won't. Why not guarantee that anyone with a preexisting condition should be able to get health care?
MCCAIN: We will, as part of our plan, have a special Medicaid trust fund set up to help care for those people who are -- who have preexisting conditions. As you know, five chronic diseases consume 75 percent of the health care costs in America. We're not leaving anybody behind. But what we're not doing is we're not going to have a big government takeover and mandates. They've tried that in other countries. Both Senator Obama and Senator Clinton's plans are big-government solutions. But that's true in everything that...
STEPHANOPOULOS: What's wrong with government -- what's wrong with government-run health care?
MCCAIN: And we continue to have these debates -- what's wrong with it? Go to Canada. Go to England and you can find out what's wrong with it. Governments don't make the right decisions. Families make the right decisions.
STEPHANOPOULOS: One of the points Mrs. Edwards made in the Wall Street Journal, she said that your whole life, you had government health care. You were the son of a Naval officer, a Naval officer, now a member of Congress. And her point is, why shouldn't every American be able to get the kind of health care that members of Congress get or members of the military get?
MCCAIN: It's a cheap shot, but I did have a period of time where I didn't have very good government health care. I had it from another government. (LAUGHTER) So, look, I know what it's like in America not to have health care. We know that Americans are hurting there as well. We've got to make health care affordable and available. The difference, again, between myself and the Democrats, and with all due respect, Mrs. Edwards, I want the families to make the choices. They want the government to make the choices. That's a fundamental difference, and we will continue to debate that issue. But we can provide incentives. You mentioned that it's not enough, a $5,000 refundable tax credit for every family in America. It's a lot better than what they've got today. And if we can let them go across state lines, and get these inflationary aspects of health care under control, which we can do, then more Americans will have affordable and available health care.
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Anything less than socialized health care is bullshit.
An elite Warmonger!
a cheap shot....like attacking iraq for no reason other than greed?
a cheap shot...backing out of commitments to campaign finance reform?
a cheap shot...screwing around on your wife?
a cheap shot...a nickel for a glass of rum and a hookers ass at subic bay?
Fuck you, Senator McCain and that comes from my heart.
You mean you want the insurers making our health care decisions.
I wonder if McCain will whine as much as Barack at the meanie questions from Steph.
McCain's kidding right? Here is a man, who married a gizillionaire. Had free health care all is life, and is now telling us that government health care is bad. WTF! I believe he is as clueless as Georgie-boy.
You're kidding right Brian? That entire debate was a farce.
At least he is honest. You got no healthcare? Well, McCain aint helping! I really cant see him win a presidential election against Obama. They cant possibly make a character assassination so well that this old fossil can win. Anyway, if they do, and McCain wins, then the poor bitter people of the mid-west deserves another even more poverty-plagued 4-8 years. I really see the US as being done as a superpower if McCain wins. He wont fix any of the serious problems in your society. A Bush-McCain span will simply deplete you economically.
knud, your right. If McCain wins, I think we are pretty much doomed.
I agree the debate was bad. In isolation all of the questions except for "does wright like america as much as you" were valid but shouldn't have been the dominate questions. I've just noticed that HRC whined she thought things were unfair. Barack whined when he thought things were unfair. We'll see if Johnny Mac does the same thing.
Geez I can't spell.
:-)
After the much deserved ass wiping he took he had to do something to prove he's not sean hannity's bitch.
I lived in Canada for 30 years. The government does not 'run' health care there. It 'pays' for it. The providers are private sector, just like here.
My god I wish voters could 'go to Canada.' A few years living with that system and they'd tar and feather any politician who tried to force them back into the sick farce that passes for 'health care' in this barbarous place.
Ever wonder why, if 'socialized medicine' sucks so bad, all those other countries aren't clamouring to adopt our system?
Healthcare in the U.S. is the most expensive in the world, and it compares very poorly with any of those 'socialized' systems, as it is run for profit rather than for the patient. We lag behind the rest of the world in that and many others, all which will continue if McCain to our great distress has the power to keep the U.S. in such a poor condition.
McCain says "Go to Canada. Go to England and you can find out what's wrong with it." What McCain conveniently neglects to mention is that even with the flaws that their health systems contain [which are not that significant compared to that of the United States] the majority of people in those countries, and the countries that were discussed in the PBS special, are quite satisfied with their health care. Compare that to the deep level of dissatisfaction of health care in this country and it should be obvious why the WHO ranked the United States 37th among other countries in terms of quality health care. One wonders if McCain who, as a senator, has taken the time to actually see Moore's film Sicko, which has done a great job in discussing this issue.
Ummm, no you don't John! That was the point. Despite your best efforts to paint things to the contrary, you've had government run health-care your whole life. Since you're the oldest mainstream candidate to run for the Presidency, I'd say your health-care must have been pretty good!
knud @ 8:
My thoughts exactly
I watched the Frontline story. No one in those five industrialized
countries ever went bankrupt due to medical bills. I like the
smart card employed by Taiwan. Your medical history is there
at the click of a finger.
America is number one in health care in the world. We spend by far the most money on the planet for health care. That makes us number1!!! We are what, 37th, in health indicators? That is besides the point.
Go fuck yourself John! You've been sucking off the govt. teet since you were born. Literally! What is good for you is good for the rest of us. If it weren't for the govt. health care you recieved, cancer could have consumed that sorry excuse you have for a head.
you need to correct the headline here-- it shoud read as follows: This Week: Bringing Up McCain’s Life-Long, Federally-Provided Health Care Is “A Cheap Shot?!?!?!?!?!?!?”
Erroll @ 15:
Well, I'd say likely he hasn't because Moore has been demonized since pre-Bowling For Columbine. It should be required viewing for everybody in this country. We'd have single-payer in about a week.
Yeah robbie, I wish we all had McCain's government heath care, he is older than Methuselah.
I've been asking this same question since this debate began years ago. Since every city, county, state and federal employee has great "taxpayer-funded" health insurance, why doesn't the government to begin giving a tax deduction "equal" to the share that govt. employees receive? Then we could all afford great health care.
knud @ 8:
How old do you have to be , to be a fossil ? , or even worse an old fossil .
hes got to be sh1tt1ng us !!!!! UHC NHS free at the point of service, paid for by general taxes (if you are eligble to pay taxes other wise its free)
nobody turned away or denied treatment on economic grounds or lack of patient funds.
Prescriptions in the UK cost 7 UKP per item, only taxpayers pay prescription fees, anybody under 18 over 60, or on any gov benefit or can prove they cant afford to pay DOESNT pay, anybody who has multiple items pcm prescribed and is eligible to pay can buy a years advance pre pay letter which costs 80 UKP (last time I knew the price) then you dont pay for any items on a prescription.
So basically you only pay cash for meds in the UK's NHs if its a short one off illness, anybody else with a long term condition would pay the 80 UKP and not pay at the counter.
I had it from another government. (LAUGHTER) So, look, I know what it’s like in America not to have health care.
Two points of fact:
1 - He does NOT know what it's like not to have health care. He contradicts himself; by his own admission he's had Gov't supplied health care since birth via growing up in a military family.
2 - Yes, John, we know, you were a prisoner of war. BTW, what were you doing in that war that allowed you to be taken prisoner? Oh yeah, you were a bomber pilot.
What a just and noble warrior you are John.
BTW, did you ever carry out napalm strikes? How many "suspected truck parks" did you hit that turned out to be villages? I'm sure the surviving relatives think you're a swell guy John.
That's OK John, can't fight a just cause like that with out getting your hair mussed.
Wow, that is a pretty good point!!!
You can't live off government healthcare your entire life and then say it's horrible when others want to take advantage of it.
That's why I like Obama's plan better than Hillary's, because only those who want to use it have to use it. Plus no mandates is the only way it has a chance of getting some republican support.
"Governments don’t make the right decisions. Families make the right decisions."
Of course the framing is a lie to begin with. Nobody is talking about the government making choices, just paying for the damn thing. So instead of the government making the choices we have HMOs making the choices of what tests we can have done, what course of treatment they are willing to pay for... How is that better?
We spend "taxpayer" money on all sorts of things: roads, bridges, bombs, corporate handouts, etc... Why is it such a stretch for the world's "richest nation" to provide it's citizens with health care?
"I want the families to make the choices. They want the government to make choices"............HUH?
The Dems want to offer choices not make choices, unlike your plan Senator where it is only for those who ALREADY have choices can make choices.
Where is Bill Moyers when the situation calls for REAL journalism?
"Governments don’t make the right decisions. Families make the right decisions." What are you John, an Anarchist?
There he goes, kicking another woman while she sick with cancer. Status quo for McCain.
If he didn't surrender to the Viet Cong, he wouldn't have had to worry about their healthcare system.
I've had health care in both Canada and Britain - I've had excellent, good and not so good experiences - mainly a long wait at Emerg but that is kind of to be expected. Nothing that would cause me major concern - there is no bogeyman here. I think if you look at the outcome statistics we are doing fine at half the cost.
None of my experiences compare to having no health care or having to mortgage my future as some of my American friends have had to do.
Our or the British system is far from perfect but that is to be expected where ever humans are involved. Indeed our system is made worse and more expensive by the talent drain caused by the US's inflated salaries.
It amazes me that such unsubstantiated and biased comments go largely unchallenged.
Smug Ass.
Sure, no problem, to have Government health just join the military or work for the government. It's really simple. Kind of like how most employers have insurance plans?
Of course, you can't distinguish a difference between employee benefits and just handing it out for free.
Weakest gotcha ever. Try it during the general election.
A.J.Joe @ 17:
Bushco put 95% of the coffin nails in the lid, McSenile will eagerly or unwittingly do the last 5%
as long as the MIC and pondscum squeezes out the last drop of blood and profits before they flee to climates warmer (Paraguay).
Why does McCain think that his shortcomings are funny??
Anytime he is called to task for a mistake or a negative comment directed toward him.... he laughs
Does he think that bad behavior is funny?
The follow up questions were George --
1. How many people go bankrupt in Canada and England covering expenses that their provider won't????
2. As a Senator how many times have you voted against funding the VA and why don't you support the New GI bill that Senator Webb has proposed.
John Doheny @ 13:
Well said! I wonder why so many people believe a gasbag like Rush when he talks about the canadian medical system? He's so RIGHT an TRUTHFUL about everything else, ya right!
Jay Severin Has A Small Pen1s @ 32:
How dare he respond to her criticisms? Doesn't he know she has cancer?!?
TB @ 27:
I bet theres quite a few maimed and orphaned people alive out there today, due to McWarhero's 25 bombing missions.
McInsane 'Mmmm nothing like the smell of napalmed children in the morning'
Yep. I have to agreee
Rudy = 9-11
McCain = POW
John Doheny @ 13:
It's a con and in fact 65% of the population according to a 2004 Pew research favor higher taxes if it means government health care for all. The only people who don't want it is hardcore conservatives and the insurance and drug companies. http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?PageID=948
Speaking as someone who lived under the socialized medical system of the UK (albeit as a very young child), I realize that it has its share of drawbacks -- at least some of which, I imagine, can always be avoided for anyone who's willing to pay enough money. However, despite whatever drawbacks it may have, it has one positively huge advantage over our system as it currently stands -- you're guaranteed at least basic medical care. Increasingly, as growing numbers of Americans find themselves without medical insurance and avoid trips to the doctor for what may be necessary medical care because they know they simply can't afford it, that's not something that can be said about the United States -- and what does it say about the state of our country, one of the most prosperous in the world, when growing numbers of our people are forced to go without something as important as basic medical care for themselves and their loved ones? One thing it most definitely says -- we've started putting our priorities in the wrong damn place.
It was not that tough.
If you keep on him, he will go off.
Lt @ 37:
Exactly! It is as if these people wants to be best buds instead of Journalist.............WTF!
Brian @ 11:
add that to your lack of critical thinking skills, too!
"And I’ve discovered a “tell” on the part of McCain when he’s really painted into a corner, see if you can find it. "
His left eye starts twitching. You can see the suppressed rage just below the surface.
Gone InSane:
Fucking Liar! Nobody has any choice right now! Our choices are determined by greedy insurance companies, InSane!
What we want is a program that guarantees the funding for the care, so that we can make our own decisions about which doctors to see!
You lying fucking asshole!
i really hate to defend john mccain, but it sounded to me as if he was calling the comment he was making a cheap shot, not mrs. edward's comments.
Required @ 29:
It would cost a mere few 10s of billions to buy out all the Medical insurance companies, ie nationalize them.
everybody wins, shareholders get paid cash, US gets a ready made NHS bureaucracy and we all win.
It could be a phased in affair, if outright buying up is unpalatable, and would cost a fraction of the 'GWOT' or any of the other GlWa crap that the Feds play at and line theirs and their friends pockets with.
Karen @ 48:
crude and rude BUT to the point and very true, sums up McCain perfectly.
esdonkeyboy @ 38:
In Canada, accusing one's political opponent of wanting to introduce "American-style health insurance" is considered a 'cheap shot.'
It's below the belt. Like accusing the other guy of being a sheep-f**ker.
tuffy @ 47:
McCain needs to unleash his hidden demons (live on TV for shits and giggles), have a much needed stroke and go away.
A video of a comparison of U.S. and Canada's health care systems can be viewed here.
A bittorrent of the same video can be downloaded here.
"Governments don’t make the right decisions. Families make the right decisions. "
Of course, Stephanapolous lets this whopper pass right on by. This is the new Repub talking point.
Government doesn't make the right decision? Journalists need to start pointing out the inherent fallacy of this statement. This is the lie at the core of conservative thought. That government does wrong, always. It certainly does, when a conservative is running it. But when people who understand the difference between effective (progressive) and incompetant (conservative) goverenment get in control, government can and does make the right decisions.
What a crock of shit! From personal experience -- i.e., living in the US, Canada and now the UK, I can say that the UK health care system, while not without some flaws, works very well. And, the Canadian health system also works quite well -- again with some flaws, like wait times that are longer than they should be. But they beat the US system -- i.e., no health care unless you've got one of the cherry jobs. McCain has no credibility on this issue -- he is a govt hack, the husband of a multi-multi millionaire and he knows little about the lives of "real" americans. My hope is that the media will continue to needle him, the way they have recently begun to (belatedly), and that we will be exposed to the real McCain -- angry rich white male war-mongerer.
How about bringing up the total coverup by both you and your father of the attack by Israel on the USS Liberty? Would that be a cheap shot?
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/July2004/Hughes0712.htm
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/margolis12.html
We know who you sold your soul to, John, and why it is that Lieberman will be chosen as your running mate.
We know who you REALLY represent, John.
Traitor.
Radically Moderate @ 45:
MSM = definition : best buds and hotdog aficionados, as Tweety said of former aspiring 'Reagan' Thompson "mmmm smells manly"
they all go play regularly at the 'Bohemian Grove' summer camp, McBBQing and his cookouts for the MSM is just an extension of this fawning.
With free government-provided healthcare of course his shots are cheap.
So's his wife.
Americans don't need health INSURANCE.
They need health CARE.
Remove the layer that's adding all the cost and this nation CAN afford to care for its own.
Any discussion of heath CARE that ignores middle man, ignores THE PROBLEM.
Insurance doesn't save lives or prevent disease, health CARE does.
nony @ 60:
very correct
Why didn't he follow up with something logical
"Do you care to expound on what you mean by families make the right decisions?"
"Why wouldn't that happen under universal health care?"
"If what you mean is families get to choose their health care provider in our system, do you realize they usually don't have that option? Under the HMOs you choose from their list of physicians, not yours. Are you opposed to HMOs, Senator?"
"Why are you opposed to all Americans having access to the same quality of health care you receive? Isn't that rather unpatriotic or simply elitist (only warriors and the families of warriors or elected officials should have access to that level of health care earned because of their sacrifice)?
"You have plans to curb government spending. If we adopted Britain's system and achieved the same savings, we could take 7 percent of our GDP and spend it elsewhere. In a 10 trillion dollar economy that 700 billlion annually spent on energy independence, paying down the debt, or increasing the amount in Social Security and Medicare's Trust Funds. Are you opposed to decreasing government waste?"
ysbaddaden @ 59:
ROTFLMAO..........yeah, and she has lizard eyes too!
knud @ 8:
That has already happened under Bush. However, well said.
The way this election cycle is being manipulated is suggestive of what Hillary proclaimed many years ago: a vast right-wing conspiracy. Let's give her credit for that one.
I'm very fearful of 2008, and what is going to happen. If Grampa wins, I know that it will be a stolen election again, which will prove (to me, at least) that democracy is "not just merely dead, but really most sincerely dead."
If heath care is so bad in all those countries with "socialized" care why is the average life expectancy longer in every single one of those countries?
What's wrong with government health care?
McCain: "Governments don't make the right decisions; families make the right decisions."
Question Georgie Boy should have asked: "Well, Senator, are you saying that government failed to make, in your words, 'the right decisions' in Iraq? In the sub-prime lending situation? In the regulation of hedge funds? In the response to Hurricane Katrina? In the performance of the airline industry? If government, as you claim, Senator, made 'the right decisions' in Iraq, sub-prime lending, hedge funds, Hurricane Katrina's aftermath, and the airline industry, what specific aspects of government prohibit government from making 'the right decisions' in health insurance for Americans?"
Question Georgie Boy should have asked: "Senator, how can you justify the fact that 48 million of your fellow citizens in America, the wealthiest nation in the world, go without health insurance? Further, Senator, what justifies your health care coverage, paid in part by these 48 million Americans, and the health insurance of your fellow members of the Senate, House, executive, and judicial branches of government?"
Why didn't Georgie Boy ask these questions. Sean Hannity wouldn't let him.
Providing facts, reality, and the hard core truth is a "cheap shot"? Only in reich-wing world....
Here is the US economic challenges - as I see them. I dont see McCain as someone who will solve or move in a fundamental better way on a single one of these issues.
* You cant afford the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
* It is too expensive to get a good education. As a result, too few get a academic degree. Often not the most qualified (like Bush at Harvard).
* The most serious economic challenge is financing your social security in the future. Too many people will be dependent on it in the coming years.
* What do you produce? NAFTA (thanks Clinton) and WTO has shifted US jobs to first Mexico and South America, then China. It is difficult to compete with what is almost slave labor. They neglected to impose standards on imports. If state funding is an illegal competitive advantage, then so is putting people in jail that forms a union, having no environmental standards, etc. The lost jobs are mostly replaced by an expanding service sector. A guy filling up your car at the gas pump or a guy checking your bags at Wallmart doesnt really increase the export. It is a result of a class society.
* There is too many people in jail. Well, #1 at something.
* The US society have very little public transportation. Personal transportation is dependent on oil imports. You need to move in a energy sustainable direction, like solar and wind.
* The gap between poor and rich is waaay too big. Poor people have very little opportunities. It is quite sad that if you want to fulfill the American dream - to work your way to the top - then the first step is to move to a country where it is actually realistic.
* ....(sure I forgot a couple more)
If Hanoi John thinks families and not governments should make the choice about health care, why does he support government's decision to allow the operation of a prohibitively costly for profit system that devours 16% of GDP, is rising in cost faster than the increase in GDP, excludes millions of families now and will, as a matter or structural necessity, exclude millions more in the coming decades while rapidly increasing costs to those who remain insured?
Wow, any Dem should be able to beat this clown. He sounded so phony.
Families and individuals having to make choices between food, housing and paying for expensive (but shoddy and limited) health insurance.
Poor people cant afford HSA and food.
'Ok junior, shall we buy you some food this week or do you want your meds'
McCain is a faux shadow of that whacked out pilot in Independence Day, the movie vet bought food and meds for his kid,
McCain and HRC would have us choose either not both.
While McCain has no solution, Clinton and Obama aren't supporting single-payer health insurance (medicare for all). Instead of using the proven delivery system used by other countries, they propose some sort of corporate welfare system. I guess we are going to reinvent the wheel. Still, I suppose half-a-loaf is better than none.
No discussion of health care can be complete without a discussion of the incentives that the for-profit system creates, namely, the incentives for long-term maintenance regimes (good for corporate profits) and disincentives for cures (bad for corporate profits). The result is cost increases greater than the rate of inflation. The only way we can break the spiraling health care costs is to obtain a cure for cancer, or heart disease, or Alzheimer's disease, rather than just tethering these patients to long term costly regimes. I wonder if we can break away from the flag pin issue long enough to raise these concerns. Of course, you know the answer our corporate media has for that - nope!!! There's a reason why the pharmaceuticals sponsor the nightly news.
knud @ 8:
Canada will build a border fence, and pull their troops out of Afghanistan to keep poor, desperate and bitter Americans out.
When campaigning for GE starts, McCain may giggle himself to death.
Here's an interesting write up on his war hero days:
http://www.wcltam.com/news/special/articledetail.cfm?articleid=23261
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Radically Moderate @ 63:
I would've said racoon.
nony @ 60:
Very well said, which is why so many Americans still do not realize that both Clinton and Obama have left the insurance companies in the equation, thus placing profit over the needs of the people, while Ralph Nader's plan eliminates the insurance companies and advocates instead a single payer health care system.
cheap shot??? why mcfeeble, cuz its true????
oh, and lets bring up the fact that you were a pow again
and no, these arent tuff questions
lets ask him about his character
hey senator, why dont you tell us about how you were bangin your current wife while still married to your first
your first, who while you were in captivity took care of your children and didnt fuck around
fucking hypocrite
McCain has had his own cancer issues in the recent past all of which were paid for by the taxpayer. If he had to deal with them like the rest of us who have limited or no health insurance and have to pay our own escalating premiums and shrinking coverage,then his financial situation and possibly his attitude would be quite a bit different.
When the Executive Branch,Legislative Branch,and Judiciary are stripped of the current health care coverage that they have,then,and ONLY then will we have real health care reform in this country.
John Edwards actually dared to mention that idea during the campaign and he is no longer in the race.
Mark @ 66: