Patriots obey the law and the constitution.

I like to put them on in the background while I work at the desk. Cenk is one of the voices raging against the machine. No one’s perfect, but he gets an A+ for effort. Thanks Cenk.

I’ve listen to Cenk Uygur before - he’s an ass hat.

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R E M E M B E R:
THEY(sic) HATE US FOR OUR FREEDOMS…
And so THEY(sic) argue and debate the merits to undermining those very Freedoms.

It’s not torture when…
It’s not warrantless wiretapping when…
It’s not suppression of speech when…
It’s not a religious test when…

McTorture believes that protecting the “HOMELAND” outweighs the future of America.

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more insightful campaign strategy from the young turks is here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcxK3YH3Mjk

i watch TYT almost everyday. its a great show thats worth subscribing to.

listen up major networks!!!! GIVE THIS GUY A SHOW!

Cenk is the best.

Can you link him to Kevin Bacon?

McCain = S&L Meltdown
McCain = S&L Meltdown
McCain = S&L Meltdown
McCain = S&L Meltdown
McCain = S&L Meltdown
McCain = S&L Meltdown
McCain = S&L Meltdown
McCain = S&L Meltdown
McCain = S&L Meltdown

McCain = Charles Keating
McCain = Charles Keating
McCain = Charles Keating
McCain = Charles Keating
McCain = Charles Keating
McCain = Charles Keating
McCain = Charles Keating
McCain = Charles Keating

How ’bout Canadian bacon?

Or maybe just somebody Canadian?

My God! Obama’s really *from Canada*!!!

OT: Just read an article in the LA Times, published today, indicating that we
have just obtained clear, hard evidence that Iran is supplying weapons to Iraq
militants in their fight against us. Yet, the article says that “the decision as to when and how to release this information is being left up to the Iraq Goverment.”
WTF? IF this is true, why is it that the U.S. is not taking this directly to the UN
and/or sharing this “hard” evidence with the rest of the World? Makes absolutely
no sense to me….UNLESS, of course, such is just another example of our(US’s)
practice of putting out inaccurace and/or erroreous information.

all i know is, the people that call themselves patriots, are the people that i want nothing to do with.

TYT is cool, yeah. he got frustrated with obama for appearing on FOX News and for letting chris wallace get away with asking slanted questions and i thought the suggestions cenk made were good, but i keep going back and forth on that — i just appreciate that obama seems to refuse to play this gotcha politics game and cenk seems to want him to go on the attack and i sorta want to see him go on the offense too but at the same time i do think that if the country can’t pull itself out of the gutter, well… we get the government we deserve.

I seem to remember Obama saying he would welcome a debate on patriotism. But so far I don’t know that anyone has taken him up on it…

He makes some good points. Especially when he talks about how Rovian tactics are being used against Obama.

Hopefully Obama’s speech today will chill the flaming embers under the 24/7 talking heads blistering him about Rev. Wright. He said all he could today to separate himself from the more bizarre things Rev Wright has said. He called Rev Wright’s appearance before the Nat’l Press Club yesterday a “performance”. I watched Rev Wright yesterday with an open mind and came away feeling the same way. His speech was interesting as it was about the history of black religion. But when it got to the Q&A part, Wright seemed to try too hard to be too clever.

Patriotism is something that comes from the heart and what you believe your country can do for its people. When it comes down to just a symbol like a flag pin, you realize it has been terribly degraded.

Doggiebobo @ 12:

OT: Just read an article in the LA Times, published today, indicating that we
have just obtained clear, hard evidence that Iran is supplying weapons to Iraq
militants in their fight against us. Yet, the article says that “the decision as to when and how to release this information is being left up to the Iraq Goverment.”
WTF? IF this is true, why is it that the U.S. is not taking this directly to the UN
and/or sharing this “hard” evidence with the rest of the World? Makes absolutely
no sense to me….UNLESS, of course, such is just another example of our(US’s)
practice of putting out inaccurace and/or erroreous information.

Or “using” the Iraqis to hide behind as we prepare to strike Iran. When the Iraqis go to the UN and say they feel Iran is a threat, it will pad bush and cheney’s case.

The game won’t catch on, because Obama won’t be around much longer.

He’ll be lucky to keep his Senate seat.

Wearing patriotism on the sleeve used to be a joke. All of the villains on MASH were hyper-patriots who loudly proclaimed what great americans they were. For some reason shooting your mouth off has since become a virtue to some.

I had never heard this guy speak before. He comes off as a jerk

It would be good for people to remember that only about 55% of eligible citizens in the US bother to vote. Of those people only about 40% follow politics enough to even know the names of their Representative in congress, Senators, and President and Vice President. Of those people only about 48% agree with your party. So those of you who not vote for a Democrat or a Republican barley represent 1% of the population. So stop your thinking that there are a lot of people in the general population agree with you.

The word “debate” is overused these days.

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Questioning peoples patriotism is an old Republican weapon. The irony is that Bush and fellow Repugs( McCain too) want to deny them the tools for a better education. Tell me. Who is more patriotic?

Oklahoma City terrorist Tim McVeigh and Atlanta Olympics terrorist Eric Rudolph were both card-carrying RPUBLICANS.

John McSame is a REPUBLICAN ….

Hmmmmmm !!!

McSame’s gonna have to explain why he endorses terrorism right here in America and why he choses to join organizations that harbor KNOWN terrorists.

And why does he hate America so much ?

Is that Panama-flag lapel pin on his flack jacket ?

We need to get CNN to change their call letters to TRWC — ALL WRIGHT, ALL THE TIME or something like that. Seriously, every time I turn on the TV they are blathering about Wright.

Geraldo @ 26:

We need to get CNN to change their call letters to TRWC — ALL WRIGHT, ALL THE TIME or something like that. Seriously, every time I turn on the TV they are blathering about Wright.

It’s the white fear button. They will push it until they get McCain elected.

The more the Repugs talk about Rev. Wright the more Americans will say to themselves …”WTF does this have to do with our piece of shit economy or the friggin war in Iraq ?!?!?!”

Despite all the mudslinging, both Hillary and Obama have moved up in recent polls against McSame. ‘Bad Publicity’ isn’t always “bad”.

It’s only going to take a week or 2 of ads pointing out McSame’s flip flops and incompetence before he drops so low even UTAH wont vote for him.

Patriotism,literally love of the Fatherland from the Latin “patria”.America is a Patriarchy of an increasingly Nationalist and Authoritarian strain,in which the cold clear light of truth must take a back seat to Jingoism.
Of course much–but not all– of what Reverend Wright has had to say is the truth.
The truth is not permitted to tarnish patriotic fervor in America.

Re: what Cenk Uygur said. Exactly, ‘nuf said!

Rusty @ 27,

They are gonna be pushin’ that button an awful long time!

Patriotism is overrated. Ask Mark Twain.

“The soul and substance
of what customarily ranks
as patriotism
is moral cowardice
and always has been.”
- Mark Twain, 1908

yeah, even after mccain gets elected (if he does) they’ll have to keep pushing the race and fear buttons to distract attention from the four more years of delicious, chocolatey failure mccain’s gonna give us.

myiq2xu @18 Says: The game won’t catch on, because Obama won’t be around much longer.

He’ll be lucky to keep his Senate seat.

What a prediction..Hey miss cleo how can you be so sure? Did you peer into your crystal ball to see the future or just dig up your ass to come up with your prediction?

Here’s my Idea for obama , Because I believe his campaign and presidential hopes are sinking fast and he needs to change gears real fast and not rely on his past successes .

A. He needs to understand the massive smear campaign started by Hannity; fox and the rest of cable and address it head on . Not polite little senatorial discussions with Wallace , that plays on their turf and plays their game .

B. I would hold a rally or town hall and invite only CONSERVATIVES . I would lay down the ground rules and present the facts of his service to his community and his plans for the future and then take on questions, pointing out that the guilt by association campaign is serving nobody’s needs , that FOx for example is doing a disservice to their viewers by ignoring more important issues . Divide and conquer , they do it every day . Any way , that’s my crazy idea , for what ever its worth .

i wouldn’t worry about the nth prediction of obama’s campaign being “done.” folks have been trying to stick a fork in him for about six months.

kahoneez: that’s good advice. although i dont think his campaign is sinking. the wright thing will turn out to be a minor irritation, six months from now folks will be sick of hearing about it and the republicans will have a hard time making any more hay out of it.

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“I question Barack’s patriotism” = “I’m not gonna vote for a black guy”

Sooo… Sixty Million Plus are going to vote for McSame? Not gonna happen. BHO’08

Wes Clark For VP. The Obvious Choice.

I find it interesting to hear all these people who all of sudden are writing Obama off. I suspect these people watch alot of the talking heads on the boob tube. Most people that I come in contact with are not swayed by all the bullshit you hear from Tweety and the rest of the gang. People I know who have voted for Obama know why they voted for him and it had nothing to do with Rev Wright, flag pins, 60’s radicals or any of the other crap you see on the boob tube 24/7. Obamas support has been grassroots support from the bottom up. The msm is trying as hard as it can to sway people away from Obama, because they are the elite power brokers and this black man scares the hell out of them. Lets hope they don’t succeed.

Everyone and their brother wants to give advice to Obama at this point, but this is actually a good one. And face it, if Obama can’t get past this he wouldn’t have made a good president anyway, so it’s no real loss. The way I see it, the presidential campaign is the testing ground for how well the candidate will sell the public on his or her policies and how well s/he will navigate the inevitable political barriers. FDR was a brilliant politician who knew how to use the media, and he used politics to a) get elected and b) get his good policies to work. That’s the kind of Democrat the country needs, and if Obama is going to get sunk on this slew of attacks, too bad. If a presidential candidate can’t field asinine political attacks during his campaign and have the conversation on his terms, he does not magically turn around to become a president who can turn the conversation to universal health care, getting out of Iraq, making the U.S. more secure, and repairing all the damage the Bush administration has done.

In the interests of full disclosure, I have contributed to the Obama campaign and am keeping my fingers crossed that he will pass the test. Because what we’ve seen so far ain’t nothing yet compared to what will come if he attempts half the things he said he will achieve in office. If he can’t be a good politician, he’ll make a toothless president at best even if he does get nominated and elected somehow.

Two weeks ago (and prior) people were clamoring for Hillary to quit. Obama’s still ahead, can’t lose his lead in the delegate count, yet all I’m hearing now is that Obama should step aside.

Puh-leeze.

I don’t know, but Cenk looks a lot like JA.

Cenk is right on time, please send a copy to Sen. Obama, asap, this way Sen. Obama will know we are on his side. There are plenty of good US citizens; a hell of a lot more than repugs say.

I enjoy the way Sen. Obama elevates his conversations because everyone isn’t a flaming yokel.

Yep, repugs even politicized public men’s rooms.
People’s faiths
roasted turkeys.
They are whores.
All they know is gimme and snatching.

Go Obama!
Go USA!
Go Cenk!

DudeDad @ 3:

I’ve listen to Cenk Uygur before - he’s an ass hat.

Why? Could it be the truth hurts or because he looks better than you?

repugs you know your vile days are numbered.

Doggiebobo @ 12:

OT: Just read an article in the LA Times, published today, indicating that we
have just obtained clear, hard evidence that Iran is supplying weapons to Iraq
militants in their fight against us. Yet, the article says that “the decision as to when and how to release this information is being left up to the Iraq Goverment.”
WTF? IF this is true, why is it that the U.S. is not taking this directly to the UN
and/or sharing this “hard” evidence with the rest of the World? Makes absolutely
no sense to me….UNLESS, of course, such is just another example of our(US’s)
practice of putting out inaccurace and/or erroreous information.

Why would it matter any way? chimpy is supplying weapons to our “enemy.”
What happened to the weapons that were sold stolen? chimpy has supplied Iraq with enough ammo to last a 100 years.

What are the Iraqis and Iranians suppose to do? Not defend their land?

It’s another stupid turdism. It smells like shit.

Patriotic is starting an invasion using shock and awe.

Patriotic is not going after the “enemy.”

Patriotic is dancing while our finest dies.

Patriotic is stacking the deck.

Patriotic is a fakeass cowboy.

Patriotic is using our dead soldiers as a prop for a good laugh.

Patriotic is lying.

Patriotic is using a government funded militia.

Patriotic is making laws on the fly.

Patriotic is using threats against the people of the US to cover-up crime.

myiq2xu @ 18:

The game won’t catch on, because Obama won’t be around much longer.

He’ll be lucky to keep his Senate seat.

Phew, I’m glad y’all are in the minority.

Nawh, mcc will be lucky to still be walking.

Uygur is headed in the right direction but flat out claiming that Obama is more patriotic than McCain plays into the hands of the right who will say that Obama is calling McCain unpatriotic. Of course, that doesn’t make perfect logical sense but neither did the ads morphing Max Cleland into Saddam Hussein or calling John Kerry’s military service into question. Those tactics worked anyway because Republicans are masters at turning opponents who are solid citizens into weirdos, creeps and liars in the public imagination.

What Obama could do is acknowledge McCain’s undoubted patriotism as a navy pilot but point out that there are other kinds of patriotism more appropriate to running a country: types of patriotism where it is Obama who is strong and McCain weak. Wanting every American to have access to decent, affordable healthcare is patriotic even though McCain is against it. Wanting responsible fiscal management so that our economy remains strong is patriotic even though McCain has no real plan or, seemingly, even desire to knock down our obscene debt, which he and the Republicans have been selling to the communist Chinese. Wanting America to achieve power by restoring our moral standing, rather than losing power by acting like a global bully, is patriotic. Taxing people fairly is patriotic rather than making the middle class pay a higher rate than the rich is patriotic even though McCain wants to make Bush’s tax cuts, and which are responsible for the debt the Chinese are buying, permanent. There are a lot of places where John McCain is simply not as much of a patriots than Obama. His past patriotism deserves honor. But it’s the future we’ve got to worry about.

diamondmc @ 40:

I find it interesting to hear all these people who all of sudden are writing Obama off. I suspect these people watch alot of the talking heads on the boob tube. Most people that I come in contact with are not swayed by all the bullshit you hear from Tweety and the rest of the gang. People I know who have voted for Obama know why they voted for him and it had nothing to do with Rev Wright, flag pins, 60’s radicals or any of the other crap you see on the boob tube 24/7. Obamas support has been grassroots support from the bottom up. The msm is trying as hard as it can to sway people away from Obama, because they are the elite power brokers and this black man scares the hell out of them. Lets hope they don’t succeed.

Exacty!

They won’t succeed. Voting for mcc is voting to send the next 5 generations off to die.

repugs’ dirty tactics + the dems’ apathy.

EQUALS

chimpy’s world

I don’t mean to be critical here, but why are Americans so rabidly nationalistic? It seems as though there is this semantic debate over what patriotism means. The Democratic candidates argue that patriotism means supporting the troops, while Republicans claim you should just unflinchingly give your support to Bush. Can anyone explain to me why nationalism is still so salient in America while most other parts of the western world are post-nationalistic in a sense? There aren’t any debates here in Canada, for instance, about politicians wearing flags or their religion.